TOTALLY GEEKED!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Shhh.... The T.V. will hear you.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

Nice, pay a fortune to give them all your info.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I just used the app to turn my phone into a remote for my T.V. Now I am thinking I want to turn that off.

I use my phone to access my bank accounts. It has other information on there I don't really want others having.

Big Brother is every where now.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

I don't think anything interesting enough goes on in my home to warrant people listening in via my television . . . they likely have more important things to do . . .

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

If you are having a conversation about dinner, it becomes information for advertisements.

Just like how when you search something on your computer or click on a thread too many times. You get ads.

And if you are talking about your taxes or your insurance or anything that is normal and boring, it can record that and a third party get it.

What other conversations are going on in your house?

With all the hacking going on, what is to keep people from turning on these features without your knowledge?

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Well I sure hope they enjoy my singing along with the music channels. That'll teach them to eavesdrop!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lexxy wrote:
Well I sure hope they enjoy my singing along with the music channels. That'll teach them to eavesdrop!

You GO, Lexxy!!!

flan

DemoniaD · Senior Member

We have a smart tv in the bedroom, but don't have the voice feature activated.

cadiver · Senior Member

Its surprising how much data companies want. I bought some wireless Philips Hue light bulbs. The user agreement said the would collect data including whether my light bulbs were on or off.

Apps for the phone seem to be worse. I a flashlight app wanted access to my location and phone contacts.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

We have no anonymity any more.

With a few key strokes our whole lives can be in a strangers hands.

From where we are to what we eat to how we sleep.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
We have no anonymity any more.

With a few key strokes our whole lives can be in a strangers hands.

From where we are to what we eat to how we sleep.

So???

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lily, I wish I could transport you to Old Testament times.

Would you be happy?

Doubtful.

But maybe you would fit in.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And all the other access we give to strangers.

The ability to monitor our homes, unlock our house and car doors. Security systems and houses are remote controlled.

Basically, a stranger can have complete and total access to every single aspect of our lives. And we even pay them for it.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Flan, how much do you like others, you don't know, in your life? How much free rein do you give strangers?

Is it really ok to you that so many people have access to your private and personal property and moments?

Are you really ok with giving away so much of your basic privacies?

I mean we go ape poop over some HIPPA violation but then we say nothing about strangers having complete and total access to every part of our life.

Surely you are not ok with that.

I know you like to be smug and have a cute little sarcastic comment to everything, but if anyone else posted this thread, you would have a completely different attitude about it.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

It's HIPAA.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And that's all you got.

Ok.

Moving right along.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Unfortunately Lily it is the price we pay for automation. I worry about identity theft but I love paying my bills & shopping online so that is the trade off.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

And every time you use that "discount" card at the grocery store it collects data.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

All the hacking going on. We get all upset about it.

But then we invite it in.

Yes. It is the price of progress.

But I don't think we should make it so easy either.

Sin City Girl · Member

I love my smart TVs. I hate the Xbox that wants to change the channel or fast forward movies with any movement by my hand. It also listens and waits for commands. Hate it! My life is pretty boring so I will continue to use all the conveniences if I like them enough.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

lilyofcourse wrote:
All the hacking going on. We get all upset about it.

But then we invite it in.

Yes. It is the price of progress.

But I don't think we should make it so easy either.

And what exactly happens if you get your info stolen? Do you know? I do. I had my credit card info stolen and theu charged up about $10,000 worth of stuff. One phone call to the bank and it was taken care of. I had to sign a statement that said I didn't charge those things (which they could see that I didn't as it was used in different parts of the world on the same day) and my account was back to normal. Honestly, it isn't that big of a deal. It isn't like you are on the hook for those charges. You aren't even on the hook for charges you DO make, if you dispute it with the bank. As long as your signature doesn't match the one on file, you can dispute any charge and not pay.

The TV in the OP doesn't listen to you until you give it the commands it is listening for. So unless you say "change the channel" it is in sleep mode. Your family time is safe.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Where will it lead?

And yes. It can be turned on by outside sources.

The makers of the T.V. say it them selves.

When will something said in private, become a law suit. Or a criminal investigation?

How much are we willing to give away?

I thought it was very interesting. Something to discuss.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
And that's all you got.

Ok.

Moving right along.

No, I just wonder why you can't Google...

You don't know who Idina Menzel is.

You don't know what a fandom is.

flan

cadiver · Senior Member

Southern_Belle wrote:
And every time you use that "discount" card at the grocery store it collects data.

