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Kids Who Take Vacations in the Middle of the School Year

As teachers, we're trained to give a major side-eye to parents who choose to pull their kids out of school for a family vacation.  Learning time is near-sacred, we tell their parents. Some things--illness, injury, family emergency--can't be helped. But vacations? They're optional--and planned. And should happen at times when school is not in session. Period.

My daughter's (all-girls Catholic) high school set aside a week in February as "ski week"--that's what they called it, without a trace of embarrassment. And notes went out in January reminding parents that girls were expected to BE IN SCHOOL unless there was no school that day, because the schedule had been designed to incorporate assigned breaks.  Administrators also designated one or two Fridays per month as a "professional learning" days for teachers--and that calendar tweak came with iron-clad instructions to take those only Fridays off for long-weekend family gigs. Because school time was sacred.

Or not.

All of this may seem downright hilarious to those public school educators whose students don't ever go on ski or any other vacations--the teachers who send food backpacks home with kids over weekends, and worry about academic backsliding and far worse during the weeks of summer and holiday breaks. For many children, school is the safest and most structured place they go, and attendance is their best shot at learning conventional things: reading, writing, math, and the principle exports of Uruguay. Or whatever their teacher (or, lately, the Common Core) deems Most Important.

However. Kids are always learning. You can't really regulate that, as hard as some schools try.

Kids are learning at ski resorts and on family vacations to national parks or the local campground. They're also learning when they veg for a week in front of the TV as their more fortunate classmates are hitting the slopes. Life is pretty much non-stop learning; the only questions are around the--buzzword alert!--value added by that learning. Hard to measure that.

Over at Politichicks, Leslie Deinhammer paints a rosy picture of the enriching family vacation, where little Tyler watches whales, calculates nautical miles and does some cross-generational bonding on the cruise ship (while presumably also learning how to be nice to Eastern European servers and avoid the casino when going to the pool for a healthy swim). Deinhammer includes the usual caveats: check in with the teacher to pick up a packet of work, and discuss trading off regular tests and assignments for a (yup, you guessed it) special report. She ends by pointing out that parents' busy schedules override school calendars--don't let those annoying teachers reproach you! You all deserve a vacation.

Deinhammer's over-the-top scenario made the word "entitlement" float before my eyeballs, but honestly? The Tylers of the world can afford to miss school, in the long run. Now, this makes teachers grind their teeth in frustration--because if Tyler misses some key tested concept, it's not going to occur to Mommy that it may have been covered while he was cavorting under the palm trees. It's going to be the teacher's responsibility to catch and remedy all his learning gaps, as well as reading his clever report about the Seychelles, a place that she can only dream of visiting.

Worth pointing out: all of this is made worse by weeks of state-mandated testing.

Still--let's make sure that we're going after the right culprits here: omnipresent standardization and test-based measurement and score competition. It's our collective belief that our own assignments, grades and delivery of content represent real, important learning, making a week off from school feel dangerous.  It's our expectation that one hard-working teacher can genuinely monitor 30 (or 150) students and juggle their mastery of a panel of required skills and concepts, using almighty data.

Even though a child may indeed be reveling in and absorbing the wonders of a rich travel experience, or a deeply rewarding family visit, back home in the classroom, they're...behind.

Several years ago, one of my 8th graders had the opportunity to go to Egypt with his father, who worked for an energy company. He would miss the last three months of a school year, returning in the fall. He was old enough to stay alone during the day, and his father shared some planned excursions in the Middle East--but he would not be attending school. They asked for his assignments in advance, so he could complete the 8th grade, by June.

Most of us provided tools for self-guided learning: packets, workbooks and, naturally, reports. The boy was a good student--this would be a memorable half-year, a chance to experience things his classmates could only read about. It's ironic, but the person who objected most strongly to this family's decision was his social studies teacher, well-known for his one chapter-a-week lesson planning.

The teacher's protests and dire warnings seemed to center on three things: The boy's grade (currently an A) might go down. Gathering up all the worksheets and tests would take the teacher a long time, and he was really busy. What if the boy merely copied the test answers out of the book (rather than reading the chapter, answering the questions at the end, copying the vocabulary words out of the glossary--then taking the test)? In other words--he might "cheat." And then his grade wouldn't be "real."

Yes--the family made the decision that a B or C in social studies wasn't the end of the world, but a father-son adventure this exciting shouldn't be missed.

