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No, My 10-Year-Old Son Isn't Looking for a Girlfriend. He Likes Boys.

Posted: 12/14/2014 8:58 am EST Updated: 12/15/2014 10:59 pm EST

 

 

 

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At the beginning of this semester, our kids' school sent home a list of extracurricular clubs available to the students. My husband sat down with the list and our two elementary-school-aged sons. They could pick a club, any club. Our middle son, a second grader this year and the most loveable of nerds, picked board-game club. Our older son, now a fourth grader, picked Zumba. Given the choice, our oldest kid usually picks sports above all else, but he wanted the dancing-based exercise that is Zumba. He does love singing and dancing as well, so we just shrugged our shoulders and said, "OK, sounds great." We signed the kids up, and all were happy campers.

As the semester went on, they both enjoyed their clubs, but our older son's choice of club almost always got the same reaction. It went something like this: "He's a smart kid. I bet he's the only boy. He's got his pick of the girls in there."

The first time this happened, I was shocked, because I had never actually thought about that. We don't exactly adhere to traditional gender roles in our home. My husband is a stay-at-home dad who does all the cooking and domestic stuff, and I'm the one with the full-time, out-of-the-house job. We have three sons in all (though the youngest doesn't start school until next year), and what they want to do is just what they want to do. We go with it; it doesn't matter if it's traditionally masculine. Despite this, our oldest son is a stereotypical boy. He loves his sports and video games and ninjas. We see singing and dancing as fun-for-everyone things. In public my husband and I are known to break out into improvised song-and-dance numbers that embarrass our children on a regular basis.

"How many boys are in Zumba?" I asked my kid.

"Just me," he answered easily.

"Does that bother you?"

"No," he said with a shrug. "It's fun."

And that was that.

But that reaction from others, that nudge-nudge, wink-wink, he's-got-his-pick-of-girls reaction, kept happening. And it bothered me. My older son is gay. Yeah, he may only be in the fourth grade, but he's identified as gay since the beginning of first grade. It shows no signs of changing. All our close friends and family know our kid is gay, but a lot of people I worked with or people we just knew socially had no idea. And this lady-killer idea they had about my kid bothered me.

Yeah, I do know that that's kind of ridiculous. In the past couple of years, we've dealt with our fair share of shock-and-awe reactions to our son's orientation. We've also dealt with the "Is this still happening?" reaction as the years have gone by. But it never stops bothering me when people automatically assume he's straight. I got so annoyed that I just started correcting people.

"No," I'd say, "he's not interested in girls like that. He's gay. He says girls are for friends."

Then the response came, and almost always the same response: "Really? How can he know that? He's so young."

These people failed to see the contradiction in their words. They'd just implied that my son had picked his after-school club so that he could get some fourth-grade-style action from the girls, but then they said he's too young to know he likes boys. They assumed that he would be after girls, which means they assumed that he already knew he was straight, yet the idea that he might already know he is gay came as such a shock.

Sure, by the numbers, assuming people are straight is a safe bet. Most people are. But assumptions are dangerous. This particular assumption implies to my son that there is something wrong him for being other than straight. And there's not. He should be exactly who he is.

My son has crushes, multiple crushes. His longest and most noted crush is on Blaine from Glee, but Blaine is quickly getting supplanted by Barry from The Flash. My son is romantic, and it's adorable. And it's innocent. But when people talk about him and his Zumba class, it doesn't sound innocent; it sounds smarmy. But then they get appalled at the idea that he knows he's gay. As his mother, I find the whole thing really frustrating.

I remember my first crush. He was a friend of one of my uncles, and everyone called him "Big Mike." I think I was 6 or 7. I followed him around and peppered him with questions; I'm sure I was a total pain. But it wasn't sexual. I just knew I wanted to be near him and have him pay attention to me. Big Mike was this huge guy with a beard, very lumberjack-ish -- and looked a lot like the guy I'd go on to marry, my sons' father. Recognizing the similarities in hindsight makes me smile. Since I've made that connection, I've looked at my son, as his cheeks turn red when he talks about a boy he's crushing on, in a new way. He's figuring out what he likes, just like I did. Before now, before gay kids had the opportunity to be raised without homophobia and with out gay people in their lives, same-gender crushes were something that had to be kept secret. My son doesn't have a secret. He just is.

