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Bellichick is a long time cheater. He should have been tossed from the League the first time he was caught cheating. Funny how they have "no tolerance" for other things but they will allow a coach to destroy the integrity of the game.

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I'm really disgusted. I think they should replay the AFC Championship. That is so blatantly wrong. It definitely gave Brady an advantage passing and it for sure gives the receivers an advantage catching. Somebody team related had to be on the sidelines given the task of deflating those balls during the game, because those balls are checked beforehand. Thank god for that interception by DeQuell Jackson. Otherwise they would have got away with it.



-- Edited by msrock on Wednesday 21st of January 2015 07:12:29 AM



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As I said yesterday, nothing Belicheck does surprises me. They should not replay the game, they the Colts should go to the super bowl. Period. But they won't. They are a zit on the face of the NFL.Classless.

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No surprise to those of us who aren't blinded by pretty-boy Brady.

The Ravens are also alleging that the kicking balls were under-inflated.

Disgusting...and even MORE disgusting if there are ZERO repercussions.

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Why is it that Bellichik only won games/cheated AFTER he left Cleveland? He coached there for years and sucked. Lol

I think he should be banned from football. Pete Rose was banned from baseball for something that didn't even directly effect the game. Coach B is a known cheater. Punish him appropriately.

Wouldn't the deflated balls help both teams equally?

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Why is it that Bellichik only won games/cheated AFTER he left Cleveland? He coached there for years and sucked. Lol

I think he should be banned from football. Pete Rose was banned from baseball for something that didn't even directly effect the game. Coach B is a known cheater. Punish him appropriately.

Wouldn't the deflated balls help both teams equally?


I haven't read much, but in the rain, a deflated ball would be harder to catch.

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Mellow Momma wrote:

Why is it that Bellichik only won games/cheated AFTER he left Cleveland? He coached there for years and sucked. Lol

I think he should be banned from football. Pete Rose was banned from baseball for something that didn't even directly effect the game. Coach B is a known cheater. Punish him appropriately.

Wouldn't the deflated balls help both teams equally?


 They each bring and use their own balls to the game.  11 of the 12 patriots balls were deflated.



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Why is it that Bellichik only won games/cheated AFTER he left Cleveland? He coached there for years and sucked. Lol

I think he should be banned from football. Pete Rose was banned from baseball for something that didn't even directly effect the game. Coach B is a known cheater. Punish him appropriately.

Wouldn't the deflated balls help both teams equally?


I haven't read much, but in the rain, a deflated ball would be harder to catch.

flan 


 A deflated ball is easier to catch. If Brady hadn't thrown an interception, no one would know. But they guy that caught the ball (his name escapes me) went immediately to his coaches and let them know....



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Why is it that Bellichik only won games/cheated AFTER he left Cleveland? He coached there for years and sucked. Lol

I think he should be banned from football. Pete Rose was banned from baseball for something that didn't even directly effect the game. Coach B is a known cheater. Punish him appropriately.

Wouldn't the deflated balls help both teams equally?


I haven't read much, but in the rain, a deflated ball would be harder to catch.

flan 


 A deflated ball is easier to throw and catch in bad weather.  You get a better grip.  A fully pumped ball can be rock hard in the cold and rain.



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Why is it that Bellichik only won games/cheated AFTER he left Cleveland? He coached there for years and sucked. Lol

I think he should be banned from football. Pete Rose was banned from baseball for something that didn't even directly effect the game. Coach B is a known cheater. Punish him appropriately.

Wouldn't the deflated balls help both teams equally?


I haven't read much, but in the rain, a deflated ball would be harder to catch.

flan 


 A deflated ball is easier to catch. If Brady hadn't thrown an interception, no one would know. But they guy that caught the ball (his name escapes me) went immediately to his coaches and let them know....


 D'Quell Jackson... Ex Brown. 



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Sorry, not enough caffeine!

Thanks for the explanation.

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I should have specified... a deflated ball is easier to throw/catch in any weather. But it definitely would be an advantage in the cold/rain.

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My preface - I am a tried and true Washington Redskins Fan. I have bed Burgundy and Gold since I was a baby. I know the original Hogs lineup and the Hoggettes. My aunt had 3 Redskin Players in her wedding. I have NO loyalty to the Patriots at all.

SO when I say this, it is with an objective eye. Are you fVcking serious with this sh!t?

1) Once ALL OF THE BALLS were inspected by the Referee's, they were put in a bag and given to the "ball boy" (BB), who stayed on the field, within sight of every single camera the entire night. Now, unless the BB had deflated 1/2 of the balls beforehand AND was able to quickly pick and choose amongst the balls, the logistics of deflating the balls without being seen is not possible.

