TOTALLY GEEKED!

huskerbb · Guru

These were real men (and women, too). Few, if any, movie stars would do this, today.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

You're right. I don't see a single famous person giving up their comfort to fight for their country.

Divine Geek · Guru

It's been a few years, but Pat Tillman did. He left the NFL and enlisted. He was later killed in action.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

I don't see current young stars having the back bone to serve.

huskerbb · Guru

Divine Geek wrote:
It's been a few years, but Pat Tillman did. He left the NFL and enlisted. He was later killed in action.

I know--but--he wasn't a movie star and he arguably became famous BECAUSE he did that.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Saturday 18th of October 2014 06:19:46 PM

ed11563 · Guru

A LOT of young men enlisted after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, because many felt that our country could be invaded and subjugated. There was pride in enlisting and fighting for our country.

Vietnam was very different. A higher percentage of soldiers were there because they were drafted, and people saw all those young men fighting and dieing for no good reason.

We had to invade and defeat Afghanistan, but the second war in Iraq was and is a fool's errand. We can claim to have "won", but all we did was open Pandora's Box.

So, who feels enough pride in fighting in Iraq and Syria to enlist? Some are true patriots, but many of those who go were in dead-end positions in life without the Army.

And Hollywood Stars? They generally have all the money the need to live comfortably, and little reason to enlist.

huskerbb · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
A LOT of young men enlisted after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, because many felt that our country could be invaded and subjugated. There was pride in enlisting and fighting for our country.
Vietnam was very different. A higher percentage of soldiers were there because they were drafted, and people saw all those young men fighting and dieing for no good reason.
We had to invade and defeat Afghanistan, but the second war in Iraq was and is a fool's errand. We can claim to have "won", but all we did was open Pandora's Box.

So, who feels enough pride in fighting in Iraq and Syria to enlist? Some are true patriots, but many of those who go were in dead-end positions in life without the Army.
And Hollywood Stars? They generally have all the money the need to live comfortably, and little reason to enlist.

The same thing was true in 1941. Jimmy Stewart had all the money he ever needed before then. So did Clark Gable. That's the point.

Also, my son enlisted.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Elvis was drafted. He served. Of course that wasn't WWII. But I don't remember another since him.

coldean · Newbie

You have a point but there is a line between true patriots and cowards.
It's one thing to not give up your comforts to voluntarily enlist and a whole other to actually get out of the draft....

Cough cough Ted Nugent..

We will never know for sure if teddy actually dodged the draft but we do know that he did actually tell that story in an interview. So I'm pretty damn sure he did.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp

Claim: Ted Nugent evaded the draft in the 1960s by taking drugs and acting crazy.

UNDETERMINED

Example: [Collected via e-mail, April 2012]

TED NUGENT INTERVIEW....1977...have a look inside the mind of a man that proclaims himself to be a patriot, but here he tells how he got a 4F.... Nugent is a self admitted draft dodger.

Interviewer: How did you get out of the draft?

Ted Nugent: Ted was a young boy, appearing to be a hippie but quite opposite in fact, working hard and playing hard, playing rock and roll like a deviant. People would question my sanity, I played so much. So I got my notice to be in the draft. Do you think I was gonna lay down my guitar and go play army? Give me a break! I was busy doin' it to it. I had a career Jack. If I was walkin' around, hippying down, getting' loaded and pickin' my ass like your common curs, I'd say "Hey yeah, go in the army. Beats the poop out of scuffin' around in the gutters." But I wasn't a gutter dog. I was a hard workin', mother****in' rock and roll musician.

I got my physical notice 30 days prior to. Well, on that day I ceased cleansing my body. No more brushing my teeth, no more washing my hair, no baths, no soap, no water. Thirty days of debris build. I stopped shavin' and I was 18, had a little scraggly beard, really looked like a hippie. I had long hair, and it started gettin' kinky, matted up. Then two weeks before, I stopped eating any food with nutritional value. I just had chips, Pepsi, beer-stuff I never touched-buttered poop, little jars of Polish sausages, and I'd drink the syrup, I was this side of death, Then a week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. poop, piss the whole shot. My pants got crusted up.

