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Half of All Kids Are Traumatized

And nearly a quarter experience two or more stressful childhood events, setting them up for worse physical and mental health later in life.
 

When a child sees a parent die, experiences severe poverty, or witnesses neighborhood violence, it can leave a permanent mark on her brain. This type of unmitigated, long-term "toxic stress" can affect a person's cardiovascular health, immune system, and mental health into adulthood.

“If you have a whole bunch of bad experiences growing up, you set up your brain in such a way that it’s your expectation that that’s what life is about,” James Perrin, president of the American Academy of Pediatrics, told me recently.

A new study in the journal Health Affairs finds that nearly half of all children in the U.S. have experienced one such social or family-related trauma.

Here's how the report authors found that number, according to the release:

For the study, [Johns Hopkins University family-health professor Christina] Bethell and her colleagues analyzed data from the 2011-12 National Survey of Children's Health, a survey of parents of 95,677 children under 17 from throughout the United States. The survey included questions about nine adverse childhood experiences as reported by parents: extreme economic hardship, parental divorce/separation, lived with someone with a drug or alcohol problem, witness or victim of neighborhood violence, lived with someone who was mentally ill or suicidal, witnessed domestic violence, parent served time in jail, treated or judged unfairly due to race/ethnicity, and the death of a parent. The survey includes myriad data on family and neighborhood environments and parental well-being in addition to children's schooling and medical care, and contains some data about child resilience.

The study found that 48 percent of children have experienced one of these childhood traumas, and 23 percent experienced two or more. But kids in some states fared worse than others. New Jersey had the lowest percentage of children with two or more traumas, at 16 percent, while Oklahoma had the highest, at 33 percent. Here's a map showing the general ranking of the states:


Percentage of Children Who Have Experienced at Least Two Traumas, Compared to the National Average

Prevalence of kids who experienced at least two traumas, compared to the U.S. average (Health Affairs)

Children exposed to at least two traumas were 2.5 times more likely to repeat a grade or to be disengaged with their classwork, compared to those who had no such experiences. They were also much more likely than the others to suffer from chronic health problems, such as asthma, ADHD, autism, and obesity.

This was true even after adjusting for race, income, and health status. Put another way, this means that even if a child is born into the best of circumstances, just two hyper-stressful events can send him on a downward development spiral.

Doctors and teachers can mitigate the negative effects of these experiences by providing kids with emotional support, the study authors note, as well as with "neurological repair methods, such as mindfulness training." The authors also recommend "trauma-informed" medical care for these children—a type of treatment that takes their turbulent home lives into account. For example, for a traumatized child between six and 17 years of age, it might be helpful to learn techniques such as "staying calm and in control when faced with a challenge."

That's good advice for any of us, but for nearly half of American children, it might be an essential, life-saving strategy.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/12/half-of-all-kids-experience-traumatic-events/383630/

 



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So basically, these kids have experienced life.

What are we supposed to do? Put everyone in a bubble?


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Oh ffs.

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Oh ffs.


 The article itself? Or the response?

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First, mindfulness training is voodoo doctoring as far as I'm concerned. Second, I swear people don't get that we've ALWAYS had traumatized kids but we haven't always had the incredible numbers of adhd, autism and obesity. So, no. Just no. Trauma causes adhd, autism and obesity? I don't believe that.








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Yeah. Trauma does not cause any of those.

The article is ridiculous.

Yes. I feel terrible for a child who has lost a parent, or experienced any of those things in the OP.

But it isn't anything new. It's always been.



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First, mindfulness training is voodoo doctoring as far as I'm concerned. Second, I swear people don't get that we've ALWAYS had traumatized kids but we haven't always had the incredible numbers of adhd, autism and obesity. So, no. Just no. Trauma causes adhd, autism and obesity? I don't believe that.







 Thanks for the explanation, VoR.

Trauma has an effect on kids, though.

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Absolutely. I'm just not buying the connection to other illnesses. Then again, I'm one of those insane people who think we over diagnose childhood incompetencies.

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This is just another make the parent feel good about failing to parent article. Aimed at helicopter parents. Boo hoo.
If you don't let your kid fall down, he can never get up.

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All those trying to protect their kid from the sad and bad times are doing their child a disservice.

If a person doesn't experience loss and sadness and yes, even pain, they cant truly appreciate the joy of life. The good and happy times. They have nothing to compare it to.



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This is just another make the parent feel good about failing to parent article. Aimed at helicopter parents. Boo hoo.
If you don't let your kid fall down, he can never get up.


 What about the things that are out of your control?

Remember, DS2 lost his dad when he was 19 months old. I doubt he has any memories of him.

Now THAT is trauma.

