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9 Reasons We Should Abolish Tipping, Once And For All

Posted: 10/17/2014 8:55 am EDT Updated: 10/17/2014 12:59 pm EDT

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Tipping is a strange, self-defeating phenomenon. The practice as we know it today has come to negate the very reason it exists: What started out as a reward for exceptional service has now become compulsory. "Tipping starts with people wanting to be generous, or to show off, but then it becomes something where people just do it because it's expected of them," says Michael Lynn, a professor of consumer behavior and marketing at Cornell University who has written more than 50 research papers on tipping. When we tip, we are essentially buying the right to avoid disapproval and guilt -- a uniquely first-world problem.

Still, tipping is a huge thing, accounting for around $44 billion in the U.S. food industry alone, according to the economist Ofer Azar. Polls show that Americans love to tip. "People like the power," says Sage Bierster, a waiter friend of mine who's been in the business for more than six years. But tipping brings with it a welter of problems: It's costly for taxpayers, it's often arbitrary (and even discriminatory) and it contributes to poverty among the waiters and waitresses who must grovel for our change to earn their living.

That's why I'm proposing that we abolish tipping. Just get rid of it entirely. Here are nine reasons to ban the begging bowls once and for all:

1. It Pushes Waiters Into Poverty (And Helps Keep Them There)

In most states, restaurants are allowed to pay waiters far less than the minimum wage. The federal rate for servers in the U.S. is just $2.13 an hour, and in 19 states, that's what servers make. Each state, though, has leeway to set a higher wage for servers. Twenty-four states have voluntarily raised servers' minimum wage above $2.13 an hour, and seven states have gone as far as requiring servers to be paid the same minimum wage as everyone else.

This is a great system for the restaurant industry, because it lets businesses pay less than the minimum wage in almost every state. But it contributes to poverty among the waiters and waitresses who toil in diners and other inexpensive restaurants across the country. (Servers in higher-end places tend to earn a livable wage.) In fact, servers are nearly three times as likely as other workers to experience poverty, according to a March 2014 report from the National Economic Council, the U.S. Department of Labor and others.

Tipped workers and their families often depend on welfare programs to survive -- and they do so at significantly higher rates than non-tipped workers, according to a 2014 report from the Economic Policy Institute, a think tank focused on labor issues. "Tipped workers are heavily reliant on public subsidies to help make ends meet," said Sylvia Allegretto, a research economist at the University of California, Berkeley and a former waitress, who co-authored the report. "Who helps them bridge the gap? Taxpayers."

2. Servers Make Less Per Hour Than They Used To...

The "tipped minimum wage," which is the amount servers make per hour (not counting their tips), was established in 1966 by the federal Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA). Prior to 1966, there was no standard rate for servers and other workers who earned tips, like hotel workers. The FLSA established that the tipped minimum wage had to be no less than 50 percent of the regular minimum wage. That way, when the regular minimum wage increased, the tipped minimum wage would automatically increase along with it.

But in 1996, that changed. Under pressure from the restaurant lobby (led at the time by fast-food mogul Herman Cain), the Clinton administration decoupled the tipped minimum wage from the regular minimum wage. As a result, because of inflation, the value of the tipped minimum wage has steadily fallen over the years, as this chart from the Department of Labor report shows:

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The current federal tipped minimum wage for servers, $2.13 an hour, is exactly the same as it was in 1991, when the regular minimum wage was $4.25.

"What a boon to the restaurant lobby, that for 23 years in a row they've been able to pay the same low wages [to servers]," said Allegretto.

3. ...And People Tip Less Now Than They Used To, Too

It's generally accepted that when you go out to eat, you're supposed to leave a 20 percent tip for good service. But most people don't tip that much, according to a survey conducted earlier this year by the coupon site Vouchercloud. The company polled more than 2,600 adults from all over the country, asking them what percentage of the bill they usually leave as a tip when they dine out. Just 23 percent said they leave a 20 percent tip, and about half the survey's respondents said they tip less now than they did five years ago, with the majority saying it was because their "financial situation had changed."

