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having recovered the boxes and conducted their preliminary examinations, investigators have concluded that the first officer was flying the airplane at the time of the incident and that, despite several audible and visual warnings, he stalled the aircraft and it descended rapidly into the sea, killing all aboard

there was a similar incident involving an airbus a few years ago--systems error or pilot error ?

 

 



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That's awful.

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Sounds like pilot error due to lack of experience or lack of training. Most pilots go through this kind of situation in a simulator every so often just to keep their skills honed. So the question is: What was the Captain doing during this time? He should have taken over control as soon as he noticed something amiss.

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karl271 wrote:

Sounds like pilot error due to lack of experience or lack of training. Most pilots go through this kind of situation in a simulator every so often just to keep their skills honed. So the question is: What was the Captain doing during this time? He should have taken over control as soon as he noticed something amiss.


We may never know the answer to your question.

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apparently the captain was out of his seat and took the rather extraordinary step of tripping the breaker ( effectively shutting down a dedicated flight computer ) on the console directly behind the copilot--this computer was responsible for monitoring the in-flight safety parameter " envelope " for the aircraft--once off, the pilots were deprived of the automatic monitoring of the aircraft's attitude and were required to fly manually without the computer's input regards any variation from the safe envelope of operation--in other words, without the computer's " warnings " input

cannot fathom why, absent an all-out emergency, such an action would be required


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apparently the captain was out of his seat and took the rather extraordinary step of tripping the breaker ( effectively shutting down a dedicated flight computer ) on the console directly behind the copilot--this computer was responsible for monitoring the in-flight safety parameter " envelope " for the aircraft--once off, the pilots were deprived of the automatic monitoring of the aircraft's attitude and were required to fly manually without the computer's input regards any variation from the safe envelope of operation--in other words, without the computer's " warnings " input

cannot fathom why, absent an all-out emergency, such an action would be required


I read that he turned it off because it was beeping / alarming almost constantly and it was annoying. 

 



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I watch Air Disasters. And there is something called a Pito ( pee toe) tube that can get clogged. And it causes false airspeed readings so they may have been traveling much faster while ascending than they thought causing a stall.

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it's actually a pitot tube and you're correct about the pressure-dependent measurement of airspeed

what causes a stall is loss of lift--generally, two of the quickest ways to finalize a stall in a fixed-wing aircraft are 1) turn it or 2) pull back on the stick and raise the nose / angle of attack

in a similar incident with an airbus a few years ago, the copilot, even though it was obvious to everyone on the flight deck that they were FALLING, continued pulling back on the stick and holding the nose up--precisely the opposite of what you should do

realize you're flying a huge aircraft but if you've ever ridden down on a fast elevator then you've experienced the feeling of a rapid sense of descent in a machine--you can FEEL it--damn the instruments, use the seat of your pants ! ! !



-- Edited by burns07 on Saturday 31st of January 2015 08:04:23 PM

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