I think that's why it's important for me to speak up, to correct people explicitly when they assume my kid is straight. I need to clearly say, "No, that does not describe my kid." Because kids don't magically become gay at puberty. Orientation is something deeper than that. It's something that is not only about sex but about attraction and love, even puppy love. And that's beautiful. There's not a damn thing wrong with it at all.

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Well, I wouldn't assume a 10 yr old is "after" either boys or girls. I think most people make that 'oh he has the pick of girls type comment" as a joke not thinking a 10 yr old boy is already some romeo. So, it seems mom is a bit more intent to label her son than he is.

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The problem, imho, is that the mom TALKS about it with other people.

And she's offended!

 

He's TEN. Ten year old boys are not into sex, usually. They spend time with other BOYS. They're not into undressing other kids or exploring other kids' body parts.

He's "crushing" on other males? He's probably also "crushing" on Superheroes. Batman. Superman. R2-D2 . Luke Skywalker. Or whoever has replaced them since my kids grew up.

I think she's just reading too much into too little, too soon. And she's talking too much.

 



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She seems "offended" that people assume any sexual interest on his part, then seems to go out of her way to announce what he is to everyone and their brother. Maybe he's Bi. Just because he likes Zumba or has a man crush doesn't mean a damn thing at this age.

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She really seems a bit whack. Way to invested already in deciding what he is. Mom needs to back off.

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She's protecting her son...better than rejecting him, imho.

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No, not really. She seems to have some need to have already decided his sexuality for him.

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So--I should have been offended when everyone assumed my sons were straight?

Absurd. It's also absurd to say he "knew" by first grade. She was gauging his attraction to the gender at age SIX?



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At ten a kid is still a kid and will usually stay with their own gender because they still think the other has cooties.

What a loon. This woman is setting her son up for a very painful teen life.

I don't have a problem with the Zumba class. it's exercise. I don't know why it has to be a big deal.

People like this mom need a real quick dose of reality.

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At ten a kid is still a kid and will usually stay with their own gender because they still think the other has cooties.

What a loon. This woman is setting her son up for a very painful teen life.

I don't have a problem with the Zumba class. it's exercise. I don't know why it has to be a big deal.

People like this mom need a real quick dose of reality.


I also wonder if her son has actually expressed a sexual interest in boys/men. 

 

My guess is that when he played "dress-up" and wore his mom's heels and put on make-up when he was six, she assigned him his sexuality, and now EVERYTHING he has done since that that has even hinted at being gay, she has reinforced--including this. 

 

Also, I don't know who she's blabbing to about this Zumba class.  At ten, I doubt if my own mom even knew what my kids did at school beyond the regular stuff.  Sure, maybe those she's opening her big mouth to are trying to reinforce their own stereotype, but keep your trap closed and you won't have to worry so much about that.  You can't control what they say or think, anyway.   



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I remember my first crush. He was a friend of one of my uncles, and everyone called him "Big Mike." I think I was 6 or 7. I followed him around and peppered him with questions; I'm sure I was a total pain. But it wasn't sexual. I just knew I wanted to be near him and have him pay attention to me. Big Mike was this huge guy with a beard, very lumberjack-ish -- and looked a lot like the guy I'd go on to marry, my sons' father. Recognizing the similarities in hindsight makes me smile. Since I've made that connection, I've looked at my son, as his cheeks turn red when he talks about a boy he's crushing on, in a new way. He's figuring out what he likes, just like I did. Before now, before gay kids had the opportunity to be raised without homophobia and with out gay people in their lives, same-gender crushes were something that had to be kept secret. My son doesn't have a secret. He just is.

 

 

 

The above is a quote from the article.  DUMBEST THING EVER.  She is reinforcing her own stereotype.  She is assuming that because she had a crush on a guy when she was a young girl--that if a young boy idolizes an older boy or a man--they must be gay.

