Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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OK, this is just dumb arse stupid on her part. However, fire her, send a letter to the teacher licensing board but do is this really worthy of using the court system for criminal charges? I don't know.

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 Showing kids explicit sex scenes should be criminal.   It was beyond stupid.  

Oh please, they watch that crap at home or at friend's houses. When my kids were LITTLE , they would say "oh yeah, I saw this or that R movie". And, I hadn't taken them to those movies, so yes they were watching that at other people's houses. I think she is a stupid dumb arse. And, I would have wanted her fired on the spot and reported her to the state board, but I don't know if we need to criminalize all stupidity.

Uh huh. You know exactly what your kids are doing at all times at someone else's house. You know what websites they have looked at, or what they looked at on someone else's phone. Sure you do.

Ok. Just a little objective observations.

These are high school kids. Not 10 year olds.

Was it the sex or the violence that was the real problem?

Faces of Death anyone?

1000 ways to die?

Slasher flicks of any kind?

So it probably wasn't the best choice for a classroom.

But yes, by 14 most kids have seen some kind of scary movie, know about sex and understand that sometimes the two merge.

I remember those Faces of Death movies when I was in school. Very disturbing, even now the memory of it can creep me out.

Heck, watch a music video.

I do see a double standard. People don't see what a kid is doing in their own home but get all bent out of shape when it happens in school.

A lot of schools use substitutes that are not licensed teachers - they are just people with a degree in anything. I wonder if this was the case here? It doesn't excuse the behavior, but it could explain why going to the licensing board won't work.

FNW wrote:

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I'll agree with Lily. It was inappropriate and she should be fired and prevented from getting another teaching job. But criminally charged?

I remember those Faces of Death movies. Creepy is an understatement. And at that age, it was a "tradition" to see those Friday the 13th movies every Friday the 13th. Then we'd drive into the hills and work ourselves up to being terrified at every little noise.  <sigh>  Fun times.

-- Edited by FNW on Sunday 18th of January 2015 01:57:39 PM

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I remember those Friday the 13th movies. And I remember after the 5th or 6th one, a local theater had an all night movie marathon.

You bought a bulk ticket, I think it was about $20 and then you spent the entire night watching the movies. It was a lock in type thing. The lobby was made to look like Crystal lake and they even had a "Jason" in a casket that you had to walk by to get in. He would grab at people and move and do all kinds of creep y things.

Then during the movie he would come in at different points and scare the poop out of you. He would settle into the seat next to you and just wait. Get in line behind you at the concessions or the bathroom.

The girls bathroom was the ONLY place you could go and be sure he wouldn't be there.

It was huge fun. We have a page in one of our year books that talks about those movies. It was extremely popular.

I think people try to over protect kids at school but pay no attention to what they are doing in their rooms.

 

She's a moron. She knew what she was showing . For some reason her pea brain thought it was fine.

Lol! Boobies! Omg.

So blood and guts are ok but sex isn't?

While I do not think the school is the place for either, I don't understand that line of thinking.

Why is someone being possessed or having their guts cut out ok but a couple having sex isn't?

lilyofcourse wrote:

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So blood and guts are ok but sex isn't?

While I do not think the school is the place for either, I don't understand that line of thinking.

Why is someone being possessed or having their guts cut out ok but a couple having sex isn't?

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 Yes.  For an adult to show explicit sex scenes to kids in inappropriate and you have to wonder if she is a sexual predator.  If a male teacher did this - I think you would agree more.

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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So blood and guts are ok but sex isn't?

While I do not think the school is the place for either, I don't understand that line of thinking.

Why is someone being possessed or having their guts cut out ok but a couple having sex isn't?

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 Yes.  For an adult to show explicit sex scenes to kids in inappropriate and you have to wonder if she is a sexual predator.  If a male teacher did this - I think you would agree more.

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 "Having their guts cut out"???

NOT OKAY.

