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Are Parents Obliged to Pay for College?

Strangely, it may depend on whether they’re divorced.

 
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Can a young adult force her parents to pay for the cost of her college education?

Maybe, but fair warning: If you try, you might be met with death threats. Just ask Caitlyn Ricci, who has wrung $16,000 out of her divorced mom and dad and has inspired broad outrage in suddenly nervous parents and throughout the Internet. That’s how much a New Jersey trial judge recently commanded the couple to cough up toward Caitlyn’s costs for attending Philadelphia’s Temple University.

Everyone has a visceral reaction to this case, and it’s easy to see why. First, there are the lurid details of this story. Caitlyn left her mother’s house early last year. Whether she was kicked out or decided to leave is disputed, but the next time either parent heard from her was several months later, when they were hauled into court. In the meantime, she’d been taken in by her paternal grandparents, who are funding the lawsuit. (Not surprisingly, Caitlyn’s dad, Michael Ricci, has “zero respect” for his parents.) Oh, and Caitlyn’s lawsuit also demanded that her parents help her pay for a new car. (Denied.) There’s also the small matter of some $906 that Caitlyn claims was supposed to have been paid to her last year, a number that the parents dispute. That’s the subject of another upcoming hearing. Get the popcorn.

Should it matter that there were cheaper schools available?

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But the story raises deeper issues. What obligations should parents have once children reach the age of majority? With the costs of college rising to absurd levels, should parents who can afford to kick in some cash be forced to do so? And if so, should it matter that there were cheaper schools available? Should the law care whether the family is intact? (It does, as we’ll see.) And should the undeniable fact that the parents and the young adult are estranged from each other affect the obligation?

Some background will be helpful. Fathers—and, more recently, mothers—have long had an enforceable duty to support their kids during childhood. But with the exception of disabled children, that obligation usually ceases at the age of majority. Until recently, 21 was that age. But things changed—problematically for college students—when the 26th Amendment was ratified in 1971. By terms, the law only lowered the voting age to 18—but as a practical matter, it led to making 18- to 20-year-olds adults for all purposes (except for drinking and running for federal offices, which may or may not be connected).

The law zipped through the ratification process in record time (three months!), so presumably state legislators gave little thought to the possible impact on parental obligations. But the amendment came at a bad time for students who wanted support for their higher education: The number of 18- to 24-year-olds attending college more than doubled from 1970 to 2010. The upshot: Parental obligations ceased just as the need for post-secondary education took hold as a national norm.

So why shouldn’t parents have to pony up what they can? Isn’t doing so a good investment, and a better way to help your kids than the historically common way of doing so—through inheritance?

Maybe, yet states have held firm to the rule that the obligation to support your kids ends at the age of majority, whatever that happens to be. Unless, that is, the parents of the young adult seeking support happen to be divorced or never married. In such cases, about one-half the states—including New Jersey—sometimes make the non-custodial parent pay for college or other post-high school education. (Not for other stuff, like the car Caitlyn wanted.)

Usually it’s the custodial parent who sues the non-custodial parent for support. But increasingly, as in the sad case of Caitlyn Ricci and her parents, custody and support obligations are more complex. That’s why this case pits daughter against both parents. In a bizarre twist on The Parent Trap (the one with Hayley Mills, please!), the case has united the parents, divorced for some 17 years, in anger and opposition to their ingrate offspring.*

What justifies making a distinction between intact families and broken ones? Aren’t kids in both families in need of scholarship scratch? That’s what the Pennsylvania Supreme Court thought, in a 1995 decision that declared that state’s law authorizing college contributions by divorced parents only to be an unconstitutional denial of equality. But the Keystone State stands alone in this regard. (Michael Ricci and Maura McGarvey, Caitlyn’s mom, probably wish they lived on the other side of the Delaware River.) Most states find these laws perfectly acceptable, because the statistics consistently show that divorce leads to disengagement from kids’ lives, and that parents who would otherwise pay for college do so less frequently after marriages crumble. So the laws have a rational basis, and that’s enough.