 

That is FLAT OUT STUPID--which makes me further think this woman is nuts.

 

MANY young boys idolize male role models in their life--and do EXACTLY what she did--follow the around, spend as much time with them as possible, try to emulate them.  They do this with fathers, siblings, uncles, grandfathers, family friends, sometimes teachers or neighbors.  It's called learning to be a man--and has NOTHING to do with sexual orientation. 



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Every boy I have ever known has done this to some extent when they are little. Just like little girls will put on their dad's shoes. I did that. We even have a picture of me wearing dad's shoes. Guess that means I'm gay.

I think parents put things on their kids they really have no clue about.

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His mother seems to be pigeon-holing is gender identity for him. There really shouldn't even be any need to talk about this, yet.

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The truth is that none of us KNOWS...We are just projecting our opinions onto the letter writer.

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flan327 wrote:

The truth is that none of us KNOWS...We are just projecting our opinions onto the letter writer.

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 The truth is she doesn't KNOW, either.  She's just projecting her opinions on to her son.  Let him grow up and figure it out before telling everyone he is gay.  It's HIS life and HIS choice to tell people, not hers.



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The truth is that none of us KNOWS...We are just projecting our opinions onto the letter writer.

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 The truth is she doesn't KNOW, either.  She's just projecting her opinions on to her son.  Let him grow up and figure it out before telling everyone he is gay.  It's HIS life and HIS choice to tell people, not hers.


 WHY would she WANT her son to be gay?

Yeah, he may only be in the fourth grade, but he's identified as gay since the beginning of first grade. It shows no signs of changing.

This is what we have to go on.

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Let him be a kid, geesh. A kid that likes zumba? Fine. He's ten. You've got at least another year or two before he really comes into his hormones, and probably another year before they've called down enough to say for sure who is really attracted to. Not important now, let it go.

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How does a 5-6 year old "identify" with anything? It's ridiculous.

Anything to push an agenda.

Maybe there is a scholarship we don't know about.

This mother is damaging her child. Not helping him. Even if he decides he is gay later, mom is making it really hard on him now. She is effecting his relationships with friends and if he later does come out, he will need friends. And she is setting him up for serious bullying.

Why do I have a feeling there will be a Dear whoever letter asking how to get past the suicide of a bullied son sometime in the next 10 years?



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flan327 wrote:
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The truth is that none of us KNOWS...We are just projecting our opinions onto the letter writer.

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 The truth is she doesn't KNOW, either.  She's just projecting her opinions on to her son.  Let him grow up and figure it out before telling everyone he is gay.  It's HIS life and HIS choice to tell people, not hers.


 WHY would she WANT her son to be gay?

Yeah, he may only be in the fourth grade, but he's identified as gay since the beginning of first grade. It shows no signs of changing.

This is what we have to go on.

flan


 How has she determined that?  First graders are not sexual beings unless they have been abused.  Is she stereotyping her son b/c he likes dance?



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How does a 5-6 year old "identify" with anything? It's ridiculous.

Anything to push an agenda.

Maybe there is a scholarship we don't know about.

This mother is damaging her child. Not helping him. Even if he decides he is gay later, mom is making it really hard on him now. She is effecting his relationships with friends and if he later does come out, he will need friends. And she is setting him up for serious bullying.

Why do I have a feeling there will be a Dear whoever letter asking how to get past the suicide of a bullied son sometime in the next 10 years?


 Really? When DS2 was 5, he shaved his legs, because I was the ONLY adult role model that he had.

That being said, there is NO WAY that I could have persuaded either of my kids that they were gay. And a SCHOLARSHIP? Yeah, right...no

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flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

How does a 5-6 year old "identify" with anything? It's ridiculous.

Anything to push an agenda.

Maybe there is a scholarship we don't know about.

This mother is damaging her child. Not helping him. Even if he decides he is gay later, mom is making it really hard on him now. She is effecting his relationships with friends and if he later does come out, he will need friends. And she is setting him up for serious bullying.

Why do I have a feeling there will be a Dear whoever letter asking how to get past the suicide of a bullied son sometime in the next 10 years?


