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The Vengeful Divorce

How wanting to get even can ruin you and your divorce

Oh, how we all like to be right! Being right feels so good, and being wrong reminds us of our imperfections. The desire to be right starts even as young children – the sounds of “Are too!” and “Am not!” echoing across the playground. As we move into adulthood, most of us learn to admit when we are wrong, at least to some extent. But when faced with a divorce, your reaction may be to go straight back to that childish behavior. Certainly the end of our marriage is not our fault. If “he” or “she” hadn’t done “A” “B” or “C," or they had done “X” “Y” or “Z," we wouldn’t be in this situation! Ergo: our soon to be ex is wrong, or at a minimum wronged us, and NOT the other way around. Because they have wronged us we are the victims, and as victims we are entitled to revenge for having to endure this divorce that was forced upon us by no fault of our own.

What? Really? You have no responsibility for your own divorce? You want the world to proclaim you the good guy? Who are you kidding? It takes two, and even if there was that “thing”, the straw that broke the camel’s back, your troubles started a long time ago if you are getting divorced. So, if nothing other than you stayed too long in a marriage that wasn’t truly lifting your life and your soul, you played a role. Only when you admit that to yourself, and stop placing blame, can you start to rid yourself of your “victim role” and look at making your own new future.

When you go through your divorce with the goal of revenge, there is no winning. When you view your divorce in terms of black and white, good and bad, victim and evil doer, your perceptions of reality become distorted. You cannot clearly evaluate decisions for your future when you are focused on someone else. You will inevitably gauge your options according to what will hurt your soon-to-be ex or exact that “price” you think they owe you, not how it will affect you or your future. When the motivation in your divorce is punishment, you lose both. Decisions made during your divorce need to be made at your highest points of clarity, after you have clearly envisioned and planned and budgeted and considered your future goals. Distorting your vision and ignoring your future trying to prove the other kid on the playground wrong will only hurt you. Decisions made during your divorce impact your future. The money you throw at getting divorced will not be available for your future. You do not get a do-over on your divorce once it’s done, so decide what matters. You don’t get the money and time back you spent arguing about minutia. Prioritize and focus on your own life during your divorce – your future life.

And if you really think you are getting back at someone by putting negative energy into making them “realize” their errors – think again. First, no matter what you do, your soon to be ex is not likely to suddenly exclaim “I was a horrible person, and you were perfect!” (and I can assure you no judge is going to proclaim you the saint and your soon to be ex the sinner either – it’s not their job and they don’t care). Second, showing your soon to be ex how miserable they have made you is not really revenge either.

If you really want “revenge," then become totally, utterly, and thoroughly happy, however you define that. If you currently can’t see your way to happy, then get counseling or coaching. Holding a grudge only holds you back – letting go is your freedom. How will you know when you have reached divorce health? You will wish your soon to be ex a happy life, too. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/life-after-divorce/201501/the-vengeful-divorce

 

 

 

 



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Our friends just went through a divorce. It was pretty acrimonious on both sides. I think, though, that she was probably more "vengeful" than he was. Her demands were pretty outrageous in terms even of child support compared to his income.

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Our friends just went through a divorce. It was pretty acrimonious on both sides. I think, though, that she was probably more "vengeful" than he was. Her demands were pretty outrageous in terms even of child support compared to his income.


 That's just idiotic on her lawyers part. Child support is determined by a formula. There is little to no negotiation about it. 



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Our friends just went through a divorce. It was pretty acrimonious on both sides. I think, though, that she was probably more "vengeful" than he was. Her demands were pretty outrageous in terms even of child support compared to his income.


 That's just idiotic on her lawyers part. Child support is determined by a formula. There is little to no negotiation about it. 


But she got it.  $1,000 a month--and he doesn't even have a job.  



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Our friends just went through a divorce. It was pretty acrimonious on both sides. I think, though, that she was probably more "vengeful" than he was. Her demands were pretty outrageous in terms even of child support compared to his income.


 That's just idiotic on her lawyers part. Child support is determined by a formula. There is little to no negotiation about it. 