I don’t think this intact vs. broken family distinction is going to hold much longer, though, and in fact decisions like this point the way forward for all young adults to force their parents to cough up college cash. Combine an angry 19-year-old and a creative attorney, and we’re going to get some variation of the argument that “age is just a number.” The real question, they’ll say, is whether the young adult is in fact emancipated—not whether some arbitrary age has been attained. Given today’s texting-while-hovering parents and the impossibility of kids paying for their own college education, a broad ruling that majority doesn’t equal emancipation seems inevitable. And if no emancipation, the support obligation continues.

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What the article doesn't mention is the weird financial limbo that students can be in if their parents could afford to support them at university, but choose not to.  More...

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OK, but why Temple? Why not a cheaper school? Say, one in her home state of New Jersey, where she’d get in-state tuition? It’s a good question, but courts have generally preferred to look at each case individually and not to generally require that every kid choose the least expensive option. Otherwise, it would be community college for all—a result McGarvey and the older Ricci might welcome, especially since they have a combined five younger kids from their second marriages to consider. But since kids in intact marriages don’t always have to choose the cheapest option, neither do the offspring of divorced parents.

This isn’t over. The judge has ordered the parties back for a conference this coming Monday, presumably to get them to settle this ugly thing. And the parents’ attorneys raise issues that might get an appellate court’s attention if the case can’t be resolved. Can a young adult spurn contact with her parents while still claiming she is not emancipated? Can she force parents to pay for an expensive college that neither one of them even knew she was interested in?

Well, at the very least the parents can see an end to this family nightmare after college, right? Not necessarily. There’s at least one case—yes, from New Jersey—in which a court ordered a parent to contribute to his child’s law school education. The chains of filial obligation can be hard to snap.

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/12/caitlyn_ricci_college_tuition_lawsuit_divorced_parents_are_obliged_to_pay.html?wpisrc=obnetwork



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Are parents obligated to pay for college?

Nope. Pony up, or don't go.

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The laws could change and force parents to pay.

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Nope. We will try to help our kids, but we are not going to put our financial future at risk. A 40+ year old has maybe 25 years of work time to repay a tuition loan. A college graduate has 40+ years.

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I agree. It should be our choice. But, if govt can FORCE you to pay, that is pretty scary.

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The laws could change and force parents to pay.


 Not unless we change the foundation for this country.  Only obligated to educate through HS.  I think it is horrible that gov't is making parents pay for college.  I don't care how wealthy the parents are.  In most cases, parents are struggling just to save for retirement, why should they have to pay for college.  If the kid can't afford to go full time, then do what I did, I went at night and 2-3 courses a semester, worked full time.



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

I agree. It should be our choice. But, if govt can FORCE you to pay, that is pretty scary.


 They do it everyday in divorce court.  It's disgusting.



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

The laws could change and force parents to pay.


 Not unless we change the foundation for this country.  Only obligated to educate through HS.  I think it is horrible that gov't is making parents pay for college.  I don't care how wealthy the parents are.  In most cases, parents are struggling just to save for retirement, why should they have to pay for college.  If the kid can't afford to go full time, then do what I did, I went at night and 2-3 courses a semester, worked full time.


But we are changing the foundation of the country.  Every day.   There should be SOME point where you are completely and solely responsible for yourself and that other people are no longer expected to foot the tab unless you are mentally incompetent or something.  But, now, oh, keep your kids on your policy till they are 26.  Cosign and own their loans via Parent Plus loans and on and on.  We keep moving the goalposts of what constitutes an independent adult to the point where we can't define it. 

 



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There is no way on earth this is an even remotely good idea. But, if they are going to force parents to pay for college, then parents should get to continue to be in charge of kids lives.

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

I agree. It should be our choice. But, if govt can FORCE you to pay, that is pretty scary.


 They do it everyday in divorce court.  It's disgusting.


Yep!  G has to pay half of the kids college per his divorce agreement. 

Now, that said, he has very responsible and reasonable kids that chose state colleges and both have most (in his daughter's case all, plus more) of their tuition paid for by scholarships. 



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Well now, that's different. That's a contractual agreement between two people in their divorce. That's not the government making them pay - that's the court helping to enforce a private agreement, which courts do all the time.

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Well now, that's different. That's a contractual agreement between two people in their divorce. That's not the government making them pay - that's the court helping to enforce a private agreement, which courts do all the time.