 Really? When DS2 was 5, he shaved his legs, because I was the ONLY adult role model that he had.

That being said, there is NO WAY that I could have persuaded either of my kids that they were gay. And a SCHOLARSHIP? Yeah, right...no

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So your son should be gay then. According to the OP you should have then spent the rest of your child's growing up years making sure everyone knew he was gay.

See how stupid that is?  



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Oh and there are scholarships for all kinds of things. So I wouldn't be a bit surprised if there is something for being gay. Or Zumba. Or maybe a gay zumba dancer person who likes to wear cherry chapstick and do the whole thing with their eyes crossed.



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The truth is that none of us KNOWS...We are just projecting our opinions onto the letter writer.

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 The truth is she doesn't KNOW, either.  She's just projecting her opinions on to her son.  Let him grow up and figure it out before telling everyone he is gay.  It's HIS life and HIS choice to tell people, not hers.


 WHY would she WANT her son to be gay?

Yeah, he may only be in the fourth grade, but he's identified as gay since the beginning of first grade. It shows no signs of changing.

This is what we have to go on.

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First graders don't identify as anything sexual on their own.  C'mon.  You should know that.   



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How does a 5-6 year old "identify" with anything? It's ridiculous.

Anything to push an agenda.

Maybe there is a scholarship we don't know about.

This mother is damaging her child. Not helping him. Even if he decides he is gay later, mom is making it really hard on him now. She is effecting his relationships with friends and if he later does come out, he will need friends. And she is setting him up for serious bullying.

Why do I have a feeling there will be a Dear whoever letter asking how to get past the suicide of a bullied son sometime in the next 10 years?


 Really? When DS2 was 5, he shaved his legs, because I was the ONLY adult role model that he had.

That being said, there is NO WAY that I could have persuaded either of my kids that they were gay. And a SCHOLARSHIP? Yeah, right...no

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You are making OUR argument for us. 

This woman is seeing behavior such as this in her son and assuming he's gay.   



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lilyofcourse wrote:
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How does a 5-6 year old "identify" with anything? It's ridiculous.

Anything to push an agenda.

Maybe there is a scholarship we don't know about.

This mother is damaging her child. Not helping him. Even if he decides he is gay later, mom is making it really hard on him now. She is effecting his relationships with friends and if he later does come out, he will need friends. And she is setting him up for serious bullying.

Why do I have a feeling there will be a Dear whoever letter asking how to get past the suicide of a bullied son sometime in the next 10 years?


 Really? When DS2 was 5, he shaved his legs, because I was the ONLY adult role model that he had.

That being said, there is NO WAY that I could have persuaded either of my kids that they were gay. And a SCHOLARSHIP? Yeah, right...no

flan


So your son should be gay then. According to the OP you should have then spent the rest of your child's growing up years making sure everyone knew he was gay.

See how stupid that is?  


 Just about as stupid as ignoring the bolded sentence.

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Girls can start masturbating as young as two, so Idk about the whole "children aren't sexual" thing, but man, just let it go for now. He's only ten.
It isn't really important now.

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How does a 5-6 year old "identify" with anything? It's ridiculous.

Anything to push an agenda.

Maybe there is a scholarship we don't know about.

This mother is damaging her child. Not helping him. Even if he decides he is gay later, mom is making it really hard on him now. She is effecting his relationships with friends and if he later does come out, he will need friends. And she is setting him up for serious bullying.

Why do I have a feeling there will be a Dear whoever letter asking how to get past the suicide of a bullied son sometime in the next 10 years?


 Really? When DS2 was 5, he shaved his legs, because I was the ONLY adult role model that he had.

That being said, there is NO WAY that I could have persuaded either of my kids that they were gay. And a SCHOLARSHIP? Yeah, right...no

flan


So your son should be gay then. According to the OP you should have then spent the rest of your child's growing up years making sure everyone knew he was gay.

See how stupid that is?  


 Just about as stupid as ignoring the bolded sentence.

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It's not about persuading anyone they are gay--it's about her persuading herself and everyone else by assuming such when she really doesn't know.  



