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Dr. Eric Ball of Orange County, Calif., says he tries to persuade parents to vaccinate their children. Credit Monica Almeida/The New York Times
 

HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif. — Their children have been sent home from school. Their families are barred from birthday parties and neighborhood play dates. Online, people call them negligent and criminal. And as officials in 14 states grapple to contain a spreading measles outbreak that began near here at Disneyland, the parents at the heart of America’s anti-vaccine movement are being blamed for incubating an otherwise preventable public-health crisis.

Measles anxiety rippled thousands of miles beyond its center on Friday as officials scrambled to try to contain a wider spread of the highly contagious disease — which America declared vanquished 15 years ago, before a statistically significant number of parents started refusing to vaccinate their children.

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Kelly McMenimen of Marin County, Calif., said she decided not to vaccinate her son Tobias, saying she did not want “so many toxins” entering his body. Credit Jim Wilson/The New York Times

In Arizona, health officials warned that 1,000 people could have been exposed to measles and urged anyone displaying symptoms to avoid this weekend’s Super Bowl events in the Phoenix area. In a small planned community where one family became ill after visiting Disneyland, store windows were lined with measles alerts, and a sign on the Pinal County office building warned: “Stop! Measles is in our county!” and asked people with symptoms to wear masks before entering.

But here in California, anti-vaccine parents whose children have endured bouts of whooping cough and chickenpox largely defended their choice to raise their children on natural foods, essential oils and no vaccinations.

“There is absolutely no reason to get the shot,” said Crystal McDonald, whose 16-year-old daughter was one of 66 students sent home from Palm Desert High School for the next two weeks because they did not have full measles immunizations.

After researching the issue and reading information from a national anti-vaccine group, Ms. McDonald said she and her husband, a chiropractor, decided to raise their four children without vaccines. She said they ate well and had never been to the doctor, and she insisted that her daughter was healthier than many classmates. But when the school sent her home with a letter, Ms. McDonald’s daughter was so concerned about missing two weeks of Advanced Placement classes that she suggested simply getting a measles inoculation.

“I said, ‘No, absolutely not,’ “ Ms. McDonald said. “I said, ‘I’d rather you miss an entire semester than you get the shot.’ “

The anti-vaccine movement can largely be traced to a 1998 report in a medical journal that suggested a link between vaccines and autism but was later proved fraudulent and retracted. Today, the waves of parents who shun vaccines include some who still believe in the link and some, like the Amish, who have religious objections to vaccines. Then there is a particular subculture of largely wealthy and well-educated families, many living in palmy enclaves around Los Angeles and San Francisco, who are trying to carve out “all-natural” lives for their children.

“Sometimes, I feel like we’re practicing in the 1950s,” said Dr. Eric Ball, a pediatrician in southern Orange County, where some schools report that 50 to 60 percent of their kindergartners are not fully vaccinated and that 20 to 40 percent of parents have sought a personal beliefs exemption to vaccination requirements. “It’s very frustrating. It’s hard to see a kid suffer for something that’s entirely preventable.”

Two of Dr. Ball’s patients are unvaccinated girls who became sick with the measles last week, though they had not been at Disneyland and it was unclear how they had been infected. Their father called the clinic to tell Dr. Ball and has been sending digital photographs of the girls, their faces stippled with red dots, to update him on how they are doing.

Dr. Ball said he spent many days trying to persuade parents to vaccinate their children. He tries to alleviate their concerns. He shows parents his own children’s vaccine records. But it has not worked, and lately, as worries and anger over this outbreak have spread, some families who support vaccines have said they do not want to be in the same waiting room as unvaccinated families. The clinic where Dr. Ball works has treated unvaccinated children for years, but its staff is meeting next week to discuss a ban.

“Our patients are really scared,” Dr. Ball said. “Our nightmare would be for someone to show up at our door with the measles.”

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that measles cases soared last year to 644, many more than in any other year in more than a decade. Since Jan. 1, the C.D.C. has confirmed 84 measles cases in 14 states. California’s health agency, which is updating a measles count more frequently, has reported 91 cases, with the biggest number, 27, here in Orange County.

The county’s vaccination rate for kindergartners is about 90 percent, a little lower than the statewide rate, 90.4 percent. But rates in some pockets, especially in the wealthier southern half, are sharply lower.

“There are different threads of concern out there” when it comes to vaccination, said Matt Zahn, the medical director for epidemiology at the Orange County Health Agency. “It becomes a game of Whack-a-Mole: As soon as you get rid of one issue, there’s another.”

