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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Why So Many Men Coaching Girls Teams?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It even pisses me off more in college. Where are the new Pat Summits or Cheryl Reeves supposed to come from?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

There are female coaches in NBA. I remember the big story about it this past summer.

I don't see what the problem is.

There are other things to be upset about. Who coaches a team doesn't even register on my radar.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
OK, flame on. But, last night we went to the Tip Off Tournament for High School Basketball. And, it used to be that most girls' teams had female coaches. I don't have a problem having some male coaches. And, our Varsity girls coach is male. However, there are mostly female coaches in our system and assistant female varsity coaches. The other girls teams had NO female coaches. And, yeah, maybe nobody wanted to do it, blah, blah. I don't buy it. There are lots of talented women who just want a chance. And, are we going to turn that into the all boys' club now too? How are women SUPPOSED to move up through the ranks if they Good Old Boys club dominates even the grade school and High School levels?
And, if women were ever allowed to coach boys teams, then fine. But, you don't see that at all. And, it isn't for lack of knowledgeable women. They are just not given the chance. Occasionaly I will see women coaching tee ball or maybe very small elementary kids but not past that.

RANT OVER. FLAME SUIT ON!!

No. Most high school coaches used to be men. There are many more female coaches now than there used to be--which is following a trend of the teaching profession becoming much more female oriented.

Sure, a few locales may coincidentally have more male coaches at the moment--but that is not remotely any sort of national trend.

karl271 · Guru

I am with Husker on this. To the best of my knowledge most high school coaches were men. At my school the Girls Phys Ed teacher was a woman but she did not coach anything....

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

This is DH's field. He is a professional coach. I can tell you a few of the reasons:

-- there are more girls' college programs than you realize. Title 9 ensured that there are a comparable number of female programs to men's. This means that there are a lot of jobs available.

-- there are NOT a lot of quality applicants at the high school level, because if they want to break into the college game, the openings are available and they move up. They don't stay coaching high school forever.

-- women are preferred at the college level to coach women's teams. It's required that a female travel with a female team on the road, they hire a female coach to save money. So if a coach is any good, she moves to that level instead of staying in high school ball.

-- Women who play college ball and want to move into coaching, graduate and become an assistant coach at a college program. They do not have to start out in high school ball. They get to skip grades as it were. So it's harder to find knowledgeable coaches for the younger teams.

-- in college, the hours are long, and there is significant time away from home. Many women coaches don't last very long because they opt out to have a family or for work-life balance. Men tend to not be the primary care taker of the kids at home, and so they have more flexibility. It is rare for a female coach to have a family and stay in the college game. Very rare. Most quit within the first few years of starting a family.

There are a lot of female coaches. They just aren't highlighted because it isn't an oddity anymore.

Divine Geek · Guru

The boy varsity basketball couch here is a woman

That's all I got

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Divine Geek wrote:
The boy varsity basketball couch here is a woman

That's all I got

Good to hear!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
This is DH's field. He is a professional coach. I can tell you a few of the reasons:

-- there are more girls' college programs than you realize. Title 9 ensured that there are a comparable number of female programs to men's. This means that there are a lot of jobs available.

-- there are NOT a lot of quality applicants at the high school level, because if they want to break into the college game, the openings are available and they move up. They don't stay coaching high school forever.

-- women are preferred at the college level to coach women's teams. It's required that a female travel with a female team on the road, they hire a female coach to save money. So if a coach is any good, she moves to that level instead of staying in high school ball.

-- Women who play college ball and want to move into coaching, graduate and become an assistant coach at a college program. They do not have to start out in high school ball. They get to skip grades as it were. So it's harder to find knowledgeable coaches for the younger teams.

-- in college, the hours are long, and there is significant time away from home. Many women coaches don't last very long because they opt out to have a family or for work-life balance. Men tend to not be the primary care taker of the kids at home, and so they have more flexibility. It is rare for a female coach to have a family and stay in the college game. Very rare. Most quit within the first few years of starting a family.

