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Oughttabeworking · Regular

EBOLA: Man dies on flight from Africa After vomiting

Oughttabeworking · Regular

From what I read, he was vomiting "profusely", they did a cursory check of the body and declared that it wasn't Ebola, without the conducting the actual Ebola tests, then released the body. Seriously? WTF?!?

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

I seriously question the competency of the CDC. It takes HOURS to run that test. 45 minutes, just no.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Believe me I completely understand the need for all cautions to be taken.

At the same time I do not want every sick person causing panic.

Heart attacks can cause vomiting.

I still think the ONLY way to keep more of these panic situations from happening is to STOP incoming flights from Africa unless they have been quarantined for the 21 days BEFORE travel.

FNW · Guru

And now someone who recently visited Africa just threw up on a bus at the Pentagon and they are testing her.

JPT · Senior Member

On average, 36,000 people in the US die from influenza per year. Influenza is highly contagious, spreading by airborne transmission. There is an effective and cheap vaccine widely available, and only about 40% of those who should get it do get it.

So far we have freaked out about ONE ebola death in the US....just sayin'

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

If we are going to freak out every time some one throws up, this flu season is going to suck.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

JPT wrote:
On average, 36,000 people in the US die from influenza per year. Influenza is highly contagious, spreading by airborne transmission. There is an effective and cheap vaccine widely available, and only about 40% of those who should get it do get it.

So far we have freaked out about ONE ebola death in the US....just sayin'

The difference is the flu does not have a 50% death rate. Ebola does.

But we are going to get the flu shot this year. Simply because I don't want to take the chance of ending up in an ER next to someone with Ebola.

JPT · Senior Member

lilyofcourse wrote:
JPT wrote:
On average, 36,000 people in the US die from influenza per year. Influenza is highly contagious, spreading by airborne transmission. There is an effective and cheap vaccine widely available, and only about 40% of those who should get it do get it.

So far we have freaked out about ONE ebola death in the US....just sayin'
The difference is the flu does not have a 50% death rate. Ebola does.
But we are going to get the flu shot this year. Simply because I don't want to take the chance of ending up in an ER next to someone with Ebola.

Among Americans who have gotten prompt treatment in US based hospitals, the death rate has been...0% With early intervention, supportive therapies, and in some cases, antibody treatment, all have survived.

VoiceOfReason · Guru

this is a fear mongering headline. Shameful.

I wonder how many people will be disappointed when NO AMERICAN dies of ebola?

It's to the point that it just sounds like wah wah wah wah wah....you know, like Charlie Browns teacher. wah wah wah wah wah.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

JPT wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
JPT wrote:
On average, 36,000 people in the US die from influenza per year. Influenza is highly contagious, spreading by airborne transmission. There is an effective and cheap vaccine widely available, and only about 40% of those who should get it do get it.

So far we have freaked out about ONE ebola death in the US....just sayin'
The difference is the flu does not have a 50% death rate. Ebola does.
But we are going to get the flu shot this year. Simply because I don't want to take the chance of ending up in an ER next to someone with Ebola.

Among Americans who have gotten prompt treatment in US based hospitals, the death rate has been...0% With early intervention, supportive therapies, and in some cases, antibody treatment, all have survived.

All 2 so far. The other 2 are still pending.

JPT · Senior Member

So far their conditions are reported to be "good" or stable. Don't forget that the newsman is also recovering

The main cause of ebola deaths in Africa is from dehydration. IV therapies are hard to come by, and among those that can get those therapies in a timely fashion, they are surviving. The high death rate there is either because 1. family members either can't or are afraid to bring their infected family members to a hospital, or 2. there aren't enough beds to treat in the endemic areas.

US military is over there building facilities to treat ebola patients, increasing the factor of beds available by 20 fold.

Back in the turn of the century (19th) here in the US, infant mortality was tragically high, due to what my late grandmother (a nurse) used to call "summer complaint" Dysentery. Without IV hydration, babies and kids died by the thousands. Add water treatment and IV therapies...and that goes away.

Kind of telling that the family members that were living in the apt with Mr. Duncan (who passed away) for days while he was there with severe symptoms, and for days after in contaminated conditions haven't come down with any symptoms, and they are just a day or two away from the three week incubation period cutoff.

VoiceOfReason · Guru

JPT wrote:
So far their conditions are reported to be "good" or stable. Don't forget that the newsman is also recovering

The main cause of ebola deaths in Africa is from dehydration. IV therapies are hard to come by, and among those that can get those therapies in a timely fashion, they are surviving. The high death rate there is either because 1. family members either can't or are afraid to bring their infected family members to a hospital, or 2. there aren't enough beds to treat in the endemic areas.

