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Readability Is a Myth

There aren't "difficult" books and "easy" ones. There are books that are difficult for some people, and easy for others.
 

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What's the most difficult book you've ever read? For me, at least within recent memory, there's no question—the book that was hardest for me to slog through, the book that I would have put down if I didn't have to read it for work, was E.L. James's Fifty Shades of Grey.

Fifty Shades of Grey is not the sort of book that most people think of when they think of difficult books. Instead, when thinking about books that are challenging, or hard to read, most folks' thoughts turn to imposing modernist book stops like Finnegans Wake (which I haven't read), or imposing philosophical tomes like Kant's Critique of Practical Reason (which I did read, long ago.)


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When Juliet Lapidos argued at The Atlantic that you have a moral and intellectual duty to finish a novel once you start it, the books she discussed were by Charles Dickens, Henry James, Ian McEwan—serious novels with some critical standing behind them. Those examples gave weight to her thesis that,"It may be disagreeable to slog through a novel that you stopped liking after 50 pages, but it’s a sign of strength." It makes sense to think of James as push-ups for the brain and soul, or to see McEwan as a fortifying vegetable of prose. If Lapidos had made her case using examples like E.L. James or John Grisham or the Left Behind series, her finger-wagging would have lost much of its oomph.

"Difficult," when applied to literature, generally refers to works that are hard to read, hard to get through, hard to finish. And for me, that describes Left Behind far more than it describes Atonement—the second of which I read twice in quick succession and would read again happily, while the first made me hate life and hope to be transported mid-sentence to another, better realm, somewhere in the sky, beyond this world of sin and hardship and pulp Christian kitsch. There are certainly some highbrow books with sesquipedalian sentences that I've had trouble getting through—Melville's interminable, rambling collection of anecdotes-to-nowhere about the Galapagos Islands, for example. But is my desire to stomp upon "The Encantadas" until it can trouble me no more really categorically different than my desire to hurl John Grisham (or at least his books) from a height?  

In the first case, I know, the fault is supposed to be in me, that I have failed to look deeply enough into the work of a master. In the second case, most people would say the fault is in John Grisham's shockingly vapid prose and brain-dead plots. But in both cases, the experience is one of repulsion, boredom, alienation. Melville and Grisham: They're both difficult for me to read.

So why should readers be open to labeling Fifty Shades as difficult (at least for some), rather than as just bad? There are a couple of reasons. First, I think it's more true to the experience of reading to see "difficult" as wrapped up in evaluation of "bad," rather than as separate. Most people are willing to admit, even if grudgingly, that aesthetic quality is to some degree subjective. You may (as I do) find Art Spiegelman's Maus a tedious, pompous slog, but that's a judgment about which reasonable people may differ (even if, of course, all right-thinking people agree with me.) But "difficulty" seems to hold out the possibility of more objective standards—to assure us that these books, over here, by Joyce and Faulkner, are 1000 pounds of pure prose, while these books over there, by Stephenie Meyer or Tom Clancy, are sniveling 90-pound weaklings of meretriciousness. It's as though "good" may be relative, but "tough" is always and everywhere the same.

Some people may love the sweep and romance of Gone With the Wind; for others, the unrelenting, vicious racism may be off-putting.

Again, the problem with this is that it isn't true: "Difficulty," like "good" or "bad," is subjective. Some folks (okay, many folks) may be put off by Henry James's endless sentences and deliberately opaque social vacillation, but others may find it engrossing. Some people may love to flip their way through Jack London's manly adventures; others may find a novel's worth of cruelty to animals so upsetting as to be unreadable. Some people may love the sweep and romance of Gone With the Wind; for others, the unrelenting, vicious racism may be off-putting. For that matter, most reader surveys indicate that men, as a group, don't read fiction of any sort.  Does that mean that men are serious-minded readers of non-fiction? Or does it mean that romance novels and mystery novels, those quintessential guilty pleasures, are, at least for some, difficult?

"I'll be grateful," Megan Stephan writes at Public Books, "when the back-and-forth chatter about whether our reading should make us feel guilty fades to a silence that allows me to hear the sound of pages turning." That's a widely held sentiment.  In our poptimist era, "guilty pleasures" have been so thoroughly recuperated that it sometimes feels like the only thing about which you're allowed to feel guilty is feeling guilty. But despite this broad validation of reading enjoyment, or perhaps because of it, displeasure continues to be viewed with unease.