But she got it.  $1,000 a month--and he doesn't even have a job.  


 Did he recently have a job? Is he laid off? The judge may think that he quit to avoid paying child support and is trying to get him to go back to work. 



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Our friends just went through a divorce. It was pretty acrimonious on both sides. I think, though, that she was probably more "vengeful" than he was. Her demands were pretty outrageous in terms even of child support compared to his income.


 That's just idiotic on her lawyers part. Child support is determined by a formula. There is little to no negotiation about it. 


But she got it.  $1,000 a month--and he doesn't even have a job.  


 Did he recently have a job? Is he laid off? The judge may think that he quit to avoid paying child support and is trying to get him to go back to work. 


He lost his job--part of the reason for the divorce in the first place. 

He tried to start his own business--but that is not working at all. 

He is applying for jobs, but he recently got a DUI, so it's tough.  His bonehead mistake, but it doesn't change the reality of the economic situation.  



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That's rough. I hope he figures something out. Even if he were married though he probably needed to contribute that much to keep the household running.

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That's rough. I hope he figures something out. Even if he were married though he probably needed to contribute that much to keep the household running.


Oh, he needs to get a damn job.  I told him his "business" was a stupid idea--but he wouldn't listen to me at the time.

 

Now he's applying for jobs all over--but the DUI is making it hard.   



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huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
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Mellow Momma wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

Our friends just went through a divorce. It was pretty acrimonious on both sides. I think, though, that she was probably more "vengeful" than he was. Her demands were pretty outrageous in terms even of child support compared to his income.


 That's just idiotic on her lawyers part. Child support is determined by a formula. There is little to no negotiation about it. 


But she got it.  $1,000 a month--and he doesn't even have a job.  


 Did he recently have a job? Is he laid off? The judge may think that he quit to avoid paying child support and is trying to get him to go back to work. 


He lost his job--part of the reason for the divorce in the first place. 

He tried to start his own business--but that is not working at all. 

He is applying for jobs, but he recently got a DUI, so it's tough.  His bonehead mistake, but it doesn't change the reality of the economic situation.  


 Yeah, sounds like a winner.  I wouldn't waive his child support, either, if I was the judge.  He is legally responsible to support them. 



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Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

Our friends just went through a divorce. It was pretty acrimonious on both sides. I think, though, that she was probably more "vengeful" than he was. Her demands were pretty outrageous in terms even of child support compared to his income.


 That's just idiotic on her lawyers part. Child support is determined by a formula. There is little to no negotiation about it. 


But she got it.  $1,000 a month--and he doesn't even have a job.  


 Did he recently have a job? Is he laid off? The judge may think that he quit to avoid paying child support and is trying to get him to go back to work. 


He lost his job--part of the reason for the divorce in the first place. 

He tried to start his own business--but that is not working at all. 

He is applying for jobs, but he recently got a DUI, so it's tough.  His bonehead mistake, but it doesn't change the reality of the economic situation.  


 Yeah, sounds like a winner.  I wouldn't waive his child support, either, if I was the judge.  He is legally responsible to support them. 


I'm not saying to waive it--but it's too high.  Even when he gets a job, it isn't likely to support that sort of number. 

She's no prize, either.  She doesn't make squat.  She pretty much relied on him to be the bread-winner for their entire marriage, then she wants the divorce, but pretty much wants the financial arrangement to continue.  



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huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

Our friends just went through a divorce. It was pretty acrimonious on both sides. I think, though, that she was probably more "vengeful" than he was. Her demands were pretty outrageous in terms even of child support compared to his income.


 That's just idiotic on her lawyers part. Child support is determined by a formula. There is little to no negotiation about it. 


But she got it.  $1,000 a month--and he doesn't even have a job.  


 Did he recently have a job? Is he laid off? The judge may think that he quit to avoid paying child support and is trying to get him to go back to work. 


He lost his job--part of the reason for the divorce in the first place. 

He tried to start his own business--but that is not working at all. 

