Q. Estranged Daughter: I have a 20-year-old daughter who is now away at college. Her mother and I divorced over 10 years ago. My daughter was not pleased that I remarried five years ago and would only associate with me and not even attend events if my new wife was there. My wife has been very patient and didn’t begrudge me time with my daughter. She even allowed my daughter to use an old car of hers to drive to school and around town and helped pay for some high level sports clinics that my daughter wished to attend. When my daughter left for college she wanted to take my wife’s car. I said no and my daughter stopped speaking to me. This has gone on for 18 months even though I pay her full college expenses. She snubs me and her grandparents after her games when the other players come out to see their families. I have continued to communicate one-sidedly, send emails, texts, and gifts, as have my parents. I had told her and her mother I would take care of tuition for her first two years and now I have fulfilled that promise. Any suggestions as to how to reconnect with her and how to gently remind her and her mother, who has encouraged my daughter in this behavior, that it is Mom’s turn to pay for college?
A: Parental alienation is a terrible and sometimes unfixable thing. Your ex-wife has poisoned your daughter against you. This has been going on since she was a little girl, and at that time she had no psychological choice but to side with your ex. The risk of losing a mother’s affections is a frightening thing to any child. But now she is a young woman—a spoiled, rude, and emotionally damaged one—and the way she treats you is indefensible. Before you make a plan, you must first completely separate out finances from behavior. Payment of college should have been something worked out in the divorce agreement, and if necessary you need to go back to a lawyer to figure out how you and your ex pay for the rest of your daughter’s education. It will simply be counterproductive for any chance at someday having a decent relationship with her to make her getting her degree contingent on how she treats you—even as that makes intuitive sense. As for her behavior, I think it’s time you addressed this with her directly. Before you do, have some sessions with a therapist who has expertise in parental alienation and reconciliation. Ideally, your daughter would agree to go to counseling with you to address your issues and heal this breach. You have to accept that this is what will happen in an ideal world, and that it may never happen for you. But with guidance you can figure out a plan for moving forward, which will include a way to let your daughter know you will always love her, but as you two deal with each other adult to adult, both of you need to treat each other with respect.
There is nothing in his letter about the ex-wife. Are you just assuming she is bad because the daughter is a spoiled little bitch? Personally, I think dad had a hand in this, too - he should have put his foot down 5 years ago when he remarried and not allowed her to disrespect his new wife.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
He should have never let her drive his wife's car. Or attend anything they couldn't afford without his wife kicking some money in. If he isn't leagaly obligated to pay her full tuition he needs to cut her off.
There is nothing in his letter about the ex-wife. Are you just assuming she is bad because the daughter is a spoiled little bitch? Personally, I think dad had a hand in this, too - he should have put his foot down 5 years ago when he remarried and not allowed her to disrespect his new wife.
Yes, there is.
Any suggestions as to how to reconnect with her and how to gently remind her and her mother, who has encouraged my daughter in this behavior, that it is Mom’s turn to pay for college?
It sounds like the Mom, poisoned the daughter. JMHO.
There is nothing in his letter about the ex-wife. Are you just assuming she is bad because the daughter is a spoiled little bitch? Personally, I think dad had a hand in this, too - he should have put his foot down 5 years ago when he remarried and not allowed her to disrespect his new wife.
Not "liking" something does not entitle you in life to act like a spoiled little baby. So, she didn't "like" the new wife. Too darn bad. Ok, maybe you put up with it a first, but after time passes, no. She either learns to act respectful and accept her presence or you don't give her everything she wants.
Yep, unless the new wife treats her badly she needs to grow up. Not liking dad's new wife isn't reason enough to be a spoiled brat. And it sounds like they already have an agreement on college. I don't see why he has to go back to a lawyer. DH's divorce decree reads the same. He has to pay 50% of college if his son chooses to go. They can split it any way they choose. Sounds like he chose to pay for the first two years. No reason to "negotiate" anything.
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There is nothing in his letter about the ex-wife. Are you just assuming she is bad because the daughter is a spoiled little bitch? Personally, I think dad had a hand in this, too - he should have put his foot down 5 years ago when he remarried and not allowed her to disrespect his new wife.
Yes, there is.
Any suggestions as to how to reconnect with her and how to gently remind her and her mother, who has encouraged my daughter in this behavior, that it is Mom’s turn to pay for college?
It sounds like the Mom, poisoned the daughter. JMHO.
Ahhh, missed that. Sorry.