4. Abolish Tipping, And Customers Will Still Spend The Same Amount

Here's one argument you often hear in favor of keeping the tipped minimum wage so low: If restaurants have to pay servers a higher hourly wage, they'll be forced to increase menu prices and that will drive business away by giving people "sticker shock." But in all likelihood, the price hike of your meal, or the mandatory service charge tacked on in lieu of a tip, would be roughly equal to what you would have paid in tips anyway. In reality, customers already pay 100 percent of servers' wages, said Azar, who has done extensive research on the subject.

"Restaurant owners don't bring money from their own personal pocket to pay servers," said Azar. "Whatever they pay waiters is from the restaurant revenues, and [those revenues] come from customers paying. It makes no difference if these payments are called tips, prices, or service charges."

So if you're bothered by restaurants that add a mandatory service charge to the bill, don't worry: You're paying the same amount, albeit in a different form, that you normally would.

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Restaurants like Sushi Yasuda in New York have already gotten rid of tipping. (Photo Yelp/Germain W.)

5. Paying Waiters A Low Hourly Wage Can Be Bad For Restaurants' Profits

According to a 2014 report by the union-backed Restaurant Opportunities Center (ROC), those states that legally require restaurant owners to pay servers higher hourly wages also have higher per capita restaurant sales. Why? Because, the report says, when workers make more, they stay at their jobs longer, increase their productivity and spend more of their own money at restaurants.

Packhouse Meats, an independent eatery in Newport, Kentucky, is one establishment that's already experienced the benefits of paying waiters a guaranteed wage. Servers at Packhouse Meats make $10 an hour or 20 percent of their sales -- whichever amount is greater.

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The online menu for Packhouse Meats alerts customers to its no-tipping policy.

"We have very low turnover here, because our waiters don't want to leave," said Packhouse manager Kurt Stephens. Low turnover means the restaurant spends less time and money training new servers, and so it can provide a better experience for customers, according to Stephens.

"We end up saving a hefty sum," he said, "and the feedback I get from customers is, they love it, because the price on the menu is exactly what they end up paying."

6. When People Tip, They Discriminate

Every waiter knows that tips are unpredictable -- sometimes you'll earn 10 or 15 percent just because your customers don't like you. Worse, sometimes they don't like you because of the way you look. Studies by Michael Lynn, the Cornell professor and tipping expert, have shown that waitresses with larger breasts, smaller body sizes and blond hair tend to earn more tips than waitresses without such attributes. A separate study by Lynn found that white servers are tipped more than black servers for the same quality service and regardless of the race of the customer.

7. Tipping Culture Is An Incubator For Widespread Sexual Harassment

The tipping economy is particularly unfriendly to women. According to an October 2014 report from ROC, 80 percent of female servers say they've been sexually harassed at some point in their careers, and sexual harassment is more prevalent in states that only pay servers the federal sub-minimum wage of $2.13 an hour, as opposed to states that mandate a higher minimum wage.

"Since women restaurant workers living off tips are forced to rely on customers for their income rather than their employer, these workers must often tolerate inappropriate behavior from customers, co-workers, and management," the report says. "This dynamic contributes to the restaurant industry's status as the single largest source of sexual harassment claims in the U.S."

8. It's Arbitrary

We like to think of our tips as a reflection of how well a server did his or her job. But in reality, the reasons we tip are often irrational. Research has found that we tend to tip waiters more if they touch us on the arm or draw a sun or a smiley face on our check. We also tip servers who wear red or squat next to the table more than we do servers who wear other colors or remain vertical while working.

What's more, lots of people like tipping because they believe it gives them power -- they think that leaving a small tip, or no tip at all, sends a message to a server that he or she needs to do a better job next time. (See Steve Buscemi's "Reservoir Dogs" rant, above.) In reality, multiple waiters I spoke to for this story said that getting a substandard tip tells them very little.

