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I Had To End My Pregnancy To Save My Life

 

 

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We had been married just less than a year in that spring of 1989. My husband had a medical conference in Washington. He left our home in California early in the week, and I planned to meet him there later for a long weekend. When the airport van arrived at our house, I loaded my suitcase into the back, strapped myself in, and fell asleep before we reached the bottom of our street. The driver shook me awake at the airport; I had been drooling on my jacket collar. I had never experienced such overwhelming somnolence before. I stumbled through the corridors of the airport, feeling drugged, my head buzzing with a strange, sparkling heaviness. All I wanted to do was curl into a corner and sleep, the passengers rushing past me with their wheeled luggage, their tickets flapping in their hands. It was all I could do to stagger onto the plane and doze, waking only to devour the plastic tray of rubbery food, and sleep again.  

"I think I'm sick," I told John as I got off the plane. "I feel woozy."But it had been the first month of sex without birth control, the little cervical cap far, far away in the bathroom cabinet, the spermicide buried in the underwear drawer. We had thought it would take months, maybe even a year. Not so soon as this.  

I sat on the edge of the bed and flipped through the yellow pages, searching for a clinic that would be open on a Saturday. While John was in a darkened auditorium, studying the dark red planet of a diseased liver shining huge and luminous on the wall, I climbed into a taxi, trembling, and gave the driver the address of the Georgetown Women's Center.  

They took a tube full of blood from my arm and then told me to call back in three hours. I wandered the streets of a city I didn't know, the jeweled boutiques, bookstores, a café with colorful bowls of salad crowded together under a glass counter. I sat there, eating stuffed grape leaves, staring at my watch, the tiny needle of the second hand jerking through space.  

I thought about my blood, the tablespoons of blood that lay in the glass tube in the clinic. Blood that was waiting to speak, its language translated by chemicals and microscopes. Blood of the birth mother I’d tracked down and met when I was 20, who had been glad to know me, but wanted me to stay a lifelong secret. Blood of my invisible birth father, whose name she wouldn't reveal to me. Blood of so many unknown relatives. This blood was going to inform me of the presence of another, of one whose face I would finally see, a child to name and hold.

The woman on the phone said yes. "Congratulations," she said. News that she delivered dozens of times a day, altering lives with one syllable. Yes. No. I stared at the plastic receiver, the telephone.

The phone was bolted to a wall outside of a B. Dalton bookstore. I bought a book on pregnancy and ran my finger along the due-date chart, counting months. Early January. New year, new life. I remember almost nothing about that pregnancy except the way that it ended. I remember a walk along the grassy trails of Sea Ranch, the wild wind, my bursting energy. I was wearing John’s blue jeans to accommodate my five-months-pregnant belly.  

In August, we took a trip to the Outer Banks in North Carolina with his brother’s family. I swelled in the humidity like a sponge, my breasts enormous, my face squishy with fluid. “Look at me,” I said, frowning in the mirror. “You look wonderful,” he said. It wasn’t what I was talking about. I hadn't been complaining about feeling fat or unattractive, although I was fat, in a strange, swollen way.  

John, a doctor, went from that family vacation to El Salvador, heading a medical delegation to the war zone of Guazapa, under the volcano. My father-in-law disapproved, told me outright that he felt John was abandoning me. But I was proud of the work we were involved in. While he was in Central America, I drove to Davis to help load a container of wheelchairs, crutches, and medicine bound for Nicaragua. It was then that I noticed I couldn’t lace my sneakers. My feet were the size of small footballs.  

I picked him up at the airport, saying, “Don’t you think I look fat?”

“You’re pregnant, sweetheart,” he said. “That’s how you’re supposed to look.”

Sunday morning. September 17, 1989. I had gained 13 pounds in a week. I pulled out the pregnancy book. In red print, it said, Call the doctor if you gain more than three pounds in one week. If your face or hands or feet are swollen. If. If. If. I checked them all off. While John was in the shower, I called my obstetrician and friend, Lisa. I whispered under the sound of running water, “I think something is wrong.”

Lisa’s voice was so smooth, so calm. “Swelling is very common,” she said, “but it would be a good idea to get a blood-pressure check. Can John do it?”

We stopped by his office, two blocks from the restaurant we had decided on for dinner. We were going to see a movie, then browse a bookstore; our usual date. I hopped onto the exam table, held out my arm. I couldn’t wait to get to La Méditerranée. My mouth had been dreaming of spanakopita all day.  