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If he has no memories then he has never missed what he never knew. That isn't trauma. That is not knowing.

It was trauma for you. And your older son if he remembers his dad. Not saying it wasn't a significant loss.




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If he has no memories then he has never missed what he never knew. That isn't trauma. That is not knowing.

It was trauma for you. And your older son if he remembers his dad. Not saying it wasn't a significant loss.



 EXCUSE ME?

Every single time he came home from a sleepover at a friend's house, he was in a lousy mood. I finally figured out it was because all his friends had fathers.

And, Lily, just STOP POSTING, you'll only make it worse.

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I wasn't trying to upset you.

But I am sure you only read that first line and nothing else.

My boys have no memory of their father at all.

C on the other hand remembers her dad being home.

C has dealt with the trauma of it.

The boys have nothing to be traumatized over because they simply have no memory of it.



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I saw my dead father in my front yard after he committed suicide. Get over it and grow up. We all saw horrible schitt. Some people grow up...

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I saw my dead father in my front yard after he committed suicide. Get over it and grow up. We all saw horrible schitt. Some people grow up...


 I had a fairly boring childhood, so I'm going to disagree.

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I saw my dead father in my front yard after he committed suicide. Get over it and grow up. We all saw horrible schitt. Some people grow up...


Yes. We all have our past to deal with. We either grow up and own it or we wallow in it.

 



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I saw my dead father in my front yard after he committed suicide. Get over it and grow up. We all saw horrible schitt. Some people grow up...


 I had a fairly boring childhood, so I'm going to disagree.

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 First, ohfour I am so sorry that happened to you. That certainly qualifies as a traumatic experience. I am glad you were able to move past it. 

 

I didn't see anything traumatic as a child. Nothing. I was lucky to be a really happy kid with no issues. The first traumatic thing I saw was me giving birth in the big mirror they hang in the delivery room. 



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I dealt with A LOT. And I'm normal and raised great kids. You either raise yourself or wallow. I chose not to wallow.

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I saw my dead father in my front yard after he committed suicide. Get over it and grow up. We all saw horrible schitt. Some people grow up...


 I had a fairly boring childhood, so I'm going to disagree.

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 First, ohfour I am so sorry that happened to you. That certainly qualifies as a traumatic experience. I am glad you were able to move past it. 

 

I didn't see anything traumatic as a child. Nothing. I was lucky to be a really happy kid with no issues. The first traumatic thing I saw was me giving birth in the big mirror they hang in the delivery room. 


 Ok so first, that is horrible O4, my father experienced something similar with his father when he was 7.  Aside from being a gigolo, he is good.

 

And MM, yeah I refused to look at that mirror.  Whoa that would have been so icky.



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I saw my dead father in my front yard after he committed suicide. Get over it and grow up. We all saw horrible schitt. Some people grow up...


 I had a fairly boring childhood, so I'm going to disagree.

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 First, ohfour I am so sorry that happened to you. That certainly qualifies as a traumatic experience. I am glad you were able to move past it. 

 

I didn't see anything traumatic as a child. Nothing. I was lucky to be a really happy kid with no issues. The first traumatic thing I saw was me giving birth in the big mirror they hang in the delivery room. 


 Yeah...that is definitely traumatizing!!!!! 



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I dealt with A LOT. And I'm normal and raised great kids. You either raise yourself or wallow. I chose not to wallow.


 Me too



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And for some people, it takes therapy to help heal. That's NOT "wallowing."

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I dealt with A LOT. And I'm normal and raised great kids. You either raise yourself or wallow. I chose not to wallow.


 Me too


 I use that word all the time. Wallow. That's what separates people from their circumstances...their willingness to wallow in it.

 

Not everyone is taught how NOT to wallow though. And for some, it looks too hard to dig yourself out.  



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And for some people, it takes therapy to help heal. That's NOT "wallowing."

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 And that's totally OK...but when you are 40 and dwell on things that happened to you as a kid...that not OK

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Mellow Momma wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
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I dealt with A LOT. And I'm normal and raised great kids. You either raise yourself or wallow. I chose not to wallow.


 Me too


 I use that word all the time. Wallow. That's what separates people from their circumstances...their willingness to wallow in it.

 

Not everyone is taught how NOT to wallow though. And for some, it looks too hard to dig yourself out.  


 THANK YOU!

My mother never talked about anything; she kept most of the important stuff inside. That's no way to live either.

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flan327 wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
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I dealt with A LOT. And I'm normal and raised great kids. You either raise yourself or wallow. I chose not to wallow.


 Me too


 I use that word all the time. Wallow. That's what separates people from their circumstances...their willingness to wallow in it.

 

Not everyone is taught how NOT to wallow though. And for some, it looks too hard to dig yourself out.  


