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When kids want to quit

 

The first time my daughter said she wanted to quit the swim team, at age 8, I felt dumbfounded.

This is a child who has loved the water since her first YMCA swim class at 6 months of age, who cheers whole-heartedly for her teammates and who relishes the rare unfettered access to donuts and Ring Pops that summer swim meets provide. But when I gently shook her awake one Saturday morning, the first sound out of her mouth was a shriek of protest.

My mind raced with the sort of parenting questions that have no easy answers: Do we let her quit a sport that provides her healthy exercise and a fun social outlet? Do we make her take on something else? How would she learn grit and resilience if she just gave up?

I took a deep breath and plopped myself on the side of her bed, as her grievances continued. “I refuse to go to today’s swim meet! I hate it! You can’t make me!”

I tried reflecting listening. I tried reassurance. Clearly, she was nervous about letting her team down, and possibly tired from having to wake at 7:30 a.m. on a Saturday morning. The high-volume complaints went on.

Ultimately, I told her that my parental responsibility was to take her to the swim meet, but that she would decide whether to participate. “Nobody will throw you into the water,” I promised her, which seemed to break the tension, if not amuse.

She stalked into the car under protest. At the meet, my husband and I stayed out of sight as her first event drew closer, and her coaches deftly talked her into the pool. Her skinny body sliced through the water, goggle-clad eyes trained intently on the finish of the 25-meter freestyle. She emerged triumphant and was engulfed in the arms of her swim team friends. We breathed a sigh of relief.

Then came the following Saturday — another swim meet. Again, we were met with shrill protests. We used the same pass-the-buck technique to get her to the meet, which thankfully was the last of the summer. Clearly, we needed a long-term strategy.

In the D.C. area, parents are often accused of over-scheduling children simply so we can brag about their extracurricular exploits. We’re all seen as building our five-year old’s college resume when we first sign him up for Suzuki violin or T-ball. I try to avoid falling into the competitive parenting trap, although I may weaken at times. Ultimately, I want my daughters to know they are loved and valued for themselves, not for their accomplishments. I try to expose them to a variety of sports, arts, language and other enriching activities, and let them discover what they’re good at and enjoy. I’m under no illusion that my girls will win a college sports scholarship or become virtuoso pianists.

 
 
 

So why don’t I just let them quit? First, there’s my underlying hope that each girl will find “her thing” at which to shine, which will build self-confidence and inoculate her for the emotionally fraught middle school years. And frankly, it’s one of the pure joys of parenting to see your child work hard at an activity and perform well.

Then, there’s the concern that the desire to quit stems from a fear of failure or a preference for sitting on the couch rather than working to develop a skill. Often, my girls begin a new experience with enthusiasm, only to see their passion wane as the weeks go by. In my experience, you can’t really know if you enjoy or are suited for something unless you give it a decent amount of time. Trying something new requires more than a few weeks of one-hour exposures at a time. You sometimes hit a wall – when it becomes tougher to progress – that can be overcome if you just stick with it a few more weeks.

After our experience with swim meet related tantrums, my husband and I decided to take a more proactive approach at the beginning of every activity. We agree with our girls on the length of the commitment they want to undertake. Whether that’s an eight-week soccer season or 10-week dance class, they agree that they’re going to continue the experience to the end, even if they decide it’s not for them. We put this agreement in writing and everyone signs it. We hope this teaches the importance of follow through as well as the reality that activities cost money, which we’re not interested in wasting.

Once this system was in place, the first time our daughter claimed, “I hate this! You made me sign up!” we pulled out the agreement. Argument over. I also threw in some sympathy about how hard it can be when an activity isn’t what you expected, and reassured her that she didn’t need to sign up for the next session.

While our method has worked well for a couple years now, it’s not without hiccups. Once, my youngest daughter ran into a stumbling block with violin. It seemed her whole body was rebelling whenever the time came for practice or a lesson. Reminders of our violin agreement fell on deaf ears. But when I asked what she wanted to do, she suggested stabbing a cardboard box with her ballpoint pen. Seemed simple enough to me! After venting her emotions – and tearing that box to shreds – she willingly picked up the violin.

 
 

And of course, I wouldn’t force them to continue an activity if they were in extreme pain or discomfort, whether physical or emotional. When my middle daughter’s six weeks of tennis lessons turned out to be with an instructor who refused to believe she was female because of her short hair (seriously), we let her drop out of the class.