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flan327 wrote:
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How does a 5-6 year old "identify" with anything? It's ridiculous.

Anything to push an agenda.

Maybe there is a scholarship we don't know about.

This mother is damaging her child. Not helping him. Even if he decides he is gay later, mom is making it really hard on him now. She is effecting his relationships with friends and if he later does come out, he will need friends. And she is setting him up for serious bullying.

Why do I have a feeling there will be a Dear whoever letter asking how to get past the suicide of a bullied son sometime in the next 10 years?


 Really? When DS2 was 5, he shaved his legs, because I was the ONLY adult role model that he had.

That being said, there is NO WAY that I could have persuaded either of my kids that they were gay. And a SCHOLARSHIP? Yeah, right...no

flan


So your son should be gay then. According to the OP you should have then spent the rest of your child's growing up years making sure everyone knew he was gay.

See how stupid that is?  


 Just about as stupid as ignoring the bolded sentence.

flan


So you agree with me that what this mother is doing is stupid.

 

So what are you arguing about exactly? 



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I never said the mother was stupid.

None of us knows the whole story.

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Well, maybe I was weird, but I didn't do the whole masturbating thing as a kid. I can't tickle myself so I really don't get it.

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The truth is that none of us KNOWS...We are just projecting our opinions onto the letter writer.

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 The truth is she doesn't KNOW, either.  She's just projecting her opinions on to her son.  Let him grow up and figure it out before telling everyone he is gay.  It's HIS life and HIS choice to tell people, not hers.


 WHY would she WANT her son to be gay?

Yeah, he may only be in the fourth grade, but he's identified as gay since the beginning of first grade. It shows no signs of changing.

This is what we have to go on.

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 Because then she can show how "open minded" and progressive she is.  That's why.



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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 Me either...

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I never said the mother was stupid.

None of us knows the whole story.

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So what the mother is doing is not stupid?

We know the whole story.

Mom is telling people her 10 year old is gay cause he is taking a Zumba class and when he was 5 or 6 he did something she considered girly.

That is stupid.  

If they are so open minded and have no real gender roles in their home, why is she even thinking about the zumba class or anything else the kid is doing?

 



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lilyofcourse wrote:
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I never said the mother was stupid.

None of us knows the whole story.

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So what the mother is doing is not stupid?

We know the whole story.

Mom is telling people her 10 year old is gay cause he is taking a Zumba class and when he was 5 or 6 he did something she considered girly.

That is stupid.  

If they are so open minded and have no real gender roles in their home, why is she even thinking about the zumba class or anything else the kid is doing?

 


 We most certainly do NOT.

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I never said the mother was stupid.

None of us knows the whole story.

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So what the mother is doing is not stupid?

We know the whole story.

Mom is telling people her 10 year old is gay cause he is taking a Zumba class and when he was 5 or 6 he did something she considered girly.

That is stupid.  

If they are so open minded and have no real gender roles in their home, why is she even thinking about the zumba class or anything else the kid is doing?

 


Exactly.  I was a total Tomboy.  I played sports so yeah. 



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flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:

I never said the mother was stupid.

None of us knows the whole story.

flan


So what the mother is doing is not stupid?

We know the whole story.

Mom is telling people her 10 year old is gay cause he is taking a Zumba class and when he was 5 or 6 he did something she considered girly.

That is stupid.  

If they are so open minded and have no real gender roles in their home, why is she even thinking about the zumba class or anything else the kid is doing?

 


 We most certainly do NOT.

flan


Well. We know the mother is putting something on her son she has no business doing.

He is still pre pubescent. He most likely still thinks girls are gross and the TMNT's are awesome.

When he is older and has had some kind of real time to decide for himself then there will be something to talk about.

For now, mom needs to understand she is putting too much pressure on a 10 year old.  



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My friends 5 year old son loves Disney Princesses more than Ninja turtles or Power Rangers. Do they or I think he's gay? Nope. He's 5.

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lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:

I never said the mother was stupid.

None of us knows the whole story.

flan


So what the mother is doing is not stupid?

