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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Cleveland Cop Took Seconds To Decide To Kill 12-Year-Old Tamir Rice

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

It's hard to see with the car in the way.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It is but I don't you think they could have pulled up and assessed the situation before firing?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
It is but I don't you think they could have pulled up and assessed the situation before firing?

I agree. There is fail all around on this one.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well that is the thing with Ferguson. The Media and Jesse Jackson try to make a case fit facts of police brutality or overreach when it doesn't. And, instead ignore very real cases where the Police actions are questionable. Why?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well that is the thing with Ferguson. The Media and Jesse Jackson try to make a case fit facts of police brutality or overreach when it doesn't. And, instead ignore very real cases where the Police actions are questionable. Why?

It makes no sense.

huskerbb · Guru

I think that police departments need better training and procedures.

This kid was alone. He was presenting no immediate threat to anyone.

Why the immediate confrontation? Why not observe for a minute or two from the relative safety of the car?

I can't really fault the police for having to make a split second determination on whether the gun was real or not--but I do think that police resort to deadly force FAR too often when it is not required. You can't take that back.

This rookie cop probably won't be charged--but it will be a stain on his career, and even if he stays on the force, he'll have to live with it for the rest of his life.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Police need to use NONLETHAL ways to stop or immobilize. Yes, a taser may be fatal. But, it is generally a lot less fatal then a gunshot.

ed11563 · Guru

The pistol the kid was carrying LOOKED like a real gun

and the orange tip that's required on ALL toy guns wasn't orange.

Did the parents know the kid was out side with this pistol?

ed11563 · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Police need to use NONLETHAL ways to stop or immobilize. Yes, a taser may be fatal. But, it is generally a lot less fatal then a gunshot.

He was too far away for a taser to reach him, but if he'd had a REAL gun, the cops were in range of it.

And one big problem with a taser is, it's a single shot weapon. Miss the first time, it's done until it's reloaded.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

OK, what if he DID have a real gun? There was no one around. Was it necessary to IMMEDIATELY shoot him dead?

huskerbb · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
The pistol the kid was carrying LOOKED like a real gun
and the orange tip that's required on ALL toy guns wasn't orange.

Did the parents know the kid was out side with this pistol?

So we should shoot all kids that are outside playing with toy guns?

NONE of the kids in my class would have survived childhood if that is the standard.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yeah, how about a little common sense?

ed11563 · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
The pistol the kid was carrying LOOKED like a real gun
and the orange tip that's required on ALL toy guns wasn't orange.

Did the parents know the kid was out side with this pistol?
So we should shoot all kids that are outside playing with toy guns?
NONE of the kids in my class would have survived childhood if that is the standard.

Were they playing with guns that looked exactly like the real ones?

At this point in time, the cops have to look for the orange tip at the end of the barrel, which indicates that it's a toy.

This one didn't have it.

It's not like he was aiming a Pop Tart at them.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

huskerbb wrote:
I think that police departments need better training and procedures.

This kid was alone. He was presenting no immediate threat to anyone.

Why the immediate confrontation? Why not observe for a minute or two from the relative safety of the car?

I can't really fault the police for having to make a split second determination on whether the gun was real or not--but I do think that police resort to deadly force FAR too often when it is not required. You can't take that back.

This rookie cop probably won't be charged--but it will be a stain on his career, and even if he stays on the force, he'll have to live with it for the rest of his life.

It was a playground with kids there, you and I were not there. Perhaps the cops were thinking of all the other kids' safety?

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Police need to use NONLETHAL ways to stop or immobilize. Yes, a taser may be fatal. But, it is generally a lot less fatal then a gunshot.

I am so on board with this.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I was talking about this (and Ferguson) with DS1.

He said that the boy had removed the orange tip.

No, that doesn't mean that he deserved to die...

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I don't know.

How big is this 12 year old?

What did the BB gun look like?

The article said he WAS pointing it at people.

I have NO PROBLEM with BB guns. I have no problem with a 12 year old having a real gun.

Time and place seems to be the issue here.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

flan327 wrote:
I was talking about this (and Ferguson) with DS1.