"If you had a bad experience, say something to your waiter, say it to a manager, but don't say it with your money," said my friend Sage, who has spent years waiting tables and managing various New York restaurants. "There could be a million reasons your experience wasn't good. But you leaving a 10 or 15 percent tip with no explanation, it tells me nothing."

9. At High-End Restaurants, Tipping Creates Income Inequality Between Waiters And Kitchen Staff

As already mentioned, for many servers in cheaper restaurants, the tipped minimum wage contributes to poverty. But in high-end restaurants, tipping leads to a different form of income inequality. When menu prices are higher, servers often end up making a lot more in tips than kitchen staff, who have equally valuable skills but are often paid modest wages.

Because the Fair Labor Standards Act restricts servers from sharing their tips with workers who aren't directly engaged in customer service, some upscale restaurants have banned tipping altogether in favor of a service charge, which those restaurants can use to pay their employees more equitably.

The restaurants Next and Alinea are sister establishments in Chicago. Neither is cheap. (With wine pairings, the bill at either restaurant can easily exceed $300 for one person.) Customers at Next and Alinea pay a mandatory 20 percent service charge, a system that co-owner Nick Kokonas says allows him to pay all his employees a fair, performance-based wage, whether they're waiters or sous-chefs.

"Before, we could only share gratuities, which were a large portion of our revenue, with a small amount of the staff" -- namely, the servers, Kokonas said. Having a service charge "allows us to run a much more balanced and efficient operation."

Getting Rid Of Tipping Will Take Time

A bill introduced last year, the Fair Minimum Wage Act, would re-couple the hourly wage for tipped workers to the minimum wage. If it passes, every restaurant in the country would have to pay servers a rate equal to 70 percent of the national minimum wage. But the bill is opposed by the restaurant lobby and a number of Republican lawmakers, and it has only a minute chance of passing this year.

Still, despite political opposition, there's public support for both a higher national minimum wage and a higher wage for tipped workers. A 2004 poll cited by Lynn in his research paper "Tipping and Its Alternatives" found that only 22 percent of respondents said they would prefer waiters to be paid in tips instead of regular wages. Thirty-four percent said they had no opinion, while 44 percent said they would prefer waiters to be paid a guaranteed wage. Still, people love to tip. A survey conducted by Azar in 2010 found that 60 percent of Americans prefer tipping to a service charge.

Why are we so enamored of this strange, antiquated custom?

Michael McGuan, a former manager at the Linkery, a now-closed San Diego restaurant that was one of the first to outlaw tipping, offered some insight into why we're so gratuity-obsessed. Speaking to The New York Times Magazine in 2008, McGuan said that Linkery customers would sometimes get offended when told they weren't allowed to tip.

"I'll go over to the table and ask if there is a problem with the service. If there is, then I offer to remove the service charge," McGuan said. "Almost always, the customers' issue isn't about the service but about not being able to handle their loss of control."

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Ok, first of all, the statement "abolishing" tipping is just nonsense.

You cannot stop people from doing it. What, are you going to make it crime to leave a $10 bill on the table?

That's just ridiculous.

Make it mandatory that servers get the same minimum wage as everyone else if you want to--and then any tips are above that--but to talk about abolishing tipping is ridiculous.

Plus, servers aren't the only ones who get tips.

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I wish I still had the list someone sent me a couple of years ago. It was a list of all the people you are supposed to tip (especially at the holidays). From babysitters, to the mailman, to the Fed Ex/UPS drivers to fast food employees to the water meter reader to the vet, etc. It was unbelieveable.