Sometimes, this parenting framework means that my children decline to sign up for another session of an activity that I’ve seen them enjoy and do well. Then, I merely bite my tongue and remind myself that it’s their life to live, and their interests to develop. And I hope a friend will innocently ask, as one did this week, “Are you doing summer swim this summer?” The answer just might be yes, like it was this time (so far), and it will be hers to give.

If the answer is no, I remind myself that I was once a quitter myself. Violin, piano, ballet, flute, gymnastics, modern dance – none lasted more than a handful of years. These activities may not have led to Julliard, but they did cement a lifelong love of music and dance. As a semi-professional singer, I rely on the sight-reading ability that I honed at the piano to learn new songs quickly. And I can walk into any exercise class confident that I’ll at least be able to follow the instructor. If my daughters can broaden their horizons and uncover an enjoyable hobby, I’ll consider that a success.

Katherine Reynolds Lewis http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/parenting/wp/2015/01/12/when-kids-want-to-quit/

 



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I make my kids finish the season, or the year or whatever the time frame is. We don't allow quitting mid way through anything. You made a commitment to something and so you see it through. When the time comes to sign up again, you can choose to not sign up. But when you start...you finish. No matter how much you don't like it.

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I used to think that but now I don't. Life is about trying new experiences. And, trying something new doesn't mean it has to become your full time job or life's passion. It's a hobby. If you took up quilting and decide you didn't like it, what would be served by making you quilt for 3 more months? And, personally, I used to think that quitting was a disservice to the Team, but actually, a kid that wants to quit who stays on the Team is truly doing more of a disservice to the Team than by quitting. If your heart isn't in it, then better to step down and let another kid step up and have an opportunity to play if you don't really want to. And, there are some sports where not playing heart and soul are down right dangerous. If your heart isn't in football, I think that making a kid play who really doesn't want to is a bad plan and likely to result in a kid getting injured. I would allow my child to quit under those circumstances.
However, that doesn't apply to everything. Sometimes there is time period where I would expect them to complete. For instance when my son wanted to play the trumpet in 4th grade, I said, yes, I will purchase you a trumpet but you WILL be in band from 4 - 6th grade. After that, it is your decision. He did play then in 7th and quit in 8th because it conflicted with football and he lost interest. I do not consider quitting something to have been wasted time. While he no longer plays, he did learn about music and get some exposure and background.
Same with my other 2, my other son on drums and DD on piano. I did make them continue that but my other son doesn't play much anymore, however DD has really taken to the piano. There is a point in life where they need to OWN it themselves, or not. And, if not, that is OK too.

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And, I get it. We dont' want to make it too easy in life to be a quitter. However, we want to allow our kids to explore and try. And, if they have miserable experiences being forced to continue something , then I think they are going to be less likely to try the next thing that truly might be their thing. I don't think it is Either/or but a balance of knowing when to walk away and knowing when to grit it out.

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I have a rule. If it is something you try out for, you usually have a couple weeks before the try outs to practice and such. If in that time you feel you don't want to participate, fine. You don't have to.

But once you try out and are picked, then you will finish the season, year or whatever it is. It isn't fair to the others on the team to leave them hanging.

If it is something you volunteered for, then you finish what you started.

After that, you don't have to volunteer again.

Of course when if and when they say they want to quit, I ask questions. If they have a good reason, like true mistreatment or something serious then that will be dealt with accordingly.

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That's a good point. You can give it a try in the beginning, but if not for you, then bow out before the season starts. That seems pretty fair.

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I also agree if you volunteer to do a charity drive or work a soup kitchen or something like that, then yes you need to honor those commitments.

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DS2 was a fast runner, and was on his HS track team for one season. He was fast, but not fast enough to win.

So next he joined the Wrestling team. He wanted to quit after two weeks ... 

 

First, from day #1 the coach was VERY verbally abusive to everyone.

 

Second, a few days later the coach had them start their "candy drive". He (and everyone else) was required to go door to door and sell $200 of overpirced chocolate bars. 

 

He refused.

 

At one point I considered just donating the money...

The coach insisted that selling the candy "built character" and "built teamwork".  No, it doesn't. 

And yelling at my son that he's a "worthless little girl" and a POS for not selling candy ... 

 

Done. Bye bye.