He is applying for jobs, but he recently got a DUI, so it's tough.  His bonehead mistake, but it doesn't change the reality of the economic situation.  


 Yeah, sounds like a winner.  I wouldn't waive his child support, either, if I was the judge.  He is legally responsible to support them. 


I'm not saying to waive it--but it's too high.  Even when he gets a job, it isn't likely to support that sort of number. 

She's no prize, either.  She doesn't make squat.  She pretty much relied on him to be the bread-winner for their entire marriage, then she wants the divorce, but pretty much wants the financial arrangement to continue.  


 Thus the reason for the CS amount.  How many kids?



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I have met quite a few people and who just give off a "divorced" vibe. Like the very first thing they talk about when you first meet them is how they got burned by an Ex. I am sure it is very painful, but some people just really carry that around with them.

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"your soon to be ex is not likely to suddenly exclaim “I was a horrible person, and you were perfect"

My ex did exclaim this. The divorce was all on him. We had been married only a few days before the abuse started. I was pregnant and have researched this mentality that unexpected pregnancies will push some guys over the edge and they try to "kill" the baby by creating "accidents' for their wife. Pretty surreal stuff.

He woke up a few years later, apologized, begged me to come back, etc. but it was too late for me.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

I have met quite a few people and who just give off a "divorced" vibe. Like the very first thing they talk about when you first meet them is how they got burned by an Ex. I am sure it is very painful, but some people just really carry that around with them.


 Divorce is a horrible, emotional experience.  And if soon after the experience, it will be the topic of the day for a year or so.  OTOH, some people, especially the bitter ones, will whine about it for decades.



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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

Our friends just went through a divorce. It was pretty acrimonious on both sides. I think, though, that she was probably more "vengeful" than he was. Her demands were pretty outrageous in terms even of child support compared to his income.


 That's just idiotic on her lawyers part. Child support is determined by a formula. There is little to no negotiation about it. 


But she got it.  $1,000 a month--and he doesn't even have a job.  


 Did he recently have a job? Is he laid off? The judge may think that he quit to avoid paying child support and is trying to get him to go back to work. 


He lost his job--part of the reason for the divorce in the first place. 

He tried to start his own business--but that is not working at all. 

He is applying for jobs, but he recently got a DUI, so it's tough.  His bonehead mistake, but it doesn't change the reality of the economic situation.  


 Yeah, sounds like a winner.  I wouldn't waive his child support, either, if I was the judge.  He is legally responsible to support them. 


I'm not saying to waive it--but it's too high.  Even when he gets a job, it isn't likely to support that sort of number. 

She's no prize, either.  She doesn't make squat.  She pretty much relied on him to be the bread-winner for their entire marriage, then she wants the divorce, but pretty much wants the financial arrangement to continue.  


 Thus the reason for the CS amount.  How many kids?


Two--but regardless, you can only pay what you can afford to pay--and it's too high for his income, especially when that income is zero at this point.

 

Even under the most optimistic of scenarios, it would be too high and way out of any "guidelines" if and when he does get a job.   



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huskerbb wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

Our friends just went through a divorce. It was pretty acrimonious on both sides. I think, though, that she was probably more "vengeful" than he was. Her demands were pretty outrageous in terms even of child support compared to his income.


 That's just idiotic on her lawyers part. Child support is determined by a formula. There is little to no negotiation about it. 


But she got it.  $1,000 a month--and he doesn't even have a job.  


 Did he recently have a job? Is he laid off? The judge may think that he quit to avoid paying child support and is trying to get him to go back to work. 


He lost his job--part of the reason for the divorce in the first place. 

He tried to start his own business--but that is not working at all. 

He is applying for jobs, but he recently got a DUI, so it's tough.  His bonehead mistake, but it doesn't change the reality of the economic situation.  


 Yeah, sounds like a winner.  I wouldn't waive his child support, either, if I was the judge.  He is legally responsible to support them. 


I'm not saying to waive it--but it's too high.  Even when he gets a job, it isn't likely to support that sort of number. 