"Difficulty" is one way to dismiss that unease—to say, well, if you don't like this important novel, it's because you aren't willing to do the hard work required to understand it. But recognizing that difficulty is various and subjective doesn't mean I should try harder to like Fifty Shades. Rather, it's a way to point out that opacity and frustration aren't necessarily errors or failures on the part of the reader. The experience of reading is often the sound of no pages turning—an absence as varied, as complicated, and as important as pleasure.

 

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wouldn't say it's a myth at all--if you've read joyce, faulkner, woolf or any of the " stream of consciousness " authors you would ( as most reasonable people would ) say they are definitely more difficult to read ( or " follow " or " grasp " or " comprehend " ) than clancy or grisham--part of the art form--hemingway, whitman, miller, hawthorne, vonnegut, lee, kesey, updike, rand, chandler even kerouac ( just naming a few americans ) are far more rewarding to " read " and " comprehend " than anything ever written by clancy or grisham

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Apparently the author of this has never read The Sound and the Fury. I don't think it's a myth either.

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Apparently the author of this has never read The Sound and the Fury. I don't think it's a myth either.


 I only read half of Anna Kerenina. I realized life is too short to continue reading a book I couldn't stand. 



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Apparently the author of this has never read The Sound and the Fury. I don't think it's a myth either.


 I only read half of Anna Kerenina. I realized life is too short to continue reading a book I couldn't stand. 


 OMG, same here! It took a lot of effort to make it that far too. 



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I don't read fiction. I have too much to read with my professional material, the school board and coaching books. No time to read novels. And I read a lot when I was younger but now that I have eye problems it gives me a headache and I get a lot of eye fatigue.

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I'm sorry LGS. I love getting lost in a book. My eyes will probably start giving me problems too. I am already not able to wear my contacts as much as I used to.

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It's OK. I used to read a lot. Now, I am too tired anyway after working and doing the normal stuff of life, lol.

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Apparently the author of this has never read The Sound and the Fury. I don't think it's a myth either.


 I only read half of Anna Kerenina. I realized life is too short to continue reading a book I couldn't stand. 


 OMG, same here! It took a lot of effort to make it that far too. 


 I didn't even get halfway.  I just couldn't make myself go on. 



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I'm sorry LGS. I love getting lost in a book. My eyes will probably start giving me problems too. I am already not able to wear my contacts as much as I used to.


 I love getting lost in a book too.  I read a lot.  None of it is heavy material.  It is just for entertainment.



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Readability is not a myth. It's important.

But so many different tastes abound.

To me, the purpose of the written word is to communicate.

If a book doesn't communicate well because it is ridiculously obscure, or every sentence is way too long, 

that's just as bad as something that is poorly edited, or has typos and spelling errors. At least in my book (ha!)

If you want to write crazy, keep a journal.

If you are being published, remember you have an audience and communicate well.

And don't get me started on some of the self-published books. Ugh! Editors exist for good reason.



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I don't read fiction. I have too much to read with my professional material, the school board and coaching books. No time to read novels. And I read a lot when I was younger but now that I have eye problems it gives me a headache and I get a lot of eye fatigue.


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Readability is not a myth. It's important.

But so many different tastes abound.

To me, the purpose of the written word is to communicate.

If a book doesn't communicate well because it is ridiculously obscure, or every sentence is way too long, 

that's just as bad as something that is poorly edited, or has typos and spelling errors. At least in my book (ha!)

If you want to write crazy, keep a journal.

If you are being published, remember you have an audience and communicate well.

And don't get me started on some of the self-published books. Ugh! Editors exist for good reason.


 There are some authors I cannot read because of style - such as Anne Rice.  Which is too bad, because I really think I'd enjoy her stories.



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well, tolstoy was brilliant to be sure but if you think AK is difficult, try War and Peace--lord--actually read it twice in the course of eight years or so--to me, great prose has the capacity to speak to you, to reach your intellect, to make an impact on your consciousness--one reason great novels can be read at different times over the course of a lifetime and they often speak more clearly to you with each reading as your own experience and understanding of this life broaden--hemingway comes to mind ( of course ) or stephen crane--the red badge when read in your teens speaks differently to you than it does twenty or thirty years later--when perhaps you or someone close to you has experienced its truth firsthand--at that point, you're capable of appreciating the accuracy and brilliance of crane's work--a masterpiece indeed


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I'm sorry LGS. I love getting lost in a book. My eyes will probably start giving me problems too. I am already not able to wear my contacts as much as I used to.