I heard the Velcro tearing open on the cuff, felt its smooth blue band wrapping around me. I swung my feet and smiled up at John, the stethoscope around his neck, loved this small gesture of taking care of me. I felt the cuff tightening, the pounding of my heart echoing up and down my fingers, through my elbow.         

The expression on his face I will never forget, the change in color from pink to ash, as if he had died standing at my side. “Lie down,” he said quietly. “Lie down on your left side. Now. ”

The numbers were all wrong, 200-plus, over and over again, his eyes darkening as he watched the mercury climb on the wall. He shook his head. “What’s Lisa’s phone number?” His voice was grim as he spoke to her on the phone — numbers, questions, a terrible urgency. He told me to go into the tiny bathroom and pee into a cup. “We’ve got to dipstick your urine, see if there’s any protein.”

I sat on the toilet and listened to him crash through the cupboards, knocking over samples of ulcer pills, brochures about stomach cancer, looking for a container of thin paper tabs. I gave him the paper cup, the gold liquid cloudy and dense. The dipstick changed color quickly, from white to powdery blue to sky to deep indigo. My protein level was off the chart. “No,” he whispered. “No, no, goddammit, no.”

I asked what, over and over, not believing that things could be as bad as what his face was telling me. "Your kidneys aren't working," he said. He pulled me out the door, across the street to the hospital. He pounded the buttons of the elevator, pulled me flying to the nurses’ station, spat numbers at them. I thought, don't be a bully, nurses hate doctors who are bullies; but they scattered like quail, one of them on the phone, another pushing me, stumbling, into a room. There were three of them, pulling at my clothes, my shoes; the blood-pressure cuff again; the shades were drawn; they moved so swiftly, with such seriousness.  

I had a new doctor now. Lisa, obstetrician of the normal, was instantly off my case, and I was assigned a special neonatologist named Weiss. He was perfectly bald, with thick glasses and wooden clogs, a soft voice.

A squirt of blue gel on my belly for the fetal monitor, the galloping sound of hoof beats, the baby riding a wild pony inside me. What a relief to hear that sound, although I didn’t need the monitor; I could feel the baby punching at my liver.  

There was a name for what I had. Preeclampsia. Ahh. Well, preeclampsia was certainly better than eclampsia, and as long as it was pre-, then they could stop it, couldn't they? And what was eclampsia? An explosion of blood pressure, a flood of protein poisoning the blood, kidney failure, the vessels in spasm, a stroke, seizures, blindness, death. But I didn’t have any of those things. I had pre-eclampsia. It felt safe.  

 

 

They slipped a needle into my wrist, hung a bag of magnesium sulfate. This is to prevent seizures, they said. You may feel a little hot. As the first drops of the drug slipped into my bloodstream, I felt a flash of electricity inside my mouth. My tongue was baking. My scalp prickled, burning, and I threw up onto the sheets. I felt as if I was being microwaved.

I was wheeled down to radiology. Pictures of the baby onscreen, waving, treading water. A real child, not a pony or a fish. The X-ray tech, a woman with curly brown hair and a red Coca-Cola T-shirt, asked, “Do you want to know the sex?” I sat up. “There you go.” She pointed. A flash between the legs, like a finger. A boy.  I nearly leapt off the gurney. “John! Did you see? A boy! It’s Samuel!” Sahm-well, the Spanish pronunciation, named after our surrogate father in Nicaragua, the most dignified man we knew.            

He didn’t want to look, couldn’t celebrate having a son. He knew so much more than I did.  

Weiss came to stand next to my bed. Recited numbers slowly.  

"Baby needs at least two more weeks for viability. He’s already too small, way too small. But you...” He looked at me sadly, shook his head. “You probably can’t survive two weeks without having a stroke, seizures, worse.” He meant I could die.  

“What are the chances...that we could both make it?” Doctors are always talking percentages.  

“Less than 10%, maybe less than five percent.” The space between his fingers shrunk into nothing. 

This is how they said it. I was toxemic, poisoned by pregnancy. My only cure was to not be pregnant anymore. The baby needed two more weeks, just fourteen days. I looked at John hopefully. “I can wait. It will be all right.”

“Honey. Your blood pressure is through the roof. Your kidneys are shutting down. You are on the verge of having a stroke.”