US military is over there building facilities to treat ebola patients, increasing the factor of beds available by 20 fold.

Back in the turn of the century (19th) here in the US, infant mortality was tragically high, due to what my late grandmother (a nurse) used to call "summer complaint" Dysentery. Without IV hydration, babies and kids died by the thousands. Add water treatment and IV therapies...and that goes away.

Kind of telling that the family members that were living in the apt with Mr. Duncan (who passed away) for days while he was there with severe symptoms, and for days after in contaminated conditions haven't come down with any symptoms, and they are just a day or two away from the three week incubation period cutoff.

This this this. It absolutely boggles me that people don't get this. That man ****, puked and sweat all over that apartment....and not one of those people have become symptomatic.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I don't care. I am not willing to take unnecessary risks with my family.

JPT · Senior Member

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VoiceOfReason · Guru

People take unnecessary risks with their families every day.

You're choosing not to take this particular risk but I'm fairly certain you take others.

For example - driving in less than ideal situations, speeding, passing on a two lane road when there really isn't anywhere you need to be, using tampons instead of pads. All are rather unnecessary risks. But we choose to take them.

I respect your right to not want to take this unnecessary risk though. It's your right to be fearful.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I don't know what that is supposed to be.

But I really doubt any of you would sit down next to someone sweating and obviously sick on a park bench, in a waiting room or anywhere else. And that is without this Ebola crap. So don't act like you would be immune to avoiding it now just to prove a point.

If your neighbor tested positive I bet you would be worried about it.

ed11563 · Guru

If IV infusions are necessary to treat Ebola and flu,

keep in mind that there is a severe shortage of IV solutions in the United States right now.

(details on request).

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

Yep, there has been a shortage for months!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

VoiceOfReason wrote:
tworld woulfear mongering headline. Shameful.

I wonder how many people will be disappointed when NO AMERICAN dies of ebola?

It's to the point that it just sounds like wah wah wah wah wah....you know, like Charlie Browns teacher. wah wah wah wah wah.

Fear mongering? The worldwide Mortality rate is 70%.

VoiceOfReason · Guru

Gaga - few people are worried about the Worldwide Mortality rate. They're convinced that the sky directly above the United States is falling.

The mortality rate for Americans in American hospitals is 0.

VoiceOfReason · Guru

And that headline was fear mongering.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So u would rather take a What Me Worry approach?

huskerbb · Guru

VoiceOfReason wrote:
Gaga - few people are worried about the Worldwide Mortality rate. They're convinced that the sky directly above the United States is falling.

The mortality rate for Americans in American hospitals is 0.

But a BIG part of that is because until a few short weeks ago--that disease was not here.

AIDS didn't kill anyone in the U.S., either--until it did.

A person has died from it in an American hospital, as well. Are you saying he didn't get the same care a U.S. citizen would have?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yeah nobody died of anything , until they did.

VoiceOfReason · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So u would rather take a What Me Worry approach?

I'm kind of subscribing to that actually. I am not worried. I'm just not.

Now, if I were licking sick people, getting vomit in my eye or playing in ebola laden feces, well, I might be worried. But right now? No. I'm taking the What Me Worry? approach.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

WHO reported the 70 % mortality rate. But they are just a bunch if fear mongers cuz 30% lived.

JPT · Senior Member

According to the latest WHO estimates, there were about 219 million cases of malaria in 2010 and an
estimated 660 000 deaths. Africa is the most affected continent: about 90% of all malaria deaths occur
there.

So, where are the headlines warning the US about malaria? I'm sure there are people here who carry malaria in their blood (and could possibly infect others via mosquito transmission).

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

There aren't a lot of mosquitos in Pa in the winter.

VoiceOfReason · Guru

There's not a lot of Ebola in Pa either hon, but you're worried about that! lol.

JPT · Senior Member

huskerbb wrote:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
Gaga - few people are worried about the Worldwide Mortality rate. They're convinced that the sky directly above the United States is falling.

The mortality rate for Americans in American hospitals is 0.

But a BIG part of that is because until a few short weeks ago--that disease was not here.

AIDS didn't kill anyone in the U.S., either--until it did.

A person has died from it in an American hospital, as well. Are you saying he didn't get the same care a U.S. citizen would have?