 I love getting lost in a book too.  I read a lot.  None of it is heavy material.  It is just for entertainment.


 Same here. Especially lately. I'm loving my kindle for this reason. No one has to know what fluff I'm reading, lol. 



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I don't read fiction. I have too much to read with my professional material, the school board and coaching books. No time to read novels. And I read a lot when I was younger but now that I have eye problems it gives me a headache and I get a lot of eye fatigue.


 You need a kindle so you can adjust the font. 


 Thats really not the issue.



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Lexxy wrote:
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Apparently the author of this has never read The Sound and the Fury. I don't think it's a myth either.


 I only read half of Anna Kerenina. I realized life is too short to continue reading a book I couldn't stand. 


 OMG, same here! It took a lot of effort to make it that far too. 


 I didn't even get halfway.  I just couldn't make myself go on. 


 So glad we all agreed on that one. Once he started in on the agriculture and how to best reap the crops...I bailed. I wish he would have stuck to...you know...the frickin story!!!  Seriously, someone needed to edit that thing with a big ole red pen. 

 

Rant over. 

 

I read mostly non fiction now. I hate romance novels. I hate most novels actually. Any adult novel I have read, I just couldnt stand. The girl ALWAYS falls for the guy huh? No matter how dorky he is, or how poor, he always gets the girl? Yeah . Right. 

 



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I listen to a lot of books in the car. A good narrator can make the book's impact so much more powerful, at least for me. I have been driving down the highway, sobbing at the end of a book (Scorpio Races, by Maggie Stiefvater, for one). I don't know that I would have cried had I read the book.

And, as a librarian, can I just say how much I HATE AR levels?

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What are AR levels?

I have sobbed while reading several books.

I generally don't go for romances. I also tend to like series with returning characters. I like Lee Childs, Karin Slaughter, John Sanford.....there are others.

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What are AR levels?

I have sobbed while reading several books.

I generally don't go for romances. I also tend to like series with returning characters. I like Lee Childs, Karin Slaughter, John Sanford.....there are others.


 AR levels calculate the "exact" reading level of the book. For instance, a book with the level "3.4" means the 4th month of 3rd grade. The kids also take quizzes on the books they read, and those can ONLY be done at school.

There are far more fiction books with AR levels than non-fiction, and this can be tricky when the teacher assigns a class to read a biography, for example.

What happens far too often is that a parent will tell a child that they CANNOT read "below" their AR level. Way to make a kid hate reading!

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What are AR levels?

I have sobbed while reading several books.

I generally don't go for romances. I also tend to like series with returning characters. I like Lee Childs, Karin Slaughter, John Sanford.....there are others.


 AR levels calculate the "exact" reading level of the book. For instance, a book with the level "3.4" means the 4th month of 3rd grade. The kids also take quizzes on the books they read, and those can ONLY be done at school.

There are far more fiction books with AR levels than non-fiction, and this can be tricky when the teacher assigns a class to read a biography, for example.

What happens far too often is that a parent will tell a child that they CANNOT read "below" their AR level. Way to make a kid hate reading!

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 I'm not sure they had them when I was in school.  My parents let me read anything I wanted.  But other than Judy Blume & The Nancy Drew books I don't think there were many books geared to kids.  Not like now.



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What are AR levels?

I have sobbed while reading several books.

I generally don't go for romances. I also tend to like series with returning characters. I like Lee Childs, Karin Slaughter, John Sanford.....there are others.


 AR levels calculate the "exact" reading level of the book. For instance, a book with the level "3.4" means the 4th month of 3rd grade. The kids also take quizzes on the books they read, and those can ONLY be done at school.

There are far more fiction books with AR levels than non-fiction, and this can be tricky when the teacher assigns a class to read a biography, for example.

What happens far too often is that a parent will tell a child that they CANNOT read "below" their AR level. Way to make a kid hate reading!

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 I'm not sure they had them when I was in school.  My parents let me read anything I wanted.  But other than Judy Blume & The Nancy Drew books I don't think there were many books geared to kids.  Not like now.