I actually smiled at him. I actually said that having a stroke at 29 would not be a big deal. I was a physical therapist; I knew about rehab. I could rehabilitate myself. I could walk with a cane. Lots of people do it. I had a bizarre image of leaning on the baby’s carriage, supporting myself the way elderly people use a walker.  

We struggled through the night. “I’m not going to lose this baby,” I said. “I’m not going to lose you," he said. "And think of the baby. Chances are almost certain that a baby born this small will have problems. Severe problems."

I knew about children with problems; I had worked in a children's cerebral palsy clinic for years. Many of them had been born at the same gestational age as Samuel was now. I knew children who could not walk or speak or look into their mother's eyes.  

After the longest night of my life, I relented.

 I lay with my hands on my belly all night, feeling Samuelito’s limbs turning this way and that. There was nothing inside me that could even think of saying goodbye.

[....]

September 18, 1989. Another day of magnesium sulfate, the cuff that inflated every five minutes, the fetal monitor booming through the room. No change in status for either of us. 

I signed papers of consent, my hand moving numbly across the paper, my mind screaming, I do not consent, I do not, I do not.

In the evening, Weiss’s associate entered with a tray, a syringe, and a nurse with mournful eyes. “It’s just going to be a bee sting," he said.  

And it was, a small tingle, quick pricking bubbles, under my navel; and then a thing like a tiny drinking straw that went in and out with a barely audible pop. It was so fast. I thought, I love you, I love you, you must be hearing this, please hear me. And then a Band-Aid was unwrapped, with its plastic smell of childhood, and spread onto my belly.  

“All done,” he said. All done.  

My child was inside swallowing the fizzy drink, and it bubbled against his tiny tongue like a bud, the deadly soda pop.  

This is what it was. A drug, injected into my womb, a drug to stop his heart. To lay him down to sleep, so he wouldn’t feel what would happen the next day, the terrible terrible thing that would happen. Evacuation is what it is called in medical journals.

Evacuees are what the Japanese-Americans were called when they were ripped from their homes, tagged like animals, flung into the desert. Evacuated, exiled, thrown away.

I lay on my side pinching the pillowcase. I wondered if he would be startled by the drug’s taste, if it was bitter, or strange, or just different from the salt water he was used to. I prayed that it wouldn’t be noxious, not like the magnesium sulfate, that it wouldn’t hurt. That it would be fast.  

John sat next to the bed and held one hand as I pressed the other against my belly. I looked over his shoulder into the dark slice of night between the heavy curtains. Samuel, Samuelito, jumped against my hand once. He leaped through the space into the darkness and then was gone.           

All gone.  

This was my first experience of being a mother. I went home at the end of the week, gushing fluid, peeing and sweating quarts of the liquids my body hadn't been able to release. I wept oceans. My parents called me several times a day. "Is there anything you need? What can we do for you?" I could imagine them wringing their hands, pacing, feeling helpless.

"Nothing," I said dully. I need my baby.

[.....]

I have two other children now, daughters. After losing Samuel, I was frightened and alarmed at my body's betrayal. My husband and I began pursuing adoption instead; it seemed safer than running the gauntlet of another pregnancy. But our two daughters insisted on showing up in our family, despite our feeble efforts at contraception; I am infinitely grateful that they did.  

And yet I do not forget that son, small cowboy, the way he galloped through me... There is still a part of me that believes that I failed the test of motherhood, the law that says your child comes before you, even if it means death. I put myself first when it came to Samuel... And sometimes I cannot bear what that feels like. I look at my girls, the life that fills this family, and I think, none of this would be here if I had chosen differently.  

...If I had refused to give up on Samuel's chances. Maybe I wouldn't be here today. Maybe I would have a severely disabled son. If my birth mother had taken a coat hanger to me instead of hiding me under a girdle and then delivering me in a far-away state. If she had stolen away with me and pretended to be a widow in a new town. If that married man, my birth father, had left his wife and children. If, if, if.  

There are lifetimes of ifs to consider. But in the end, my birth mother and I made the choices we did. One time I chose one way, and another time it felt less like a choice than a gun at my head.  