 THANK YOU!

My mother never talked about anything; she kept most of the important stuff inside. That's no way to live either.

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 Totally agree



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Ohfour wrote:
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Mellow Momma wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
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I dealt with A LOT. And I'm normal and raised great kids. You either raise yourself or wallow. I chose not to wallow.


 Me too


 I use that word all the time. Wallow. That's what separates people from their circumstances...their willingness to wallow in it.

 

Not everyone is taught how NOT to wallow though. And for some, it looks too hard to dig yourself out.  


 THANK YOU!

My mother never talked about anything; she kept most of the important stuff inside. That's no way to live either.

flan


 Totally agree


 Yeah, I am proud that I can talk to my sons on just about any topic.

Spoiler

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LOL

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LOL


 I had to!!!

Honestly, though, my parents NEVER displayed any emotion...to us kids or each other. Sex was something dirty.

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Lol. DD doesn't either! Her sister tells her she is lucky that her parents love each other enough to still get it on. She is NOT impressed.

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Lol. DD doesn't either! Her sister tells her she is lucky that her parents love each other enough to still get it on. She is NOT impressed.


 I only embarrass them a little bit. It could be MUCH worse!

And isn't it good to know that your sex drive continues, even if you're "old?"

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Lol. Sure is!!

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Did anyone hear have a trauma free childhood?

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Did anyone hear have a trauma free childhood?


 Flan and I said up thread that we both did.



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Mine was sweet and carefree.

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Did anyone hear have a trauma free childhood?


 Flan and I said up thread that we both did.


 Other than my Chatty Kathy doll being destroyed with a hammer...

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I had wonderful parents but there were things. My parents separated and my mom and I moved to another town. We lived in some apt and it was a rough town. I got beat up in 3rd grade by some neighborhood kids. I was molested by a neighbor boy who was about 14. We moved back a year later and my parents got back together. My brother was killed in a car wreck when I was 12. My parents walked around for that year strung out on valium. Pretty uneventful after that. My mom and I became very close and we had a lot of fun.

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I had wonderful parents but there were things. My parents separated and my mom and I moved to another town. We lived in some apt and it was a rough town. I got beat up in 3rd grade by some neighborhood kids. I was molested by a neighbor boy who was about 14. We moved back a year later and my parents got back together. My brother was killed in a car wreck when I was 12. My parents walked around for that year strung out on valium. Pretty uneventful after that. My mom and I became very close and we had a lot of fun.


 I am so very sorry, LGS.

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Everybody has " stuff". I was fortunate to have great parents. I was blessed. I feel bad seeing some if the messes in the lives of my kids friends.

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I had wonderful parents but there were things. My parents separated and my mom and I moved to another town. We lived in some apt and it was a rough town. I got beat up in 3rd grade by some neighborhood kids. I was molested by a neighbor boy who was about 14. We moved back a year later and my parents got back together. My brother was killed in a car wreck when I was 12. My parents walked around for that year strung out on valium. Pretty uneventful after that. My mom and I became very close and we had a lot of fun.


 I am so very sorry, LGS.

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 I am so sorry that happened to you. What a lot to deal with! I feel bad that you had to go through that. 

 

I disagree that everyone has trauma or "stuff". My big trauma was that my beloved grandpa died when I was 12. That's totally normal and not at all what I would consider the OP to be about. LGS, not everyone has anything CLOSE to what you and ohfour dealt with. Most of the kids I went to school with had nothing like that happen to them. There was 1 girl with divorced parents in our grade of 150 kids in 4th grade. By 5th grade, one girl had a brother that committed suicide. By graduation, one boy's father died. That's it. Most of the rest of us had "normal" lives. Now, I am sure some had alcoholic parents, some were unfortunately molested I am sure. But not everyone goes through a trauma. 



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Life Stressors

To learn the level of stress (distress) in your life, check in the empty box at the left of each of the following events if it has occurred within the past 12 months:

Event Value Event Value
Death of spouse 100 Son or daughter leaving home 29
Divorce 73 Trouble with in-laws 29
Marital separation 65 Outstanding personal achievement 28
Jail term 63 Spouse begins or ceases working 26
Death of close family member 63 Starting or finishing school 26
Personal injury or illness 53 Change in living conditions 25
Marriage 50 Revision of personal habits 24
Fired from job 47 Trouble with boss 23
Marital reconciliation 45 Change in work hours, conditions 20
Retirement 45 Change in residence 20
Change in family member’s health 44 Change in schools 20
Pregnancy 40 Change in recreational habits 19
Sexual difficulties 39 Change in church activities 19
Addition to family 39 Change in social activities 18
Business readjustment 39 Mortgage or loan under $10, 000 17
Change in financial status 38 Change in sleeping habits 15
Death of close friend 37 Change in number of family gatherings 15
Career change 36 Change in eating habits 15
Change in number of marital arguments 35 Vacation 13
Mortgage or loan over $10,000 31 Christmas season 12
Foreclosure of mortage or loan 30 Minor violation of the law 11
Change in work responsibilities 29



Note: This scale is derived from the Holmes, T. & Rahe, R. (1967) "Holmes-Rahe Social Readjustment Rating Scale", Journal of Psychosomatic Research, 2.