There are a lot of female coaches. They just aren't highlighted because it isn't an oddity anymore.

Uh huh. Sounds like the same old same old. Women will just want to go off and get married and have babies so why hire them!

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Out of all those things I stated that's all you got out of it?!?!

Wow.

And DH's professional organization has studied the issue. Those were the findings published in a peer reviewed journal. So it isn't "same old same old" if those are the actual reasons given by actual women coaches studied for the article.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I agree with Mellow Momma. I just don't think sports are as important to as many women as they are to men. I wouldn't take a job that made me travel that much while my kids are young, so I can't expect other women to.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I am not expecting "other women too". I am expecting that women who want to coach and can coach get the opportunity. Sheesh.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I like traveling. I am traveling to tournaments with my 5th graders. Lots of coaches like doing travel team. Even Gasp SOME WOMEN.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I am not expecting "other women too". I am expecting that women who want to coach and can coach get the opportunity. Sheesh.

But you are assuming there are that many women that want it in the first place.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I am not expecting "other women too". I am expecting that women who want to coach and can coach get the opportunity. Sheesh.
But you are assuming there are that many women that want it in the first place.

Read my post. Those women ARE getting the opportunity! At a high level. Sometimes at the expense of more qualified men because colleges hire by gender. The women who want to coach ARE coaching. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes, I am . There are lots of women that like to coach. You are assuming that there aren't women who DO want to coach and there are.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I am not expecting "other women too". I am expecting that women who want to coach and can coach get the opportunity. Sheesh.
But you are assuming there are that many women that want it in the first place.
Read my post. Those women ARE getting the opportunity! At a high level. Sometimes at the expense of more qualified men because colleges hire by gender. The women who want to coach ARE coaching. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Well, I live in a small town and there is still a pretty big small town mentality here.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Yes, I am . There are lots of women that like to coach. You are assuming that there aren't women who DO want to coach and there are.

I do not believe there are as many as you think.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

You are wrong.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I like traveling. I am traveling to tournaments with my 5th graders. Lots of coaches like doing travel team. Even Gasp SOME WOMEN.

Traveling with your 5th grade team and coaching a travel team are vastly different experiences than traveling with a college team. You are comparing two things that have virtually nothing in common.

Coaching college means eats you will not be home most weeks for 4-5 days a week, including over the weekend. College travel isn't just to the next town over. You travel by plane or LONG bus ride (up to 12 hours by bus sometimes) to the destination and stay there for a day or two before the game. Then play the game, then sometimes stay the night if the game is over late, Then travel back the next day. Road trips lasting 3 days are the minimum, 4-5 are more normal. This is every week. no matter whose birthday it is, no matter what family member has a wedding you want to attend. It's your job and you can't take a day off to attend to personal matters. Plus, because you worked the weekend...you still go into the office Monday - Friday that week. DH often works about 3-4 months without a single day off. Not. A. Single. Day. Off.

So that sounds about the he same same as your 5th grade travel team, right?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
You are wrong.

Pray tell, where are all these women? There must be forums and support groups - I'm assuming lawsuits, too.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I like traveling. I am traveling to tournaments with my 5th graders. Lots of coaches like doing travel team. Even Gasp SOME WOMEN.
Traveling with your 5th grade team and coaching a travel team are vastly different experiences than traveling with a college team. You are comparing two things that have virtually nothing in common.

Coaching college means eats you will not be home most weeks for 4-5 days a week, including over the weekend. College travel isn't just to the next town over. You travel by plane or LONG bus ride (up to 12 hours by bus sometimes) to the destination and stay there for a day or two before the game. Then play the game, then sometimes stay the night if the game is over late, Then travel back the next day. Road trips lasting 3 days are the minimum, 4-5 are more normal. This is every week. no matter whose birthday it is, no matter what family member has a wedding you want to attend. It's your job and you can't take a day off to attend to personal matters. Plus, because you worked the weekend...you still go into the office Monday - Friday that week. DH often works about 3-4 months without a single day off. Not. A. Single. Day. Off.