 

 



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Abusive coaches need to be FIRED, period. We wouldn't tolerate teachers being abusive but why do we with coaches? Coaches should be held to the same standard as teachers. They shouldn't be allowed to curse and swear at kids or during games.

As for selling, I don't sell anything. Instead, I just buy whatever it is myself. I just consider it a Pay to play fee and get that annoyance out of my hair. For $50 or whatever, I will just buy it and be done with it.

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I have told coaches or leaders outright "I will not buy or sell anything. Tell me how much you hope to earn in profit from each kid and I will write a check for that amount". Not how much to you expect to sell...how much profit do you expect to earn. Big difference. In a lot of cases I donated more than they were counting on. Selling $200 in crap gets you $50 if you are lucky. I would donate $75 and bypass the insanity.

One of DD's activities made it an option one year and only a few kids sold things.

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Abusive coaches need to be FIRED, period. We wouldn't tolerate teachers being abusive but why do we with coaches? Coaches should be held to the same standard as teachers. They shouldn't be allowed to curse and swear at kids or during games.

As for selling, I don't sell anything. Instead, I just buy whatever it is myself. I just consider it a Pay to play fee and get that annoyance out of my hair. For $50 or whatever, I will just buy it and be done with it.


 I agree about the verbally abusive coaches. They give all coaches a bad rap. 

 

DH expects a lot from his players, and he lets them know when he is upset with them or if they haven't met his expectations. He does it in a way that makes them want to do better though. Not in a way that is degrading. I can't tell you how many players told him he was like another parent. That's what a real coach does. 



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Yes. We need coaches with high standards who expect kids to work hard and we want tough coaches. Yes the others do give the good coaches a bad rap for sure. But coaches can absolutely be tough and promote excellence.

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I also make DD finish out the season or class or whatever. Most of the time she wants to 'quit' she just is bored, or wanting a break. Every year about this time (halfway through the class year) she wants to quit ballet. After about a month or two she is over it. Then the recital comes at the end and she is all excited to do it again the next year.

She complains about softball almost every practice, but once she is there she has a lot of fun and can't wait for the next one.. so, yea, we wouldn't be doing her any favors by letting her quit.

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And when a kid really wants to quit, they will. Even if they are still going to the games and practices. If they really don't want to do it, you will know.

I do think parents have a tendency to over schedule activities for kids too. We have seen them. The kids that go constantly and the parents just keep signing them up for everything.

I think we need to teach our kids balance. Pick one or two things you are really passionate about and if there is time and energy for something else, fine. If not, you don't have to do everything.



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You aren't doing the team any favors to make a kid play who truly doesn't want to.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

You aren't doing the team any favors to make a kid play who truly doesn't want to.


 While this is true, if the child had to try out for a spot on the team, they are leaving the team with a hole if they quit.  Also, some other kid that wanted that spot doesn't have it.  I would make my child to see the season thru.



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No. If they leave it gives another kid a chance to step up who wants to be there. Lack of effort and caring is farmore detrimental to a team.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

No. If they leave it gives another kid a chance to step up who wants to be there. Lack of effort and caring is farmore detrimental to a team.


 Depends on the age group.  But I agree that if vacating a spot allows another kid to move up then that is good.



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Believe me. We try to do everything we can to engage new players. But there are a few who are dropped off for free babysitting. Some of them are very disruptive and it isnt fair to the rest of the team. And having them leave sooner rather than later is a big relief to everyone.

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I do think off days are good for kids.

I was in marching band up until my Senior year. I even made the guard again Senior year and would have been recognized during Senior night. But I had spent so much time with practice and try outs and games and all that went with it, by senior year I was just burnt out.

So I made the decision to quit. I did so several weeks before our first game and knew there was plenty of time to tighten up the formation. I had done it for 3 years. So I knew how long it would take to fix it.

My director was a real douche. He was knew that year and liked to call the girls heifers and ask the if their tampon was twisted if they had anything at all to say about anything.

I didn't need it anymore. I didn't want my last year to be miserable.

Did I miss it? A little.

Did I enjoy being able to go to the games and just have fun with my friends? YES!

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Believe me. We try to do everything we can to engage new players. But there are a few who are dropped off for free babysitting. Some of them are very disruptive and it isnt fair to the rest of the team. And having them leave sooner rather than later is a big relief to everyone.


 I think that's a different situation. It doesn't sound like those kids were the ones who opted in to begin with. Their parents pushed them into it. That's a horse of a different color. 