Perhaps our real goal shouldn't be controlling family's vacation plans or trying to make a case for the things we traditionally do in schools.  It should be asking why some families "deserve" a vacation on their own terms, and get to make choices about their children's experiences--and some families never get those choices at all.



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First of all, I don't really know where she stands. As a teacher, of course she wants the kids in the classroom--but she readily acknowledges that:

A. most kids can handle some time out of school without it being a huge detriment to their learning.
B. if the family decides that the risk of a lower grade (provided they don't fail) is "worth it", then that is their choice and probably won't stunt the kid's future opportunities in the long run.
C. vacations can be learning experiences in and of themselves.

Where she really goes off the rails is the last paragraph where she stupidly wonders why some kids "deserve" such vacations when other kids will never get that chance.

It's not about anyone "deserving" anything. It's about family choice--and if the family doesn't have that choice, the school can no more control that than they can control whether or not the next day will be cloudy or sunny.

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I agree with your A,B, and C. While I'm not certain if I will pull my kids out for vacation, if I do, I will have given the decision plenty of thought and determined that it is the right choice for us.

It should be asking why some families "deserve" a vacation on their own terms, and get to make choices about their children's experiences--and some families never get those choices at all.

As to this, um, I 'deserve' to because I want to. It's no one else's business. And I get to make choices about my kids experiences because they are MY kids. Even if you plan your vacation during the 'appropriate' times, some families still wont have those choices, so I don't see what that has to do with anything.



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Sorry, but this kind of comes off like that Give Your Kids Cheap Santa Gifts because some people don't get much from Santa thing. No matter what you do, some families won't be able to do. You can't plan your life around that.

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What the heck?

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It's my kid. If I want to pull my kid out of school for a week for a ski vacation boo freaking hoo.

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Sorry, but this kind of comes off like that Give Your Kids Cheap Santa Gifts because some people don't get much from Santa thing. No matter what you do, some families won't be able to do. You can't plan your life around that.


Plus, if some families can't afford to go to Disneyland, then they won't be able to afford to go during the summer, either, so I don't see what it has to do with anything.   



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Sorry, but this kind of comes off like that Give Your Kids Cheap Santa Gifts because some people don't get much from Santa thing. No matter what you do, some families won't be able to do. You can't plan your life around that.


Plus, if some families can't afford to go to Disneyland, then they won't be able to afford to go during the summer, either, so I don't see what it has to do with anything.   


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If she's tired of students taking off for vacation, start giving zeros for the work missed and don't give them make-up options. Problem solved.

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If she's tired of students taking off for vacation, start giving zeros for the work missed and don't give them make-up options. Problem solved.


I highly doubt she can do that.  She has to follow school policy in that regard.  Most schools give students two days to make up work for each day missed.  Most would also require teachers to give students work in advance for known absences.   



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I do think kids need to be in school. I would agree with that. That being said if a parent wants to take their child out of school for whatever reason then that is totally up to them. They just have to deal with the consequences of that. We took SS out one day just for a fun day but we got all his work and ended up spending about six hours doing school work. But that's the price we paid.

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If she's tired of students taking off for vacation, start giving zeros for the work missed and don't give them make-up options. Problem solved.


I highly doubt she can do that.  She has to follow school policy in that regard.  Most schools give students two days to make up work for each day missed.  Most would also require teachers to give students work in advance for known absences.   


 The schools AROUND HERE mark an absence unexcused if it's for something like that.  Otherwise you have to bring a doctors note or some valid reason to be gone.  After so many unexcused absences the police can actually come serve you and you have to go to truancy court.  But it's a period of way more than a typical vacation.  Also, they are not REQUIRED to give out the make up work if it's an unexcused absence but most of the teachers will.



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So people are supposed to feel guilty over being able to take their kids on a vacation?

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If she's tired of students taking off for vacation, start giving zeros for the work missed and don't give them make-up options. Problem solved.


I highly doubt she can do that.  She has to follow school policy in that regard.  Most schools give students two days to make up work for each day missed.  Most would also require teachers to give students work in advance for known absences.   


 The schools AROUND HERE mark an absence unexcused if it's for something like that.  Otherwise you have to bring a doctors note or some valid reason to be gone.  After so many unexcused absences the police can actually come serve you and you have to go to truancy court.  But it's a period of way more than a typical vacation.  Also, they are not REQUIRED to give out the make up work if it's an unexcused absence but most of the teachers will.