Please note that since the development of the Life Events Scale, it has generally been recognized that there can be significant variation in the individual weight that each life event causes due to personal differences and the context of situations. Obviously the size of mortgages has also changed! However, this scale remains a good general estimate of personal stress.

If you want to take this test go to http://www.roadtowellbeing.ca/questionnaires/life-stressors.html



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I checked off the changes in SS's life the first year his dad and I got married. His score was

Your Life Events Score

Your score: 464

This is the sum of all the “checked” values. If your total score is more than 150, find ways to reduce stress in your daily life so that your stress level does not increase. The higher the score, the harder one needs to work at staying physically and emotionally well.


0-149 Low susceptibility to stress-related illness
150-299 Medium susceptibility to stress-related illness
300 and over High susceptibility to stress-related illness

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I had wonderful parents but there were things. My paHowell separated and my mom and I moved to another town. We lived in some apt and it was a rough town. I got beat up in 3rd grade by some neighborhood kids. I was molested by a neighbor boy who was about 14. We moved back a year later and my parents got back together. My brother was killed in a car wreck when I was 12. My parents walked around for that year strung out on valium. Pretty uneventful after that. My mom and I became very close and we had a lot of fun.


 I am so very sorry, LGS.

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 I am so sorry that happened to you. What a lot to deal with! I feel bad that you had to go through that. 

 

I disagree that everyone has trauma or "stuff". My big trauma was that my beloved grandpa died when I was 12. That's totally normal and not at all what I would consider the OP to be about. LGS, not everyone has anything CLOSE to what you and ohfour dealt with. Most of the kids I went to school with had nothing like that happen to them. There was 1 girl with divorced parents in our grade of 150 kids in 4th grade. By 5th grade, one girl had a brother that committed suicide. By graduation, one boy's father died. That's it. Most of the rest of us had "normal" lives. Now, I am sure some had alcoholic parents, some were unfortunately molested I am sure. But not everyone goes through a trauma. 


  I  consider mine a pretty normal childhood.  I had a lot of fun.  Growing in up in a small town was great.  However some of the kids around here seem to have pretty stressful home lives.



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I had wonderful parents but there were things. My paHowell separated and my mom and I moved to another town. We lived in some apt and it was a rough town. I got beat up in 3rd grade by some neighborhood kids. I was molested by a neighbor boy who was about 14. We moved back a year later and my parents got back together. My brother was killed in a car wreck when I was 12. My parents walked around for that year strung out on valium. Pretty uneventful after that. My mom and I became very close and we had a lot of fun.


 I am so very sorry, LGS.

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 I am so sorry that happened to you. What a lot to deal with! I feel bad that you had to go through that. 

 

I disagree that everyone has trauma or "stuff". My big trauma was that my beloved grandpa died when I was 12. That's totally normal and not at all what I would consider the OP to be about. LGS, not everyone has anything CLOSE to what you and ohfour dealt with. Most of the kids I went to school with had nothing like that happen to them. There was 1 girl with divorced parents in our grade of 150 kids in 4th grade. By 5th grade, one girl had a brother that committed suicide. By graduation, one boy's father died. That's it. Most of the rest of us had "normal" lives. Now, I am sure some had alcoholic parents, some were unfortunately molested I am sure. But not everyone goes through a trauma. 


  I  consider mine a pretty normal childhood.  I had a lot of fun.  Growing in up in a small town was great.  However some of the kids around here seem to have pretty stressful home lives.


 I don't think that being abused and also losing a sibling qualifies as a normal childhood. Either one of those things would be quite out of the ordinary, let alone both. 

 

 



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Geez, I can't even imagine what a "normal" childhood would have been like. I don't think I should take that test - I should probably be dead from all the trauma. But I'm not, I survived and thrived and didn't wallow.

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Well, I was beaten just about every day of my life. Verbal, physical, and mental abuse. I remember so many bruises and cuts. But, with therapy, I learned to pull myself up and be halfway decent, IMO. We put SS in therapy because he went through so much in one year. I wouldn't expect an adult to go through as much as he did and not be stressed out. So why wouldn't a kid be stressed out? I don't think it is the end of the world necessarily though.

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