I am gobsmacked.

flan

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 Well, I don't like it and still think she should be fired - but I wouldn't charge her criminally for that.  Sex is a different story - inappropriate sexual matters between teachers and students is illegal.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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So blood and guts are ok but sex isn't?

While I do not think the school is the place for either, I don't understand that line of thinking.

Why is someone being possessed or having their guts cut out ok but a couple having sex isn't?

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 Yes.  For an adult to show explicit sex scenes to kids in inappropriate and you have to wonder if she is a sexual predator.  If a male teacher did this - I think you would agree more.

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Actually, no. I don't automatically assume predator. Poor judgment yes.

I have said this wasn't the right venue. But I don't think it was done with malicious intent.

 

I have to wonder if this was something the sub brought or if it was on the list of approved movies.

Most subs are left a movie or two to show when a teacher is out.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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I have to wonder if this was something the sub brought or if it was on the list of approved movies.

Most subs are left a movie or two to show when a teacher is out.

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 I highly doubt she'd be in the trouble she's in if that was the case.  It's a rather relevant point.

A 2012 horror anthology on an approved school list? You have got to be kidding.

What was the class?

I am not defending anything. Just asking questions.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Where did it come from? Was it left by the teacher? Did the sub bring it? Was it part of the media center?

Have you seen the movies available in a high school?

All kinds of movies.

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 No, Lily - if the movie had been provided by the school and on their approved list - no charge would have even been brought. 

 

The class was Spanish.  I can't even comprehend the thought process that went into her selecting that movie for kids over say.....Shark Week.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Here is one districts approved list.

http://www.burke.k12.nc.us/technology/media/Pages/ApprovedVideos.aspx

Pretty Woman made the cut. So did the Glass Menagerie and Dirty Dancing.

And all those Shakespeare and Tennessee Williams plays made into movies.

What does a movie about a hooker have to do with anything they learn in school?

So this one sub showed a movie. If it was on the list of approved movies, then it only became a problem when it became a problem.

 

 

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 There is absolutely NO ALLEGATION that this was on the school's approved movie list.  NONE - and that would be pretty central to her defense.  You are grasping for some unknown reason. 

 

Go click that link I provided.  There is a preview for the movie - you have to enter your birthdate to view it.

 

As for Pretty Woman - I watched it along with several others in a film studies class to discuss the changing roles of women in society and how films react or do not react.  And if you look at the approved list on the link you provided - it will show that Pretty Woman is approved only for certain clips - not the entire movie. 

lilyofcourse wrote:

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I found the IMDb thing for the movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1935896/

Watched the trailer. It didn't show anything. Of course it is approved for all audiences.

l also looked it up on youtube. It is a compilation of short stories a lot like the 1000 ways to die that is shown on TV. It is a combination of cartoon, clay mation, and movies.

The quality of bad SciFi and B list scream movies.

Saw was worse than the clips I watched.

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 Watch the other one.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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LL. Have you ever watched Chainsaw Massacre? Halloween? Children of the Corn?

And not grasping for anything. I am asking questions.

Remember all those books that we all read in school that are now wrong? Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer?

On the approved lists. But then someone got upset about it.

And it wasn't the sex that was the problem. It was the violence.

I am not, nor have I said it was right. Just the opposite actually.

But I am not going to be sharpening the swords here.

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 Yep.  Saw all those movies.  But not in school.  And of course, I had an alcoholic mother who didn't understand the concept of parental supervision - so I don't base what I got away with as the model for my own parenting.  And I do not recall explicit sex scenes in them, either.  This isn't Halloween.  A kid would not be allowed in a theater to see it even WITH an adult and it was shown in schools by a substitute teacher. 

Did you watch the 17+ trailer, yet?  C'mon - if it's no big deal for the kids to watch the actual movie - why can't you watch the trailer?

Lawyerlady wrote:

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FNW wrote:

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I'll agree with Lily. It was inappropriate and she should be fired and prevented from getting another teaching job. But criminally charged?

