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Overheating is All in Your Head (Gasket)

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Tom & Ray

Nov 11, 2014 (Archives)

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Dear Tom and Ray:

I have a 1993 Toyota pickup truck, a 4-cylinder base model. It keeps overheating. Usually it happens in the morning and on the way home. Once it is running awhile, it seems to run at a normal temperature, according to the gauge. I had the thermostat replaced twice and the water pump replaced. I had the system flushed and refilled twice. Nobody knows what it is. This is a great truck, with 200,000 miles on it. The mechanic at the shop wants to buy it from me since it has almost no rust on the frame or elsewhere. I'm grasping at straws. Could it be some type of sensor? I get lots of hot heat in the cabin when it's overheating. What do you suggest I do next?

-- Mel

TOM: When you take it back to your mechanic again, Mel, write "For Sale" on the windshield.

RAY: Actually, since you're obviously attached to this truck, I'm going to recommend some exploratory surgery.

TOM: My guess is that you have either a bad head gasket or a cracked head. 

RAY: Having a cracked head is far worse. I mean, look at my brother.

TOM: What's happening is that right after you start the car -- in the morning or in the evening -- the very hot exhaust gases created inside the cylinders are getting through a breach in the cylinder head gasket or the cylinder head, and they're getting into the water jacket (the passages inside the cylinder head that carry the coolant). 

RAY: Once those exhaust gases -- which are several hundred degrees Fahrenheit -- mix with the coolant, they heat the absolute bejeebers out of it. 

TOM: It's possible that once the whole engine gets hot, things expand and the hole in the head gasket or the crack in the cylinder head closes up. That allows the cooling system to catch up and get the engine back down to normal temperature -- until the next time you start the cold engine.

RAY: But eventually, that breach will get bigger and it won't close up at all, and your truck will overheat all the time. And then you'll warp the head and fry the main bearings, and even your mechanic won't want to buy the truck from you then. So you need to fix this, Mel. 

TOM: If the truck is mechanically sound, other than the overheating (a question your mechanic should help you answer on a 20-plus-year-old truck with 200,000 miles), then I'd pay your guy 300-400 bucks to remove the head and see what's going on. 

RAY: Once the head is off, he might see a clear breach in the head gasket. That'd be the best-case scenario, and I'd say there's an 80 percent chance that that's what he'll find. Then he cleans up the head, replaces the head gasket, puts the engine back together, charges you $1,000 for the whole job and sends you on your merry way.

TOM: If he doesn't see a tear in the gasket, then it's likely that your head is cracked. At that point, you'll have three options.

RAY: Option one is to buy a used head. Then the whole job will run you about $1,500, since there's a lot of work to be done prepping a used head for installation.

TOM: Option two is to buy a used engine. Believe it or not, that would cost about the same. You've already disconnected most of the stuff to pull off the head. And it's such a simple job on this truck that even after you pay a few hundred bucks for a used engine, you'll still get out for about $1,500, maybe a little less.

RAY: And if you go that route, you'd also be smart to replace the clutch while the engine is removed. The extra labor at that point is trivial, and for a few hundred bucks more, you'll walk away with a brand-new clutch, too. 

TOM: Option three is to turn to the mechanic and say, "Hey Frank, any chance you still want to buy this?"

RAY: So see if it's the head gasket. If it's not, I'd put a used engine in it. Then you'll be stylin', Mel.

 

 

John in GJ

The 22RE engine in this truck (the only 4 cylinder available in the US trucks in 1993 if I'm not mistaken) is renown for blowing the head gasket between the #4 cylinder and the water jacket. I've had two Toyota trucks with this engine, a 1986 and a 1994, and both had this same problem; others I've known with the 22RE ran into this problem as well. And the symptoms described sound consistent with my experience, and the mileage is about right or even a bit high for when this usually occurs.

One note: don't let the truck sit while waiting to get it fixed, run it every day enough to blow the coolant out of the cylinder. If you let it sit the piston rings can rust to the cylinder wall due to the coolant just sitting in the cylinder.

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cwatkin

You might take the spark plugs out making sure not to mix them up and see if any look really clean compared to the others. Leaking coolant into the cylinders tends to clean up surfaces really nicely from the steam. Also shine a light or a scope down through the spark plug holes. Do you see carbon or is it shiny clean metal? The impacted cylinder(s) will likely be clean if it is a head gasket or similar leaking. Also WHEN COLD ONLY, pull the radiator cap and let it run. See if bubbles start to come up out of the radiator cap. IF so, you DEFINITELY have a leak somewhere.

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bluewater

I have had 3 blown gaskets in my time. 1 on a Chevy and 2 on Toyotas. On the Chevy. Oil and water mixed. The oil level kept increasing and it turned gray. On the Yotas coolant blew out the radiator with the cap removed and they both idled rough (missed) and could not be driven . Wouldn't this situation present some of these conditions which would negate the need to pull the head to look at the gasket?

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hyhybt

Be glad it's not an Oldsmobile diesel; my grandfather had one and had to replace head gaskets almost as often as changing the oil.

 

 



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