2) At any time one of the Refs handled the balls, they would have noticed that there was a problem.  So unless you are also saying that the Refs were in on it...  Or when any of the opposing team may have touched one of the supposedly under inflated balls.  SO were they in on it too?  

3) Given this was not one of Brady's best performances of his career or even this season, I am not sure what advantage this was suppose to have given him. I mean, didn't at least one of the receivers make some crazy awesome catch, having to actually backtrack to catch the ball?

WOW, those under-inflated balls really helped out with the overall 226 throwing yards.

4) If I hear one more kvetch about the THREE "illegal formations" from the playoffs and how those are examples of the cheating, I am going to scream.

First, it was not illegal or even skirting the rules. The League has already ruled on it.
Second, the only way this screwed with the Opposing team is because the Opposing team were bunch of idiots...THREE TIMES. The Patriots did not hurry up the offense to mess with the Raven's minds. Watch the replay. Amendola didnt sneak on the field quickly. He approached the Ref and told him that he was ineligible to catch. The refs ANNOUNCED IT to all. The Patriots THEN went into a huddle and THEN went to the line.

If the Ravens couldn't figure that they should not cover Amendola and cover the actual eligible receivers on the field, that is on THEM. And they ****ing couldn't figure that out THREE TIMES, with a totally different ineligible receiver.

Sour Grapes for their own screw up.

5) I almost spit out my coffee over the whole TV Screen paragraph. Outside of the fact that there is a huge ass screen showing the exact same thing INSIDE the stadium...if you believe that a Coach is going to wait for the network to run a replay to make the decision if they should throw the challenge flag, then you are stupid and really just want to justify your personal issues by coming down on someone else. Sort of like what bullies do.

6) Then there was the insinuation that the Patriots Owner used his influence to get preferable playing times...these sort of "grasping at any straw without any proof" moments really make the rest of the accusations weak.



I can go on. But the fact remains, this sort of whining just makes you (those that actually believe in this ****waffle) look ridiculous.  



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Ha, I take back my crying. The balls were weighed at halftime, of course they are deflated, they were pummeled by 400 lb players. This whole issue is made up. Tell me, how much did the Colts balls weigh at halftime?

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People that support and encourage cheating are no better than the cheaters themselves...just saying...

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I don't see anywhere where the balls were checked again at half time.  This article is from ESPN and they are very reputable.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4776756/patriots-should-be-held-accountable



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My preface - I am a tried and true Washington Redskins Fan. I have bed Burgundy and Gold since I was a baby. I know the original Hogs lineup and the Hoggettes. My aunt had 3 Redskin Players in her wedding. I have NO loyalty to the Patriots at all.

SO when I say this, it is with an objective eye. Are you fVcking serious with this sh!t?

1) Once ALL OF THE BALLS were inspected by the Referee's, they were put in a bag and given to the "ball boy" (BB), who stayed on the field, within sight of every single camera the entire night. Now, unless the BB had deflated 1/2 of the balls beforehand AND was able to quickly pick and choose amongst the balls, the logistics of deflating the balls without being seen is not possible.

2) At any time one of the Refs handled the balls, they would have noticed that there was a problem.  So unless you are also saying that the Refs were in on it...  Or when any of the opposing team may have touched one of the supposedly under inflated balls.  SO were they in on it too?  

3) Given this was not one of Brady's best performances of his career or even this season, I am not sure what advantage this was suppose to have given him. I mean, didn't at least one of the receivers make some crazy awesome catch, having to actually backtrack to catch the ball?

WOW, those under-inflated balls really helped out with the overall 226 throwing yards.

4) If I hear one more kvetch about the THREE "illegal formations" from the playoffs and how those are examples of the cheating, I am going to scream.

First, it was not illegal or even skirting the rules. The League has already ruled on it.
Second, the only way this screwed with the Opposing team is because the Opposing team were bunch of idiots...THREE TIMES. The Patriots did not hurry up the offense to mess with the Raven's minds. Watch the replay. Amendola didnt sneak on the field quickly. He approached the Ref and told him that he was ineligible to catch. The refs ANNOUNCED IT to all. The Patriots THEN went into a huddle and THEN went to the line.

If the Ravens couldn't figure that they should not cover Amendola and cover the actual eligible receivers on the field, that is on THEM. And they ****ing couldn't figure that out THREE TIMES, with a totally different ineligible receiver.

Sour Grapes for their own screw up.