Sadly, no he didn't. He was sent home with antibiotics the first time he went to the ER. TIt was two more days before he was admitted after that first visit. Four days he suffered with no treatment other than the useless antibiotics. Yeah, if he had the same early intervention that others here had, he'd probably have lived.

huskerbb · Guru

JPT wrote:
According to the latest WHO estimates, there were about 219 million cases of malaria in 2010 and an
estimated 660 000 deaths. Africa is the most affected continent: about 90% of all malaria deaths occur
there.

So, where are the headlines warning the US about malaria? I'm sure there are people here who carry malaria in their blood (and could possibly infect others via mosquito transmission).

That is isn't nearly as high of a mortality rate.

However, don't get me started on malaria. Malaria deaths were on the downswing until merchant of death Rachel Carson wrote a book WHOLLY UNSUBSTANTIATED by any science that ended the use of DDT as an insecticide to fight malaria (by killing mosquitoes). She is responsible for MILLIONS of deaths since that book came out. She makes Hitler look like a rank amateur in the killing department.

huskerbb · Guru

JPT wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
Gaga - few people are worried about the Worldwide Mortality rate. They're convinced that the sky directly above the United States is falling.

The mortality rate for Americans in American hospitals is 0.

But a BIG part of that is because until a few short weeks ago--that disease was not here.

AIDS didn't kill anyone in the U.S., either--until it did.

A person has died from it in an American hospital, as well. Are you saying he didn't get the same care a U.S. citizen would have?
Sadly, no he didn't. He was sent home with antibiotics the first time he went to the ER. TIt was two more days before he was admitted after that first visit. Four days he suffered with no treatment other than the useless antibiotics. Yeah, if he had the same early intervention that others here had, he'd probably have lived.

We don't know a U.S. citizen would have been treated any differently if they had been the first one to go into a hospital wholly unfamiliar with the disease. That hospital was unprepared for it--as are probably 99% of all hospitals in this country.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

VoiceOfReason wrote:
There's not a lot of Ebola in Pa either hon, but you're worried about that! lol.

There are reports coming from Ohio. Look at the map.

JPT · Senior Member

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VoiceOfReason · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
There's not a lot of Ebola in Pa either hon, but you're worried about that! lol.
There are reports coming from Ohio. Look at the map.

There isn't one person in Ohio with Ebola.

Our family lives there, we're moving there, and I'm still not worried about Ebola.

You have a **** ton of other legitimate stuff to be worried about Ebola isn't one of them.

But you do look really attractive in that tin foil hat.... smile

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Except its a real threat that has killed 4500 including 236 healthcare workers.

BTW trying to imply that people are crazy or something for having concern is really ignorant.

VoiceOfReason · Guru

I don't think people are crazy. I think they're buying into irresponsible reporting. And that makes me sad for people. Because this has turned smart people into chicken littles.

Shepard Smith on Fox news said he's disgusted with his fellow journalists (although I use that descriptor very loosely). He thinks they're fear mongering as well. And that's fox news.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Did any of us say we built bomb shelters? No. But I think it makes sense topay attention to the news. I live in rural Pa so yes I would assume my risk is low. But just because it might not come here doesn't mean I shouldn't care about people living near international airport or areas where this could spread.

VoiceOfReason · Guru

And I'm sorry if you feel like I was calling you crazy. There's a lot of stuff you post that makes me think you're crazy, but this isn't of them! smile

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

And it makes far more sense to try to contain initial cases and let doctors learn about it than let it spread and then try to figure it out.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

ed11563 wrote:
If IV infusions are necessary to treat Ebola and flu,
keep in mind that there is a severe shortage of IV solutions in the United States right now.

(details on request).

Seriously? I have a dozen bags of lactated ringers (plus the odd bottle or two) plus hypertonic saline in the cupboard. . . I know the bags are human grade--it says so right on it. Not sure about the bottles.
They were easy to get. What is there a shortage of, and why?

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

There has been a shortage of normal saline for quite some time. Makes no sense to me. It's easy to make. They just can't keep up.

Squeakers · Regular

Because fluids are used for practically everything, and the flu season is getting worse every year. Hydration is the go to treatment for flu. I also think there were some problems with manufacturers.

Ilumine · Regular

JPT wrote:
On average, 36,000 people in the US die from influenza per year. Influenza is highly contagious, spreading by airborne transmission. There is an effective and cheap vaccine widely available, and only about 40% of those who should get it do get it.

So far we have freaked out about ONE ebola death in the US....just sayin'

And this is a good thing BECAUSE we are woefully unprepared for ANY TYPE of pandemic. We are so focused on Ebola - be it the "sky is falling downers" to the "I'm too cool by not being worrieders" that we are only just NOW (months in) looking at our response teams.