So that sounds about the he same same as your 5th grade travel team, right?

That sounds like a nightmare. Sympathy to you and your husband.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

No, not at all. I am in no way comparing the two. Don't get so touchy. Sheesh. I know a lot of great male coaches. My dd's varsity coach is male and an awesome coach.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I like traveling. I am traveling to tournaments with my 5th graders. Lots of coaches like doing travel team. Even Gasp SOME WOMEN.
Traveling with your 5th grade team and coaching a travel team are vastly different experiences than traveling with a college team. You are comparing two things that have virtually nothing in common.

Coaching college means eats you will not be home most weeks for 4-5 days a week, including over the weekend. College travel isn't just to the next town over. You travel by plane or LONG bus ride (up to 12 hours by bus sometimes) to the destination and stay there for a day or two before the game. Then play the game, then sometimes stay the night if the game is over late, Then travel back the next day. Road trips lasting 3 days are the minimum, 4-5 are more normal. This is every week. no matter whose birthday it is, no matter what family member has a wedding you want to attend. It's your job and you can't take a day off to attend to personal matters. Plus, because you worked the weekend...you still go into the office Monday - Friday that week. DH often works about 3-4 months without a single day off. Not. A. Single. Day. Off.

So that sounds about the he same same as your 5th grade travel team, right?
That sounds like a nightmare. Sympathy to you and your husband.

It's only a "nightmare" if you choose it to be. Some people actually enjoy that LL.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I am not expecting "other women too". I am expecting that women who want to coach and can coach get the opportunity. Sheesh.
But you are assuming there are that many women that want it in the first place.
Read my post. Those women ARE getting the opportunity! At a high level. Sometimes at the expense of more qualified men because colleges hire by gender. The women who want to coach ARE coaching. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Well, I live in a small town and there is still a pretty big small town mentality here.

So your actual point is that in your small town, there are not a lot of women coaches. That I can believe. It may be that the talented women in your area have moved on. It may be that the people who hire coaches are sexist and don't think a woman can do the job. There could be a lot of reasons. But what you see in your small town is not indicative of a national trend. It's just your small town experience. Most things that happen in a small town are not indicative to what happens nationally.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

But, maybe LL is right. If you think it is soooo bad and grueling then why is he doing it?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I am not expecting "other women too". I am expecting that women who want to coach and can coach get the opportunity. Sheesh.
But you are assuming there are that many women that want it in the first place.
Read my post. Those women ARE getting the opportunity! At a high level. Sometimes at the expense of more qualified men because colleges hire by gender. The women who want to coach ARE coaching. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Well, I live in a small town and there is still a pretty big small town mentality here.
So your actual point is that in your small town, there are not a lot of women coaches. That I can believe. It may be that the talented women in your area have moved on. It may be that the people who hire coaches are sexist and don't think a woman can do the job. There could be a lot of reasons. But what you see in your small town is not indicative of a national trend. It's just your small town experience. Most things that happen in a small town are not indicative to what happens nationally.

Perhaps. But, I don't think that "cities" are the Be All and End all that they think they are either. So, yeah.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
No, not at all. I am in no way comparing the two. Don't get so touchy. Sheesh. I know a lot of great male coaches. My dd's varsity coach is male and an awesome coach.

You are saying that because you enjoy coaching travel, and because other women enjoy coaching travel more women should be coaching at a higner level. In fact, more women ARE coaching at a higher level. And those other experiences are in no way comparable.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I like traveling. I am traveling to tournaments with my 5th graders. Lots of coaches like doing travel team. Even Gasp SOME WOMEN.
Traveling with your 5th grade team and coaching a travel team are vastly different experiences than traveling with a college team. You are comparing two things that have virtually nothing in common.