If that's the school policy, then fine--but that isn't the policy everywhere, and regardless, a teacher has to follow it and can't unilaterally make up her own rules just because.  No matter what it is, she has to follow school policy.  



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I have this thing called a JOB that allows for such things if I choose to live within my means

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I have this thing called a JOB that allows for such things if I choose to live within my means


It's beyond ridiculous when one is touting welfare not only for things like food and rent--but extending it to things like Christmas presents and vacations. 

What's next?  I should feel guilty if I can buy a Mercedes and someone else can only afford a kia?  



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Kids are required to be in school. There are truancy laws. I also would not have a problem taking my kids out of elementary but they would get too far behind in HS

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Kids are required to be in school. There are truancy laws. I also would not have a problem taking my kids out of elementary but they would get too far behind in HS


Truancy laws vary greatly by state--and even by school district in some cases.  Most would not even kick in until a certain number of absences that would be far beyond the length of a typical vacation. 

 

I don't think high school vs. elementary would make much difference.  High school was easy.   



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That's why I said AROUND HERE. I only know what our truancy laws are. That's it. They're pretty uniform for all the school districts around here. I have friends with kids in most of them. And I already said that most truancy things don't kick in until far longer than a typical vacation.

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Right but the laws regard excused versus unexcused. If u have too many unexcused absences you will have to appear at the District magistrate.

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Right but the laws regard excused versus unexcused. If u have too many unexcused absences you will have to appear at the District magistrate.


I guarantee the parents appearing there are NOT the ones who take their kids to Disney for a week.   



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Right but the laws regard excused versus unexcused. If u have too many unexcused absences you will have to appear at the District magistrate.


 Yes. 



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Right but the laws regard excused versus unexcused. If u have too many unexcused absences you will have to appear at the District magistrate.


I guarantee the parents appearing there are NOT the ones who take their kids to Disney for a week.   


 I am not saying that.  Was just talk8ng about truancy in general.



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Right but the laws regard excused versus unexcused. If u have too many unexcused absences you will have to appear at the District magistrate.


I guarantee the parents appearing there are NOT the ones who take their kids to Disney for a week.   


 I am not saying that.  Was just talk8ng about truancy in general.


Which is not what the article or the discussion was about.  



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Right but the laws regard excused versus unexcused. If u have too many unexcused absences you will have to appear at the District magistrate.


I guarantee the parents appearing there are NOT the ones who take their kids to Disney for a week.   


 I am not saying that.  Was just talk8ng about truancy in general.


 I was just stating OUR absenteeism policy.  That's it.  I wasn't speaking for everyone else.  Just us.  My only point was this would fall into an UNEXCUSED absence and the teacher wouldn't be required to give out the make up homework.



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You miss 5 unexcused days here and you will have to go to a truancy meeting.

If the kid misses 10 class periods in a certain subject, they fail the course regardless of their grade. Excused or unexcused.

All three of my kids had surgery at different times in elementary school. Tonsils.

I sent doctor notes a week before, I sent doctor notes half way through the time out, and I sent doctor notes when they went back. They all kept their grades up and they passed all tests without a problem but I had to go each time and "explain" to a truancy officer.

They take school very seriously here.

Cause if the kid isn't in school for a certain amount of days, the school loses money.


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When my kids were in elementary, jr & sr high school, I would give them ONE "hooky" day (if they were passing all their subjects) per marking period (4 in a year). They HAD to stay home during the school day (and believe me, I called!), but they could do anything they wanted - sleep, watch the boob tube, whatever. When I got home from work, we'd have a good time fixing dinner together. Sometimes, they just needed a break.



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A kid cant even cut out a few days early at the end of the school year here.

They will spend a week at the end of the year watching movies but the last 2 days is finals.

The last 2 days before any break is testing.



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When my kids were in elementary, jr & sr high school, I would give them ONE "hooky" day (if they were passing all their subjects) per marking period (4 in a year). They HAD to stay home during the school day (and believe me, I called!), but they could do anything they wanted - sleep, watch the boob tube, whatever. When I got home from work, we'd have a good time fixing dinner together. Sometimes, they just needed a break.


 My mom did that!  It was fun.  Unexpected too.  She would just say, "Want to stay home today?"  We stayed home all day and just did nothing.