Even if one of them didn't agree to it?  G fought it, but the arbitrator said it was very common here and that if it went to court, the judge would rule in favor of his ex.   



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Well now, that's different. That's a contractual agreement between two people in their divorce. That's not the government making them pay - that's the court helping to enforce a private agreement, which courts do all the time.


Even if one of them didn't agree to it?  G fought it, but the arbitrator said it was very common here and that if it went to court, the judge would rule in favor of his ex.   


 Divorce is different, especially when one party has more money or earning potential than the other.  There is a lot of give and take money wise. 



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Lawyerlady wrote:

Well now, that's different. That's a contractual agreement between two people in their divorce. That's not the government making them pay - that's the court helping to enforce a private agreement, which courts do all the time.


Even if one of them didn't agree to it?  G fought it, but the arbitrator said it was very common here and that if it went to court, the judge would rule in favor of his ex.   


 Divorce is different, especially when one party has more money or earning potential than the other.  There is a lot of give and take money wise. 


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are they obligated to pay for college ? no---are they jointly liable for junior's college debt ? would hope so, then perhaps junior would be more responsible in repaying his / her college loans

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I do not think Parents should be obligated to pay for their kids college. We did pay for our kids but liked the fact if they did not take it seriously and goofed off we could choose to no longer waste our money for them to party.

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What if the parent(s) just cannot afford it? What if there are a few siblings and the parent could possibly pay for the first, struggle for the second, not be able to pay for the third kid...what then? Would a parent be obligated to take out a second mortgage? Sell a home and downsize? Sell vacation property? Too many variables here.

I know the director of admissions at the school here very well. She said she has people coming to her asking for financial aid because they are barely making it month to month. When she gets their tax return, it shows they have 4 luxury cars, a boat, a primary residence, a secondary residence, and multiple vacation homes. She has to explain to the. That financial aid is for people who don't have multiple homes. They get really really upset. They feel entitled to aid because they are "living paycheck to paycheck". She very nicely tells them to pick one of their least favorite vacation houses and sell it.



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What if the parent(s) just cannot afford it? What if there are a few siblings and the parent could possibly pay for the first, struggle for the second, not be able to pay for the third kid...what then? Would a parent be obligated to take out a second mortgage? Sell a home and downsize? Sell vacation property? Too many variables here.

I know the director of admissions at the school here very well. She said she has people coming to her asking for financial aid because they are barely making it month to month. When she gets their tax return, it shows they have 4 luxury cars, a boat, a primary residence, a secondary residence, and multiple vacation homes. She has to explain to the. That financial aid is for people who don't have multiple homes. They get really really upset. They feel entitled to aid because they are "living paycheck to paycheck". She very nicely tells them to pick one of their least favorite vacation houses and sell it.


 This made me LOL!



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What if the parent(s) just cannot afford it? What if there are a few siblings and the parent could possibly pay for the first, struggle for the second, not be able to pay for the third kid...what then? Would a parent be obligated to take out a second mortgage? Sell a home and downsize? Sell vacation property? Too many variables here.

I know the director of admissions at the school here very well. She said she has people coming to her asking for financial aid because they are barely making it month to month. When she gets their tax return, it shows they have 4 luxury cars, a boat, a primary residence, a secondary residence, and multiple vacation homes. She has to explain to the. That financial aid is for people who don't have multiple homes. They get really really upset. They feel entitled to aid because they are "living paycheck to paycheck". She very nicely tells them to pick one of their least favorite vacation houses and sell it.


 This made me LOL!


What are we doing wrong? We don't own multiple vacation homes! 

Oh yeah. We're paying cash for college.biggrin

At least we don't have any loans. (Gotta look at the bright side.)wink



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Did anyone else notice that the building in the picture is McGonigal Hall? HP Reference hidden in plain sight!


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We set up 529 accounts when the boys were born. Paying for their college was just a given for us. I want them to go to college. I want them to get a good job, and be a productive member of society. These days that often means having a good education. If I want them to go, then I should be prepared to pay for it.

If you want the best for your children, you better be prepared to pay for it.

But this is my personal choice. The government should not be permitted to order parents to pay, whether divorced or not.