Coaching college means eats you will not be home most weeks for 4-5 days a week, including over the weekend. College travel isn't just to the next town over. You travel by plane or LONG bus ride (up to 12 hours by bus sometimes) to the destination and stay there for a day or two before the game. Then play the game, then sometimes stay the night if the game is over late, Then travel back the next day. Road trips lasting 3 days are the minimum, 4-5 are more normal. This is every week. no matter whose birthday it is, no matter what family member has a wedding you want to attend. It's your job and you can't take a day off to attend to personal matters. Plus, because you worked the weekend...you still go into the office Monday - Friday that week. DH often works about 3-4 months without a single day off. Not. A. Single. Day. Off.

So that sounds about the he same same as your 5th grade travel team, right?

Um it's only your JOB if you choose it to be your JOB. Lots of jobs have difficult work hours, sooooo sorry I can't find my kleenexes on that one.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
No, not at all. I am in no way comparing the two. Don't get so touchy. Sheesh. I know a lot of great male coaches. My dd's varsity coach is male and an awesome coach.
You are saying that because you enjoy coaching travel, and because other women enjoy coaching travel more women should be coaching at a higner level. In fact, more women ARE coaching at a higher level. And those other experiences are in no way comparable.

It doesn't sound like your husband is enjoying it so maybe he should quit and let some female do it who WANTS to, lol. biggrin

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
But, maybe LL is right. If you think it is soooo bad and grueling then why is he doing it?

It is taxing. But I never said we hated it. I never said it was impossible. I said it wasn't what you thought it was.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I like traveling. I am traveling to tournaments with my 5th graders. Lots of coaches like doing travel team. Even Gasp SOME WOMEN.
Traveling with your 5th grade team and coaching a travel team are vastly different experiences than traveling with a college team. You are comparing two things that have virtually nothing in common.

Coaching college means eats you will not be home most weeks for 4-5 days a week, including over the weekend. College travel isn't just to the next town over. You travel by plane or LONG bus ride (up to 12 hours by bus sometimes) to the destination and stay there for a day or two before the game. Then play the game, then sometimes stay the night if the game is over late, Then travel back the next day. Road trips lasting 3 days are the minimum, 4-5 are more normal. This is every week. no matter whose birthday it is, no matter what family member has a wedding you want to attend. It's your job and you can't take a day off to attend to personal matters. Plus, because you worked the weekend...you still go into the office Monday - Friday that week. DH often works about 3-4 months without a single day off. Not. A. Single. Day. Off.

So that sounds about the he same same as your 5th grade travel team, right?
That sounds like a nightmare. Sympathy to you and your husband.
It's only a "nightmare" if you choose it to be. Some people actually enjoy that LL.

I assume so, since they do it. I would think they have to to put up with that schedule. But, how many mothers would want that schedule? Would YOU have wanted to be away from your kids that much?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So, is it a victim story or not? I can't tell?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I like traveling. I am traveling to tournaments with my 5th graders. Lots of coaches like doing travel team. Even Gasp SOME WOMEN.
Traveling with your 5th grade team and coaching a travel team are vastly different experiences than traveling with a college team. You are comparing two things that have virtually nothing in common.

Coaching college means eats you will not be home most weeks for 4-5 days a week, including over the weekend. College travel isn't just to the next town over. You travel by plane or LONG bus ride (up to 12 hours by bus sometimes) to the destination and stay there for a day or two before the game. Then play the game, then sometimes stay the night if the game is over late, Then travel back the next day. Road trips lasting 3 days are the minimum, 4-5 are more normal. This is every week. no matter whose birthday it is, no matter what family member has a wedding you want to attend. It's your job and you can't take a day off to attend to personal matters. Plus, because you worked the weekend...you still go into the office Monday - Friday that week. DH often works about 3-4 months without a single day off. Not. A. Single. Day. Off.

So that sounds about the he same same as your 5th grade travel team, right?
That sounds like a nightmare. Sympathy to you and your husband.
It's only a "nightmare" if you choose it to be. Some people actually enjoy that LL.
I assume so, since they do it. I would think they have to to put up with that schedule. But, how many mothers would want that schedule? Would YOU have wanted to be away from your kids that much?