See, I approached the whole thing like, Ted Nugent, cool hard-workin' dude, is gonna wreak havoc on these imbeciles in the armed forces. I'm gonna play their own game, and I'm gonna destroy 'em. Now my whole body is crusted in poop and piss. I was ill. And three or four days before, I started stayin' awake. I was close to death, but I was in control. I was extremely antidrug as I've always been, but I snorted some crystal methedrine. Talk about one wounded motherf*cker. A guy put up four lines, and it was for all four of us, but I didn't know and I'm vacuuming that poop right up. I was a walking, talking hunk of human poop. I was six-foot-three of sin. So the guys took me down to the physical, and my nerves, my emotions were distraught. I was not a good person. I was wounded. But as painful and nauseous as it was — 'cause I was really into bein' clean and on the ball — I made gutter swine hippies look like football players. I was deviano.

So I went in, and those guys in uniform couldn't believe the smell. They were ridiculin' me and pushin' me around and I was cryin', but all the time I was laughin' to myself. When they stuck the needle in my arm for the blood test I passed out, and when I came to they were kicking me into the wall. Then they made everybody take off their pants, and I did, and this sergeant says, "Oh my God, put those back on! You f*cking swine you!" Then they had a urine test and I couldn't piss, But my poop was just like ooze, man, so I poop in the cup and put it on the counter. I had poop on my hand and my arm. The guy almost puked. I was so proud. I knew I had these chumps beat. The last thing I remember was wakin' up in the ear test booth and they were sweepin' up. So I went home and cleaned up.

They took a putty knife to me. I got the street rats out of my hair, ate some good steaks, beans, potatoes, cottage cheese, milk. A couple of days and I was ready to kick ass. And in the mail I got this big juicy 4-F. They'd call dead people before they’d call my ass. But you know the funny thing about it? I'd make an incredible army man. I'd be a colonel before you knew what hit you, and I'd have the baddest bunch of motherf*ckin' killers you'd ever seen in my platoon. But I just wasn't into it. I was too busy doin' my own thing, you know?

Origins: If various rock 'n' roll memoirs are to be believed, nearly every American musical group of the 1960s had at least one member who evaded the Vietnam-era draft by scheming to fail a physical examination through some combination of drug use, sleep deprivation, neglected hygiene, deliberate starvation, feigned homosexuality, and assumed bizarre behavior. Johnny Rogan's biography of the Byrds, for example, describes such plotting by two of the group's members, frontman Gene Clark and drummer Michael Clarke:
Gene had previous escaped [the draft] due to a knee injury incurred when he played football in his teens. But the diagnosis of Osgood-Schlatters disease was remedied by rest and physiotherapy, so it was not long before he was re-examined. This time, he feigned madness, employing whatever drugs were at his disposal to enhance the desired effects. "Gene was living with me at the time," Clarke told me. "We did a programme and it was hard getting Gene out of the draft. They weren't buying that bull**** about his leg. I kept him up for a week. Thanks to massive amounts of dexedrine he screwed up all the tests. They looked up his ass. It was seriously demeaning. But we were the best of brothers and I helped get him out."