 My DD10 is in 5th grade, and the Judy Bloom books are now below her level.  But, luckily, this year, she can pretty much read anything.  In 4th grade, they were not allowed to read below their level, and their AR tests and points were part of their grade.  Now, in 5th, meeting your AR "goal" is just extra credit.



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What are AR levels?

I have sobbed while reading several books.

I generally don't go for romances. I also tend to like series with returning characters. I like Lee Childs, Karin Slaughter, John Sanford.....there are others.


 AR levels calculate the "exact" reading level of the book. For instance, a book with the level "3.4" means the 4th month of 3rd grade. The kids also take quizzes on the books they read, and those can ONLY be done at school.

There are far more fiction books with AR levels than non-fiction, and this can be tricky when the teacher assigns a class to read a biography, for example.

What happens far too often is that a parent will tell a child that they CANNOT read "below" their AR level. Way to make a kid hate reading!

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 I'm not sure they had them when I was in school.  My parents let me read anything I wanted.  But other than Judy Blume & The Nancy Drew books I don't think there were many books geared to kids.  Not like now.


 My DD10 is in 5th grade, and the Judy Bloom books are now below her level.  But, luckily, this year, she can pretty much read anything.  In 4th grade, they were not allowed to read below their level, and their AR tests and points were part of their grade.  Now, in 5th, meeting your AR "goal" is just extra credit.


 I stopped reading them about that age too.  Then in middle school is when the VC Andrews books came out & were all the rage.  I know James Patterson has books aimed for young readers.  I'm not sure how young though.  There are several other popular authors who aim for teens.  My ex's teen boys loved books called Cirque something or other.  They were of the horror genre I think.



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Cirque du Freak. DS LOVED those books...

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Cirque du Freak. DS LOVED those books...


 Oh yeah! I forgot how popular those were!

Now it's Rick Riordan & the Erin Hunter books, among others.

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What are AR levels?

I have sobbed while reading several books.

I generally don't go for romances. I also tend to like series with returning characters. I like Lee Childs, Karin Slaughter, John Sanford.....there are others.


 AR levels calculate the "exact" reading level of the book. For instance, a book with the level "3.4" means the 4th month of 3rd grade. The kids also take quizzes on the books they read, and those can ONLY be done at school.

There are far more fiction books with AR levels than non-fiction, and this can be tricky when the teacher assigns a class to read a biography, for example.

What happens far too often is that a parent will tell a child that they CANNOT read "below" their AR level. Way to make a kid hate reading!

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 I'm not sure they had them when I was in school.  My parents let me read anything I wanted.  But other than Judy Blume & The Nancy Drew books I don't think there were many books geared to kids.  Not like now.


 My DD10 is in 5th grade, and the Judy Bloom books are now below her level.  But, luckily, this year, she can pretty much read anything.  In 4th grade, they were not allowed to read below their level, and their AR tests and points were part of their grade.  Now, in 5th, meeting your AR "goal" is just extra credit.


 That sounds reasonable.

And dealing with a parent whose child has not been doing their reading the entire quarter, and has to earn 10 points by Monday... (Typically, a quiz for a first or second grader is worth .5 points.)

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DS7's class (2nd grade) has to get 3 A/R points per week, for a total of 27 A/R points per quarter. Last quarter DS had 104 points. I think it's safe to say I have a reader! His current reading level is at 6th grade, so he usually picks a 4-5 point book at the beginning of the week, and also reads several 0.5-1 point books per week too. By Wednesday he normally has more than the required points for the week. Of course it helps that we have tons of books at home, and any he reads at home can be brought in to test on Monday (if a test exists in the system). We have the "only tests at school" rule too, because of parents taking the tests for their kids. For them though, they have their reading level range that they are encouraged to get a book for a week, but any books read can count towards the points, because the main goal is to read something.

DS5 is in Kindergarten, so they aren't in the A/R program yet, although his teacher would like hime to be. Right now, he does a "book report" once a week, but reads 3-4 half point books a week.


I'm a big advocate for child literacy, but I hate it when the reading gets limited. Just because a 2nd grader can read at a higher level doesn't mean they shouldn't read outside of it. Maybe they test higher but feel more comfortable with lower level books. Why not let them read those books until they feel ready to try something different? If a kid tests at one level, why not allow them to read something that may be above that level? Really, what is the harm? Is it better to just frustrate a kid to the point that reading is more of a chore than fun? I certainly don't think so!