5) I almost spit out my coffee over the whole TV Screen paragraph. Outside of the fact that there is a huge ass screen showing the exact same thing INSIDE the stadium...if you believe that a Coach is going to wait for the network to run a replay to make the decision if they should throw the challenge flag, then you are stupid and really just want to justify your personal issues by coming down on someone else. Sort of like what bullies do.

6) Then there was the insinuation that the Patriots Owner used his influence to get preferable playing times...these sort of "grasping at any straw without any proof" moments really make the rest of the accusations weak.



I can go on. But the fact remains, this sort of whining just makes you (those that actually believe in this ****waffle) look ridiculous.  


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Wow. This thread makes me want to hurl...

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Ha, I take back my crying. The balls were weighed at halftime, of course they are deflated, they were pummeled by 400 lb players. This whole issue is made up. Tell me, how much did the Colts balls weigh at halftime?


 I would be interested in knowing the answer.  



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From USA Today Sports:

A finding that the Patriots intentionally broke the rules could yield a strong response from the NFL, especially given the league has disciplined the team in the past.

In 2007, the league fined Belichick $500,000 and took away the team's first-round draft pick the following year after it found the Patriots illegally videotaped the New York Jets' signals.

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

Ha, I take back my crying. The balls were weighed at halftime, of course they are deflated, they were pummeled by 400 lb players. This whole issue is made up. Tell me, how much did the Colts balls weigh at halftime?


 Why has this never come up in ANY previous game then?

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Again any inflated item naturally deflates on its own let alone something that has been pummeled by 400lb players. Don't ride the hate train. You are letting the media control you.

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Ha, I take back my crying. The balls were weighed at halftime, of course they are deflated, they were pummeled by 400 lb players. This whole issue is made up. Tell me, how much did the Colts balls weigh at halftime?


 Why has this never come up in ANY previous game then?

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 How do you know it hasn't?



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I know nothing about football and don't really care.....but, having read some of this just because y'all are so up in arms, I have a few questions -

First, apparently the balls are weighed 2 hours and 15 minutes before the games. How hard would it be to deflate footballs or switch them out in that span of time?

Second, how much air does a ball normally lose during a game? These balls lost 2 pounds each - is that high or normal?

How much play time does a ball get? There are 12 balls - 11 were deflated.








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Oh and get back to me when the "sources" for ESPN are not anonymous.

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I know nothing about football and don't really care.....but, having read some of this just because y'all are so up in arms, I have a few questions -

First, apparently the balls are weighed 2 hours and 15 minutes before the games. How hard would it be to deflate footballs or switch them out in that span of time?

Second, how much air does a ball normally lose during a game? These balls lost 2 pounds each - is that high or normal?

How much play time does a ball get? There are 12 balls - 11 were deflated.







 LOL, its 2 PSI, not 2 lbs.  See? The media wants you to think its 2lbs



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I know nothing about football and don't really care.....but, having read some of this just because y'all are so up in arms, I have a few questions -

First, apparently the balls are weighed 2 hours and 15 minutes before the games. How hard would it be to deflate footballs or switch them out in that span of time?

Second, how much air does a ball normally lose during a game? These balls lost 2 pounds each - is that high or normal?

How much play time does a ball get? There are 12 balls - 11 were deflated.







 LOL, its 2 PSI, not 2 lbs.  See? The media wants you to think its 2lbs


 OK - substitute PSI for lbs.  What does that mean?



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Oh and get back to me when the "sources" for ESPN are not anonymous.


 Um... ok. confuse



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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
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I know nothing about football and don't really care.....but, having read some of this just because y'all are so up in arms, I have a few questions -

First, apparently the balls are weighed 2 hours and 15 minutes before the games. How hard would it be to deflate footballs or switch them out in that span of time?

Second, how much air does a ball normally lose during a game? These balls lost 2 pounds each - is that high or normal?

How much play time does a ball get? There are 12 balls - 11 were deflated.







 LOL, its 2 PSI, not 2 lbs.  See? The media wants you to think its 2lbs


2 PSI from a starting inflation of ??? PSI?

2 from 10 is a lot different than 2 from 40

 



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According to a National Football League letter about the investigation into the controversy that was shared with the Globe, the Patriots were informed that the league’s initial findings indicated that the game balls did not meet specifications. The league inspected each of the Patriots’ 12 game balls twice at halftime, using different pressure gauges, and found footballs that were not properly inflated.

According to ESPN, 11 of the 12 game balls were found to be underinflated by about 2 pounds each. The NFL specifications say they must be inflated to 12½ to 13½ pounds.

eta: So it looks like the balls were checked at half time.



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According to a National Football League letter about the investigation into the controversy that was shared with the Globe, the Patriots were informed that the league’s initial findings indicated that the game balls did not meet specifications. The league inspected each of the Patriots’ 12 game balls twice at halftime, using different pressure gauges, and found footballs that were not properly inflated.