"When I went in, it was major ****. I wore these stupid pants and sandals. I sat there cross-legged and suggested I had a problem. They were waiting for somebody to try and get out and their attitude was 'You're front line, dude.' I got through the tests. There was a form with the question, 'Are you a homosexual?' I wrote 'No!', then changed it to 'Yes', then 'No' again, then crossed it out a few times. I knew all the answers and freaked out. I followed the yellow line and I had to take a piss. They give you this thing to carry and I threw it down on the floor and went over in the corner and took a piss. The guy said, 'This is very serious ... You can't do that!' I turned around and accidentally ended up pissing on him. Then somebody tried to take my stuff, so I jumped in and said, 'Take your hands off my stuff or I'll kill you. I'm serious' I'd got my hands round this guy's neck. Right away, they sent me to the psychiatrist's office. They were looking at me thinking, 'Is he for real or is he bull****ting us?' There was one guy there with long hair who went to Vietnam, but I didn't. You had to be good. The psychiatrist asked me, 'Have you ever done it with a woman?' I said, 'No!' He said, 'Have you ever wanted to?' I said, 'No!' He said, 'Have you ever done it with a man?' I said, 'No!' He was just looking at me — that's all he was doing. Finally, he said, 'Get the hell out of here.' They ran me down the red line and booted my ass out of there — 'Get out of here, you faggot bastard, schizoid homosexual, not fit for military service at any time — 4-F.' I ran out the door, jumped in my Porsche, beat it back to the beach and was laughing all the way. If you think I wanted to go to Vietnam, you were out of your mind. I was making too much goddamn money."
The account quoted at the head of this article is a portion of an interview with rocker Ted Nugent published by High Times magazine in 1977, during which the guitarist claimed he had engaged in similar behavior to deliberately fail a physical exam in 1967 and be qualified 4-F (not acceptable for military service). Questioned about that account some thirty years later (by which time Nugent was known as a staunch political conservative, a supporter of the Republican Party, and and advocate of hunting and gun ownership rights) in an interview with the UK's Independent newspaper, Nugent denied that previous account of his draft-evading activities, maintaining that he had made up the story and fed it to a gullible High Times reporter, and that he actually had avoided the draft through the legitimate means of a student deferment:
He has the rage, but he doesn't have the war record. At 18, he was called up to serve in Vietnam. "In 1977 you gave an interview to High Times [the cannabis user's journal of record] where you claimed you defecated in your clothes to avoid the draft."

"I never **** my pants to get out of the draft," says Nugent, good-naturedly.

"You also told them you took crystal meth before the medical — as a result of which, and I quote: 'I got this big juicy 4F.'"

"Unbelievable. Meth," he replies, in a tone of deep sarcasm. "Yes, that's my drug of choice. You've got to realise that these interviewers would arrive with glazed eyes and I would make stories up. I never did crystal meth. And I never pooped my pants."

"But you did dodge the draft."

"I had a 1Y [student deferment]. I enrolled at Oakland Community College."

"You said then that you wanted 'to teach the stupid bastards in the military a lesson'. I'd have thought you'd have loved the army. Guns. Travel. Danger."

"Back then, I didn't even understand what World War II was."

"So basically," — I admit that I have, unaccountably, started to speak Nugent — "you didn't want to get your Michigan ass blown off in Vietnam."

"Correct. I did not want to get my ass blown off in Vietnam."
Clearly, though, Ted Nugent didn't make up the tale about his snorting crystal meth just before his pre-induction physical as a one-off jape to fool a High Times reporter, as he said the same thing in an interview with CREEM magazine:
Q: "Are you still a hard case on drugs?"

A: "Real hard. I have never done a drug in my life. I have never smoked a joint in my life. I took two tokes off a joint with the MC5 one night and almost gagged and thought it was stupid. And that's it. I took two tokes off a joint once. I snorted one line of cocaine. And one line of crystal methedrine before my draft physical — but God, that was worth it because I wanted to see the look on the Sergeant's face. That's it for drugs."
An analysis of Ted Nugent's Selective Service classification record doesn't prove or disprove either version of the story. He did indeed receive a high school student deferment (1-S) in 1967 and then (as he stated) a college student deferment (2-S) in 1968. However, he was reclassified as "available for military service" (1-A) in 1969 and then subsequently rejected as a result of a physical examination and given a 1-Y classification.

(The 1-Y classification denoted persons "qualified for service only in time of war or national emergency" and was generally assigned to registrants who had exhibited medical conditions that were limiting but not disabling.) After the 1-Y classification was eliminated by the Selective Service at the end of 1971, Nugent was reclassified as 4-F ("registrant not qualified for any military service").

So, Ted Nugent did have a student deferment for part of the time he was eligible for the Vietnam-era draft, but he also did fail a physical examination and receive a medical exemption (which, as far as we know, he has neither acknowledged nor explained). But in the absence of more specific information about the results of that physical examination and the reasons for his medical exemption, it cannot be ascertained how truthful the account Nugent gave to High Times magazine back in 1977 might be. (Ted Nugent's press representative did not respond to a request for additional information about this subject.

coldean · Newbie

I'd be embarrassed to have him on my side just for the fact that he thought it was cool to evade the draft. What a loser

huskerbb · Guru

Not sure what Ted Nugent has to do with anything.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Well if we are going to start looking at who has dodged the draft I don't think a lot would like what they found.