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Wow Demonia it sounds like both your boys are readers! That is awesome. I love to read. My brother is barely above illiterate. He is a hands on type of person. He can build anything. It was difficult for him in school but I think he may be more adaptable in the real world than I am.

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DS7's class (2nd grade) has to get 3 A/R points per week, for a total of 27 A/R points per quarter. Last quarter DS had 104 points. I think it's safe to say I have a reader! His current reading level is at 6th grade, so he usually picks a 4-5 point book at the beginning of the week, and also reads several 0.5-1 point books per week too. By Wednesday he normally has more than the required points for the week. Of course it helps that we have tons of books at home, and any he reads at home can be brought in to test on Monday (if a test exists in the system). We have the "only tests at school" rule too, because of parents taking the tests for their kids. For them though, they have their reading level range that they are encouraged to get a book for a week, but any books read can count towards the points, because the main goal is to read something.

DS5 is in Kindergarten, so they aren't in the A/R program yet, although his teacher would like hime to be. Right now, he does a "book report" once a week, but reads 3-4 half point books a week.


I'm a big advocate for child literacy, but I hate it when the reading gets limited. Just because a 2nd grader can read at a higher level doesn't mean they shouldn't read outside of it. Maybe they test higher but feel more comfortable with lower level books. Why not let them read those books until they feel ready to try something different? If a kid tests at one level, why not allow them to read something that may be above that level? Really, what is the harm? Is it better to just frustrate a kid to the point that reading is more of a chore than fun? I certainly don't think so!


 You make some excellent points!

Often when a child's reading level is far beyond their grade level, the problem of content & interest come into play. Just because a 3rd grader can read at an 8th grade level doesn't mean YA books are appropriate, for example.

And we have one elementary school where a couple grades group by colors, to keep the kids from comparing AR levels. So a parent comes in & asks for "pink" books for their second grader...confuse

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Wouldn't they just compare colors then? It isn't hard to figure out which color is higher by the books allowed to be read. Why confuse everyone else in the process? Our school uses a color dot process too, but each correspond to a reading level. The color dots helps the younger ones locate their "level" book easily in the school library but they also know their actual level so they can go to the public library or books for home etc.



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My problem with AR is that you get "punished" for trying a harder book. For example if you read at a 4th grade level, and try a 6th grade level book because it interests you, and you don't get enough points on the test...you have to read ANOTHER book to get the points you need. It basically forces you to "read down" so you can ensure you get the points you need.

DD liked to read, but struggled to sit, so comprehension was an issue. She liked to read above grade level, but whenever she did she didn't get enough points (like LL, it was a test grade and if you didn't get all the points on the test, you basically had to start over again). It was hard enough getting the book read before the end of the 9weeks, if she didn't pass, she was screwed. She was better off reading "easy" books and passing. That's a great lesson to teach kids!

Luckily, we got past AR and she is a great reader in spite of it. I have found AR only really helps those who are already great readers. Those who aren't become frustrated very easily or just read below their level on purpose.

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My problem with AR is that you get "punished" for trying a harder book. For example if you read at a 4th grade level, and try a 6th grade level book because it interests you, and you don't get enough points on the test...you have to read ANOTHER book to get the points you need. It basically forces you to "read down" so you can ensure you get the points you need.

DD liked to read, but struggled to sit, so comprehension was an issue. She liked to read above grade level, but whenever she did she didn't get enough points (like LL, it was a test grade and if you didn't get all the points on the test, you basically had to start over again). It was hard enough getting the book read before the end of the 9weeks, if she didn't pass, she was screwed. She was better off reading "easy" books and passing. That's a great lesson to teach kids!

Luckily, we got past AR and she is a great reader in spite of it. I have found AR only really helps those who are already great readers. Those who aren't become frustrated very easily or just read below their level on purpose.


I don't remember AR.

Paul chose the "Lord of the Rings", for his reading.

Most of the other kids in his class, picked one of the Harry Potter books.

He was in the 5th grade, at the time.

His 5th grade teacher, sent us an e-mail. Asking that Paul, do something easier.

I e-mailed her back, and asked that she give his choice, a chance.

He read, "The Lord of the Rings". (All 3 books)

He understood it. He got it.

Some kids, shouldn't be forced to, dumb down.

JMHO.

 



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I think AR and the other "ranking" method, Lexile, are both newish.

Neither of my boys had to deal with them!

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