I am inching towards 50 now. I no longer condemn her or myself for what we decided for ourselves, years ago. Did we choose wrongly? Were we selfish? There is no way to truly answer those questions. My life has been steeped in the tea of reproductive choice since the moment of my own conception. I wish us peace for all that we have chosen.  http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/i-had-to-end-my-pregnancy-to-save-my-life/ar-AA8uqmx

 

 

 

 



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Lots of misinformation here. The TREATMENT for eclampsia is called "delivery". Delivering the baby via a C Section usually. And, yes, the baby may be premature, but that is the only way to save both lives.  And, what she did, she had to deliver anyway.  IF the child is going to die, why not deliver him and hold him in your arms while he takes his last breath and be a mother for those precious moments rather that killing the child in your womb?



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She made an incredibly difficult decision years & years ago...one that she will obviously never forget.

I'm not judging her.

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The baby was almost full term. Injecting poison to burn the child alive in the womb and then delivering him anyway? Why not just deliver him ALIVE and allow him to have his first breath and hold him?

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flan327 wrote:

She made an incredibly difficult decision years & years ago...one that she will obviously never forget.

I'm not judging her.

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That's funny.  You have no trouble judging a zillion other things?  evileye 



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:

She made an incredibly difficult decision years & years ago...one that she will obviously never forget.

I'm not judging her.

flan


That's funny.  You have no trouble judging a zillion other things?  evileye 


Yup...when I have enough experience to be able to judge!

In this situation, no.

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Oh pffft! You judge everything on the planet. Give me a break. Now all of the sudden "oh I can't judge".   evileye



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Oh pffft! You judge everything on the planet. Give me a break. Now all of the sudden "oh I can't judge".   evileye


I'm just thankful I was never in her shoes.

One miscarriage was enough for me to handle.

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What a b1tch. She could have delivered this baby instead of burning him to death. She does not deserve the title of mother. She can say all she wants that she was thinking about her son, but her actions prove different. What mother could do that to their child?

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

The baby was almost full term. Injecting poison to burn the child alive in the womb and then delivering him anyway? Why not just deliver him ALIVE and allow him to have his first breath and hold him?


Was it? I guess I missed that.  Half asleep.



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The baby was almost full term. Injecting poison to burn the child alive in the womb and then delivering him anyway? Why not just deliver him ALIVE and allow him to have his first breath and hold him?


 The baby wasn't almost full term, it was 20 weeks.  Back in 1989, the baby wouldn't have survived.



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The baby was almost full term. Injecting poison to burn the child alive in the womb and then delivering him anyway? Why not just deliver him ALIVE and allow him to have his first breath and hold him?


 The baby wasn't almost full term, it was 20 weeks.  Back in 1989, the baby wouldn't have survived.


So she burns him alive instead of holding him while he dies?  Niiiiiceeee...



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So she waits until she delivers via surgery, where it's a given she'll stroke out, probably die or be severely disabled. You guys are sweet. Life begins at conception, but it ends (for women, in your eyes) at birth.

I really would wonder if you were in the same situation what you would have chosen. Always great to be that armchair quarterback...

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So she waits until she delivers via surgery, where it's a given she'll stroke out, probably die or be severely disabled. You guys are sweet. Life begins at conception, but it ends (for women, in your eyes) at birth.

I really would wonder if you were in the same situation what you would have chosen. Always great to be that armchair quarterback...


She could have had a C-section that very day.  It happens all the time. 

There is NO WAY I would saline abort my child.  I wish someone could show her how it feels... 



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Ohfour wrote:
JPT wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

The baby was almost full term. Injecting poison to burn the child alive in the womb and then delivering him anyway? Why not just deliver him ALIVE and allow him to have his first breath and hold him?


 The baby wasn't almost full term, it was 20 weeks.  Back in 1989, the baby wouldn't have survived.


So she burns him alive instead of holding him while he dies?  Niiiiiceeee...


 What would have been the point of forcing the trauma of birth on both of them? Being born is hardly a picnic, and since she was on the border of having a stroke, it probably was deemed too dangerous. The end result would have been the same for the baby anyways. And I doubt a baby in such distress would have even survived a force labor, and for what if he did? To struggle to breath with underdevoloped lungs and toxic blood?  



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Ohfour wrote:
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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

The baby was almost full term. Injecting poison to burn the child alive in the womb and then delivering him anyway? Why not just deliver him ALIVE and allow him to have his first breath and hold him?


 The baby wasn't almost full term, it was 20 weeks.  Back in 1989, the baby wouldn't have survived.