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I want to have days like that.. when it is really cold and yucky out. DD is at an age where she gets upset when she misses school though.

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I loath these draconian policies. They are 110% based on the current policies of "teaching to test". There is no longer fluidity in curriculum building because there is too much information that will be tested (state and federal level) on every 2-4 weeks vs 20 years ago, when we tested the cumulative knowledge learned every quarter.

The problem with this scenario, is that:

1) Scientifically, children need more breaks than what our educational system is giving them. There are more studies on the neuroscience of learning and body maturation (to include the brain) that showcases how our system is actually making it worse for our kids, not better. We point to Europe as pulling ahead, but forget to show in Europe kids still get physical activity (even in the ****ing snow) every single day, that they have longer school years, but shorter days, and (my favorite) separate the trade vs university kids at a young age and only show the test scores of the uni kids for the world comparisons.

2) In today's job/career market, parents are not as able to take time off during the breaks like they used to in the past. You get time off when you can. And when you have two working parents, trying to coordinate a week off of work?

3) School breaks are always more expensive. Beach houses and Disney and air fare can cost almost double than the off season. Heck, the cabin we are going to for Memorial Day weekend is $35 more a day during the week before and after MD, Tday and Christmas and $75 more a day during the summer.

We were overseas when the DODEA schools changed their attendance policy to not approving vacations. It didnt matter that the majority of DODEA schools are overseas and that most of those children have parents who are deployed, usually during the summers. God forbid your returning Mom or Dad want to take a family vacation during their reintegration leave.

DODEA follows the Common Core.

No one followed it, even at the school level. Because the administration understood.


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Too many people want the Schools to be the parent nowadays. And, the hysteria that every kid needs to get an A or be "the best" at literally everything. Why? Why does you kid have to "The Best"? Yes, I want my kids to work hard and apply themselves and THEIR best but they don't have to be The Best. And, I want my kids to be kids. They have all of their lives to work. Why can't they enjoy their childhood? I don't want my kids raised like the Chinese. I dont' want them to have tons of homework in grade school. I don't want Year round school either. So, they forget some stuff over the summer, big whoop.


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If I lived in a school district like Lily's, I would move or send my child to private school. That is ridiculous and over the top enforcement. No way I would put up with that.

I let my kids take a day off if they didn't feel like going to school. If they come to me and say they are just in no mood to sit through a day of school - how much will they really learn if I force them to go?

And if I want to take a vacation with my kids, I will. When DD's were in first and 7th grade, we went to Paris for a week during the school year. The first grade teacher loved the idea and gave DD a few worksheets to do to stay caught up. The 7th grade teachers had a fit at first, then came around. They thought DD would get too far behind. They gave us her work and she ended up being ahead of the classes when we returned.

If a kid is struggling in school, that's another story. But when a kid is excelling, it's almost cruel to keep them in school and missing out on opportunities.

I will be damned if I let a school district tell me when my family can take vaca. Every family and their workplaces are different. Not everyone can get vaca time off around the school calendar. I never could.

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I just wish the attendance rules were enforced consistently across the board here.

There are some who are always late, miss classes and days of school at a time and they never have anything said to them.

And I have to say I have noticed that a single parent tends to have the most trouble.



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Your kids had surgery and doctor's notes and you still had to go before the truancy board though? That is just uncalled for. I would have been a total b!tch at that meeting.

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We take SS to counseling. As long as we provide a doctors note for it he get an excused absence and no one says anything. Although they do have a weird policy that if your child isn't in school from 8-10 am they are automatically counted absent for the day. I don't know how that silly policy came about but we just make his appointments in the afternoon now. We generally have no issues with the school policy or the truancy. I do know that when they get into high school if they have a B or above and have not missed more than so many days, which includes EXCUSED absences, they get to opt out of finals and keep their grade the way it is. So that is a motivator.