She's no prize, either.  She doesn't make squat.  She pretty much relied on him to be the bread-winner for their entire marriage, then she wants the divorce, but pretty much wants the financial arrangement to continue.  


 Thus the reason for the CS amount.  How many kids?


Two--but regardless, you can only pay what you can afford to pay--and it's too high for his income, especially when that income is zero at this point.

 

Even under the most optimistic of scenarios, it would be too high and way out of any "guidelines" if and when he does get a job.   


 Two kids?  Husker, 1k/month barely pays the grocery bill.  Then you have clothing, roof over the head, heat, electricity, sports fee, etc.  He can work at a convenience store or two, car wash, etc.  He made the babies, he needs to support them.



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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

Our friends just went through a divorce. It was pretty acrimonious on both sides. I think, though, that she was probably more "vengeful" than he was. Her demands were pretty outrageous in terms even of child support compared to his income.


 That's just idiotic on her lawyers part. Child support is determined by a formula. There is little to no negotiation about it. 


But she got it.  $1,000 a month--and he doesn't even have a job.  


 Did he recently have a job? Is he laid off? The judge may think that he quit to avoid paying child support and is trying to get him to go back to work. 


He lost his job--part of the reason for the divorce in the first place. 

He tried to start his own business--but that is not working at all. 

He is applying for jobs, but he recently got a DUI, so it's tough.  His bonehead mistake, but it doesn't change the reality of the economic situation.  


 Yeah, sounds like a winner.  I wouldn't waive his child support, either, if I was the judge.  He is legally responsible to support them. 


I'm not saying to waive it--but it's too high.  Even when he gets a job, it isn't likely to support that sort of number. 

She's no prize, either.  She doesn't make squat.  She pretty much relied on him to be the bread-winner for their entire marriage, then she wants the divorce, but pretty much wants the financial arrangement to continue.  


 Thus the reason for the CS amount.  How many kids?


Two--but regardless, you can only pay what you can afford to pay--and it's too high for his income, especially when that income is zero at this point.

 

Even under the most optimistic of scenarios, it would be too high and way out of any "guidelines" if and when he does get a job.   


 Two kids?  Husker, 1k/month barely pays the grocery bill.  Then you have clothing, roof over the head, heat, electricity, sports fee, etc.  He can work at a convenience store or two, car wash, etc.  He made the babies, he needs to support them.


So does she. 

 

Again, you can set the support order at 10 grand a month--but if the person paying it doesn't make 10 grand a month--then what good does it do?

 

You might as well set it at some reasonable number that they have a chance of paying. 

 

1,000 a month is an exceedingly high support order for two kids.  I've rarely ever heard of one that high unless the father is making six figures.   



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When I got divorced I told ex an amount I thought was good and he didn't like it. We let the lawyer do the worksheet they base cs on in my state and it was $5 a month more than what I had mentioned. Other than that we agreed on everything. No need to be ugly and drag things out. It really doesn't help anyone.

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huskerbb wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

Our friends just went through a divorce. It was pretty acrimonious on both sides. I think, though, that she was probably more "vengeful" than he was. Her demands were pretty outrageous in terms even of child support compared to his income.


 That's just idiotic on her lawyers part. Child support is determined by a formula. There is little to no negotiation about it. 


But she got it.  $1,000 a month--and he doesn't even have a job.  


 Did he recently have a job? Is he laid off? The judge may think that he quit to avoid paying child support and is trying to get him to go back to work. 


He lost his job--part of the reason for the divorce in the first place. 

He tried to start his own business--but that is not working at all. 

He is applying for jobs, but he recently got a DUI, so it's tough.  His bonehead mistake, but it doesn't change the reality of the economic situation.  


 Yeah, sounds like a winner.  I wouldn't waive his child support, either, if I was the judge.  He is legally responsible to support them. 


I'm not saying to waive it--but it's too high.  Even when he gets a job, it isn't likely to support that sort of number. 

She's no prize, either.  She doesn't make squat.  She pretty much relied on him to be the bread-winner for their entire marriage, then she wants the divorce, but pretty much wants the financial arrangement to continue.  