The people most at risk of becoming seriously ill are babies too young to be vaccinated and the immunologically frail; measles can transform into something much worse, like encephalitis, and can be deadly. Among the fully vaccinated, the chances of contracting measles are small but do exist; the C.D.C. says the vaccine is more than 95 percent effective.

On Friday, all unvaccinated students who had been sent home from Huntington Beach High School after a possible measles exposure were allowed to return to school. But in Riverside County, officials reporting a probable case of a school employee with the measles ordered 40 students without vaccinations to stay home.

Similar scares are playing out far from Disneyland. In Kearny, Ariz., a small rural community with an economy tied to a nearby copper mine, a single family’s Christmas vacation has upended the rhythms of daily life. The family visited Disneyland in December, and four of its unvaccinated members came back with measles; a fifth person in Kearny also contracted the disease.

Now, many businesses in town — the grocery store, the post office, and more — have measles alerts in the windows featuring a blond boy with a rash all over his face. Several signs say that someone with the measles was in the store at a specific time last week and advise others who were there at the same time to be alert to symptoms.

Some parents in Kearny are sympathetic to the family that did not vaccinate children.

“I strongly believe in getting children the vaccines they need to protect them from any childhood disease out there, but that is my opinion,“ said Tiffany Magee, a mother of three. “I also strongly believe other parents have the right to choose not to get their children vaccinated due to religion or health reasons.”

Kearny school officials sent a letter home to all parents, urging calm, noting that, other than the children in the affected family, all other students in the district had been vaccinated. But it also advised parents to keep an eye out for symptoms. The measles outbreak has dominated talk in town and in two Facebook groups that discuss Kearny goings-on, and it has altered the way some people in town think about vaccines.

Missy Foster, 43, said she had not vaccinated her daughter, Tully, who is now 18 months old, against measles because of concern that the M.M.R. vaccine — which stands for measles, mumps and rubella, or German measles — might be associated with autism.

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“It’s the worst shot,” she said, with tears in her eyes. “Do you want to wake up one morning and the light is gone from her eyes with autism or something?”

But as soon as Ms. Foster heard about the measles outbreak, she called her pediatrician and scheduled the vaccine, still with trepidation about possible side effects but with greater worries about measles. Now she is planning to stay home, leaving only to go to church, until the vaccine fully takes effect.

“We didn’t think this would explode again, but it did,” Ms. Foster said. “I want her to be protected.”

And Norm Warren, the manager of the supermarket in Kearny, Gordon’s IGA, has changed his thinking toward those who do not vaccinate their children.

“Before, I thought, ‘If you think your child will become autistic, fine.’ But now they’re pushing their beliefs on everybody, and I feel differently,” he said. “How many lives have been saved by vaccination?”

Members of the anti-vaccine movement said the public backlash had terrified many parents. “People are now afraid they’re going to be jailed,” said Barbara Loe Fisher, the president of the National Vaccine Information Center, a clearinghouse for resisters. “I can’t believe what I’m seeing. It’s gotten so out of hand, and it’s gotten so vicious.”

In San Geronimo, Calif., a mostly rural community of rolling hills and oak trees about 30 miles north of San Francisco, 40 percent of the students walking into Lagunitas Elementary School have not been inoculated against measles, according to the school’s figures. Twenty-five percent have not been vaccinated for polio. In all, the state says that 58 percent of Lagunitas kindergartners do not have up-to-date vaccine records.

Some parents forgo shots altogether. Others split vaccine doses or stretch out their timeline, worried about somehow overwhelming their children’s immune system. Kelly McMenimen, a Lagunitas parent, said she “meditated on it a lot” before deciding not to vaccinate her son Tobias, 8, against even “deadly or deforming diseases.” She said she did not want “so many toxins” entering the slender body of a bright-eyed boy who loves math and geography.

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Tobias has endured chickenpox and whooping cough, though Ms. McMenimen said the latter seemed more like a common cold. She considered a tetanus shot after he cut himself on a wire fence but decided against it: “He has such a strong immune system.”

As Ciel Lorenzen, a massage therapist, picked up her children, Rio, 10, and Athena, 7, at Lagunitas Elementary, she defended her choice to not vaccinate either of them, even as health and school officials urged a different course.

“It’s good to explore alternatives rather than go with the panic of everyone around you,” she said. “Vaccines don’t feel right for me and my family.”