 

If my kid comes to me and says she wants to do something, I will let her do it, but I will also make her see it through to the end. No team activity is buffet style - you can't just show up for the parts you want. 

 

DH used to have parents who didn't understand why their kid had to come to practice in order to play in the games. Can't they just show up to game day - he/she is the best one on the team, it isn't fair! Ummm no. It's a team sport, coming to practices is part of it. He told them you wouldn't join a dance team and just show up for the recital. Same thing. 



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One of the main reasons my DD10 doesn't want to play sports is the insane schedule. Practice constantly and then the games - she would have no free time. Around here coaches love school holidays - they can call longer practices. They still schedule games on fall break and spring break - etc, so family can't go out of town, because the kid will get penalized if they miss practice or a game. It's supposed to be time OFF. So, she won't even start because she doesn't want it to take all her time.

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Some of this is out of control. And whatever happened to Intramural leagues? Where you just formed teams in your own school and played each other in your own gym? It has become an all or nothing thing. And, there are lots of kids who would enjoy playing sports for fun and for a period of time but don't want to play competitive and travel leagues.

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DD plays 7th grade basketball. Her coaches didn't seem to mind clowning around in practice and acting like idiots. DD was pretty annoyed by that as she is a serious player. However, one of the girls went to Disney with her parents during the Season and the coach benched her for like 3 games! We were like, what the heck? I mean, when you go on vacation is not within your control as a child. Sheesh.

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This is not a "one size fits all" question or answer.

Children by their very nature of being children, have short attention spans, do not know what they like or do not like (hello, they haven't experienced much), do know know what their strengths and weaknesses are (again, if they haven't done something yet, how do you know?), do not know HOW to work together as a team...yadda yadda yadda

It is up to the parent to help mold/grow/parent your child to become the best person THAT child is to be.

And that means giving your children an opportunity to experience a variety of activities to FIND your child's likes and dislikes AND talents and non-talents. That also means pushing your children, whose age appropriate maturity and mental levels would have them quite 9 times out of 10, to finish something that they started for their own sakes.

That also means, taking each situation's situation into account when deciding if its best to push.

My 6 year old daughter takes piano lessons. She will take/practice a musical instrument for the next few years because there is enough scientific evidence that learning and playing an instrument is extremely important ( http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/2012/08/21/even-a-few-years-of-music-training-benefits-the-brain/ ) As a parent wanting the best for my child, I am making the executive decision that she will be "forced" for 3-4 years.  However, I will allow her to try a number of instruments until she finds one she likes best. 

The same with an activity.  We will try out one action activity, a team sport or dance, etc a season until we find one that she enjoys enough to do.  And if she turns into Drama kid, we will allow her to substitute that out durning the school year.  

Because children need to learn how to work with each other, how to lose, how to be dependent upon someone else and depend on others to fulfill the goal.  AND they need to be active.  

I would never force her to stay with an activity that she truly loathes.  If its because of the coach, I will deal with the coaching issues first (my father coached and reffed for the last 40 years, so I have an idea of what a good and bad coach vs a good and bad parent is) and then let her go.  But if its because she is bored...the season isn't turning out like she wanted or she didnt make BFFs along the way...oh well.  That is another life lesson she needs to learn how to deal with at an early age. 

I am a hard parent at times.  I am this way because I saw how my husband and his ex would allow SS to start and stop activities all of the time.  And as much as I love my husband, he was a sucky father, in that he would let SS drop whatever it was vs trying to work with SS to fix it and/or finish it.   He can't work with others because he was never force to.  He can't work with strong or bad or weak bosses because no one forced him to deal with it.  

I swear the only reason why he has stuck with Basic Training right now, is because he knows with 110% certainty, he has NO PLACE TO GO if he washes out.  And even then, he is still getting himself in trouble with his flight and ITs.  

 

I will not allow that to happen to my daughter.  



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I agree completely ilumine.

Dh and I are debating putting dd into a music class for the same reason.

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I did tell DD flat out that you WILL take piano lessons and no she cannot quit. With an instrument, you do need to stick with it for at least some period of time to find out if it is for you. She has subsequently enjoyed playing and we have continued on with it. But, for the first year, it was a bit of a struggle. However piano is a lifelong instrument and value for her life more so than some other things.

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I would agree that for some reason music is a different issue. Being able to read music is a wonderful skill to have, and music literacy is coupled with higher grades in math...there are a lot of benefits.