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We set up 529 accounts when the boys were born. Paying for their college was just a given for us. I want them to go to college. I want them to get a good job, and be a productive member of society. These days that often means having a good education. If I want them to go, then I should be prepared to pay for it.

If you want the best for your children, you better be prepared to pay for it.

But this is my personal choice. The government should not be permitted to order parents to pay, whether divorced or not.


 You had the money to do so, and I think that is amazing. A lot of parents do not have the money to set aside like that. Or are only able to set aside a nominal amount. These days, even $10,000 is a nominal amount towards the cost of college. 



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FNW wrote:

We set up 529 accounts when the boys were born. Paying for their college was just a given for us. I want them to go to college. I want them to get a good job, and be a productive member of society. These days that often means having a good education. If I want them to go, then I should be prepared to pay for it.

If you want the best for your children, you better be prepared to pay for it.

But this is my personal choice. The government should not be permitted to order parents to pay, whether divorced or not.


 Same for us.

 

But it's a gift. Even though I am planning on doing it, I would be seriously put out if I was forced to, KWIM?



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Absolutely, NAOW.

I do, however, feel it is my responsibility. Of course, I expect them to toe the line and help out if they have jobs and do well while enrolled.



-- Edited by FNW on Thursday 11th of December 2014 03:56:28 PM

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I completely agree.

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And this reminds me that I haven't set up Baby A's yet. I need to put that on the to do list!



-- Edited by NAOW on Thursday 11th of December 2014 04:02:04 PM

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Student Petitions Court: Fine My Parents $100 a Day for Not Paying Tuition














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A 21-year-old woman from New Jersey, who had sued her divorced parents to pay her college tuition, filed a motion this week asking the court to fine them $100 a day for contempt of court until they ante up.

Caitlyn Ricci, 21, sued her parents, Michael Ricci and Maura McGarvey, in 2013, when she left her mother’s home. She moved in with her paternal grandparents. In October 2013, Judge Thomas J. Shusted ruled that her parents should be forced to pay her tuition at New Jersey's public Gloucester County College with the proviso that she attempt to secure scholarships and loans. Her parents claim that she didn’t apply for financial aid, so they felt they were exempt from the judge’s decree.

Ricci then asked the court to look into the matter again, as she had transferred to Temple University, and the tuition was higher than Gloucester County College. On Halloween, 2014, Judge Donald J. Stein ruled that Ricci’s parents pay over $16,000 yearly for their daughter’s tuition. McGarvey said, "Anyone who hears this story thinks it's crazy, and no one can believe that this case saw the inside of a courtroom. But it did. And I lost." Her attorney, Stephanie Brown, called the case "a tragedy. It's horrible…It's completely broken apart this family." Michael Ricci simply said, "This thing is killing me.”

Ricci refused to pay, and noted that his daughter has not spoken to him or his wife in two years. He added, "That's fine. They can hold me in contempt of court. They can do whatever they want. I'm not going to pay. I'm not going to give them any money until my daughter has a relationship with me and we start to heal our family." McGarvey said, "It is nice to see that she is alive and doing well, but it is hurtful because she wouldn't look at us. When I got emotional in the courtroom and when Michael got emotional in the courtroom, she doesn't have any emotion."

Ricci is relying on her paternal grandparents to pay her legal costs.

Ricci’s parents divorced when she was four years old. By age 18, according to her mother, the parents found out she was drinking, and in February 2013, she moved out. McGarvey said she warned her daughter that if she left home, her parents would not cover her expenses.

Michael Ricci and McGarvey said initially that the hearings over the tuition matter were a chance for them to see their estranged daughter again. Michael Ricci suspected his parents encouraged his daughter to file the lawsuit. He said, "I have zero respect for my parents for what they've done and how they've handled the situation. They're the ones who are responsible for tearing my family apart and tearing my daughter away."


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Her paternal grandparents are paying the legal costs? Why don't they just pony up for tuition instead? Wow.

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Oh, hell no.
This girl is a biotch to the eenth degree. She can suck it up on her own or her grandparents can pay for "precious". Entitled little bietch if I ever saw one.

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Well, you have to put blame on the Adults, ie the paternal grandparents who are obviously behind this nonsense. I highly doubt some young girl with no money and would have been able to pull this off on her own without some backing. Shame on them.

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