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I hope Kelly doesn't have an issue with her kids being denied entrance to school or contracting dreaded diseases! She and her DH are idiots.

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They SHOULD be defensive. They're putting others at risk, and basing their decisions on nonsense.

The communities should find a way to quarantine them.

 

 



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I wonder how many people claim religious exemption because they don't have insurance and the shots are expensive?! When DD was 2, a doctor's visit with immunizations ran about $200. She is almost 17 now, so who knows how expensive it would be.

When we lived in a bigger city (350,000 people) there were shot clinics where you could go and get free shots no questions asked. But we have lived in other places where there are no such clinics.

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"Vaccines don't feel right for me and my family" -- woman in OP

Know what else doesn't feel right? The frickin measles. Polio.

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OK - I fully believe in freedom, but these parents are just stupid. The vaccines have been around for decades, have been proven safe - and they eliminated many deadly children's diseases. Kids used to DIE at alarming rates - to ignore medical advances that have eradicated certain diseases is just dumb.

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It will limit these kids' future employment opportunities. They won't be able to work in health or education related fields. I'm sure they will have a hard time attending University as well.

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It will limit these kids' future employment opportunities. They won't be able to work in health or education related fields. I'm sure they will have a hard time attending University as well.


 http://www.vox.com/2015/1/29/7929791/measles-outbreak-2014

 

The largest measles outbreak last year occurred in Ohio when an Amish missionary went to the Phillipines and brought measles back and infected his entire sect. I only mention this article because it's a great example of how - once people see measles in action up close and personal - they change their minds and vaccinate as soon as possible. 



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I've been through the MM series three times. As a child, when I got married and my blood test came back that I wasn't immune, and when I went into school for surgery tech. I've also had 4 booster shots. Still come back as not immune. Doc said it isn't likely I'd ever catch it. Let's hope he's right.

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Question. sort of on topic.

I had all the MMR shots. But I had mumps. Does that mean I didn't get a good vaccine? Am I at risk?

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I've been through the MM series three times. As a child, when I got married and my blood test came back that I wasn't immune, and when I went into school for surgery tech. I've also had 4 booster shots. Still come back as not immune. Doc said it isn't likely I'd ever catch it. Let's hope he's right.


 I have been through twice. When I had the second series, the doc told me if it didn't "take" there was no sense doing it again. And I was also told it wasn't likely I would catch it. Like you said, let's hope they are right. 

 

Thats why why I feel so strongly about vaccinations. I am depending on the herd immunity as well. I did what I could, but there are no guarantees. And honestly, none of us know if we are in the percentage that won't develop the needed titers...unless you had your blood tested for it specifically. 



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I've been through the MM series three times. As a child, when I got married and my blood test came back that I wasn't immune, and when I went into school for surgery tech. I've also had 4 booster shots. Still come back as not immune. Doc said it isn't likely I'd ever catch it. Let's hope he's right.


 I have been through twice. When I had the second series, the doc told me if it didn't "take" there was no sense doing it again. And I was also told it wasn't likely I would catch it. Like you said, let's hope they are right. 

 

Thats why why I feel so strongly about vaccinations. I am depending on the herd immunity as well. I did what I could, but there are no guarantees. And honestly, none of us know if we are in the percentage that won't develop the needed titers...unless you had your blood tested for it specifically. 


 I think the immunizations given from 67 - 69 were no good. I had mine in 67. Had the mumps in 68 so obviously that wasn't prevented.



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I've been through the MM series three times. As a child, when I got married and my blood test came back that I wasn't immune, and when I went into school for surgery tech. I've also had 4 booster shots. Still come back as not immune. Doc said it isn't likely I'd ever catch it. Let's hope he's right.


 I have been through twice. When I had the second series, the doc told me if it didn't "take" there was no sense doing it again. And I was also told it wasn't likely I would catch it. Like you said, let's hope they are right. 

 

Thats why why I feel so strongly about vaccinations. I am depending on the herd immunity as well. I did what I could, but there are no guarantees. And honestly, none of us know if we are in the percentage that won't develop the needed titers...unless you had your blood tested for it specifically. 


 I think the immunizations given from 67 - 69 were no good. I had mine in 67. Had the mumps in 68 so obviously that wasn't prevented.


 I was born in 71. 



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I fully believe in childhood vaccinations - but let's not talk about the useless flu shot.

