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Oregon strippers lobby for better work conditions

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By JONATHAN J. COOPER, Associated Press14 hrs ago
 

 

Elle Stanger: In this Thursday, Jan. 22, 2015 photo, stripper Elle Stanger poses for a photo in front of the Lucky Devil Lounge, where she performs, in Portland, Ore. Tired of watching well-meaning strangers impose their own visions for improving the plight of the dancer, some of Portland’s seasoned strippers are working directly with state lawmakers and professional lobbyists in search of better working conditions. © AP Photo/Don Ryan In this Thursday, Jan. 22, 2015 photo, stripper Elle Stanger poses for a photo in front of the Lucky Devil Lounge, where she performs, in Portland, Ore. Tired of watching well-meaning strangers impose their own visions for…

SALEM, Ore. — Any tourist guide to Portland will tell you about the strip clubs.

There are dozens of them, something for any taste or any neighborhood, helped to ubiquity by Oregon's fierce protection of free speech.

Tired of watching well-meaning strangers impose their own visions for improving the plight of the dancer, some of Portland's seasoned strippers are working directly with state lawmakers and professional lobbyists.

Around the country, strippers have stepped up their fight for better working conditions. Some are suing. Others have filed complaints with state regulators. A handful have unionized. But the effort in Oregon to work directly with the Legislature — with the support of lobbyists — is unique.

"The hardest part about being a stripper is battling the stigma that we are victims that need help from outsiders," said Elle Stanger, a stripper who's been active in the movement. "It doesn't matter if you work in education, clergy, any kind of blue collar work — the people who do the work know what the work environment needs."

Stanger has worked her entire five-year career at the Lucky Devil Lounge. She's pleased with the management, she said, and isn't concerned she'll face retaliation for speaking publicly. But as the assistant editor of Exotic Magazine, a local publication for the sex industry, she's seen plenty of clubs. They're not all as great as hers.

"Some of the buildings are literally dilapidated and not maintained," Stanger said. "You have entertainers that could injure themselves from broken glass on the stage, poor wiring with the sound system. We just want to get these workplaces up to a minimum safety standard at least."

There may be a few bad apples, but most club owners take dancers' safety seriously and are appalled when strippers are mistreated, said Claude DaCorsi, a club operator and president of the Oregon chapter of the Association of Club Executives, an industry association.

"We're here to protect and make safe environments for entertainers," DaCorsi said. "They're the reason we exist."

The dancers and lobbyists have settled on a handful of improvements they'd like to pursue.

Ideally, they want to see strip clubs comply with mandatory health and safety standards — clean stages, structurally sound poles, adequate security. But that could be a tough sell in the Legislature.

More realistically, they plan to push for a mandate that clubs display a poster outlining dancers' rights with a hotline they can call to ask questions or report abuses. They want the hotline to be staffed by people with experience in the industry, not bureaucrats or law enforcement.

Strippers generally work as independent contractors rather than employees. They pay a stage fee or a portion of their earnings to the management, bartenders, bouncers, DJs and other support staff.

The contractor status means clubs don't have to pay payroll taxes or provide health insurance. It also means that dancers can't be managed like employees.

Many young women get into the business without much work experience and are exploited, some strippers say. Not knowing their rights as independent contractors, dancers may not realize when a management demand is illegal or inappropriate, they say. The association helps keep them from being on their own.

The group, which has met about once a month with anywhere from four to 30 dancers, was convened by the Oregon chapter of the National Association of Social Workers. Wanting to help people with no political representation, the group tasked two contract lobbyists with figuring out how they could contribute.

"Social workers have always fought for people who want to fight for themselves," said Delmar Stone, director of the Oregon and Idaho chapter. "We're in solidarity with them in achieving human rights, basic protections, not being exploited."

Dancers warned the group not to require strippers to get licenses or make it harder for them to work as independent contractors. They like the anonymity and flexibility they have when they're truly treated as contractors.

The lobbyists brought their own news: Oregon's free speech protections, which are more robust than the federal First Amendment, severely limit the regulations that can be imposed. Rules that apply exclusively to strip clubs won't fly, so they'll have to be imposed on all "live entertainment" venues, bringing a whole host of fully-clothed entertainers into the mix.

Three times between 1994 and 2000, voters rejected constitutional amendments that would have allowed strip club crackdowns.

That means the government can't say where clubs can go, how much clothing dancers must wear or how close they're allowed to get to customers. Strip clubs can't be treated any differently than other places that serve food or alcohol.

A poster in the dressing room isn't necessarily a problem, said DaCorsi of the industry group, but he worries club owners would have to pay for a hotline. If regulations were needed, the industry should police itself, he said.

The dancers' work with lawmakers has surprised and confused DaCorsi and his colleagues, he said.

"How did it get to this point where entertainers got fed up to the point where they felt we need to enact a law or do some legislation around this?"

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Follow AP writer Jonathan J. Cooper at http://twitter.com/jjcooper.

                            © AP Photo/Don Ryan In this Thursday, Jan. 22, 2015 photo, stripper Elle Stanger poses for a photo in front of the Lucky Devil Lounge, where she performs, in Portland, Ore. Tired of watching well-meaning strangers impose their own visions for…

 

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Oh good grief, get a freakin real job.