Mine used to be Richard Cranium at 8675 309

cadiver · Senior Member

Mellow Momma wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
All the hacking going on. We get all upset about it.

But then we invite it in.

Yes. It is the price of progress.

But I don't think we should make it so easy either.
And what exactly happens if you get your info stolen? Do you know? I do. I had my credit card info stolen and theu charged up about $10,000 worth of stuff. One phone call to the bank and it was taken care of. I had to sign a statement that said I didn't charge those things (which they could see that I didn't as it was used in different parts of the world on the same day) and my account was back to normal. Honestly, it isn't that big of a deal. It isn't like you are on the hook for those charges. You aren't even on the hook for charges you DO make, if you dispute it with the bank. As long as your signature doesn't match the one on file, you can dispute any charge and not pay.
The TV in the OP doesn't listen to you until you give it the commands it is listening for. So unless you say "change the channel" it is in sleep mode. Your family time is safe.

Their is a difference to me of having a credit card info stolen/used and identity theft. I had a friend whose SSN was stolen. After months of fighting and getting a new SSN the thief called her up and recited the new number to her. Depends on the effort of the thief.

cadiver · Senior Member

I would get a firewall. That way you block the incoming connections as well as control the outgoing connections. You can let the TV connect to Netflix but not Samsung/Sony.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
And that's all you got.

Ok.

Moving right along.
No, I just wonder why you can't Google...
You don't know who Idina Menzel is.
You don't know what a fandom is.
flan

And this means what?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

cadiver wrote:
Southern_Belle wrote:
And every time you use that "discount" card at the grocery store it collects data.
Mine used to be Richard Cranium at 8675 309

That is hilarious.

I use to call my drafting teacher that. He would just shake his head and laugh and tell me to get to work.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

MM, it wasn't that long ago a man lost his job because of a something he said in what he thought was private.

Now what he said wasn't right. I am not going to defend what he said. That is not the point of what I am trying to say.

But let's say a person is in their living room and they are heard saying something in confidence to another BUT that T.V. just happens to be recording at that moment and the right, or wrong, third party gets it and while translating it decides they need to report it.

Yes. Far fetched isn't it?

Or is it.

Think about it.

All I am saying is we all like our privacy. But then when it is compromised by convenience, we shrug and say "oh well".

Ohfour · Hooker

cadiver wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
All the hacking going on. We get all upset about it.

But then we invite it in.

Yes. It is the price of progress.

But I don't think we should make it so easy either.
And what exactly happens if you get your info stolen? Do you know? I do. I had my credit card info stolen and theu charged up about $10,000 worth of stuff. One phone call to the bank and it was taken care of. I had to sign a statement that said I didn't charge those things (which they could see that I didn't as it was used in different parts of the world on the same day) and my account was back to normal. Honestly, it isn't that big of a deal. It isn't like you are on the hook for those charges. You aren't even on the hook for charges you DO make, if you dispute it with the bank. As long as your signature doesn't match the one on file, you can dispute any charge and not pay.
The TV in the OP doesn't listen to you until you give it the commands it is listening for. So unless you say "change the channel" it is in sleep mode. Your family time is safe.
Their is a difference to me of having a credit card info stolen/used and identity theft. I had a friend whose SSN was stolen. After months of fighting and getting a new SSN the thief called her up and recited the new number to her. Depends on the effort of the thief.

Debit cards are a totally different story. A coworker had her debit card stolen. Took months to resolve. Her bank account was closed and her direct deposits were seized. Its not as simple as some would make it out to be.

voiceofreason · Guru

I get the concern. I don't want anyone hearing my conversations with Roscoe. I'd be committed post haste.

In all seriousness we should be aware of the cost of convenience and our loss of privacy. In my mind, we're already on camera at least 50% (my own estimate, nothing to back this up) of the time due to living in a city with cameras at damn near every intersection and business . Our society has forced this due to crime. Data mining though isn't about safety, it's about profit and that bothers me a bit.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Ohfour wrote:
cadiver wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
All the hacking going on. We get all upset about it.

But then we invite it in.

Yes. It is the price of progress.