I'd still rather have Ted Nugent than Obama in office.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

http://www.nndb.com/event/806/000140386/

Draft Deferment: Vietnam

EVENT

Recipients of draft deferments during the Vietnam War era. Note that some of these men enlisted in the armed forces despite a deferment.

A total of 1,857,304 men were drafted between August 1964 and February 1973, drawing from the pool of men born on or before 1955.

Some common Selective Service classifications:

1-A Ready for immediate induction. (no deferment)
1-D Member of a Reserve component, or student taking military training
1-Y Qualified for military service only in time of national emergency (classification eliminated 10-Dec-1971)
2-S Student deferment (temporary delay)
3-A Extreme hardship to dependents
4-F Unqualified for military service (exemption)

coldean · Newbie

LOL
what Ted Nugent has to do with this I'd simple.
You infer that famous people today are not patriotic enough to leave their comforts to enlist.
Well maybe they're not but the famous men of today are no draft dodgers either.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

See also Draft Deferment.

Name	Occupation	Birth	Death	Known for
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	Basketball	`16-Apr-1947`		NBA records for most minutes, most points
Elliott Abrams	Government	`24-Jan-1948`		Asst. Secy. of State involved in Iran-Contra
Lamar Alexander	Politician	`3-Jul-1940`		US Senator from Tennessee
Muhammad Ali	Boxing	`17-Jan-1942`		Floated like butterfly, stung like bee
Samuel Alito	Judge	`1-Apr-1950`		US Supreme Court Justice
Wayne Allard	Politician	`2-Dec-1943`		US Senator from Colorado, 1997-2009
George Allen	Politician	`8-Mar-1952`		US Senator from Virginia, 2001-07
John Ashcroft	Politician	`9-May-1942`		US Attorney General, 2001-05
Richard Axel	Scientist	`2-Jul-1946`		Odorant receptors and olfactory organization
Gary Bauer	Government	`4-May-1946`		Family Research Council
Bob Beauprez	Politician	`22-Sep-1948`		Congressman from Colorado, 2003-07
William Bennett	Government	`31-Jul-1943`		Former Drug Czar and gambling man
Joseph Biden	Politician	`20-Nov-1942`		Vice President of the United States
Don Black	Activist	`28-Jul-1953`		Stormfront.org founder
Michael Bloomberg	Politician	`14-Feb-1942`		Mayor of New York City
Roy Blunt	Politician	`10-Jan-1950`		US Senator from Missouri
Neal Boortz	Radio Personality	`6-Apr-1945`		Libertarian radio host
Bill Bradley	Politician	`28-Jul-1943`		US Senator from New Jersey, 1979-97
Phil Bredesen	Politician	`21-Nov-1943`		Governor of Tennessee, 2003-11
L. Paul Bremer	Government	`30-Sep-1941`		Director of the Iraq Provisional Authority
George W. Bush	Head of State	`6-Jul-1946`		43rd US President, 2001-09
Richard Carpenter	Musician	`15-Oct-1946`		The Carpenters
Saxby Chambliss	Politician	`10-Nov-1943`		US Senator from Georgia
Dick Cheney	Politician	`30-Jan-1941`		US Vice President, 2001-09
Tom Clancy	Novelist	`12-Apr-1947`		The Hunt for Red October
Bill Clinton	Head of State	`19-Aug-1946`		42nd US President, 1993-2001
Norm Coleman	Politician	`17-Aug-1949`		US Senator from Minnesota, 2003-09
Pete Coors	Relative	`20-Sep-1946`		Coors scion
Howard Dean	Politician	`17-Nov-1948`		Governor of Vermont, 1991-2003
Tom DeLay	Politician	`8-Apr-1947`		Former House Majority Leader, convicted felon
Mike DeWine	Politician	`5-Jan-1947`		US Senator from Ohio, 1995-2007
Brian J. Donnelly	Politician	`2-Mar-1946`		Congressman from Massachusetts, 1979-93
Roy P. Dyson	Politician	`15-Nov-1948`		Congressman from Maryland, 1981-91
David Eisenhower	Author	`31-Mar-1948`		Camp David namesake
Daniel Ellsberg	Government	`7-Apr-1931`		Pentagon Papers source
James Fallows	Journalist	`2-Aug-1949`		Atlantic Monthly
Bobby Fischer	Chess Player	`9-Mar-1943`	`18-Jan-2008`	Eccentric chess grandmaster
Steve Forbes	Business	`18-Jul-1947`		Owner and publisher of Forbes magazine
Al Franken	Politician	`21-May-1951`		US Senator from Minnesota
Bob Franks	Politician	`21-Sep-1951`	`9-Apr-2010`	Congressman from New Jersey, 1993-2001
Bill Frist	Politician	`22-Feb-1952`		US Senate Majority Leader, 2003-07
Max Gail	Actor	`5-Apr-1943`		Det. Wojciehowicz on Barney Miller
Dick Gephardt	Politician	`31-Jan-1941`		Congressman from Missouri, 1977-2005
Newt Gingrich	Politician	`17-Jun-1943`		Speaker of the House, 1995-99
Rudy Giuliani	Politician	`28-May-1944`		Mayor of New York City, 1994-2001
Al Gore	Politician	`31-Mar-1948`		US Vice President under Clinton
Phil Gramm	Politician	`8-Jul-1942`		US Senator from Texas, 1985-2002
Lee Greenwood	Country Musician	`27-Oct-1942`		God Bless the U.S.A.
Judd Gregg	Politician	`14-Feb-1947`		US Senator from New Hampshire, 1993-2011
Arlo Guthrie	Singer/Songwriter	`10-Jul-1947`		Alice's Restaurant
George Hamilton	Actor	`12-Aug-1939`		Well-tanned celebrity
Robert Hanssen	Spy	`18-Apr-1944`		Russian mole inside the FBI
Dennis Hastert	Politician	`2-Jan-1942`		Speaker of the House, 1999-2006
Roger Hedge****	Politician	`2-May-1946`		Mayor of San Diego, 1983-85
Douglas Hofstadter	Author	`15-Feb-1945`		Godel, Escher, Bach
Brit Hume	Journalist	`22-Jun-1943`		Fox News DC correspondent
John Irving	Novelist	`2-Mar-1942`		The World According to Garp
Ted Kaczynski	Criminal	`22-May-1942`		The Unabomber
Andy Kaufman	Comic	`17-Jan-1949`	`16-May-1984`	Brilliant comic, prankster, professional wrestler
Bob Kerrey	Politician	`27-Aug-1943`		Governor and Senator from Nebraska
Alan Keyes	Radio Personality	`7-Aug-1950`		Illinois carpetbagger