So she burns him alive instead of holding him while he dies?  Niiiiiceeee...


I didn't see the word "burn" in the narrative. 

As I understand it, the injection stops the fetus's heart.

 

She was on the threshold of sudden death herself. I don't know whether we currently have any decent treatment for pre-eclampsia. But when a woman is in kidney failure, and has extremely high blood pressure, the choice is NOT do we let her carry the baby longer, and most likely die herself and kill the baby at the same time, or do we try to save ONE of them. The fetus had zero chance of survival if delivered. It had essentially zero chance of surviving if/when the mother died, which could have happened in a few days, or immediately.

 

 



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This was 1989. Her doctor was making this call with her husband backing him up. Abortion to save the life of the mother should always be an available exception. And as for a C-section, the doctor may have felt it too risky in her condition at that time.

I do not get condemning her.



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We have about 30 regular posters. I think we can each list what side each of us falls on. So, shrug. I believe women are more important than unborn people. Full stop. Nothing I read has changed my mind in 29 years. You guys go ahead and wail and pearl clutch and talk amongst yourselves how you're so much better. I'll watch and shake my head and remind myself that some of you are such good mothers that your children won't talk to you or let you participate in their childrens lives. But hey, go ahead and make yourself feel better by making this womans decisions worse than yours.

But, we haven't had pearl clutching thread in a while so there's that.

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We have about 30 regular posters. I think we can each list what side each of us falls on. So, shrug. I believe women are more important than unborn people. Full stop. Nothing I read has changed my mind in 29 years. You guys go ahead and wail and pearl clutch and talk amongst yourselves how you're so much better. I'll watch and shake my head and remind myself that some of you are such good mothers that your children won't talk to you or let you participate in their childrens lives. But hey, go ahead and make yourself feel better by making this womans decisions worse than yours.

But, we haven't had pearl clutching thread in a while so there's that.


 Pearl clutching. I like it. 

I also find it amusing in a sad sort of way that people think they know more about it than this woman, her husband (who was a doctor), and the hospital full of medical experts.



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We have about 30 regular posters. I think we can each list what side each of us falls on. So, shrug. I believe women are more important than unborn people. Full stop. Nothing I read has changed my mind in 29 years. You guys go ahead and wail and pearl clutch and talk amongst yourselves how you're so much better. I'll watch and shake my head and remind myself that some of you are such good mothers that your children won't talk to you or let you participate in their childrens lives. But hey, go ahead and make yourself feel better by making this womans decisions worse than yours.

But, we haven't had pearl clutching thread in a while so there's that.


I hope your not talking about me, because if you are you have your facts wrong (which is not uncommon, but I do want to set the record straight)... 



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I can honestly say I would have died to give my kids a chance at life.

They could have done a C-section that day. Given the baby the drugs it needed to develop it's lungs.

She could have gone on complete bed rest and used drugs to control her BP.

She could have done anything besides what she did.

No. Not going to feel sorry for her. I do feel sorry for the baby. It didn't deserve to die that way. Not in pain like that.

It would have been more humane to inject the baby with something to make its heart stop immediately than to burn it alive.

There was nothing humane about this death.

Shame on her.

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My daughter had preclampsia so bad her liver swelled and her blood pressure were through the roof. She had to have a emergency c section and her baby who was due the 31st of the next month was born on the 22 the month before. She was 4 lbs 7ozs. She is now a healthy 2 year old.

There were some in nicu born earlier then her.

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 That is how I am starting to feel. 



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This was 1989 & obviously deemed medically neccesary.

My friend's daughter just gave birth & she wasn't due until April. The baby was only a little over 2lb. He needs to stay in nicu until his April due date. Medicine has come a long way in 25 years.

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It says it made his heart stop so he wouldn't feel pain.

A drug, injected into my womb, a drug to stop his heart. To lay him down to sleep, so he wouldn’t feel what would happen the next day,

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So she waits until she delivers via surgery, where it's a given she'll stroke out, probably die or be severely disabled. You guys are sweet. Life begins at conception, but it ends (for women, in your eyes) at birth.

I really would wonder if you were in the same situation what you would have chosen. Always great to be that armchair quarterback...


She waited over 24 hours.  It obviously wasn't that big of an emergency... 



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Are we reading the same article?


 Obviously NOT...no

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This was 1989 & obviously deemed medically neccesary.