Well, I don't know the "gently" should be a factor. He paid 2 years - it is mom's turn, end of discussion. You know, some people actually have to pay for their college themselves. Shocking, I know.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
There is nothing in his letter about the ex-wife. Are you just assuming she is bad because the daughter is a spoiled little bitch? Personally, I think dad had a hand in this, too - he should have put his foot down 5 years ago when he remarried and not allowed her to disrespect his new wife.
Yes, there is.
Any suggestions as to how to reconnect with her and how to gently remind her and her mother, who has encouraged my daughter in this behavior, that it is Mom’s turn to pay for college?
It sounds like the Mom, poisoned the daughter. JMHO.
Ahhh, missed that. Sorry.
Well, I don't know the "gently" should be a factor. He paid 2 years - it is mom's turn, end of discussion. You know, some people actually have to pay for their college themselves. Shocking, I know.
Yeah, this is how the talk should go. "According to the divorce I was responsible for two years of college. I have fulfilled that obligation. I will forward all bills to you from now on."
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
Since every one involved are adults. Talk to each other like adults.
Tell daughter it is time for her to step up and take care of herself. If she wants the benefits of being his daughter, then stop taking advantage of him.
I know my parents would not put up with that kind of behavior.
At this point, it no longer matters what the mom did or didn't do. Daughter is an adult. Stop being a brat.
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Thing is, dad created this monster. He didn't put his foot down when this started. All he's done for 5 years is feed the behavior. He can't expect it to change now. It will get worse when he cuts off college money.
Yes. It can change. And he is the only one to change it.
It wont be easy. But if it doesn't change now, it never will.
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A flock of flirting flamingos is pure, passionate, pink pandemonium-a frenetic flamingle-mangle-a discordant discotheque of delirious dancing, flamboyant feathers, and flamingo lingo.
Thing is, dad created this monster. He didn't put his foot down when this started. All he's done for 5 years is feed the behavior. He can't expect it to change now. It will get worse when he cuts off college money.
Yep. Totally his fault. He can change it now but it's going to be a whole lot harder.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
There is nothing in his letter about the ex-wife. Are you just assuming she is bad because the daughter is a spoiled little bitch? Personally, I think dad had a hand in this, too - he should have put his foot down 5 years ago when he remarried and not allowed her to disrespect his new wife.
Yes, there is.
Any suggestions as to how to reconnect with her and how to gently remind her and her mother, who has encouraged my daughter in this behavior, that it is Mom’s turn to pay for college?
It sounds like the Mom, poisoned the daughter. JMHO.
That's the line I was picking up on. It sounds like the mother is encouraging bad behavior from his point of view.
There is nothing in his letter about the ex-wife. Are you just assuming she is bad because the daughter is a spoiled little bitch? Personally, I think dad had a hand in this, too - he should have put his foot down 5 years ago when he remarried and not allowed her to disrespect his new wife.
Yes, there is.
Any suggestions as to how to reconnect with her and how to gently remind her and her mother, who has encouraged my daughter in this behavior, that it is Mom’s turn to pay for college?
It sounds like the Mom, poisoned the daughter. JMHO.
That's the line I was picking up on. It sounds like the mother is encouraging bad behavior from his point of view.
Well, the girl is an adult now, and dad has fed into this, too. Basically - they all sound like they deserve each other. Except the poor 2nd wife who let the bratty step-daughter drive her car even when she was being a brat.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
There is nothing in his letter about the ex-wife. Are you just assuming she is bad because the daughter is a spoiled little bitch? Personally, I think dad had a hand in this, too - he should have put his foot down 5 years ago when he remarried and not allowed her to disrespect his new wife.
Yes, there is.
Any suggestions as to how to reconnect with her and how to gently remind her and her mother, who has encouraged my daughter in this behavior, that it is Mom’s turn to pay for college?
It sounds like the Mom, poisoned the daughter. JMHO.
That's the line I was picking up on. It sounds like the mother is encouraging bad behavior from his point of view.
Well, the girl is an adult now, and dad has fed into this, too. Basically - they all sound like they deserve each other. Except the poor 2nd wife who let the bratty step-daughter drive her car even when she was being a brat.
Being a step parent is hard. You really have no control. She probably figured the car thing was not a hill worth dying on. Sometimes it really is the small things that cause a marriage the greatest strife.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
The girl is a little spoiled bratty bitch. Who made her that way? Both her parents. They allowed that behavior. The father should have put a stop to it long ago. The mom sounds passive about it all at best and encouraging of it at worst. This girl is going to have a hard time in real life when she pouts and people don't do what she wants. I promise you she won't have very many, if any, friends.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
But I wouldn't have let the daughter drive my car either. I'm a bitch like that.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou