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aergia · Regular

Harassment -spin off

Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

Yes. It is inappropriate for the office. It belongs in her home, not at work. i'm suprised HR has let it slip by unless they're unaware of it?

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Honeys_Mom wrote:
Yes. It is inappropriate for the office. It belongs in her home, not at work. i'm suprised HR has let it slip by unless they're unaware of it?

Me too.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Honeys_Mom wrote:
Yes. It is inappropriate for the office. It belongs in her home, not at work. i'm suprised HR has let it slip by unless they're unaware of it?
Me too.

I agree 100%. This is actually an example they use when you train in HR!

ed11563 · Guru

Sounds like it's sexually suggestive, and clearly inappropriate for an office. Someone might quietly suggest to HR that s/he should walk by and take a look.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I would never display anything like that at work...

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

We are blurring the lines far too often in terms of personal and professional. I don't even have family pics at the office. It isn't my building or my space. I go to work to work. Yeah, doesn't mean I don't enjoy my coworkers or that we don't share personal stories at times or even have some meet ups. But, I really think it behooves everyone to clearly keep those boundaries. Especially now that so many people lack humor and are LOOKING for a reason to be pissed 24/7.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I don't know that I would think anything about it.

huskerbb · Guru

aergia wrote:
My office is about 80% women. We have various configurations of cubicles and pods. The one I really don't like is an inward facing wall, open to all cubes in her pod but not freely visible.
THere are two glossy full page pictures. They have very buff bodies. I have no idea who they are, but that does not matter.
(edited: they are male)
Couldnt any of our guys wh may see this call this harrassment?

-- Edited by aergia on Saturday 25th of October 2014 12:56:58 PM

They probably could--but guys tend not to be bothered by little crap like that that doesn't mean a hill of beans in the long run, anyway. Most guys are less likely to be complainers about that sort of thing.

aergia · Regular

so all things being equal it is OK to sexually harass the men, because they will not complain?

No...ridiculous....HR will officially know this week.

huskerbb · Guru

aergia wrote:
so all things being equal it is OK to sexually harass the men, because they will not complain?

No...ridiculous....HR will officially know this week.

They will know because who will complain? A guy? No--a woman.

That just proves my point.

Guys would likely not even see that AS sexual harassment.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Is it a sexy calendar or a gym ad?

Does the context matters?

aergia · Regular

I will complain in order to avoid sexual harassment PERIOD.

As people have said about other things, it is a slippery slope. If we allow one instance, what's to stop the next instance?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Why can't people just grow up and treat work like WORK?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:

Is it a sexy calendar or a gym ad?
Does the context matters?

I don't care what that is. Doesn't belong at work.

aergia · Regular

I don't care what that is. Doesn't belong at work.

ditto

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I am more of the I don't care period camp.

People are so bothered by everything that means nothing but have nothing to say about anything of importance.

It's a picture. How on earth does it harass anyone? It's just hanging there.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And are you going to complain about every billboard, calendar, and ad you come across? Cause this is everywhere.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

No. I honestly don't care. But, I think people decorating their lockers when they are 40 yrs old seems a bit stupid to me. Most people don't care. But, then you get the LOOK AT ME idiots at the workplace who always think the rules don't apply to them and have to push the envelope. Well, people are getting tired of letting the LOOK AT ME idiots rule the work space.

huskerbb · Guru

aergia wrote:
I will complain in order to avoid sexual harassment PERIOD.

As people have said about other things, it is a slippery slope. If we allow one instance, what's to stop the next instance?

You probably would/will. As would/will gaga.

My original point was that guys either would not consider it sexual harassment, and even if they did, they would be far less likely to complain about it.

huskerbb · Guru

In fact, I don't really see it as sexual harassment. If my female co-worker had that up in her office, how does it affect me?

Vette · Owl drink to that!

I don't think it's that big of a deal, now if they were nude photos that would be one thing.

huskerbb · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
Sounds like it's sexually suggestive, and clearly inappropriate for an office. Someone might quietly suggest to HR that s/he should walk by and take a look.

But being "inappropriate", or even "sexually suggestive" does not necessarily make it harassment.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
In fact, I don't really see it as sexual harassment. If my female co-worker had that up in her office, how does it affect me?

And here's the point. Men don't care nearly as much as women about this stuff. For a man to get upset, it would have to be blatant, over the top, affecting his job/marriage/life before he would consider it harassment.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

VetteGirl wrote:
I don't think it's that big of a deal, now if they were nude photos that would be one thing.

I agree with this.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
In fact, I don't really see it as sexual harassment. If my female co-worker had that up in her office, how does it affect me?
And here's the point. Men don't care nearly as much as women about this stuff. For a man to get upset, it would have to be blatant, over the top, affecting his job/marriage/life before he would consider it harassment.