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I'm an over tipper unless the service is really abysmal. But I know the tips are usually split among the bus boys and sometimes even the cooks



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I dont get why people feel so sorry for waiters/waitresses. under the current tipping system,they make much more money than a lot of the rest of us do. Say a waiter takes care of 3 tables in an hour and each table spent $100.00. With a 15% tip from each table, that's $45 in tips. Add the $2.13 min wage and it's $47.13 per hour. In a six hour day, thats $282 (before taxes). I wish I made that much in a day.

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I wish I still had the list someone sent me a couple of years ago. It was a list of all the people you are supposed to tip (especially at the holidays). From babysitters, to the mailman, to the Fed Ex/UPS drivers to fast food employees to the water meter reader to the vet, etc. It was unbelieveable.


   Yes.  Tip the garbage man, daycare, mailman, blah, blah.  I have no problem tipping at a restaurant or my hair dresser , but the rest is ridiculous.



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I dont get why people feel so sorry for waiters/waitresses. under the current tipping system,they make much more money than a lot of the rest of us do. Say a waiter takes care of 3 tables in an hour and each table spent $100.00. With a 15% tip from each table, that's $45 in tips. Add the $2.13 min wage and it's $47.13 per hour. In a six hour day, thats $282 (before taxes). I wish I made that much in a day.


Actually, there are a lot of servers who would be against this.  They like their tips.  I think many support some type of minimum wage because they assume people will still tip anyway. 



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No. I don't think we will ever get rid of tips. It is just the way it is. But, I HATE going to fussy hotels where some guy lifts your suitcase to the curb and wants a tip. Then, someone carries it to the desk. Then another carries it to your room, all wanting a tip. Absurd.

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So whom do you all tip? Do you give gifts and tips during the holidays/?

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So whom do you all tip? Do you give gifts and tips during the holidays/?


Wait staff

Hotel maid

Hairdresser

Dog groomer

Lawn service

Delivery driver for food

Flower delivery person, though, I haven't gotten any lately.

I just give bigger tips during the holidays, not actual gifts.



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I refuse to tip a USPS Mail Carrier. Their starting salary in my LCOL area is $25,750 and they get FULL health benefits and a retirement. NOPE Not gonna happen.

The same goes for Garbage Collectors. Again, the starting salary in my neck of the woods is $24,000 but really averaging closer to $30,000. And while they do not have a pension, they have a bank health care plan.

And why would you tip your Vet...do you tip your doctor? That is not a service industry job, its a ****ing college masters educated career choice. And honestly, I would not tip my DCP, given I do not tip my child's teacher - both may get a gift at christmas because we care for them, but I sure as **** am not tipping them for doing their jobs.

Nope. I tip at restaurants because that money gets shared by the lowly busboys, but the Cooks who are not getting minimum should not be sharing in that. I also tip my stylist and nail person, but that depends on if they are renting their slot, the owner of the store or an employee of a chain.

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So whom do you all tip? Do you give gifts and tips during the holidays/?


Wait staff

Hotel maid

Hairdresser

Dog groomer

Lawn service

Delivery driver for food

Flower delivery person, though, I haven't gotten any lately.

I just give bigger tips during the holidays, not actual gifts.


Oh, and the parking valet.

And our movers.

I think that covers it. If I think of anyone else, I'll add it. 



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What about furniture delivery dude? I hate tipping when I just paid $115 to have a sofa delivered.

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What about furniture delivery dude? I hate tipping when I just paid $115 to have a sofa delivered.


I've never tipped them. 



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Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

So whom do you all tip? Do you give gifts and tips during the holidays/?


Wait staff

Hotel maid

Hairdresser

Dog groomer

Lawn service

Delivery driver for food

Flower delivery person, though, I haven't gotten any lately.

I just give bigger tips during the holidays, not actual gifts.


 I'm with you on all but two. Do you tip your lawn service people every time they come? Or just at the holidays? I don't have a lawn care service, but I am curious. 

Flower delivery??? Are you supposed to tip when someone sends you flowers? I never have.. whoops!



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Lawn service at Christmas, not every week.