 Thus the reason for the CS amount.  How many kids?


Two--but regardless, you can only pay what you can afford to pay--and it's too high for his income, especially when that income is zero at this point.

 

Even under the most optimistic of scenarios, it would be too high and way out of any "guidelines" if and when he does get a job.   


 Two kids?  Husker, 1k/month barely pays the grocery bill.  Then you have clothing, roof over the head, heat, electricity, sports fee, etc.  He can work at a convenience store or two, car wash, etc.  He made the babies, he needs to support them.


So does she. 

 

Again, you can set the support order at 10 grand a month--but if the person paying it doesn't make 10 grand a month--then what good does it do?

 

You might as well set it at some reasonable number that they have a chance of paying. 

 

1,000 a month is an exceedingly high support order for two kids.  I've rarely ever heard of one that high unless the father is making six figures.   


 Depends on where you live, 1K / month is low for my area.  The wife didn't work during the marriage, that is what the courts look at.  He has made stupid mistakes that prohibit him from earning decent money and the court is not going to put this on the taxpayer in that they will force the father to do everything to support those kids so they don't end up on welfare.  IMO, they should do the same with the mother.



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I had a coworker that got like $3,000 in CS and alimony plus she worked and she cried broke all the time. She would steal food out of people's lunches and say she was hungry. We would tell her stop smoking 2 packs a day and she could buy food.

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

Our friends just went through a divorce. It was pretty acrimonious on both sides. I think, though, that she was probably more "vengeful" than he was. Her demands were pretty outrageous in terms even of child support compared to his income.


 That's just idiotic on her lawyers part. Child support is determined by a formula. There is little to no negotiation about it. 


But she got it.  $1,000 a month--and he doesn't even have a job.  


 Did he recently have a job? Is he laid off? The judge may think that he quit to avoid paying child support and is trying to get him to go back to work. 


He lost his job--part of the reason for the divorce in the first place. 

He tried to start his own business--but that is not working at all. 

He is applying for jobs, but he recently got a DUI, so it's tough.  His bonehead mistake, but it doesn't change the reality of the economic situation.  


 Yeah, sounds like a winner.  I wouldn't waive his child support, either, if I was the judge.  He is legally responsible to support them. 


I'm not saying to waive it--but it's too high.  Even when he gets a job, it isn't likely to support that sort of number. 

She's no prize, either.  She doesn't make squat.  She pretty much relied on him to be the bread-winner for their entire marriage, then she wants the divorce, but pretty much wants the financial arrangement to continue.  


 Thus the reason for the CS amount.  How many kids?


Two--but regardless, you can only pay what you can afford to pay--and it's too high for his income, especially when that income is zero at this point.

 

Even under the most optimistic of scenarios, it would be too high and way out of any "guidelines" if and when he does get a job.   


 Two kids?  Husker, 1k/month barely pays the grocery bill.  Then you have clothing, roof over the head, heat, electricity, sports fee, etc.  He can work at a convenience store or two, car wash, etc.  He made the babies, he needs to support them.


So does she. 

 

Again, you can set the support order at 10 grand a month--but if the person paying it doesn't make 10 grand a month--then what good does it do?

 

You might as well set it at some reasonable number that they have a chance of paying. 

 

1,000 a month is an exceedingly high support order for two kids.  I've rarely ever heard of one that high unless the father is making six figures.   


 Depends on where you live, 1K / month is low for my area.  The wife didn't work during the marriage, that is what the courts look at.  He has made stupid mistakes that prohibit him from earning decent money and the court is not going to put this on the taxpayer in that they will force the father to do everything to support those kids so they don't end up on welfare.  IMO, they should do the same with the mother.


Who said she didn't work during the marriage?   

 

Also, they don't live in your area. 



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DH pays almost two grand a month for one child. And his ex only pays $400/month in rent. So we KNOW that money is not all going to SS. It's the reality of the situation. (We know because she wanted to move once and asked us to keep an eye out for house that had the same rent that she pays now. $400/month or less.) Personally, I don't think any kid needs that much money a month to live on. Conversely, I was awarded $280/month for three kids when I got divorced. Yeah, didn't even pay for groceries.