My friend's daughter just gave birth & she wasn't due until April. The baby was only a little over 2lb. He needs to stay in nicu until his April due date. Medicine has come a long way in 25 years.


 What year was it, AGAIN??

1989

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We have about 30 regular posters. I think we can each list what side each of us falls on. So, shrug. I believe women are more important than unborn people. Full stop. Nothing I read has changed my mind in 29 years. You guys go ahead and wail and pearl clutch and talk amongst yourselves how you're so much better. I'll watch and shake my head and remind myself that some of you are such good mothers that your children won't talk to you or let you participate in their childrens lives. But hey, go ahead and make yourself feel better by making this womans decisions worse than yours.

But, we haven't had pearl clutching thread in a while so there's that.


 Well said! 

 

It was 1989. You are not her doctor. Saying what you THINK she should have done, and how she should have acted is ridiculous. The options were not available then. She was presented with the options, she even states what they were. That some of you want to offer alternatives is nice, but you do not have the knowledge nor the experience to know if those were in fact viable options AT THE TIME.  

I cannot find fault in this woman and I am glad I never had to know what I would do in this situation. 



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Ohfour wrote:
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So she waits until she delivers via surgery, where it's a given she'll stroke out, probably die or be severely disabled. You guys are sweet. Life begins at conception, but it ends (for women, in your eyes) at birth.

I really would wonder if you were in the same situation what you would have chosen. Always great to be that armchair quarterback...


She waited over 24 hours.  It obviously wasn't that big of an emergency... 


 HER BLOOD WAS TOXIC. Do you understand what that means? It means seizures, stroke, heart attacks, shock, were all a real possibility. They waited overnight--probably closer to twelve hours--because she refused to consent.  Your cold dismissal of what this woman and her husband--you know, the doctor, and the FATHER of the planned, wanted, loved child--went through is shocking. 

Prolife, as long as the life hasn't been born yet. After it's out, who give a sh!t huh?  Obviously not you.



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If she didn't want to be judged, she shouldn't have written the article. Doing so invites judgment. She's trying to find validation. She won't get it from a lot of people...

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Ohfour wrote:
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So she waits until she delivers via surgery, where it's a given she'll stroke out, probably die or be severely disabled. You guys are sweet. Life begins at conception, but it ends (for women, in your eyes) at birth.

I really would wonder if you were in the same situation what you would have chosen. Always great to be that armchair quarterback...


She waited over 24 hours.  It obviously wasn't that big of an emergency... 


 She waited because she didn't want to do it and hoped she would get better. 

 

 



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Ohfour wrote:

If she didn't want to be judged, she shouldn't have written the article. Doing so invites judgment. She's trying to find validation. She won't get it from a lot of people...


 THAT is sad.

Who knows WHY she wrote it? What was in her heart? Maybe she wrote it as a tribute to her son.

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flan327 wrote:
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This was 1989 & obviously deemed medically neccesary.

My friend's daughter just gave birth & she wasn't due until April. The baby was only a little over 2lb. He needs to stay in nicu until his April due date. Medicine has come a long way in 25 years.


 What year was it, AGAIN??

1989

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 Which was 25 years ago.  A lot of medical progress has been made in that time.  People forget how long ago 1989 really was, medically speaking.



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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
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So she waits until she delivers via surgery, where it's a given she'll stroke out, probably die or be severely disabled. You guys are sweet. Life begins at conception, but it ends (for women, in your eyes) at birth.

I really would wonder if you were in the same situation what you would have chosen. Always great to be that armchair quarterback...


She waited over 24 hours.  It obviously wasn't that big of an emergency... 


 HER BLOOD WAS TOXIC. Do you understand what that means? It means seizures, stroke, heart attacks, shock, were all a real possibility. They waited overnight--probably closer to twelve hours--because she refused to consent.  Your cold dismissal of what this woman and her husband--you know, the doctor, and the FATHER of the planned, wanted, loved child--went through is shocking. 

Prolife, as long as the life hasn't been born yet. After it's out, who give a sh!t huh?  Obviously not you.


You obviously know nothing about me. I volunteer several times a week at a crisis pregnancy home.  I care very much about what happens to children after they are born.

So speak of what you know, or keep your yap shut.   



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The type of pro-life attitude here does nothing to further the pro-life movement. It makes you sound unreasonable, as if the mother's life means nothing.