Exactly. Women are great at coming up with solutions in search of a problem to apply it to.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
In fact, I don't really see it as sexual harassment. If my female co-worker had that up in her office, how does it affect me?
And here's the point. Men don't care nearly as much as women about this stuff. For a man to get upset, it would have to be blatant, over the top, affecting his job/marriage/life before he would consider it harassment.

Exactly. Women are great at coming up with solutions in search of a problem to apply it to.

Now, now. Not ALL women.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

The only time I have ever heard of a guy reporting sexual harassment was against me actually.

I had to let him go cause he was not showing up to work and not doing his job and I questioned his state of mind, I think there were drugs involved.

He accused me of coming on to him and then firing him because he wouldn't go along.

Believe me, there is no way on this planet I would come on to that guy.

The store and district manager knew that too but because of the complaint they had to go through the channels.

Took two days to clear that up.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
In fact, I don't really see it as sexual harassment. If my female co-worker had that up in her office, how does it affect me?
And here's the point. Men don't care nearly as much as women about this stuff. For a man to get upset, it would have to be blatant, over the top, affecting his job/marriage/life before he would consider it harassment.

Exactly. Women are great at coming up with solutions in search of a problem to apply it to.
Now, now. Not ALL women.

True--I meant "more likely".

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
aergia wrote:
I will complain in order to avoid sexual harassment PERIOD.

As people have said about other things, it is a slippery slope. If we allow one instance, what's to stop the next instance?
You probably would/will. As would/will gaga.

My original point was that guys either would not consider it sexual harassment, and even if they did, they would be far less likely to complain about it.

I have never filed a complaint about anyone. But, I most certainly have been in the raunchiest of environments at times. It doesn't bother me one way or the other. I can hear the most vile joke and not be offended or you can sing hymns. I really don't care. I go to work to do my work. But, that was years ago and I am sure it was far more accepted then. Now, if you behave in that way, you are simply just a stupid idiot who has no fetching up. And, those who do it might get away with it for a time, but others around them don't take them very seriously at their jobs. So, your choice really.

Vette · Owl drink to that!

Working in an aircraft hangar full of men I've heard/seen it all. If something is recurrent and REALLY bothers my I will take it directly to that person and ask them to stop whatever it is they are doing. I've never had to take further action than that.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
aergia wrote:
I will complain in order to avoid sexual harassment PERIOD.

As people have said about other things, it is a slippery slope. If we allow one instance, what's to stop the next instance?
You probably would/will. As would/will gaga.

My original point was that guys either would not consider it sexual harassment, and even if they did, they would be far less likely to complain about it.
I have never filed a complaint about anyone. But, I most certainly have been in the raunchiest of environments at times. It doesn't bother me one way or the other. I can hear the most vile joke and not be offended or you can sing hymns. I really don't care. I go to work to do my work. But, that was years ago and I am sure it was far more accepted then. Now, if you behave in that way, you are simply just a stupid idiot who has no fetching up. And, those who do it might get away with it for a time, but others around them don't take them very seriously at their jobs. So, your choice really.

But that doesn't necessarily make it sexual harassment.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes, that's true. But, it isn't necessary. So, how about people act like grown ups at work?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

What happened to the "mind your own business" attitude?

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Yes, that's true. But, it isn't necessary. So, how about people act like grown ups at work?

But the thread is about harassment.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
What happened to the "mind your own business" attitude?

I do. And, you should allow other people to mind their business at work without trying to turn it into a Frat Party.

huskerbb · Guru

How does a poster on my co-worker's wall affect my ability to do my job?

It doesn't.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The wall doesn't BELONG to your coworker. It isn't THEIR locker. It is the property of the business.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The wall doesn't BELONG to your coworker. It isn't THEIR locker. It is the property of the business.

Not the question. The question was how does a poster hanging on the wall affect my ability to do my job?

You got nothing, I realize.

Plus, not every business is going to be that bothered by it. That depends on a lot of factors.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Those kind of posters don't really belong in the workplace. But then, if I saw them it wouldn't bother me one bit. Unless they were naked I wouldn't be offended. I also wouldn't report it. But that's me. It would just say to me that the person was immature. Not sure if that's the right word.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The wall doesn't BELONG to your coworker. It isn't THEIR locker. It is the property of the business.
Not the question. The question was how does a poster hanging on the wall affect my ability to do my job?

You got nothing, I realize.

Plus, not every business is going to be that bothered by it. That depends on a lot of factors.