I get tired of men whining about paying child support. Statistically speaking women get screwed at a much higher rate then men do. Most men walk away paying less money and contributing less time, energy, and support to the children than the men do. And I did say MOST.

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Our friends just went through a divorce. It was pretty acrimonious on both sides. I think, though, that she was probably more "vengeful" than he was. Her demands were pretty outrageous in terms even of child support compared to his income.


 That's just idiotic on her lawyers part. Child support is determined by a formula. There is little to no negotiation about it. 


But she got it.  $1,000 a month--and he doesn't even have a job.  


 That's not much of a "win".



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I was watching one of those judge shows the other day and the baby daddy was suing the baby momma for something he paid and wanted to be paid back and the judge asked him if he paid child support. He said no. She asked why? He said "they (2 kids) don't need anything, they have food, clothing, and a roof over their heads." The judge threw the case out right then and there.

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DH pays almost two grand a month for one child. And his ex only pays $400/month in rent. So we KNOW that money is not all going to SS. It's the reality of the situation. (We know because she wanted to move once and asked us to keep an eye out for house that had the same rent that she pays now. $400/month or less.) Personally, I don't think any kid needs that much money a month to live on. Conversely, I was awarded $280/month for three kids when I got divorced. Yeah, didn't even pay for groceries.

I get tired of men whining about paying child support. Statistically speaking women get screwed at a much higher rate then men do. Most men walk away paying less money and contributing less time, energy, and support to the children than the men do. And I did say MOST.


 The bolded; very true. I don't expect anything and manage my life so if no CS I am fine.  I don't need his money but what he pays cover less than half her expenses.  



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DH pays almost two grand a month for one child. And his ex only pays $400/month in rent. So we KNOW that money is not all going to SS. It's the reality of the situation. (We know because she wanted to move once and asked us to keep an eye out for house that had the same rent that she pays now. $400/month or less.) Personally, I don't think any kid needs that much money a month to live on. Conversely, I was awarded $280/month for three kids when I got divorced. Yeah, didn't even pay for groceries.

I get tired of men whining about paying child support. Statistically speaking women get screwed at a much higher rate then men do. Most men walk away paying less money and contributing less time, energy, and support to the children than the men do. And I did say MOST.


Then give custody to the father.  



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huskerbb wrote:
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DH pays almost two grand a month for one child. And his ex only pays $400/month in rent. So we KNOW that money is not all going to SS. It's the reality of the situation. (We know because she wanted to move once and asked us to keep an eye out for house that had the same rent that she pays now. $400/month or less.) Personally, I don't think any kid needs that much money a month to live on. Conversely, I was awarded $280/month for three kids when I got divorced. Yeah, didn't even pay for groceries.

I get tired of men whining about paying child support. Statistically speaking women get screwed at a much higher rate then men do. Most men walk away paying less money and contributing less time, energy, and support to the children than the men do. And I did say MOST.


Then give custody to the father.  


 If it were only that easy.



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DH pays almost two grand a month for one child. And his ex only pays $400/month in rent. So we KNOW that money is not all going to SS. It's the reality of the situation. (We know because she wanted to move once and asked us to keep an eye out for house that had the same rent that she pays now. $400/month or less.) Personally, I don't think any kid needs that much money a month to live on. Conversely, I was awarded $280/month for three kids when I got divorced. Yeah, didn't even pay for groceries.

I get tired of men whining about paying child support. Statistically speaking women get screwed at a much higher rate then men do. Most men walk away paying less money and contributing less time, energy, and support to the children than the men do. And I did say MOST.


Then give custody to the father.  


 If it were only that easy.


If the women who are getting "screwed" truly feel that way, they can give up custody on their own.    



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I am surprised at the number of parents who will move away from their child. Like out of State or hours or states away. I don't care what I would have to do. I would haul garbage for a living in order to stay near my children while they were growing up.