According to ESPN, 11 of the 12 game balls were found to be underinflated by about 2 pounds each. The NFL specifications say they must be inflated to 12½ to 13½ pounds.


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Locate the specification information, which is next to the inflation valve, to find out the pounds per square inch to which your football needs to be inflated. Regulation-size footballs are typically inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 psi and junior footballs (which are slightly smaller) are inflated to around 7 psi.



Read more : http://www.ehow.com/how_12035058_inflate-football.html?ref=Track2&utm_source=ask

Okay, so 2 psi off of 13 psi is 15%.

A good question now is, how much pressure does a ball lose all by itself during a game?

Sure, a ball left in someone's garage for a week or more might get soft. But most games take a lot less time than a week.

I find it hard to believe they would lose 15% of their inflation pressure spontaneously in that time. Car tires don't, and they're holding up a corner of a car constantly.



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According to a National Football League letter about the investigation into the controversy that was shared with the Globe, the Patriots were informed that the league’s initial findings indicated that the game balls did not meet specifications. The league inspected each of the Patriots’ 12 game balls twice at halftime, using different pressure gauges, and found footballs that were not properly inflated.

According to ESPN, 11 of the 12 game balls were found to be underinflated by about 2 pounds each. The NFL specifications say they must be inflated to 12½ to 13½ pounds.


I guess the NFL is lying too...just like ESPN...no 


 Possibly.  lol.  They did say their investigation will be complete in the next 2 or 3 days.



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Ha, I take back my crying. The balls were weighed at halftime, of course they are deflated, they were pummeled by 400 lb players. This whole issue is made up. Tell me, how much did the Colts balls weigh at halftime?


 Why has this never come up in ANY previous game then?

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 How do you know it hasn't?


 It's a pretty serious allegation.

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msrock wrote:
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Oh and get back to me when the "sources" for ESPN are not anonymous.


 Um... ok. confuse


 Belichick would likely put out a hit, if there were names...

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From USA Today:

Former NFL referee Gerry Austin was on Mike and Mike this morning and said officials check the PSI of all footballs two hours before the game. At halftime, New England’s footballs (each team has different balls during the game) were found to be two-to-three pounds lighter. Someone deflated the balls. There’s no debate here.

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From the same USA Today article:

But I’ll happily blame the Patriots for being skeezy once again. I’ll blame Belichick because, as Goodell said about Payton during Bountygate, the head coach is supposed to know what’s going on with his team. I’ll blame Tom Brady who clearly knew the balls were deflated but is getting off scot-free in this controversy because he’s the Golden Boy and is handsome and is married to a supermodel. (It’s amazing how no one criticizes Brady. He’s just as guilty as the others.) But there’s blame for others too.

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After much investigation, I have determined THE BUTLER DID IT.

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After much investigation, I have determined THE BUTLER DID IT.


 Of Course ! It should have been obvious !!



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Locate the specification information, which is next to the inflation valve, to find out the pounds per square inch to which your football needs to be inflated. Regulation-size footballs are typically inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 psi and junior footballs (which are slightly smaller) are inflated to around 7 psi.



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Okay, so 2 psi off of 13 psi is 15%.

A good question now is, how much pressure does a ball lose all by itself during a game?

Sure, a ball left in someone's garage for a week or more might get soft. But most games take a lot less time than a week.

I find it hard to believe they would lose 15% of their inflation pressure spontaneously in that time. Car tires don't, and they're holding up a corner of a car constantly.


 remember these balls were being squished by 400lbs players plus they are thrown down hard on the ground when there has been a good play/catch by the receiver.  Simple test, take a balloon and squeeze it slightly for a few seconds, it loses air, as does anything inflated with air.



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msrock wrote:

According to a National Football League letter about the investigation into the controversy that was shared with the Globe, the Patriots were informed that the league’s initial findings indicated that the game balls did not meet specifications. The league inspected each of the Patriots’ 12 game balls twice at halftime, using different pressure gauges, and found footballs that were not properly inflated.

According to ESPN, 11 of the 12 game balls were found to be underinflated by about 2 pounds each. The NFL specifications say they must be inflated to 12½ to 13½ pounds.

eta: So it looks like the balls were checked at half time.



-- Edited by msrock on Wednesday 21st of January 2015 10:30:56 AM


 Yep, after some hard play, and re inflated.



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From USA Today:

Former NFL referee Gerry Austin was on Mike and Mike this morning and said officials check the PSI of all footballs two hours before the game. At halftime, New England’s footballs (each team has different balls during the game) were found to be two-to-three pounds lighter. Someone deflated the balls. There’s no debate here.