Lots of coaches are coaching their own kids too LL. So, yes I would love to coach and travel DD.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I like traveling. I am traveling to tournaments with my 5th graders. Lots of coaches like doing travel team. Even Gasp SOME WOMEN.
Traveling with your 5th grade team and coaching a travel team are vastly different experiences than traveling with a college team. You are comparing two things that have virtually nothing in common.

Coaching college means eats you will not be home most weeks for 4-5 days a week, including over the weekend. College travel isn't just to the next town over. You travel by plane or LONG bus ride (up to 12 hours by bus sometimes) to the destination and stay there for a day or two before the game. Then play the game, then sometimes stay the night if the game is over late, Then travel back the next day. Road trips lasting 3 days are the minimum, 4-5 are more normal. This is every week. no matter whose birthday it is, no matter what family member has a wedding you want to attend. It's your job and you can't take a day off to attend to personal matters. Plus, because you worked the weekend...you still go into the office Monday - Friday that week. DH often works about 3-4 months without a single day off. Not. A. Single. Day. Off.

So that sounds about the he same same as your 5th grade travel team, right?
That sounds like a nightmare. Sympathy to you and your husband.
It's only a "nightmare" if you choose it to be. Some people actually enjoy that LL.
I assume so, since they do it. I would think they have to to put up with that schedule. But, how many mothers would want that schedule? Would YOU have wanted to be away from your kids that much?

Well, I dont' know why any woman would want to be a lawyer either. Reading all that legal-ease would make your head spin. biggrin

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

I never asked for sympathy. I never said we hated it. I never said my life was miserable. I just stated what happens. Period. You read into it much more than you should. All I did was explain the travel portion of the job. You are the one who started in about sympathy and kleenex for some reason.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I like traveling. I am traveling to tournaments with my 5th graders. Lots of coaches like doing travel team. Even Gasp SOME WOMEN.
Traveling with your 5th grade team and coaching a travel team are vastly different experiences than traveling with a college team. You are comparing two things that have virtually nothing in common.

Coaching college means eats you will not be home most weeks for 4-5 days a week, including over the weekend. College travel isn't just to the next town over. You travel by plane or LONG bus ride (up to 12 hours by bus sometimes) to the destination and stay there for a day or two before the game. Then play the game, then sometimes stay the night if the game is over late, Then travel back the next day. Road trips lasting 3 days are the minimum, 4-5 are more normal. This is every week. no matter whose birthday it is, no matter what family member has a wedding you want to attend. It's your job and you can't take a day off to attend to personal matters. Plus, because you worked the weekend...you still go into the office Monday - Friday that week. DH often works about 3-4 months without a single day off. Not. A. Single. Day. Off.

So that sounds about the he same same as your 5th grade travel team, right?
That sounds like a nightmare. Sympathy to you and your husband.
It's only a "nightmare" if you choose it to be. Some people actually enjoy that LL.
I assume so, since they do it. I would think they have to to put up with that schedule. But, how many mothers would want that schedule? Would YOU have wanted to be away from your kids that much?
Lots of coaches are coaching their own kids too LL. So, yes I would love to coach and travel DD.

As a baby, Gaga - before she played sports. Would you have wanted to coach college sports and travel that much while your young children stayed at home without you?

And just FYI - our girls soccer team has a male coach because there was no female teacher willing to do it.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

If that was my JOB, then yes, then that is my job. Not sure what is so tough to understand about that. Many women travel and do all kinds of jobs. And, coaching is often as much of a calling and passion. But, if you think women are incapable of that, then I won't argue with you.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

I think Gaga knows she is mistaken and is just arguing to argue. I posted on this thread because I actually have some experience and could share some insight into the OP. That will teach me.

I didn't ask for sympathy,I was not complaining. I was explaining one portion of the job in a factual manner. Why you took that to be a cry for sympathy I will never know. I was trying to illustrate why women, the primary care takers for the family in most cases, would find it difficult to juggle work and life.