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I am surprised at the number of parents who will move away from their child. Like out of State or hours or states away. I don't care what I would have to do. I would haul garbage for a living in order to stay near my children while they were growing up.


 I agree. DD knew a girl who saw her Dad for 6 weeks in the summer and over Christmas or spring break. That's it. It would be hard to forge a relationship like that. 



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I am surprised at the number of parents who will move away from their child. Like out of State or hours or states away. I don't care what I would have to do. I would haul garbage for a living in order to stay near my children while they were growing up.


I am, too--but it works both ways.  A lot of times the custodial parent moves away with the kids, and that is unfair, also.  Usually it's for a new love interest.   



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One guy I knew, he took a job at the School as a janitor so he could stay in the same town and be near to raise his daughter. And, I am not saying ALL, yes, there are times a parent may have to move and there are reasons to so, but there better be a darn good reason.

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LOL people who have not been through the family court system always have grand ideas of how they would do things. Uh-huh. One day in court and YOUR ideas are thrown out. NEXT!

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I am surprised at the number of parents who will move away from their child. Like out of State or hours or states away. I don't care what I would have to do. I would haul garbage for a living in order to stay near my children while they were growing up.


I am, too--but it works both ways.  A lot of times the custodial parent moves away with the kids, and that is unfair, also.  Usually it's for a new love interest.   



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 Typically a judge has to decide if you can move away. If it isn't for a job/promotion you usually aren't given permission. 



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Kind of like talking about what you would do as parent before you have kids, lol. I guess you don't really know till you are in those shoes.

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LOL people who have not been through the family court system always have grand ideas of how they would do things. Uh-huh. One day in court and YOUR ideas are thrown out. NEXT!


That's why I CHOSE to never have a reason to go there. Better to avoid it in the first place.  



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My brother got screwed.

His "fling" said she wanted nothing to do with the baby before it was born--but of course, changed her mind when she realized she'd be giving up her personal slot machine.

Then she moved 8 hours away--and it was up to HIM to make travel arrangements if he ever wanted to see his daughter.

Finally, she voluntarily gave up custody--but he still has to pay child support.

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LOL people who have not been through the family court system always have grand ideas of how they would do things. Uh-huh. One day in court and YOUR ideas are thrown out. NEXT!


That's why I CHOSE to never have a reason to go there. Better to avoid it in the first place.  


 LOL just because one spouse CHOOSES not to divorce does not equate to the other spouse choosing.  You live in an idealic world Husker.  You have no concept of divorce, child custody, and family court.  You will be so unprepared if you ever have to go there.



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LOL people who have not been through the family court system always have grand ideas of how they would do things. Uh-huh. One day in court and YOUR ideas are thrown out. NEXT!


That's why I CHOSE to never have a reason to go there. Better to avoid it in the first place.  


 LOL just because one spouse CHOOSES not to divorce does not equate to the other spouse choosing.  You live in an idealic world Husker.  You have no concept of divorce, child custody, and family court.  You will be so unprepared if you ever have to go there.


I won't ever have to. 

 

I live in the world of my CHOOSING.  If you choose poorly--you end up like my brother.  



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Well, he should have chosen better. Tough taters.


So should have all the women who complain about getting "screwed".   



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Yes. We should have chosen better. But that doesn't absolve a father from his responsibilities just because he doesn't like his ex and doesn't want to pay for his children's care.

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Yes. We should have chosen better. But that doesn't absolve a father from his responsibilities just because he doesn't like his ex and doesn't want to pay for his children's care.


But it does a mother?   



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The percentage of non-custodial mothers are are "deadbeats" that do not pay child support is HIGHER than that of fathers. Obviously, the fathers have more gross numbers--but that's because the courts are skewed to give custody to the mother more often.

In addition, child support awards are LOWER for mothers ordered to pay such support--even when income is factored in.

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Well, he should have chosen better. Tough taters.


So should have all the women who complain about getting "screwed".   


 Ok.  Just making sure you are kerping it real lol.



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The percentage of non-custodial mothers are are "deadbeats" that do not pay child support is HIGHER than that of fathers. Obviously, the fathers have more gross numbers--but that's because the courts are skewed to give custody to the mother more often.