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Truancy laws were set up to prevent kids from habitually skipping school and to force their lazy arse parents to actually be a parent. But, in the mindlessness of some educators, who think they are so special (sarcasm), the law has been abused in some cases. There is nothing wrong with taking a vacation during the school year, IMHO.
Gosh, I would not have been able to take my DD to Europe for 10 days if those laws had been in effect in 1998 and strictly enforced.
Thankfully, around here anyway, the law is not strictly enforced. I have one friend who's family vacations for 10 days starting the first week of December. They have taken a Disney Cruise twice now in the last four years, a cruise to Mexico and to a bunch of other islands. They are wealthy, so they can afford it. They also farm and can not vacation during the summer. So, yeah, they have a very good reason for vacationing in December or January or February, the down season for farming.
I have to agree with husker on this one.
Some people seem to think EVERY SINGLE PERSON deserves my experience or money or benefits or lifestyle in order to be equal. BS

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Your kids had surgery and doctor's notes and you still had to go before the truancy board though? That is just uncalled for. I would have been a total b!tch at that meeting.


Oh yeah.

And it got crazier.

With C it was just a meeting in the schools office with a representative. After I produced copies of all the notes, surgery papers and asked the principle why those notes were not already seen by the rep. I was told the matter was closed.

Then J and A had theirs out at the same time. Again I sent notes and made copies of every single one.

I was notified by mail to appear in a mediation over this.

Now they had been out repeatedly due to illness that lead to the tonsils being taken out. All with doctor notes.

I had to show those copies and all the surgery papers and I had to have a note from the doctor saying both the boys had surgery the same day.

I was told then that they would not accept any more notes for any time out. I asked if it was their policy to accept doctor notes. They said yes. I asked if they had doctor notes for every single time they were out. And again it was yes. I said I had complied with their policies and they told me it was closed.

Then in, I think 7 grade, J had nasal surgery. He was out for almost 3 weeks. one of those was a school break. Notes all around again.

I got a call telling me they would not accept the doctor notes and that I needed to appear before a judge.

I asked if all the notes were from the doctor, they said yes. I asked if it was their policy to accept notes from doctors as excused abscesses, they said yes. I asked if I had complied with their own policy and they said yes.  

I told them I would not appear before a judge. I had fulfilled my end of the policy and if they continued to harass me or my kids they would hear from my attorney.

I never heard anything else from them.

 

 



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I need a vacation...

flan


So do I.  


 Where should we go???

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We take SS to counseling. As long as we provide a doctors note for it he get an excused absence and no one says anything. Although they do have a weird policy that if your child isn't in school from 8-10 am they are automatically counted absent for the day. I don't know how that silly policy came about but we just make his appointments in the afternoon now. We generally have no issues with the school policy or the truancy. I do know that when they get into high school if they have a B or above and have not missed more than so many days, which includes EXCUSED absences, they get to opt out of finals and keep their grade the way it is. So that is a motivator.


Our kids have to be in school 4.5 hours a day to be counted present. However, if they are checked out in the afternoon, those classes are counted as absences. They have to have notes for them.

And if they miss 10 class periods in a particular subject, excused or not, they fail the course. No matter the grade.

And if they are late to class 5 times, it is counted as one absence.

Our kids can no longer opt out of exams.

Thankfully, they have stopped the graduation exams. No matter the grades of a child, if they did not pass the graduation exam, they could not graduate until they did.  



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flan327 wrote:
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I need a vacation...

flan


So do I.  


 Where should we go???

flan


Hmm, I'm thinking.. 



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I do know here that if your child misses so much school, even with doctors notes, you will have to appear before the judge. From what I've seen the judges are pretty good. But they will ask you why your child has been out so much and what are your plans on fixing the problem. If they've been sick the judge will ask you if you are doing something to make sure your child is being educated while they are out. Whether you are getting the homework or homeschooling or what alternative you have put in place. They will also ask if your child is going to return to school and when. I think basically they just want to know kids are getting an education and are trying to make parents responsible for that.

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DD had a friend with mono who missed a whole grading period. Her parents were in contact with the school the whole time. No one needed to see a judge. Where we lived, judges were for people who did not make arrangements with the school, whose parents were not communicating or for kids who were just defying the parents and not going to class.

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From the perspective of having working in the public school system ...

If a vacation is educational or ties into the curriculum in some way, I feel that the experience will be more educational than sitting in the classroom. Teachers spend so much time trying to control kids with behavior issues (not special needs kids, kids whose parents can't be arsed to parent them and those kids who simply don't want to be there and act up) and trying to get all of the students (most, if not all, of who have differing abilities) to comprehend what is being taught that they can't effectively teach. Plus, there's all the assemblies, teach to the test crap, overloaded curriculum, etc. There's simply not enough time in the school day to be an effective teacher.