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Stephen King	Novelist	`21-Sep-1947`		The Shining
Bruce Kovner	Activist	`Feb-1945`		Caxton Associates billionaire
Dennis Kucinich	Politician	`ct-1946`		Congressman, Ohio 10th
Ken Lay	Business	`15-Apr-1942`	`5-Jul-2006`	CEO of Enron, 1986-2002
Ron Lewis	Politician	`14-Sep-1946`		Congressman from Kentucky, 1994-2009
Lewis Libby	Government	`22-Aug-1950`		Cheney's former Chief of Staff
Joseph Lieberman	Politician	`24-Feb-1942`		US Senator from Connecticut
Rush Limbaugh	Radio Personality	`12-Jan-1951`		Conservative talk show host
Trent Lott	Politician	`9-Oct-1941`		US Senator from Mississippi, 1989-2007
Dan Lungren	Politician	`22-Sep-1946`		Congressman, California 3rd
David Mamet	Author	`30-Nov-1947`		Glengarry Glen Ross
Jim Marshall	Politician	`31-Mar-1948`		Congressman from Georgia, 2003-11
Chris Matthews	Talk Show Host	`17-Dec-1945`		Hardball with Chris Matthews
Mitch McConnell	Politician	`20-Feb-1942`		US Senator from Kentucky
Michael Medved	Critic	`Oct-1948`		Traditional values pundit, film critic
Bob Metcalfe	Business	`1946`		Co-Inventor of Ethernet
John Milius	Film Director	`11-Apr-1944`		Conan the Barbarian
James C. Miller III	Economist	`25-Jun-1942`		Conservative economist
Dan Moldea	Journalist	`27-Feb-1950`		Muckraker
Joe Namath	Football	`31-May-1943`		Football player and pantyhose wearer
Ted Nugent	Musician	`13-Dec-1948`		Rock star, bowhunting enthusiast
Bill O'Reilly	Talk Show Host	`10-Sep-1949`		The O'Reilly Factor
P. J. O'Rourke	Author	`14-Nov-1947`		Political satirist
Bill Owens	Politician	`22-Oct-1950`		Governor of Colorado, 1999-2007
Carl Paladino	Business	`24-Aug-1946`		Buffalo real estate baron
Gram Parsons	Musician	`5-Nov-1946`	`19-Sep-1973`	Flying Burrito Brothers
George Pataki	Politician	`24-Jun-1945`		Governor of New York, 1995-2006
John Perkins	Activist	`28-Jan-1945`		Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
Dan Quayle	Politician	`4-Feb-1947`		Vice President under George H.W. Bush
Marc Racicot	Politician	`24-Jul-1948`		Governor of Montana, 1993-2001
Robert Reich	Government	`24-Jun-1946`		US Secretary of Labor, 1993-97
Bill Richardson	Politician	`15-Nov-1947`		Governor of New Mexico, 2003-11
Donald L. Ritter	Politician	`21-Oct-1940`		Congressman from Pennsylvania, 1979-93
Dana Rohrabacher	Politician	`21-Jun-1947`		Congressman, California 46th
Mitt Romney	Politician	`12-Mar-1947`		Governor of Massachusetts, 2003-07
Karl Rove	Government	`25-Dec-1950`		Political Strategist to George W. Bush
Robert Shapiro	Attorney	`2-Sep-1942`		One of OJ Simpson's attorneys
Ron Silver	Actor	`2-Jul-1946`	`15-Mar-2009`	Wiseguy
O. J. Simpson	Football	`9-Jul-1947`		Searching tirelessly for the real killers
Richard E. Smalley	Chemist	`6-Jun-1943`	`2ct-2005`	Co-Discovered fullerines
David Souter	Judge	`17-Sep-1939`		US Supreme Court Justice, 1990-2009
Bruce Springsteen	Musician	`23-Sep-1949`		The Boss
Sylvester Stallone	Actor	`6-Jul-1946`		Rocky, Rambo
Ken Starr	Government	`21-Jul-1946`		Special Prosecutor, Clinton's impeachment
David Stockman	Government	`10-Nov-1946`		Ronald Reagan's chief economist
John Stossel	Journalist	`6-Mar-1947`		Libertarian reporter
Tom Tancredo	Politician	`20-Dec-1945`		Congressman from Colorado, 1999-2009
John B. Taylor	Economist	`8-Dec-1946`		Council of Economic Advisers, 1989-91
Clarence Thomas	Judge	`23-Jun-1948`		US Supreme Court Justice
Garry Trudeau	Cartoonist	`21-Jul-1948`		Doonesbury
Donald Trump	Business	`14-Jun-1946`		The Donald
Scott Turow	Novelist	`12-Apr-1949`		Presumed Innocent
Steven Tyler	Singer	`26-Mar-1948`		Frontman for Aerosmith
Mark Udall	Politician	`18-Jul-1950`		US Senator from Colorado
Douglas A. Warner III	Business	`9-Jun-1946`		CEO of JP Morgan, 1995-2000
Henry Waxman	Politician	`12-Sep-1939`		Congressman, California 30th
Daniel A. Webster	Politician	`27-Apr-1949`		Congressman, Florida 8th
Andrew Weil	Author	`8-Jun-1942`		New age ethnopharmacologist
Bill Weld	Politician	`31-Jul-1945`		Governor of Massachusetts, 1991-97
Curt Weldon	Politician	`22-Jul-1947`		Congressman from Pennsylvania, 1987-2007
George Will	Columnist	`4-May-1941`		Conservative pundit, baseball lover
Joseph Wilson	Diplomat	`6-Nov-1949`		Ambassador to Gabon, Valerie Plame's husband
Paul Wolfowitz	Government	`22-Dec-1943`		President of the World Bank, 2005-07
Steve Wozniak	Computer Programmer	`11-Aug-1950`		Co-Founder of Apple Computer