Yes, you are supposed to give a couple of bucks to the person who delivers your flowers.smile



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I don't get flowers :).

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I don't tip often.

At the restaurant if the waiter or waitress has actually done something.

Not at buffets. Sorry, you don't do anything but clear the table.

The pizza guy but not a lot. they have begun to include a delivery fee.

Never have tipped the mail man or UPS guys, I usually don't even see them.



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Lawn service at Christmas, not every week.

Yes, you are supposed to give a couple of bucks to the person who delivers your flowers.smile



-- Edited by Fort Worth Mom on Sunday 19th of October 2014 06:32:07 AM


 That really sucks for them. Especially since when I was working they were delivered to the front desk. Not just mine, everyone's. They probably hate delivering to offices.



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Our mailman is a horrid little man. He maced a neighbors dog...thru the screen.

He refuses to deliver if our dog is outside on a leash, being held by me. Nope. He will walk to the other side of the street and yell that you'll get your mail to.orrow if that dog is in the house.

I hate him. But I kinda feel bad for him because something had to have happened for him to have no sense when it comes to dogs.

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Our mailman is a horrid little man. He maced a neighbors dog...thru the screen.

He refuses to deliver if our dog is outside on a leash, being held by me. Nope. He will walk to the other side of the street and yell that you'll get your mail to.orrow if that dog is in the house.

I hate him. But I kinda feel bad for him because something had to have happened for him to have no sense when it comes to dogs.


My mail man is so lazy. It's a motor route. If we have a package he beeps. If no one comes outside he throws the package over the deck rail instead of coming up 5 steps to the front door.  



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Our mailman is really nice. He carries dog biscuits and I have seen him tossing my dog a biscuit.. My dog has an enclosed area on the side of the house not near the mailbox so he would not have to do that but he does. My dog is never loose. I think he genuinely likes dogs.

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Our mailman is really nice. He carries dog biscuits and I have seen him tossing my dog a biscuit.. My dog has an enclosed area on the side of the house not near the mailbox so he would not have to do that but he does. My dog is never loose. I think he genuinely likes dogs.


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Our mailman is really nice. He carries dog biscuits and I have seen him tossing my dog a biscuit.. My dog has an enclosed area on the side of the house not near the mailbox so he would not have to do that but he does. My dog is never loose. I think he genuinely likes dogs.


You have a very smart mailman. 


Well. Except that he smells like dog biscuits. What if he runs out and the dog REALLY wants one? Hmmm? Not so smart then is he? biggrin 



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He's pretty smart. I don't think he ever runs out.

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Our mail person will pull up and beep if there is something that needs a signature. But I don't blame her, she is driving from the passenger side and that cant be easy to get in and out of. She is about 60 something too.

We had a creeper mail man for a while. He would come around about the same time each day, but if he saw me in the yard he would pull in and hand deliver the mail. Not a big deal at first. But then he would pull up and honk for me to come out and get it if I wasn't in the yard. If he saw I was getting in the car from two houses down he would come give me my mail first and then go back. and he always wanted to talk.

I am sure he was just trying to be nice but he gave me the willies.

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I like my mail lady. She's really good about keeping other people's stuff out of my mailbox and she's also really nice about checking to see if something I've been waiting on has arrived.

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About the pizza delivery guy - the driver does not get the delivery fee. The restaurant does, so you should still tip the delivery guy.

I refuse to tip people who get paid above minimum wage, who are doing their jobs -- for example, the mailman. He is paid to deliver the mail, why should I tip him? And my father in law works for the post office - he thinks it's ridiculous too.



I think that giving service workers who go out of their way, something extra is a nice gesture. It doesn't have to be cash. At the local PetSmart where the dog is groomed, I had pizza delivered to the salon as a thank you. He was young, a PITA to keep still, and they took a lot of time with him. They were so excited! It can be as simple as a thank you card - it means a lot to the workers, and again, it doesn't have to be cash.