However, it's still important that parents make sure their kids keep up with their classwork. Unfortunately, actually experiencing the curriculum (a trip to DC, for example) is rarely accepted in lieu of classwork.

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Mellow Momma wrote:

DD had a friend with mono who missed a whole grading period. Her parents were in contact with the school the whole time. No one needed to see a judge. Where we lived, judges were for people who did not make arrangements with the school, whose parents were not communicating or for kids who were just defying the parents and not going to class.


 Maybe those were the cases in court MM.  I don't know them all personally.  I did have the chance to sit in on truancy court one day.  One girl had been sick off and on with throat stuff the whole year.  Maybe her parents didn't communicate with the school.  I don't know.  I know the judge asked the father when the girl would be returning to school and what plan they had for her education in the mean time.



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From the perspective of having working in the public school system ...

If a vacation is educational or ties into the curriculum in some way, I feel that the experience will be more educational than sitting in the classroom. Teachers spend so much time trying to control kids with behavior issues (not special needs kids, kids whose parents can't be arsed to parent them and those kids who simply don't want to be there and act up) and trying to get all of the students (most, if not all, of who have differing abilities) to comprehend what is being taught that they can't effectively teach. Plus, there's all the assemblies, teach to the test crap, overloaded curriculum, etc. There's simply not enough time in the school day to be an effective teacher.

However, it's still important that parents make sure their kids keep up with their classwork. Unfortunately, actually experiencing the curriculum (a trip to DC, for example) is rarely accepted in lieu of classwork.


 And that is why so many families are opting out of the public school system. Private schools and home schooling has increase dramatically in the last 10 years. Common core is another reason for opting out.

When the educators/administrators act like idiots, the good families are going to leave the system.



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just Czech wrote:
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From the perspective of having working in the public school system ...

If a vacation is educational or ties into the curriculum in some way, I feel that the experience will be more educational than sitting in the classroom. Teachers spend so much time trying to control kids with behavior issues (not special needs kids, kids whose parents can't be arsed to parent them and those kids who simply don't want to be there and act up) and trying to get all of the students (most, if not all, of who have differing abilities) to comprehend what is being taught that they can't effectively teach. Plus, there's all the assemblies, teach to the test crap, overloaded curriculum, etc. There's simply not enough time in the school day to be an effective teacher.

However, it's still important that parents make sure their kids keep up with their classwork. Unfortunately, actually experiencing the curriculum (a trip to DC, for example) is rarely accepted in lieu of classwork.


 And that is why so many families are opting out of the public school system. Private schools and home schooling has increase dramatically in the last 10 years. Common core is another reason for opting out.

When the educators/administrators act like idiots, the good families are going to leave the system.


 This is our experience. 

The private schools actually use common sense and don't make sweeping judgements. They tend to take things on a case by case basis. Public schools are all about the numbers and the test scores. The kids mean nothing to them. 



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Mellow Momma wrote:
just Czech wrote:
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From the perspective of having working in the public school system ...

If a vacation is educational or ties into the curriculum in some way, I feel that the experience will be more educational than sitting in the classroom. Teachers spend so much time trying to control kids with behavior issues (not special needs kids, kids whose parents can't be arsed to parent them and those kids who simply don't want to be there and act up) and trying to get all of the students (most, if not all, of who have differing abilities) to comprehend what is being taught that they can't effectively teach. Plus, there's all the assemblies, teach to the test crap, overloaded curriculum, etc. There's simply not enough time in the school day to be an effective teacher.

However, it's still important that parents make sure their kids keep up with their classwork. Unfortunately, actually experiencing the curriculum (a trip to DC, for example) is rarely accepted in lieu of classwork.


 And that is why so many families are opting out of the public school system. Private schools and home schooling has increase dramatically in the last 10 years. Common core is another reason for opting out.

When the educators/administrators act like idiots, the good families are going to leave the system.


 This is our experience. 

The private schools actually use common sense and don't make sweeping judgements. They tend to take things on a case by case basis. Public schools are all about the numbers and the test scores. The kids mean nothing to them. 


I agree with both of you, Czech and MM.

MM - You are spot on with your assessment of public schools. Additionally, the schools I worked at would fire a teacher if his/her students' test scores weren't good enough. I lost count of how many students would just fill in random answers on the test sheet. The teacher can't help this kind of mentality on the part of students.



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