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Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
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This was 1989 & obviously deemed medically neccesary.

My friend's daughter just gave birth & she wasn't due until April. The baby was only a little over 2lb. He needs to stay in nicu until his April due date. Medicine has come a long way in 25 years.


 What year was it, AGAIN??

1989

flan


 Which was 25 years ago.  A lot of medical progress has been made in that time.  People forget how long ago 1989 really was, medically speaking.


 THANK YOU!

(I hate stating the obvious.)

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Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
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So she waits until she delivers via surgery, where it's a given she'll stroke out, probably die or be severely disabled. You guys are sweet. Life begins at conception, but it ends (for women, in your eyes) at birth.

I really would wonder if you were in the same situation what you would have chosen. Always great to be that armchair quarterback...


She waited over 24 hours.  It obviously wasn't that big of an emergency... 


 HER BLOOD WAS TOXIC. Do you understand what that means? It means seizures, stroke, heart attacks, shock, were all a real possibility. They waited overnight--probably closer to twelve hours--because she refused to consent.  Your cold dismissal of what this woman and her husband--you know, the doctor, and the FATHER of the planned, wanted, loved child--went through is shocking. 

Prolife, as long as the life hasn't been born yet. After it's out, who give a sh!t huh?  Obviously not you.


You obviously know nothing about me. I volunteer several times a week at a crisis pregnancy home.  I care very much about what happens to children after they are born.

So speak of what you know, or keep your yap shut.   


 Riiiight.   Your compassion and caring is just overflowing here.



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Lawyerlady wrote:

The type of pro-life attitude here does nothing to further the pro-life movement. It makes you sound unreasonable, as if the mother's life means nothing.


 So, those of you who are condemning her, would it make you happy if they BOTH had died? Because THAT is the only other alternative here.

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The type of pro-life attitude here does nothing to further the pro-life movement. It makes you sound unreasonable, as if the mother's life means nothing.


 I was going to go with 'sickening', myself.

I cannot imagine being in this womans' place. I hope I never am.



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The type of pro-life attitude here does nothing to further the pro-life movement. It makes you sound unreasonable, as if the mother's life means nothing.


 Thank you. 

 

I appreciate your ability to see that and understand how it makes those of us with the opposite view feel. 



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I can honestly say I would have died to give my kids a chance at life.

They could have done a C-section that day. Given the baby the drugs it needed to develop it's lungs. No, the drugs didn't exist then. And today they only help SOME of the babies.

She could have gone on complete bed rest and used drugs to control her BP. wouldn't have helped.

She could have done anything besides what she did. Sure, she could have just died. How would that have helped?

No. Not going to feel sorry for her. I do feel sorry for the baby. It didn't deserve to die that way. Not in pain like that. No pain, its' heart just stopped. "Deserve"??? What does that have to do with anything? He would have died either way.

It would have been more humane to inject the baby with something to make its heart stop immediately than to burn it alive. They DID inject a drug to stop its' heart. Where are you coming up with "burn it alive"???

There was nothing humane about this death. Please re-think this. You've got wrong information.

Shame on her. Why? For staying alive and having two more babies? You're not making sense to me.


Lily, did this happen to someone you knew, someone close to you? You sound like you made up your mind based on something that happened in your life.



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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
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So she waits until she delivers via surgery, where it's a given she'll stroke out, probably die or be severely disabled. You guys are sweet. Life begins at conception, but it ends (for women, in your eyes) at birth.

I really would wonder if you were in the same situation what you would have chosen. Always great to be that armchair quarterback...


She waited over 24 hours.  It obviously wasn't that big of an emergency... 


 HER BLOOD WAS TOXIC. Do you understand what that means? It means seizures, stroke, heart attacks, shock, were all a real possibility. They waited overnight--probably closer to twelve hours--because she refused to consent.  Your cold dismissal of what this woman and her husband--you know, the doctor, and the FATHER of the planned, wanted, loved child--went through is shocking. 

Prolife, as long as the life hasn't been born yet. After it's out, who give a sh!t huh?  Obviously not you.


You obviously know nothing about me. I volunteer several times a week at a crisis pregnancy home.  I care very much about what happens to children after they are born.

So speak of what you know, or keep your yap shut.   


 Riiiight.   Your compassion and caring is just overflowing here.


 This is not something new, I've been doing this for years. I've posted about it quite often. 