He said that the boy had removed the orange tip.

No, that doesn't mean that he deserved to die...

flan

No he didn't deserve to die, but he did because it looked as though he had a real gun on a play ground where other children were. I don't understand why people don't or won't get that. I live in an area where guns are not scary, very much every day life. Bit I would not allow my child to take a real looking gun off our property, certainly not to a playground. People have to understand the scenario, This kid was in a playground with little kids.

huskerbb · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I think that police departments need better training and procedures.

This kid was alone. He was presenting no immediate threat to anyone.

Why the immediate confrontation? Why not observe for a minute or two from the relative safety of the car?

I can't really fault the police for having to make a split second determination on whether the gun was real or not--but I do think that police resort to deadly force FAR too often when it is not required. You can't take that back.

This rookie cop probably won't be charged--but it will be a stain on his career, and even if he stays on the force, he'll have to live with it for the rest of his life.
It was a playground with kids there, you and I were not there. Perhaps the cops were thinking of all the other kids' safety?

Then firing a weapon is not really thinking of that.

burns07 · Guru

the officers responded correctly--you aren't required to let yourself be shot in the line of duty--the weapon doesn't know if it's being held by a twelve-year old, a woman, a grown man, etc.--and the officer would be just as dead

huskerbb · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I was talking about this (and Ferguson) with DS1.

He said that the boy had removed the orange tip.

No, that doesn't mean that he deserved to die...

flan
No he didn't deserve to die, but he did because it looked as though he had a real gun on a play ground where other children were. I don't understand why people don't or won't get that. I live in an area where guns are not scary, very much every day life. Bit I would not allow my child to take a real looking gun off our property, certainly not to a playground. People have to understand the scenario, This kid was in a playground with little kids.

And that's ridiculous. Kids should be able to play with their toys outside without fear of getting shot.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So we should immediately shoot everyone carrying a gun? I grew up in rural Pa. Men walked thru town carrying hunting rifles. And what about 2nd amendment rights? Anyone simply carrying a gun is a threat? This is why the media doesn't pickup this story. Then the cops can simply shoot eeveryone with a visible weapon.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

burns07 wrote:

the officers responded correctly--you aren't required to let yourself be shot in the line of duty--the weapon doesn't know if it's being held by a twelve-year old, a woman, a grown man, etc.--and the officer would be just as dead

So they can mow down anyone and claim fear? What danger were they in? There was no gun other than a BB gun.

huskerbb · Guru

burns07 wrote:

the officers responded correctly--you aren't required to let yourself be shot in the line of duty--the weapon doesn't know if it's being held by a twelve-year old, a woman, a grown man, etc.--and the officer would be just as dead

How would the officer be "dead"??? It was not a real gun.

There was no immediate threat to anyone and no reason for an immediate confrontation.

burns07 · Guru

we weren't there--they had been informed via a 911 dispatch that the kid was armed--if you've seen photos of the weapon, it's a pretty genuine replica of the real thing--minus the red tip, of course--were they quick to react ? yes but if it had indeed been a real weapon, pretty decent chance ( given the range ) that one or both of them would have / could have been shot--a close call either way

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ok so lets look at this another way.

2 kids were shot today by a 12 year old on their neighborhood playground. Officers responding to a 9-1-1 call arrived and watched from their car for a few minutes to assess the situation. The officers said they saw a man on the playground with what looked like a hand gun but wanted to wait a minute to see what he would do. That is when the shooter fired his weapon hitting one. The officers then made their out of the car and attempted to get close enough to use the stun gun but before they could the shooter fired again. That is when the officers decided to take drastic action and shoot the shooter.

So there is a scenario. What about that report?

The very first thing any of you saying "they could have waited" would want to know why they waited.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

burns07 wrote:

we weren't there--they had been informed via a 911 dispatch that the kid was armed--if you've seen photos of the weapon, it's a pretty genuine replica of the real thing--minus the red tip, of course--were they quick to react ? yes but if it had indeed been a real weapon, pretty decent chance ( given the range ) that one or both of them would have / could have been shot--a close call either way

So what if someone is " armed"? Is it illegal to carry a gun?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I don't care what the Police " thought". He was breaking no law. They could have parked a distance and talked to him with a bull horn. They gave him no chance at all.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Ok Lilly then they should shoot everyone immediately in every situation because you never know.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

that isn't what I said.

