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Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

Really? REALLY?

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

Why would a school expect a bunch of children to be responsible for their own security? It's stupid. I think it would put more kids at risk. If all the kids here had canned goods they would be assaulting each other with them.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Yes because every classroom is well stocked with canned goods.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

Lexxy wrote:
Yes because every classroom is well stocked with canned goods.

They want the kids to bring their own!

NAOW · Vette's SS

Actual weapons= bad. Weird things to use as weapons = good?
Really, if I'm worried enough that I'm having to decide which can of veggies will protect DD the most, then I'd rather just send her with a knife or pepper spray and take my chances.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

I wouldn't want my 11 or 12 year old to have to crouch down waiting for a gunman to burst into the room so he/she could hurl a can at him in an effort to deter him.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Southern_Belle wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Yes because every classroom is well stocked with canned goods.
They want the kids to bring their own!

I can just see it.....Johnny don't forget your algebra homework & your canned goods.

Seriously knocking around in their back packs those cans are going to get dented & either bust open or get botulism. Bad idea.

Ohfour · Hooker

Seriously? I would think that if there is a gunman in the room and a kid throws a can of corn at him, that kids is going to be shot. And where are they keeping these cans? If its under the desk, you would think that as soon as the kids make a strange move, bullets are going to start flying.

And another thing...if a gunman DOES come into the room, you think that the kids (especially elementary age) are going to think, oooh! I need to get my can of corn????? WTF, people?

ed11563 · Guru

A 16 ounce can of veggies (even if expired) has a longer range than a knife (range = zero feet) or pepper spray (range 6 to 10 feet).

If 10 kids are throwing cans at someone who is inside the doorway of the classroom, they are likely to seriously damage the target.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Maybe they should eat the beans instead and gas the gunman...

flan

Lindley · Guru

How about a armed trained retired security guard on campus.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

We could employ many ex military vets!

Lindley · Guru

That too!

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

If the door to the classroom opens in. All you need is a flip flop, or a sneaker, to jam under the door.

A really easy and cheap way, to keep intruders out.

chef · Guru

Lindley wrote:
How about a armed trained retired security guard on campus.

This.

chef · Guru

Southern_Belle wrote:
We could employ many ex military vets!

And this.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Our local radio station tested this out. They had a guy come through the door with a nerf gun shooting at people and they all through cans at him. Apparently, he only got one shot off and then had to start ducking cans, and got beaned with a few, and was shouting ouch on the radio. He ended up with some bruises.

I had to laugh.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Our local radio station tested this out. They had a guy come through the door with a nerf gun shooting at people and they all through cans at him. Apparently, he only got one shot off and then had to start ducking cans, and got beaned with a few, and was shouting ouch on the radio. He ended up with some bruises.

I had to laugh.

Because the kids were trained over and over again. It works!

Tinydancer · Guru

I think this would be fine as a last resort. Armed security and evacuations plans should be the first. If a shooter is in the room 20 kids throwing cans would at least give some a chance to run rather than hoping they can't be seen under the desk. Pocket knives and pepper spray could be problematic with regards to every other day.

NAOW · Vette's SS

I don't like the idea of putting the burden of safety on the elementary aged kids, but yes, as a last resort, it would be better than nothing.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

NAOW wrote:
I don't like the idea of putting the burden of safety on the elementary aged kids, but yes, as a last resort, it would be better than nothing.

I do think it's better than nothing. But it won't last. Some kid will throw a can at another kid, and then the vegetables will be deemed weapons.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

NAOW wrote:
I don't like the idea of putting the burden of safety on the elementary aged kids, but yes, as a last resort, it would be better than nothing.

But that is the thing. In an urgent situation, even with emergency services on their way, the kids (and us) need to know how to defend our selves. Throwing cans that are 12 oz plus will at the very least stun the perp and give more time for others to escape. We may not like our kids having to know this stuff, but it is good for them to know.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
NAOW wrote:
I don't like the idea of putting the burden of safety on the elementary aged kids, but yes, as a last resort, it would be better than nothing.
I do think it's better than nothing. But it won't last. Some kid will throw a can at another kid, and then the vegetables will be deemed weapons.

Not the way the kids are being trained. Those cans are deemed hands off by the kids if trained correctly. There will always be horrible kids that take advantage. Nothing you can do about that but throw the cans at them!

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Most classroom doors open in.

Make a door stop.

All you need is a flip flop or a sneaker.

The intruder will try to get in. He'll get stopped. By the door stop.

And he will most likely, move on.

Tinydancer · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
NAOW wrote:
I don't like the idea of putting the burden of safety on the elementary aged kids, but yes, as a last resort, it would be better than nothing.
But that is the thing. In an urgent situation, even with emergency services on their way, the kids (and us) need to know how to defend our selves. Throwing cans that are 12 oz plus will at the very least stun the perp and give more time for others to escape. We may not like our kids having to know this stuff, but it is good for them to know.

This is very true. Even in self defense classes they'll tell you that just about anything can be a weapon. Food cans, books, trash cans, pens, pencils, even chairs and desks for older children can distract or hurt the shooter. No, the children protecting themselves shouldn't be the first solution but it must be part of the training. Flight 93 ("Lets roll") proved that doing something is better than doing nothing in a situation like this.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

How do we explain the difference between "can of beans = weapon = good" and "pop tart bitten into gun shape = weapon = bad"?

WYSIWYG · Guru

"How do we explain the difference between "can of beans = weapon = good" and "pop tart bitten into gun shape = weapon = bad"?" - Tignanello

I was wondering that myself.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

The canned veggies I don't about but there is a self defense that teaches you to use every day items to defend and slow down and stop and attacker. So I am all for that.

If my kids took canned food to school with them, they would probably eat them. Most canned goods have pull tops now.

Hey. Maybe I just stumbled on an answer to school lunches....

Just throw a can of veggies and a plastic fork or spoon in their back pack and call it done.

NAOW · Vette's SS

WYSIWYG wrote:
"How do we explain the difference between "can of beans = weapon = good" and "pop tart bitten into gun shape = weapon = bad"?" - Tignanello

I was wondering that myself.

Exactly.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Tignanello wrote:
How do we explain the difference between "can of beans = weapon = good" and "pop tart bitten into gun shape = weapon = bad"?

School administrators can be stupid?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I am not in favor of teachers having guns period. However, I do believe that armed, trained security is a reasonable and smart measure.

On a side note, we had a discussion on the School Board about lockdown. What if the kids have to pee during a lock down? And theoretically, they could be locked down for hours. So, while some of these conversations seem strange, they do come up. But, yeah tossing a can of peas at a shooter, probably not going to accomplish much.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Maybe going more "home alone" is the answer.

Some marbles on the floor, a couple cans of paint swinging from the ceiling.

I think they are thinking in the right direction. Trying to figure out ways to slow down an attack. But this is not the answer.