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And the mailman gets a nice lush pension. Do you?

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Even the people at subway have a tip jar. Seems like you can't go anywhere without someone wanting a tip for doing their job.

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Oh I HATE the tip jars. I unilaterally refuse to put anything in them - DH is the exact opposite, so we cancel each other out. Lol

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About the pizza delivery guy - the driver does not get the delivery fee. The restaurant does, so you should still tip the delivery guy.

I refuse to tip people who get paid above minimum wage, who are doing their jobs -- for example, the mailman. He is paid to deliver the mail, why should I tip him? And my father in law works for the post office - he thinks it's ridiculous too.



I think that giving service workers who go out of their way, something extra is a nice gesture. It doesn't have to be cash. At the local PetSmart where the dog is groomed, I had pizza delivered to the salon as a thank you. He was young, a PITA to keep still, and they took a lot of time with him. They were so excited! It can be as simple as a thank you card - it means a lot to the workers, and again, it doesn't have to be cash.


 I may give them a buck or two but that is it. Before I would give them the cost of at least a gallon of gas or what it would take to deliver to our hose. About $5.

The delivery fee helps cover their gas compensation.

Guess I am cheap but oh well.



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I'm going to send my car insurance agent a Christmas card, he helps me out a lot.

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I dont get why people feel so sorry for waiters/waitresses. under the current tipping system,they make much more money than a lot of the rest of us do. Say a waiter takes care of 3 tables in an hour and each table spent $100.00. With a 15% tip from each table, that's $45 in tips. Add the $2.13 min wage and it's $47.13 per hour. In a six hour day, thats $282 (before taxes). I wish I made that much in a day.


 When I was a waitress I made more money then my sister did working at a bank, and this was at a cheap family steakhouse.

 



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Lawn service at Christmas, not every week.

Yes, you are supposed to give a couple of bucks to the person who delivers your flowers.smile



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 I never got a single tip when I delivered flowers. no   



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I'm going to send my car insurance agent a Christmas card, he helps me out a lot.


 Please do!  I love when I get cards!  Makes my day!  Then I get little gifts.  One old cutie showed up with Valentine Day carnations.  He said it just makes him smile that I talk away to him.  They all know to just call. I will yap away.



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I'm going to send my car insurance agent a Christmas card, he helps me out a lot.


 Please do!  I love when I get cards!  Makes my day!  Then I get little gifts.  One old cutie showed up with Valentine Day carnations.  He said it just makes him smile that I talk away to him.  They all know to just call. I will yap away.


 Aw I'm glad you said that :) I didn't know if it was weird or not



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Our mailman is really nice. He carries dog biscuits and I have seen him tossing my dog a biscuit.. My dog has an enclosed area on the side of the house not near the mailbox so he would not have to do that but he does. My dog is never loose. I think he genuinely likes dogs.


You have a very smart mailman. 


Well. Except that he smells like dog biscuits. What if he runs out and the dog REALLY wants one? Hmmm? Not so smart then is he? biggrin 


I expect that the dogs do NOT bark at him to chase him away, then celebrate when that works and he goes away. If they're barking at him as he approaches, it's probably friendly barking. 



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Lindley wrote:
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Lawn service at Christmas, not every week.

Yes, you are supposed to give a couple of bucks to the person who delivers your flowers.smile



-- Edited by Fort Worth Mom on Sunday 19th of October 2014 06:32:07 AM


 I never got a single tip when I delivered flowers. no   


 I'm sorry you never got a tip, but it makes me feel a bit better than I'm not the only one who didn't know.



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That's ok, I didn't know either till I read this thread. I don't the customers didn't know either.



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I dont get why people feel so sorry for waiters/waitresses. under the current tipping system,they make much more money than a lot of the rest of us do. Say a waiter takes care of 3 tables in an hour and each table spent $100.00. With a 15% tip from each table, that's $45 in tips. Add the $2.13 min wage and it's $47.13 per hour. In a six hour day, thats $282 (before taxes). I wish I made that much in a day.