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I can honestly say I would have died to give my kids a chance at life.

They could have done a C-section that day. Given the baby the drugs it needed to develop it's lungs. No, the drugs didn't exist then. And today they only help SOME of the babies.

She could have gone on complete bed rest and used drugs to control her BP. wouldn't have helped.

She could have done anything besides what she did. Sure, she could have just died. How would that have helped?

No. Not going to feel sorry for her. I do feel sorry for the baby. It didn't deserve to die that way. Not in pain like that. No pain, its' heart just stopped. "Deserve"??? What does that have to do with anything? He would have died either way.

It would have been more humane to inject the baby with something to make its heart stop immediately than to burn it alive. They DID inject a drug to stop its' heart. Where are you coming up with "burn it alive"???

There was nothing humane about this death. Please re-think this. You've got wrong information.

Shame on her. Why? For staying alive and having two more babies? You're not making sense to me.

 


Lily, did this happen to someone you knew, someone close to you? You sound like you made up your mind based on something that happened in your life.


 Can't wait for the response...

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I think the purpose of the article was to show that later term abortion isn't easy, simple, or without anguish. It was a tragic outcome, and something that she grieves about all these years later.

Sadly, there are still the militant ones like lily and ohfour who would prefer her death (and she was just as undeserving of the complication that caused the termination) Honestly, you make it seem like she even had a choice other than to die.

I sincerely hope that you never either personally face this, or have it happen to one of your children or grandchildren.

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I think the purpose of the article was to show that later term abortion isn't easy, simple, or without anguish. It was a tragic outcome, and something that she grieves about all these years later.

Sadly, there are still the militant ones like lily and ohfour who would prefer her death (and she was just as undeserving of the complication that caused the termination) Honestly, you make it seem like she even had a choice other than to die.

I sincerely hope that you never either personally face this, or have it happen to one of your children or grandchildren.


 I said nothing of the sort.  I said she should have had a C-section and held her child until he died.  There is no doubt in my mind that is exactly what I would have done.  And I know my daughter would do the same.



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Ohfour wrote:
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I think the purpose of the article was to show that later term abortion isn't easy, simple, or without anguish. It was a tragic outcome, and something that she grieves about all these years later.

Sadly, there are still the militant ones like lily and ohfour who would prefer her death (and she was just as undeserving of the complication that caused the termination) Honestly, you make it seem like she even had a choice other than to die.

I sincerely hope that you never either personally face this, or have it happen to one of your children or grandchildren.


 I said nothing of the sort.  I said she should have had a C-section and held her child until he died.  There is no doubt in my mind that is exactly what I would have done.  And I know my daughter would do the same.


That would have been my choice, too, Oh4.

But, it doesn't sound like she was offered this option. Maybe she was too sick to survive the surgery, so the doctor didn't offer it? 



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I think the purpose of the article was to show that later term abortion isn't easy, simple, or without anguish. It was a tragic outcome, and something that she grieves about all these years later.

Sadly, there are still the militant ones like lily and ohfour who would prefer her death (and she was just as undeserving of the complication that caused the termination) Honestly, you make it seem like she even had a choice other than to die.

I sincerely hope that you never either personally face this, or have it happen to one of your children or grandchildren.


 I said nothing of the sort.  I said she should have had a C-section and held her child until he died.  There is no doubt in my mind that is exactly what I would have done.  And I know my daughter would do the same.


That would have been my choice, too, Oh4.

But, it doesn't sound like she was offered this option. Maybe she was too sick to survive the surgery, so the doctor didn't offer it? 


 That is my guess.  With her blood pressure so high & kidney failure they probably thought it was too risky.  Again this was a long time ago.  In 2015 they may have given her that option.



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Ed, are you sure the drug wasn't available in 1989 to develop the lungs?
DH's cousin gave birth to a micro-preemie in September of 1988. She was 23 weeks, he weighed 1 pound 3 ounces. They gave her the drug to develop his lungs. He survived and is a healthy young man. You would never guess he was a micro preemie. She calls him, her million dollar baby. That's what it cost to save him. He was worth it to her and her family. He is a fine young man.
She was also forced to deliver via C-section due to preeclampsia. She made them wait the 24 hours after giving her the shot to develop his lungs.
As you all know, I am a pro-lifer. I know I will not change anyone's mind with my arguments. I'm just inserting something that I know is different then has been stated by others.

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