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 That is the debate.  "Someone" is the players falling on the ball and throwing them down hard on the field after a play.  I am not defending the Pats, I am only a fair weather fan.  Don't really care about sports.  But the only fact is the balls had lost air.  There are many reasonable and probable explanations other than cheating.  Certainly the outcome of the game was not affected and given that there is only a small fine if found to be true, the NFL isn't concerned.



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After much investigation, I have determined THE BUTLER DID IT.


 Of Course ! It should have been obvious !!


 HA!  Actually, if someone did intentionally deflate the balls, it would have been the butler, aka, equipment manager.



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I am as big a Patriot hater as anyone, but this really didn't change the game all that much. It seems to be pretty common the play with the air pressure to find something the QB is happy with. However I have to LOL at the fans who still want to talk about how great their team is and Brady when there is an obvious issue of following the rules. If they are so good it wouldn't be necessary. Now like the Cowboys the NFL is going to be overzealous in making sure the SB is a "fair" game. If I have to watch those punks win again I will be sick. It would be bad enough to watch NE win.

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
ed11563 wrote:

Locate the specification information, which is next to the inflation valve, to find out the pounds per square inch to which your football needs to be inflated. Regulation-size footballs are typically inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 psi and junior footballs (which are slightly smaller) are inflated to around 7 psi.



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Okay, so 2 psi off of 13 psi is 15%.

A good question now is, how much pressure does a ball lose all by itself during a game?

Sure, a ball left in someone's garage for a week or more might get soft. But most games take a lot less time than a week.

I find it hard to believe they would lose 15% of their inflation pressure spontaneously in that time. Car tires don't, and they're holding up a corner of a car constantly.


 remember these balls were being squished by 400lbs players plus they are thrown down hard on the ground when there has been a good play/catch by the receiver.  Simple test, take a balloon and squeeze it slightly for a few seconds, it loses air, as does anything inflated with air.


All but one ball? Bullschit.  The Colts didn't have any deflate.   So the Pats balls were the only ones that 400 pound guys fell on...riiiggghhhttt......no

 



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The NFL is a joke. Big double standards. Make examples out of some and totally ignore others based on who they are. I quit watching football awhile ago. I prefer women's college basketball, thanks.  biggrin



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Ohfour wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
ed11563 wrote:

Locate the specification information, which is next to the inflation valve, to find out the pounds per square inch to which your football needs to be inflated. Regulation-size footballs are typically inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 psi and junior footballs (which are slightly smaller) are inflated to around 7 psi.



Read more : http://www.ehow.com/how_12035058_inflate-football.html?ref=Track2&utm_source=ask

Okay, so 2 psi off of 13 psi is 15%.

A good question now is, how much pressure does a ball lose all by itself during a game?

Sure, a ball left in someone's garage for a week or more might get soft. But most games take a lot less time than a week.

I find it hard to believe they would lose 15% of their inflation pressure spontaneously in that time. Car tires don't, and they're holding up a corner of a car constantly.


 remember these balls were being squished by 400lbs players plus they are thrown down hard on the ground when there has been a good play/catch by the receiver.  Simple test, take a balloon and squeeze it slightly for a few seconds, it loses air, as does anything inflated with air.


All but one ball? Bullschit.  The Colts didn't have any deflate.   So the Pats balls were the only ones that 400 pound guys fell on...riiiggghhhttt......no

 


 The colts barely got to play their balls let alone spike them etc!  Actually, didn't say the Colts' balls weren't deflated since they were measured prior to the game, just said they were in range.  big diff if you are trying to prove a crime, aka cheating scandal.



-- Edited by I know what to do_sometimes on Wednesday 21st of January 2015 05:26:54 PM

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He's a cheater. Time to scrub the records and remove the Pat wins from the books under him.

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
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According to a National Football League letter about the investigation into the controversy that was shared with the Globe, the Patriots were informed that the league’s initial findings indicated that the game balls did not meet specifications. The league inspected each of the Patriots’ 12 game balls twice at halftime, using different pressure gauges, and found footballs that were not properly inflated.

According to ESPN, 11 of the 12 game balls were found to be underinflated by about 2 pounds each. The NFL specifications say they must be inflated to 12½ to 13½ pounds.

eta: So it looks like the balls were checked at half time.



-- Edited by msrock on Wednesday 21st of January 2015 10:30:56 AM


 Yep, after some hard play, and re inflated.


 Where you getting that the balls where re-inflated?

Also why do you think a football loses air after play yet car tires seem to hold air pretty well.



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