But I am pointing out that you nor I have ever been in that situation and we have no right to say what they should or shouldn't do in them. You want them there unless you don't. Then you don't want them to do anything until you want them to.

They are there to serve and protect the greater good.

Why is this 12 year old out with a bb gun in a park. Any parent would know that is not the place to have one.

I am sorry this child died. I am not going to say the police at the bad guys.

huskerbb · Guru

burns07 wrote:

we weren't there--they had been informed via a 911 dispatch that the kid was armed--if you've seen photos of the weapon, it's a pretty genuine replica of the real thing--minus the red tip, of course--were they quick to react ? yes but if it had indeed been a real weapon, pretty decent chance ( given the range ) that one or both of them would have / could have been shot--a close call either way

So it's illegal to carry a gun? Is that the new standard? Everyone who has a weapon should be shot?

Maybe a 12 year old shouldn't have a real gun--and he DIDN'T--but it's a RIDICULOUS standard to say that everyone who carries a gun should be shot.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

12 yr olds can't carry a bb gun? I had a bb gun.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Common sense is not very common these days.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
12 yr olds can't carry a bb gun? I had a bb gun.

Me, too. I even had it around other kids. In fact, they had BB guns, too.

Heck, by the time I was 12, I had a real gun. My kids did, also.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I would expect cops to have common sense.

msrock · Guru

You know what? I would not want to be a police officer. That kid was waving the gun around and pointing it at people before the police were called. They had no clue what they were dealing with. Unfortunately a kid is dead. An out of control, dumb kid. I hate to say it, but his actions had consequences and in this case it was death. I can't fault the officer.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I had guns too at 12. I have no problem with guns.

But there is a difference in having one on the way to the woods or in your yard or something like that and being in a park with kids around pointing it at people.

msrock · Guru

I have to tell you that I live in a very nice community 30 miles north of Cleveland and 9 guns have been stolen by high school kids in my city. 7 of them have been recovered with the serial numbers sawed off. 2 are still missing. Many homes and cars have been broken into. Yeah, I take this seriously and so do the police. 2 guns are still out there in the hands of kids. This is close to home for me. My youngest son is currently sitting in the juvenile detention center and he needs to be there. It breaks my heart to say that but it is what it is. Happy Thanksgiving!

msrock · Guru

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ed11563 · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
burns07 wrote:

the officers responded correctly--you aren't required to let yourself be shot in the line of duty--the weapon doesn't know if it's being held by a twelve-year old, a woman, a grown man, etc.--and the officer would be just as dead
So they can mow down anyone and claim fear? What danger were they in? There was no gun other than a BB gun.

Explain to me how the officers could have known it was a bb gun, not a 9mm automatic?

It did NOT have the orange tip at the end of the barrel. It LOOKED exactly like the 9mm automatic.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Pellet guns and CO2 guns do not have orange tips. Neither do BB guns Ed.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

msrock wrote:

What law was broken?

msrock · Guru

Being a threat. Waving a gun around and pointing it people. They asked him to put it down and he didn't. He got shot. He could have just put it down and he would be alive. That's on him.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

They didn't give him time to do squat.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

When someone starts yelling at you it takes some time to process what they are saying. He was 12. He probably didn't know what to do

msrock · Guru

Even my delinquent kid figured it out. Surrender. He didn't do that.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

He did not have a second to do that.

msrock · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
When someone starts yelling at you it takes some time to process what they are saying. He was 12. He probably didn't know what to do

He's a menace to society. Authority means nothing to him. Normal people get it. Police don't got time to analyze like you do on a message board.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

They shot him within 2 SECONDS of pulling in. A 12 yr old kid who was confused when the cop pulled up screaming and did not react quickly enough in less than 2 sec deserved to be executed for what exactly?