In addition, child support awards are LOWER for mothers ordered to pay such support--even when income is factored in.

 

Oh Good God Husker, your kids are grown, your spouse works, You have nothing to worry about. You have no fight in this game and no experience, so just sush it!

 



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The percentage of non-custodial mothers are are "deadbeats" that do not pay child support is HIGHER than that of fathers. Obviously, the fathers have more gross numbers--but that's because the courts are skewed to give custody to the mother more often.

In addition, child support awards are LOWER for mothers ordered to pay such support--even when income is factored in.

 

Oh Good God Husker, your kids are grown, your spouse works, You have nothing to worry about. You have no fight in this game and no experience, so just sush it!

 


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The percentage of "deadbeat" moms is actually higher than that of dads who won't pay, even though mothers are more consistently awarded custody of children by the courts.
Census figures show only 57 percent of moms required to pay child support -- 385,000 women out of a total of 674,000 -- give up some or all of the money they owe. That leaves some 289,000 "deadbeat" mothers out there, a fact that has barely been reported in the media.
That compares with 68 percent of dads who pay up, according to the figures.

Source: U.S. Bureau of Census

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Our friends just went through a divorce. It was pretty acrimonious on both sides. I think, though, that she was probably more "vengeful" than he was. Her demands were pretty outrageous in terms even of child support compared to his income.


 That's just idiotic on her lawyers part. Child support is determined by a formula. There is little to no negotiation about it. 


But she got it.  $1,000 a month--and he doesn't even have a job.  


 Did he recently have a job? Is he laid off? The judge may think that he quit to avoid paying child support and is trying to get him to go back to work. 


He lost his job--part of the reason for the divorce in the first place. 

He tried to start his own business--but that is not working at all. 

He is applying for jobs, but he recently got a DUI, so it's tough.  His bonehead mistake, but it doesn't change the reality of the economic situation.  


 Yeah, sounds like a winner.  I wouldn't waive his child support, either, if I was the judge.  He is legally responsible to support them. 


I'm not saying to waive it--but it's too high.  Even when he gets a job, it isn't likely to support that sort of number. 

She's no prize, either.  She doesn't make squat.  She pretty much relied on him to be the bread-winner for their entire marriage, then she wants the divorce, but pretty much wants the financial arrangement to continue.  


 Thus the reason for the CS amount.  How many kids?


Two--but regardless, you can only pay what you can afford to pay--and it's too high for his income, especially when that income is zero at this point.

 

Even under the most optimistic of scenarios, it would be too high and way out of any "guidelines" if and when he does get a job.   


 Two kids?  Husker, 1k/month barely pays the grocery bill.  Then you have clothing, roof over the head, heat, electricity, sports fee, etc.  He can work at a convenience store or two, car wash, etc.  He made the babies, he needs to support them.


So does she. 

 

Again, you can set the support order at 10 grand a month--but if the person paying it doesn't make 10 grand a month--then what good does it do?

 

You might as well set it at some reasonable number that they have a chance of paying. 

 

1,000 a month is an exceedingly high support order for two kids.  I've rarely ever heard of one that high unless the father is making six figures.   


 Then you are not privy to too many child support orders.  For a combined monthly income of $2800 in Nebraska - the shared support is $1004.00 for 2 kids and the non-custodial parent pays 67% of that.  And $2800 isn't much.  Working a $10 an hour job full time, you would make $1600 a month.   Multiply that by 2 and you get a combined monthly income of $3200.  For 2 children, the shared support amount would be $1,105.00 a month, and the NON-custodial parent pays 67% of that.

Obviously, the judge used prior income as a basis for potential income and based it on that.

 

Here is the child support table for Nebraska -

https://supremecourt.nebraska.gov/sites/court.cdc.nol.org/files/rules/forms/childsup-table.pdf

 

 

And here, I have a friend currently going through a divorce.  Her husband's income is about $55,000 and his monthly support obligation is $1083.  And we use a income share approach. 



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