We know the whole story.

Mom is telling people her 10 year old is gay cause he is taking a Zumba class and when he was 5 or 6 he did something she considered girly.

That is stupid.  

If they are so open minded and have no real gender roles in their home, why is she even thinking about the zumba class or anything else the kid is doing?

 


 We most certainly do NOT.

flan


Well. We know the mother is putting something on her son she has no business doing.

He is still pre pubescent. He most likely still thinks girls are gross and the TMNT's are awesome.

When he is older and has had some kind of real time to decide for himself then there will be something to talk about.

For now, mom needs to understand she is putting too much pressure on a 10 year old.  


 And you are reading things into the OP to suit your agenda.

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You have to be the most oblvious person I know.

This is a 10 year old boy.

He doesn't know what either a boyfriend or a girlfriend is at this point.

The mother is a whack job.



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lilyofcourse wrote:

You have to be the most oblvious person I know.

This is a 10 year old boy.

He doesn't know what either a boyfriend or a girlfriend is at this point.

The mother is a whack job.


 Ditto.

It would not surprise me to find out that some 10-year-olds are having sex.

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flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

You have to be the most oblvious person I know.

This is a 10 year old boy.

He doesn't know what either a boyfriend or a girlfriend is at this point.

The mother is a whack job.


 Ditto.

It would not surprise me to find out that some 10-year-olds are having sex.

flan


And you think that's normal and should be encouraged?????

 

You are fvcking nuts. 



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flan327 wrote:

I never said the mother was stupid.

None of us knows the whole story.

flan


I'll say it--she is.   



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huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

You have to be the most oblvious person I know.

This is a 10 year old boy.

He doesn't know what either a boyfriend or a girlfriend is at this point.

The mother is a whack job.


 Ditto.

It would not surprise me to find out that some 10-year-olds are having sex.

flan


And you think that's normal and should be encouraged?????

 

You are fvcking nuts. 


 WHERE DID I SAY IT WAS "NORMAL?"

Try again, fool.

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flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

You have to be the most oblvious person I know.

This is a 10 year old boy.

He doesn't know what either a boyfriend or a girlfriend is at this point.

The mother is a whack job.


 Ditto.

It would not surprise me to find out that some 10-year-olds are having sex.

flan


And you think that's normal and should be encouraged?????

 

You are fvcking nuts. 


 WHERE DID I SAY IT WAS "NORMAL?"

Try again, fool.

flan


That is exactly what you are insinuating.  You've been arguing that it is normal and ok for a 10 year old to be so aware of their sexuality--you fool.   



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Quite enough with the name calling - both of you.

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But that reaction from others, that nudge-nudge, wink-wink, he's-got-his-pick-of-girls reaction, kept happening. And it bothered me. My older son is gay. Yeah, he may only be in the fourth grade, but he's identified as gay since the beginning of first grade. It shows no signs of changing. All our close friends and family know our kid is gay, but a lot of people I worked with or people we just knew socially had no idea. And this lady-killer idea they had about my kid bothered me.
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here's mom's whole problem--additionally, how the hell at the kid's age does mom " KNOW " the kid is gay ?

she's an idiot for sure and if she continues in her neurosis she'll screw the other kids up as well--wonder what sort of " man " dad is ?

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Yeah there is no "nudge nudge wink wink" like people really think he is going home bedding down and having one night stands. Sheesh

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"It would not surprise me to find out that some 10-year-olds are having sex."

 

It's rare but not unheard of.

One of my neighbors was a substitute teacher in New York City schools. One day she heard some voices in a stairwell, and went to investigate ...

and found two 10 year old boys screwing an 8 year old girl. All were happy, willing participants.

 

When I was selling to gynecologists, every one of them had had at least one pregnant 10 year old girl in their practice.

 

But I think this Mom is nuts.



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"All were happy, willing participants.""

Seriously Ed? Some of your comments are very disturbing.

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"All were happy, willing participants.""

Seriously Ed? Some of your comments are very disturbing.


According to my neighbor, they ALL told her to go away and leave them alone. 

 



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