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

coldean wrote:
LOL
what Ted Nugent has to do with this I'd simple.
You infer that famous people today are not patriotic enough to leave their comforts to enlist.
Well maybe they're not but the famous men of today are no draft dodgers either.

Only because we are not drafting. To borrow a term from Husker. DUH!

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Okay, I have to seriously question the validity of your list.
Bob Kerry, of Nebraska, former governor and senator served in Vietnam and lost a leg there.
George W Bush, served as a fighter pilot in the National Guard.
So, yeah, something is seriously wrong with this list.

coldean · Newbie

Recipients of draft deferments during the Vietnam War era. Note that some of these men enlisted in the armed forces despite a deferment.

Ohfour · Hooker

lilyofcourse wrote:
coldean wrote:
LOL
what Ted Nugent has to do with this I'd simple.
You infer that famous people today are not patriotic enough to leave their comforts to enlist.
Well maybe they're not but the famous men of today are no draft dodgers either.
Only because we are not drafting. To borrow a term from Husker. DUH!

Gigglesnort!!!!!

coldean · Newbie

Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
coldean wrote:
LOL
what Ted Nugent has to do with this I'd simple.
You infer that famous people today are not patriotic enough to leave their comforts to enlist.
Well maybe they're not but the famous men of today are no draft dodgers either.
Only because we are not drafting. To borrow a term from Husker. DUH!
Gigglesnort!!!!!

No we are not drafting now..lol

My point is that you can judge the patriotism of men today against the men of that time but let's judge them ALL.

huskerbb is trying to say that men today simply won't stand up and enlist making it seem that men today are not as patriotic. But just because a few Hollywood men volunteered to fight a war many years ago let's not just use those few to judge all the men of today.

Let's use the few who dodged the draft as well.

I think you will see that if we did a total judgment of all the men from then and now that the level of patriotism would be inconclusive.

And so my point is that this generation is not going to hell in a hand basket like so many think. Your grandmother's said the same about your generation.

huskerbb · Guru

coldean wrote:
LOL
what Ted Nugent has to do with this I'd simple.
You infer that famous people today are not patriotic enough to leave their comforts to enlist.
Well maybe they're not but the famous men of today are no draft dodgers either.

Again, what does Ted Nugent have to do with anything? He wasn't even born when WWII was going on.

The reason they aren't draft dodgers today is ONLY because there is no draft.

But so what? Again, MOST of those in the slideshow I put on here VOLUNTEERED--and that was even AFTER they were famous and many had already made a good deal of money in show biz. Jimmy Stewart and Clark Gable were already famous actors.

huskerbb · Guru

coldean wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
coldean wrote:
LOL
what Ted Nugent has to do with this I'd simple.
You infer that famous people today are not patriotic enough to leave their comforts to enlist.
Well maybe they're not but the famous men of today are no draft dodgers either.
Only because we are not drafting. To borrow a term from Husker. DUH!
Gigglesnort!!!!!
No we are not drafting now..lol
My point is that you can judge the patriotism of men today against the men of that time but let's judge them ALL.
huskerbb is trying to say that men today simply won't stand up and enlist making it seem that men today are not as patriotic. But just because a few Hollywood men volunteered to fight a war many years ago let's not just use those few to judge all the men of today.
Let's use the few who dodged the draft as well.
I think you will see that if we did a total judgment of all the men from then and now that the level of patriotism would be inconclusive.
And so my point is that this generation is not going to hell in a hand basket like so many think. Your grandmother's said the same about your generation.

At least try to get the correct generation. Ted Nugent has NOTHING to do with WWII.

You do know that WWII and Vietnam were separated by 20+ years, right? Maybe you need to learn some history before you participate here. You might hurt yourself.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

just Czech wrote:
Okay, I have to seriously question the validity of your list.
Bob Kerry, of Nebraska, former governor and senator served in Vietnam and lost a leg there.
George W Bush, served as a fighter pilot in the National Guard.
So, yeah, something is seriously wrong with this list.