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Yeah, how about don't be a stripper.

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Southern_Belle wrote:

Yeah, how about don't be a stripper.


 That's what I was thinking but then I thought, "Nah, that's just too simple."



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I like simple.

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"Oh good grief, get a freakin real job." - just Czech

It is a real job. Getting naked on stage and private dances aside, I know I couldn't do the physical part of the job that some of them do. Could you?

Show of hands:
Who can pull themselves up a pole with just their hands?
Who can keep themselves from sliding back down that same pole with just the pressure of their legs?
Who can walk and strut and dance in 6-8 inch heels for 8 hours at a time?

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Seeing as how all women are supposed to be wearing high heels at all times just to please men I don't think that's even an issue.

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That's huskerbb's belief, not mine.

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WYSIWYG wrote:

"Oh good grief, get a freakin real job." - just Czech

It is a real job. Getting naked on stage and private dances aside, I know I couldn't do the physical part of the job that some of them do. Could you?

Show of hands:
Who can pull themselves up a pole with just their hands?
Who can keep themselves from sliding back down that same pole with just the pressure of their legs?
Who can walk and strut and dance in 6-8 inch heels for 8 hours at a time?


You seem to think she will be able to do all those things in her 40's and 50's.

Yeah, right.

Get a freakin real job, now. 



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"You seem to think she will be able to do all those things in her 40's and 50's.

Yeah, right.

Get a freakin real job, now." - just Czech
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No, I don't. I don't assume how long a stripper will be in the profession. I also know that not all jobs are life-long ambitions. I'm sure the average kid working at McDonald's doesn't want to be there in his or her 40's or 50's either.

The point was it is a real job, even if it's a short lived one, how long a person can do it doesn't change anything.

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I know people in their 40's and 50's working at McD's.

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"I know people in their 40's and 50's working at McD's." - Nobody Just Nobody

I do too. That doesn't mean that was their plan when they were teenagers.

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Too quote husker... They should have planned better.

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WYSIWYG wrote:

"You seem to think she will be able to do all those things in her 40's and 50's.

Yeah, right.

Get a freakin real job, now." - just Czech
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No, I don't. I don't assume how long a stripper will be in the profession. I also know that not all jobs are life-long ambitions. I'm sure the average kid working at McDonald's doesn't want to be there in his or her 40's or 50's either.

The point was it is a real job, even if it's a short lived one, how long a person can do it doesn't change anything.


Most people would prefer to list working at McD's on their job resume over being a stripper. There is still a stigma to being a stripper and it's not a good one. 



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"There is still a stigma to being a stripper and it's not a good one." - just Czech

It's not a fair one either.

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WYSIWYG wrote:

"There is still a stigma to being a stripper and it's not a good one." - just Czech

It's not a fair one either.


It is what it is.

Fair? Get over it. 



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What? Life isn't fair? Wafaboda! I didn't get THAT memo!



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LOL. Yeah, I agree. Life isn't fair.

The same could be said about people's dislike of someone else's choice of profession though. "They made that choice? Get over it."

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LOL. Yeah, I agree. Life isn't fair.

The same could be said about people's dislike of someone else's choice of profession though. "They made that choice? Get over it."


Yup, and they can get right over other people judging them for their choices.

And, please, don't say it isn't going to happen. It will. 



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I guess I think safe working conditions are a good thing, regardless of what the job is.

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I guess I'm a little confused by their fight to unionize and fight for better conditions when they are all independent contractors. Independent contractors are not employees, and therefore, they don't have the same rights or obligations as employees.

However, I have no issue for them fighting for a safe work environment - I'm surprised any place that dilapidated is allowed to be open to the public in the first place.

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

I guess I think safe working conditions are a good thing, regardless of what the job is.


I agree, and I think stripping is hard work. At least they're earning money, not taking welfare.

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Any why do women have to be so quick to judge other women?

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When i lived in base housing. I had a neighbor who was a stripper. She was butt ugly and built like a 12 year old boy. Her little girl would go around telling everyone mommy was a dancer.

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Seeing as how all women are supposed to be wearing high heels at all times just to please men I don't think that's even an issue.


 Well if she wore flats, she would probably be fired.  biggrin



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I've always wondered that myself.

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I was once recruited by a stripper, also a ****tail waitress. I couldn't do either job so I declined, but I have a tone of respect for them. It's a tough job and am I am so glad I didn't have to do either. I have known ladies who do both. They make more money than I could ever dream of and good for them. They deserve it putting up with the nonsense they have to. I always tip well for the ****tails and have never paid for the lap dance, but I am sure they got theirs.

I don't understand the hate. They provide a service that people will pay for. They deserve safe working conditions and fair treatment.

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I was much skinnier and younger then

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Strippers in general are trying to fight to not be "independent" contractors. Personally, more power to them if they get what they want. They are providing a service that people are willing to pay for.

I've been in a few strip clubs in Vegas and those girls work hard. Although I don't understand why they all smell like baby powder.

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Baby powder? Huh?

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TrudyML wrote:

Baby powder? Huh?


 Oh, don't act so surprised, Trudy!

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