 The majority of waitresses do not work where the table spends $100 on dinner.  Do the same math with $40 a table.  That's 20.17 per hour.  Now, realize that some tables sit longer than an hour, and there's really only about 3 busy hours for dinner. 

Working at Olive Garden - I averaged about $80 a night after tipping out the bar and the bus boys.  And my paycheck was non-existent b/c they used that for the taxes.  So, even working full-time, if I did, you are looking at $400 a week take home for 5 days of work.

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I thought you were no longer supposed to tip the mail person. I thought they weren't allowed to accept.

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I dont get why people feel so sorry for waiters/waitresses. under the current tipping system,they make much more money than a lot of the rest of us do. Say a waiter takes care of 3 tables in an hour and each table spent $100.00. With a 15% tip from each table, that's $45 in tips. Add the $2.13 min wage and it's $47.13 per hour. In a six hour day, thats $282 (before taxes). I wish I made that much in a day.


 The majority of waitresses do not work where the table spends $100 on dinner.  Do the same math with $40 a table.  That's 20.17 per hour.  Now, realize that some tables sit longer than an hour, and there's really only about 3 busy hours for dinner. 

Working at Olive Garden - I averaged about $80 a night after tipping out the bar and the bus boys.  And my paycheck was non-existent b/c they used that for the taxes.  So, even working full-time, if I did, you are looking at $400 a week take home for 5 days of work.

That's not a lot.


400 a week is pretty good. I worked 40 a week and only brought home 300. And I was a manager. So yeah. $10 an hour is pretty good considering the job.

And yeah I have done waiting and I have also done manufacturing work. Restaurant work may not be glamorous, but it isn't hard either.



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I have no idea who our mailperson is...same with trash collectors. We don't get pizza delivered.

I tip my hairdresser. She's amazing.

I hate tip jars too.

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I worked as a waitress for a long time. I didn't find it quite as easy as lily did. Customers could really be awful and it wasn't a high end place so I wasn't bringing home much money at all but it work with my schedule as the kids were growing up so you do what you have to. It would have been nice to get an actual paycheck and not have to worry that my tips would be enough. It's much easier on the budget when you know what you'll actually make.

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I'm going to send my car insurance agent a Christmas card, he helps me out a lot.


 Please do!  I love when I get cards!  Makes my day!  Then I get little gifts.  One old cutie showed up with Valentine Day carnations.  He said it just makes him smile that I talk away to him.  They all know to just call. I will yap away.


 Aw I'm glad you said that :) I didn't know if it was weird or not


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 Thank you! I thought he was cute.

  Waiting on tables is hard work. You are one your feet all day and dealing with all kinds of people. Majority of the customers were great, unfortunately there are real jerks out there that will treat you like dirt.  I use to work shifts from noon til 8:oo pm.   



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I worked as a waitress for a long time. I didn't find it quite as easy as lily did. Customers could really be awful and it wasn't a high end place so I wasn't bringing home much money at all but it work with my schedule as the kids were growing up so you do what you have to. It would have been nice to get an actual paycheck and not have to worry that my tips would be enough. It's much easier on the budget when you know what you'll actually make.


It wasn't easy. I hated it. That is where I developed my extreme dislike toward people.

I worked at a few places but the two distinct places I remember, one was a lot nicer than the other, neither was rocket science.

All I am saying is it isn't worth the $15 minimum wage that is being pushed.

Again. $10 an hour is a good wage.

I do try to leave my tip in cash though. If the waiter wants to only report a portion of it, fine.

And I hate those places where you pool tips. So they get cash too. That way they don't have to put so much in if there are others who are not pulling their weight.  



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I'm sorry lily but $10 an hour is not a good wage. Where I live that might cover my rent but then I couldn't feed the kids. I'm not sure who could live on $10 but that's why I no longer waitress.

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