I remember those Faces of Death movies. Creepy is an understatement. And at that age, it was a "tradition" to see those Friday the 13th movies every Friday the 13th. Then we'd drive into the hills and work ourselves up to being terrified at every little noise.  <sigh>  Fun times.

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 I don't care about the horror.  I care about a teacher showing "explicit sex" films to kids in school.  

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 I do, too.  Was that scene cut?

When I was in high school they showed Zefirelli's Romeo & Juliet.  There was nudity and sex in it.  But that scene was cut before it was shown.  Parents were outraged (Not mine).  I worked at the School District switchboard and the Superintendent's phone was blowing up.  Parents assumed since they saw Zefirelli's R & J that it was shown in its entirety.

We also saw Yellow Submarine and parents were outraged at that.  Not sure why.   

These movies were shown not necessarily for literary value or education, but because the temps were in the high 90's low 100's and the only two rooms at the school that had A/C were the movie auditoriums.   It was way to keep students from getting heat strokes.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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LL. Have you ever watched Chainsaw Massacre? Halloween? Children of the Corn?

And not grasping for anything. I am asking questions.

Remember all those books that we all read in school that are now wrong? Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer?

On the approved lists. But then someone got upset about it.

And it wasn't the sex that was the problem. It was the violence.

I am not, nor have I said it was right. Just the opposite actually.

But I am not going to be sharpening the swords here.

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 Yep.  Saw all those movies.  But not in school.  And of course, I had an alcoholic mother who didn't understand the concept of parental supervision - so I don't base what I got away with as the model for my own parenting.  And I do not recall explicit sex scenes in them, either.  This isn't Halloween.  A kid would not be allowed in a theater to see it even WITH an adult and it was shown in schools by a substitute teacher. 

Did you watch the 17+ trailer, yet?  C'mon - if it's no big deal for the kids to watch the actual movie - why can't you watch the trailer?

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 I id I looked it up on youtube and said I saw what it was.

Again. You are focusing on the sex. The sex.

And I seem to remember some pretty graphic sex scenes in Friday the 13th and Nightmare.

I still don't know what the sex bothers you more than the violence.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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LL. Have you ever watched Chainsaw Massacre? Halloween? Children of the Corn?

And not grasping for anything. I am asking questions.

Remember all those books that we all read in school that are now wrong? Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer?

On the approved lists. But then someone got upset about it.

And it wasn't the sex that was the problem. It was the violence.

I am not, nor have I said it was right. Just the opposite actually.

But I am not going to be sharpening the swords here.

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 Yep.  Saw all those movies.  But not in school.  And of course, I had an alcoholic mother who didn't understand the concept of parental supervision - so I don't base what I got away with as the model for my own parenting.  And I do not recall explicit sex scenes in them, either.  This isn't Halloween.  A kid would not be allowed in a theater to see it even WITH an adult and it was shown in schools by a substitute teacher. 

Did you watch the 17+ trailer, yet?  C'mon - if it's no big deal for the kids to watch the actual movie - why can't you watch the trailer?

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 I id I looked it up on youtube and said I saw what it was.

Again. You are focusing on the sex. The sex.

And I seem to remember some pretty graphic sex scenes in Friday the 13th and Nightmare.

I still don't know what the sex bothers you more than the violence.

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 Really?  Violence is all over network TV these days - have you seen The Walking Dead?  Sex is not.  Yes, I think showing explicit sex scenes to kids in school is worse than showing violence.  Both are bad, of course, but one is worse.

And I'm not talking about the youtube version.  I'm talking about the link I provided with the 17+ preview. 

This is an unrated film that no child would be allowed to view even with a parent, and yet it's ok that a teacher showed it in school?  It's basically got porn in it, Lily.

There are 26 stories.

Was the sex in one story?

I will never understand why sex is a problem but someone being cut in two with a chainsaw isn't.

Sex happens. It's an every day part of life in most homes around the world.

Do we display it in the living room? No.

But violence. Now there is something we cant seem to get enough of.

I am not, have not, and will not ever think it was ok to show this movie in class.

Show me where I have said otherwise.