If we did get a Super Flu, one like the Influenza of 1918, our hospitals seem to be NO MORE ON THE BALL to handle the sick as the hospitals of yesteryear.

And given the fact that our nation is a bunch of sheep that follow dumb blond C actresses who spout medical nonsense, we have more and more people unprepared for some of the other fun diseases like Polio (which has not been eradicated).

So while it IS harder to catch Ebola (but particle transfer is not out of the question, just airborne - which is inhaling expressed particles while they are still in the air) that does not mean that this mass hysteria isn't a blessing IF AND ONLY IF WE USE IT PROPERLY.

That means not creating yet another CZAR, but having our already in place organizations find their holes and create better/stronger protocols.

Ilumine · Regular

JPT wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
Gaga - few people are worried about the Worldwide Mortality rate. They're convinced that the sky directly above the United States is falling.

The mortality rate for Americans in American hospitals is 0.

But a BIG part of that is because until a few short weeks ago--that disease was not here.

AIDS didn't kill anyone in the U.S., either--until it did.

A person has died from it in an American hospital, as well. Are you saying he didn't get the same care a U.S. citizen would have?
Sadly, no he didn't. He was sent home with antibiotics the first time he went to the ER. TIt was two more days before he was admitted after that first visit. Four days he suffered with no treatment other than the useless antibiotics. Yeah, if he had the same early intervention that others here had, he'd probably have lived.

That is because he LIED about where he was and who/what he had come into contact with. He also lied about where he was from and who/what he had come into contact with when he entered the US.

I am not a fear monger. I am not worried that the guy coughing or sweating next to me (even a black man) has Ebola. But it is NOT a difficult stretch to recognize that if ONE person would lie to come to the US or travel before being symptomatic but after exposure, then others would.

OH WAIT....that DID happen with Nurse #2. Who then in turn flew home symptomatic. And since it IS true that not everyone who is contagious shows each of the symptoms (nvomiting, diarrhea, sweating, lethargy or fever) being extra cognizant is better than being blasé.

Again, I do not think the sky is falling, but I do think figuring out how to deal with an outbreak/pandemic is not a bad thing either.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Ilumine wrote:
JPT wrote:
On average, 36,000 people in the US die from influenza per year. Influenza is highly contagious, spreading by airborne transmission. There is an effective and cheap vaccine widely available, and only about 40% of those who should get it do get it.

So far we have freaked out about ONE ebola death in the US....just sayin'
And this is a good thing BECAUSE we are woefully unprepared for ANY TYPE of pandemic. We are so focused on Ebola - be it the "sky is falling downers" to the "I'm too cool by not being worrieders" that we are only just NOW (months in) looking at our response teams.
If we did get a Super Flu, one like the Influenza of 1918, our hospitals seem to be NO MORE ON THE BALL to handle the sick as the hospitals of yesteryear.
And given the fact that our nation is a bunch of sheep that follow dumb blond C actresses who spout medical nonsense, we have more and more people unprepared for some of the other fun diseases like Polio (which has not been eradicated).
So while it IS harder to catch Ebola (but particle transfer is not out of the question, just airborne - which is inhaling expressed particles while they are still in the air) that does not mean that this mass hysteria isn't a blessing IF AND ONLY IF WE USE IT PROPERLY.
That means not creating yet another CZAR, but having our already in place organizations find their holes and create better/stronger protocols.

Yeah a Czar. We need more Czars. NOT. Don't we have a Surgeon General BTW? Whatever happened to that?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

So, this thing just got to American soil, and has only killed 1 person. I guess the more that 4000 in Africa INCLUDING over 230 healthcare workers mean nothing.

Also - the FLU kills the already compromised, ebola can kill anyone.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes, Ebola ravages healthy people with a very high mortality rate. I think it's called "Learning from history". The bubonic plague killed 1/3 of the entire population of the planet. Even wars haven't done that. So yeah, I kind of think it behooves us to pay attention. Sheesh.

Do I think I will get Ebola or am somehow cowering in fear here? No, I am going about living my life. But I certainly would like to see that the Health care system and Public Health is going to get a handle on this. And, I would like to see a POTUS who isn't such an lazy idiot who only seems to care about his own self interests.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

VoiceOfReason wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So u would rather take a What Me Worry approach?
I'm kind of subscribing to that actually. I am not worried. I'm just not.
Now, if I were licking sick people, getting vomit in my eye or playing in ebola laden feces, well, I might be worried. But right now? No. I'm taking the What Me Worry? approach.

Will you lick me the next time I get sick?

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flan