So I am going to cop to a bad mommy moment here. DD has a gorgeous singing voice. All through elementary and middle school she was in choir. She even cantored mass for the all school mass in middle school. As she got more involved with sports, she lost interest in choir and singing. Well, the vocal performance teacher here heard DD sing at chapel and has begged her to be in the a cappella girls choir this spring. DD didn't want to - so I bribed her to do it. We have a contract written up for what she is getting and when it is to be paid out. Lol. She really had a chance to use her bargaining skills!

Not my best moment, but she is already involved in so many activities at school (she is class president, student council rep, she is a proctor) and I know her free time is limited. I thought it was fair to compensate her.

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I think, for the most part, yes--you make them finish. At least finish out the season, the year, or whatever.

The only exceptions I might make is if it is something that is very expensive and would cost YOU more than it's worth to teach this object lesson.

Well, there might be some other exceptions, but I can't think of any, now. Mostly, they should finish what they start, or they shouldn't start it.

My little niece the other day (it was actually Christmas) wanted Three deviled eggs. My pushover brother let her have all three instead of saying she could have one and if she finished that, then another. She didn't eat a one of them.

Now, maybe you can't "make" a kid eat what they don't want--but he sure could have not let her get them in the first place.

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I would agree that for some reason music is a different issue. Being able to read music is a wonderful skill to have, and music literacy is coupled with higher grades in math...there are a lot of benefits.

So I am going to cop to a bad mommy moment here. DD has a gorgeous singing voice. All through elementary and middle school she was in choir. She even cantored mass for the all school mass in middle school. As she got more involved with sports, she lost interest in choir and singing. Well, the vocal performance teacher here heard DD sing at chapel and has begged her to be in the a cappella girls choir this spring. DD didn't want to - so I bribed her to do it. We have a contract written up for what she is getting and when it is to be paid out. Lol. She really had a chance to use her bargaining skills!

Not my best moment, but she is already involved in so many activities at school (she is class president, student council rep, she is a proctor) and I know her free time is limited. I thought it was fair to compensate her.


 I don't think this is bad parenting at all.  Young kids don't always understand the long term benefits of those types of choices.  I think what you did is brilliant.



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I was in band when I was in school - played flute in concert band, then when I was 13 I wanted to play guitar, so I started taking lessons and loved it because it was my idea and it was on my terms. I took lessons from the band director at school. So when I was in 8th grade, about 6 months after I started playing guitar, the band director calls my parents, unbeknownst to me, and asks them if they would buy me a bass guitar. They said yes, so he told me I was going to play bass in jr. hi jazz band. I wasn't even consulted on this, it was just shoved on me. I HATED IT. I did it for a year. At that point in my life, I was afraid to stand up for myself and say "no, I don't want to play this" so I suffered. I didn't practice. I remember my dad one night yelling at me that I was going to come home every day and practice for an hour before I did anything else. I decided right then and there I wasn't going to play anymore. So I continued to be passive-aggressive and not practice. The band director finally figured it out, and asked if I wanted to play guitar instead, so I said yes. MUCH happier. He asked me about it later, and I told him I hated playing bass and was mad because it was basically forced on me.

All that to say, if a kid is really miserable, why make them continue? I did learn something from that -- I will say no to anything I really don't want to do. I was totally miserable for an entire year. Never again. I mean, people are told all the time if you don't like your job, find another one.

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I did tell DD flat out that you WILL take piano lessons and no she cannot quit. With an instrument, you do need to stick with it for at least some period of time to find out if it is for you. She has subsequently enjoyed playing and we have continued on with it. But, for the first year, it was a bit of a struggle. However piano is a lifelong instrument and value for her life more so than some other things.


I got out of piano lessons.  Right after my first lesson, I broke my arm. Was in a cast from middle of my fingers to my elbow for 6 weeks. and a half cast for another 4 weeks.

 



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Lily - I think that was a rather extreme reaction to having to take piano lessons.

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I think music is very important. And, all my kids had music training. I think the exposure is great. I just knew I had to have DD play for at least a period of time even if that meant forcing her to practice. However, she is now 13 and if she never showed interest to sit and play for fun or try to figure out songs, etc, then I would consider at this point that maybe it isn't for her. Nothing wrong with that. But, some parents seems to take these things personally. Nobody can be GOOD at everything, not even YOUR kid, lol. And, that is OK.

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