I don't know I found it and posted all of it. Link and all.

huskerbb · Guru

I didn't read the list, but yeah, Bob Kerrey served in Vietnam. He not only served, but was a Navy Seal, a medal of honor winner, and was severely injured in combat.

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty while serving as a SEAL team leader during action against enemy aggressor (Viet Cong) forces. Acting in response to reliable intelligence, Lt. (j.g.) Kerrey led his SEAL team on a mission to capture important members of the enemy's area political cadre known to be located on an island in the bay of Nha Trang. In order to surprise the enemy, he and his team scaled a 350-foot sheer cliff to place themselves above the ledge on which the enemy was located. Splitting his team in 2 elements and coordinating both, Lt. (jg.) Kerrey led his men in the treacherous downward descent to the enemy's camp. Just as they neared the end of their descent, intense enemy fire was directed at them, and Lt. (jg.) Kerrey received massive injuries from a grenade that exploded at his feet and threw him backward onto the jagged rocks. Although bleeding profusely and suffering great pain, he displayed outstanding courage and presence of mind in immediately directing his element's fire into the heart of the enemy camp. Utilizing his radio, Lt. (jg.) Kerrey called in the second element's fire support, which caught the confused Viet Cong in a devastating crossfire. After successfully suppressing the enemy's fire, and although immobilized by his multiple wounds, he continued to maintain calm, superlative control as he ordered his team to secure and defend an extraction site. Lt. (jg.) Kerrey resolutely directed his men, despite his near unconscious state, until he was eventually evacuated by helicopter. The havoc brought to the enemy by this very successful mission cannot be over-estimated. The enemy soldiers who were captured provided critical intelligence to the allied effort. Lt. (jg.) Kerrey's courageous and inspiring leadership, valiant fighting spirit, and tenacious devotion to duty in the face of almost overwhelming opposition sustain and enhance the finest traditions of the U.S. Naval Service.

huskerbb · Guru

This wasn't meant to be a political thread in any way, shape, or form. I don't know the political affiliations of the men and women in the slideshow I posted the link to, nor did I mention anything about any political affiliation of those in Hollywood now who I don't think would be as ready to serve their country.

Another poster seemed to want to make it political by bringing up a figure wholly irrelevant to the discussion and who, in fact, rather supports my point rather than theirs.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I'm not sure I'd enlist in the military right now, either, with OBAMA as Commander in Chief.

TrudyML · Guru

What LL? You don't want to get saluted by the president while he salutes you with a Starbucks coffee!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Oh, geez, I didn't even know about that. Watching that video is terrible! It's like an afterthought salute, can't be bothered to do it right. He does have two hands, doesn't he?

VoiceOfReason · Guru

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Yes, a dog is comparable to a coffee cup - and it's not in his hand - AND his other hand was busy. What's Obama's excuse?

VoiceOfReason · Guru

Of course.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

What I don't see in Bush's salute is dismissal and "can't be bothered". I see him trying as best he can in the circumstance.

VoiceOfReason · Guru

Of course.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

VoiceOfReason · Guru

Yeah I cant see that but I'll preemptively say of course.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Of course.

VoiceOfReason · Guru

Of course

ed11563 · Guru

Looks like there was a tag from a tea bag hanging out of the cup.

Anyone who had been in the Military would have known better. And acted better.

At least he didn't ignore them completely.

ed11563 · Guru

Clearly either there was a problem with his left hand, or he didn't think about transferring the cup.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

ed11563 wrote:
Looks like there was a tag from a tea bag hanging out of the cup.
Anyone who had been in the Military would have known better. And acted better.
At least he didn't ignore them completely.

LOL - yes, it makes a difference if it was tea or coffee.

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Looks like there was a tag from a tea bag hanging out of the cup.
Anyone who had been in the Military would have known better. And acted better.
At least he didn't ignore them completely.
LOL - yes, it makes a difference if it was tea or coffee.

Sure. Uh huh.

Let's see that x-ray of his left hand now, please.

Lindley · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
What I don't see in Bush's salute is dismissal and "can't be bothered". I see him trying as best he can in the circumstance.

Easier to switch hands carrying a coffee cup then a dog. I don't think anyone would want Pres.Bush to drop his dog.