I won't be posting on this thread anymore.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
I never asked for sympathy. I never said we hated it. I never said my life was miserable. I just stated what happens. Period. You read into it much more than you should. All I did was explain the travel portion of the job. You are the one who started in about sympathy and kleenex for some reason.

I know what "happens". I understand it isn't a 9-5 job. That isn't something I am unaware of. I am just saying the same kind of arguments have been used about why women probably "don't want" to be doctors or anything else that isn't a "female" job and conducive to family life.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I never asked for sympathy. I never said we hated it. I never said my life was miserable. I just stated what happens. Period. You read into it much more than you should. All I did was explain the travel portion of the job. You are the one who started in about sympathy and kleenex for some reason.
I know what "happens". I understand it isn't a 9-5 job. That isn't something I am unaware of. I am just saying the same kind of arguments have been used about why women probably "don't want" to be doctors or anything else that isn't a "female" job and conducive to family life.

And yet there are lots of female doctors, lawyers, etc. and there are more with every graduating class.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
I think Gaga knows she is mistaken and is just arguing to argue. I posted on this thread because I actually have some experience and could share some insight into the OP. That will teach me.

I didn't ask for sympathy,I was not complaining. I was explaining one portion of the job in a factual manner. Why you took that to be a cry for sympathy I will never know. I was trying to illustrate why women, the primary care takers for the family in most cases, would find it difficult to juggle work and life.

I won't be posting on this thread anymore.

I'm sorry I gave you sympathy when you didn't ask for it. I didn't know it would be used against you. wink

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
If that was my JOB, then yes, then that is my job. Not sure what is so tough to understand about that. Many women travel and do all kinds of jobs. And, coaching is often as much of a calling and passion. But, if you think women are incapable of that, then I won't argue with you.

You are seriously in a mood to twist and argue this morning, aren't you. Nobody said anything about women being incapable of doing it - they said they very well may not WANT to do it. Women have choices and make them for all sorts of reasons, who are you to question them or say they are not good enough?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Sooo, the ones that don't want too, Don't. Not so sure what is unclear about that. And, you can't make choices if you aren't given the opportunity to make choices now can you?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Sooo, the ones that don't want too, Don't. Not so sure what is unclear about that. And, you can't make choices if you aren't given the opportunity to make choices now can you?

So, where are all these complaining women about the lack of opportunity for coaching? This is just you complaining you don't see them, which means nothing.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

No, women don't apply because what is the point of even trying? If you squash people long enough, they don't even apply. Do you think ANY women would ever have a prayer to apply to coach a boys' team? It is a rare rarity.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
No, women don't apply because what is the point of even trying? If you squash people long enough, they don't even apply. Do you think ANY women would ever have a prayer to apply to coach a boys' team? It is a rare rarity.

And how do you know this, oh great one? You have insight into all thoughts and reasoning of women who choose not to apply for coaching jobs?

You are just making it up. I told her that here no female teacher was WILLING to coach the girls soccer team, and you ignored that b/c it didn't fit with what you think.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

If there was no female soccer coach, then there are no women anywhere who want to coach. Oh ok. hmm

-- Edited by Lady Gaga Snerd on Monday 8th of December 2014 11:16:13 AM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
If there was no female soccer coach, then there are no women anywhere who want to coach. Oh ok.

-- Edited by Lady Gaga Snerd on Monday 8th of December 2014 11:16:13 AM

Same reasoning as "there are not enough women coaches to please me so they must be oppressed".

Divine Geek · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
No, women don't apply because what is the point of even trying? If you squash people long enough, they don't even apply. Do you think ANY women would ever have a prayer to apply to coach a boys' team? It is a rare rarity.

I already stated that the high school boys varsity head coach here is a woman.

using your logic, I should be asking why more parents aren't given the opportunity to coach. Why is it that other adults (like me) are coaching the kids? It's unfair to the parents, right?

the answer is no. adults like me are coaching because the parents dont step up to. It's the same reason you don't see more female coaches, they didn't go for the job.

Eta: fixed spelling

-- Edited by Divine Geek on Monday 8th of December 2014 11:46:11 AM