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Southern_Belle wrote:

I've been through the MM series three times. As a child, when I got married and my blood test came back that I wasn't immune, and when I went into school for surgery tech. I've also had 4 booster shots. Still come back as not immune. Doc said it isn't likely I'd ever catch it. Let's hope he's right.


 I have been through twice. When I had the second series, the doc told me if it didn't "take" there was no sense doing it again. And I was also told it wasn't likely I would catch it. Like you said, let's hope they are right. 

 

Thats why why I feel so strongly about vaccinations. I am depending on the herd immunity as well. I did what I could, but there are no guarantees. And honestly, none of us know if we are in the percentage that won't develop the needed titers...unless you had your blood tested for it specifically. 


 I think the immunizations given from 67 - 69 were no good. I had mine in 67. Had the mumps in 68 so obviously that wasn't prevented.


 I was born in 71. 


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Southern_Belle wrote:

I've been through the MM series three times. As a child, when I got married and my blood test came back that I wasn't immune, and when I went into school for surgery tech. I've also had 4 booster shots. Still come back as not immune. Doc said it isn't likely I'd ever catch it. Let's hope he's right.


 I have been through twice. When I had the second series, the doc told me if it didn't "take" there was no sense doing it again. And I was also told it wasn't likely I would catch it. Like you said, let's hope they are right. 

 

Thats why why I feel so strongly about vaccinations. I am depending on the herd immunity as well. I did what I could, but there are no guarantees. And honestly, none of us know if we are in the percentage that won't develop the needed titers...unless you had your blood tested for it specifically. 


 I think the immunizations given from 67 - 69 were no good. I had mine in 67. Had the mumps in 68 so obviously that wasn't prevented.


 I was born in 71. 


 Well shoot. I got nothing. 


I was born in 70. Had the shots and the mumps.  



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I fully believe in childhood vaccinations - but let's not talk about the useless flu shot.


 My job requires me to get it. this was the first year. What a joke.  I bet 50% of hospital staff has had the flu in the past 2 months. 



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I fully believe in childhood vaccinations - but let's not talk about the useless flu shot.


 My job requires me to get it. this was the first year. What a joke.  I bet 50% of hospital staff has had the flu in the past 2 months. 


 I have never had the flu shot and never had the flu either. I have had sinus infections, strep throat, and bronchitis. But not the flu. Honestly I don't think anyone could convince me to get the flu shot. 



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I fully believe in childhood vaccinations - but let's not talk about the useless flu shot.


 My job requires me to get it. this was the first year. What a joke.  I bet 50% of hospital staff has had the flu in the past 2 months. 


 I have never had the flu shot and never had the flu either. I have had sinus infections, strep throat, and bronchitis. But not the flu. Honestly I don't think anyone could convince me to get the flu shot. 


 I've had the flu shot once and it made me feel horrible.  Never again. 



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 I've had the flu shot once and it made me feel horrible.  Never again. 


Have you considered the possibility that you were already getting sick when you got the vaccination?

 

 



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I wont ever get the flu vaccine. I will never make my kids get it again either.





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 I've had the flu shot once and it made me feel horrible.  Never again. 


Have you considered the possibility that you were already getting sick when you got the vaccination?

 

 


 I went to the doctor - he said it was a reaction to the flu shot.  My body was building anti-bodies to the flu and that can make you feel weak and sick in the process. 

He also said that unless you are in a high risk group like the very young or the elderly or otherwise immune compromised, there is no reason to get the flu shot. 



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If you have an egg allergy it will make you sick.

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If you have an egg allergy it will make you sick.


 I don't have an egg allergy.  But I am rather sensitive to all medication.



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Living in SoCal I hate the anti vaccers.

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Living in SoCal I hate the anti vaccers.


 California is just weird.  You need to get out of that place.



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 California is just weird.  You need to get out of that place.


 Im working on it.



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 I've had the flu shot once and it made me feel horrible.  Never again. 


Have you considered the possibility that you were already getting sick when you got the vaccination?

 

 


 I went to the doctor - he said it was a reaction to the flu shot.  My body was building anti-bodies to the flu and that can make you feel weak and sick in the process. 

He also said that unless you are in a high risk group like the very young or the elderly or otherwise immune compromised, there is no reason to get the flu shot. 


Sure, as long as you don't mind 3 or 4 consecutive days and nights of vomiting and diarrhea. Stock up on Pedialyte.