Do you have difficulty reading? Did I not previously say that I had worked in all kinds of environments? But, I guess you have to attach your own agenda to everything. And, was the question "Does it affect my job?" asked somewhere? If so, I didn't see that because nobody asked me. But, no, idiots at work only affect to the extent they need to get their work done. But, I think the question wasn't "does it interfere with your job" but was the nature of it's appropriateness and when such things border on harassment. If you are some immature dumbass who wishes to push the envelope at work, then by all means be my guest.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The wall doesn't BELONG to your coworker. It isn't THEIR locker. It is the property of the business.
Not the question. The question was how does a poster hanging on the wall affect my ability to do my job?

You got nothing, I realize.

Plus, not every business is going to be that bothered by it. That depends on a lot of factors.
Do you have difficulty reading? Did I not previously say that I had worked in all kinds of environments? But, I guess you have to attach your own agenda to everything. And, was the question "Does it affect my job?" asked somewhere? If so, I didn't see that because nobody asked me. But, no, idiots at work only affect to the extent they need to get their work done. But, I think the question wasn't "does it interfere with your job" but was the nature of it's appropriateness and when such things border on harassment. If you are some immature dumbass who wishes to push the envelope at work, then by all means be my guest.

????? Yes, it was asked of YOU--in the very post you replied to. WTF are you talking about? Are you even reading this thread?

burns07 · Guru

the woman who hung up the photos is probably praying for SOMEONE / ANYONE to complain--so she can threaten / file a suit under the banner of discrimination ( " but MEN have hung up photos for years ! " ) and squeeze her employer for money

ed11563 · Guru

I did complain to HR once about a coworker, not because of something posted on the wall in the office (I'm 1000 miles from the office) but something she included in the signature block at the bottom of her email messages.

She was in the Shipping Department, and had to follow up on some missing drugs.

She wrote to my customer about it and copied me, which is fine.

But in the block below her signature, where the company tells us to put in one on six specific messages about our products,

she instead had a bible quote.

I called her up and told her that a lot of my customers in New York are Jewish, or Hindu, or Muslim, or any other religion that comes from anywhere else in the world,

and we don't want to give the impression that we are a Christian company. Which her bible quote did.

She wrote back to me, without changing her signature block, and told me to show her where we were told not to do what she was doing. And she was very nasty about it.

I called HR and told them about it, but didn't give them her name. They said they would speak with her supervisor if I named her or forwarded the messages to them.

I didn't. But a couple weeks later they sent out a revised directive about material in signature blocks, telling people again that only certain approved wording was allowed.

Renegade Time Lord · Am I A Good Man?

aergia wrote:
My office is about 80% women. We have various configurations of cubicles and pods. The one I really don't like is an inward facing wall, open to all cubes in her pod but not freely visible.
THere are two glossy full page pictures. They have very buff bodies. I have no idea who they are, but that does not matter.
(edited: they are male)
Couldnt any of our guys wh may see this call this harrassment?

-- Edited by aergia on Saturday 25th of October 2014 12:56:58 PM

To answer your question, yes, any of your guys who may see it can call it harassment. Chances are, though, that they won't, and this is just based on my perception and experience. It takes a lot to offend me, and seeing a co-worker with male beefcake pics on their wall would not make me feel violated or uncomfortable. I am pretty secure in my appearance, for starters. In all the places I have been, I have never had a conversation yet with other guys about feeling uncomfortable about beefcake pics women have posted at work. Never. Maybe guys do complain, but I have never run into one yet.

In the last few places I worked, that kind of material, including calendars, were not allowed to be displayed so as not to be offensive to co-workers. As for my current employer, it is actually in the Employee Handbook that those type of pics or material are not allowed to be displayed in one's workspace.

In my department, at least, there are no beefcake photos displayed in any of the women's cubicles. And none of the men's cubicles have pin-up pics of women. In my own cubicle I have an NCIS calendar, since I was not able to snag a Doctor Who one last year (I get a lot of positive comments on my calendar; apparently, a lot of people I work with watch NCIS). Otherwise, there are no other photos or pics in my cubicle, just work notes and papers, a CD player/clock/radio, and a miniature TARDIS with flashing light.

I did manage to snag a 2015 Doctor Who calendar, and am looking forward to putting it up next year.

In regards to signature lines in e-mails, there are some employees who quote scripture (There are over 1,000 employees in my building alone). It doesn't offend me when I get their e-mails. We are a non-denominational company. I myself quote Doctor Who or a positive and uplifting thought.

-- Edited by Renegade Time Lord on Sunday 26th of October 2014 11:12:25 PM

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I don't get the Bible verse thing either. One can choose to be offended or choose not to. I don't care if a Jewish quote is put up or a Muslin quote or whatever. As long as it's uplifting I have no issue with it.