 



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 I've had the flu shot once and it made me feel horrible.  Never again. 


Have you considered the possibility that you were already getting sick when you got the vaccination?

 

 


 I went to the doctor - he said it was a reaction to the flu shot.  My body was building anti-bodies to the flu and that can make you feel weak and sick in the process. 

He also said that unless you are in a high risk group like the very young or the elderly or otherwise immune compromised, there is no reason to get the flu shot. 


Sure, as long as you don't mind 3 or 4 consecutive days and nights of vomiting and diarrhea. Stock up on Pedialyte.

 


 The only flu I have had in the last 10 years is the swine flu, for which there was not yet a vaccine.



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I've always gotten the flu shot and only had a problem with it once. That was when the nurse uncapped the needle with her mouth. Ugh. Dirtiest thing ever. I couldn't stop her. She gave me the shot too quickly. I've always gotten it because I was in nursing but also because I have asthma and can't afford to get sick. My family didn't used to get the flu shot until about three years ago when SS got the flu. He was sick for a month. Literally. We even took him to the doctor who did a swab and confirmed it. Now everyone gets the flu shot. SS even says he remembers how sick he was. He never complains about the shot.

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 I've had the flu shot once and it made me feel horrible.  Never again. 


Have you considered the possibility that you were already getting sick when you got the vaccination?

 

 


 I went to the doctor - he said it was a reaction to the flu shot.  My body was building anti-bodies to the flu and that can make you feel weak and sick in the process. 

He also said that unless you are in a high risk group like the very young or the elderly or otherwise immune compromised, there is no reason to get the flu shot. 


Sure, as long as you don't mind 3 or 4 consecutive days and nights of vomiting and diarrhea. Stock up on Pedialyte.

 


 The only flu I have had in the last 10 years is the swine flu, for which there was not yet a vaccine.


I think people who have never been in a bad car accident should wear their seatbelts anyway. You don't get any notice when it's going to happen.

Same thing (imho) with flu and other vaccines.

Yes, it's a personal choice, whether to get a flu shot. I would get them to reduce my risk, and to -- hopefully -- increase herd immunity for the sake of my family.

 



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Oh good Lord. Gonna try to guilt trip someone over the flu shot?

Look. As proven this season, the flu shot is a shot in the dark. All those that got the shot and still well over half got the flu anyway. Lot of good it did for anyone but the ones getting the money for them.

Yes, the ones who are in the most danger of getting sick are the ones who need it but then again, it didn't do much good now did it.

And I know, "it helped with this or that". No. Not really.

People DO get sick from the shot itself. If you don't believe that, then you should come talk to me about that bridge I have for sale.

The flu is manageable. And we build up immunity by exposure. Does that mean go wallow in a sick person's bed and contaminated stuff? No.

Wash your hands often and don't touch your face. The best way to avoid getting sick.



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lilyofcourse wrote:

Oh good Lord. Gonna try to guilt trip someone over the flu shot?

Look. As proven this season, the flu shot is a shot in the dark. All those that got the shot and still well over half got the flu anyway. Lot of good it did for anyone but the ones getting the money for them.

Yes, the ones who are in the most danger of getting sick are the ones who need it but then again, it didn't do much good now did it.

And I know, "it helped with this or that". No. Not really.

People DO get sick from the shot itself. If you don't believe that, then you should come talk to me about that bridge I have for sale.

The flu is manageable. And we build up immunity by exposure. Does that mean go wallow in a sick person's bed and contaminated stuff? No.

Wash your hands often and don't touch your face. The best way to avoid getting sick.


Tell me more about this bridge. Can I collect tolls? 

 



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I was born in 1956. I got the first wave of mass immunization for measles back in 1962. Back then, you got them at school (along with polio ) I've never gotten measles, and by the time my kids came along, most folks were getting vaccinated.
I also got mumps, scarlet fever, chicken pox and a myriad of other illnesses, because there were no vaccines at the time.

Sadly, what people are missing is so many more will die from complications of influenza than from measels. As lily says, it's a shot in the dark, but better than nothing, and most years it does offer pretty good protection. Some people get a mild reaction (it's the immune response). Still better than getting flu.

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The anti vax crowd is a generation that received their immunizations, and grew up without ever seeing the diseases manifest. Now that they see the reality of what my generation experienced, there may be many who change their mind.

I can still remember my mother being so grateful for my receiving a polio vaccine, because it wasn't many years earlier that polio was a very present threat in their lives.

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