But I don't think we should make it so easy either.
And what exactly happens if you get your info stolen? Do you know? I do. I had my credit card info stolen and theu charged up about $10,000 worth of stuff. One phone call to the bank and it was taken care of. I had to sign a statement that said I didn't charge those things (which they could see that I didn't as it was used in different parts of the world on the same day) and my account was back to normal. Honestly, it isn't that big of a deal. It isn't like you are on the hook for those charges. You aren't even on the hook for charges you DO make, if you dispute it with the bank. As long as your signature doesn't match the one on file, you can dispute any charge and not pay.
The TV in the OP doesn't listen to you until you give it the commands it is listening for. So unless you say "change the channel" it is in sleep mode. Your family time is safe.
Their is a difference to me of having a credit card info stolen/used and identity theft. I had a friend whose SSN was stolen. After months of fighting and getting a new SSN the thief called her up and recited the new number to her. Depends on the effort of the thief.
Debit cards are a totally different story. A coworker had her debit card stolen. Took months to resolve. Her bank account was closed and her direct deposits were seized. Its not as simple as some would make it out to be.

It depends on the bank. DH had a similar issue with a debit card ($3000 in fraud) and it was resolved within 48 hours. Each bank must have different rules. Our bank was actually amazing about it - didn't question a thing, froze all activity on the account, fed ex'd us a new card.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

voiceofreason wrote:
I get the concern. I don't want anyone hearing my conversations with Roscoe. I'd be committed post haste.

In all seriousness we should be aware of the cost of convenience and our loss of privacy. In my mind, we're already on camera at least 50% (my own estimate, nothing to back this up) of the time due to living in a city with cameras at damn near every intersection and business . Our society has forced this due to crime. Data mining though isn't about safety, it's about profit and that bothers me a bit.

I so glad you were able to put into words what I was trying to say.

I understand the need for progress.

But I wonder what we are losing.

And the reason behind it.

DemoniaD · Senior Member

Mellow Momma wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
cadiver wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
All the hacking going on. We get all upset about it.

But then we invite it in.

Yes. It is the price of progress.

But I don't think we should make it so easy either.
And what exactly happens if you get your info stolen? Do you know? I do. I had my credit card info stolen and theu charged up about $10,000 worth of stuff. One phone call to the bank and it was taken care of. I had to sign a statement that said I didn't charge those things (which they could see that I didn't as it was used in different parts of the world on the same day) and my account was back to normal. Honestly, it isn't that big of a deal. It isn't like you are on the hook for those charges. You aren't even on the hook for charges you DO make, if you dispute it with the bank. As long as your signature doesn't match the one on file, you can dispute any charge and not pay.
The TV in the OP doesn't listen to you until you give it the commands it is listening for. So unless you say "change the channel" it is in sleep mode. Your family time is safe.
Their is a difference to me of having a credit card info stolen/used and identity theft. I had a friend whose SSN was stolen. After months of fighting and getting a new SSN the thief called her up and recited the new number to her. Depends on the effort of the thief.
Debit cards are a totally different story. A coworker had her debit card stolen. Took months to resolve. Her bank account was closed and her direct deposits were seized. Its not as simple as some would make it out to be.
It depends on the bank. DH had a similar issue with a debit card ($3000 in fraud) and it was resolved within 48 hours. Each bank must have different rules. Our bank was actually amazing about it - didn't question a thing, froze all activity on the account, fed ex'd us a new card.

We had debit card information stolen not to long ago. The bank noticed the charge right after it happened and called to see if I had authorized it. When I told them no, they immediately flagged the account, in case someone tried to use it. I had my money back and a new card within 2 days. Inconvenient, yes, but about as painfree as having your card info stolen can be. I couldn't imagine it taking months to resolve. That would be awful.

As for the Smart TVs, Apps, whatever. These are choices, not requirements. By choosing, you run the risk of loosing a piece of your privacy. Don't want the risk? Don't use the voice controls on the Smart TV, or don't buy one at all. Don't download apps that want access to info you don't want to give. It is that simple. If you invite in these things that are known to invade your privacy, you shouldn't be surprised when they do just that.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

You do realize that each of these devices can be activated by a stranger in another location WITHOUT you knowing it?

Do you play games on your phone? Did you see the little thing about needing your information when accepting the TOA? So while you are crushing candy, a data house has collected your search history.

Big brother is sneaky.

DemoniaD · Senior Member

All the apps show you what information they want before you download them. By downloading the game, you agree to share it. No one is forced to download a game. No one is forced to buy a Smart TV either. Failing to read the terms before agreeing doesn't mean someone else is being sneaky.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

You don't have to agree to anything.

You are not understanding what I am saying.

The ability to turn on these features without your permission is very real.

DemoniaD · Senior Member

And how exactly would they turn them on if you didn't have them to begin with? Because by having them, you are agreeing to their terms. You have invited the invasion of privacy in. No one is forcing people to download these apps. No one is forcing them to buy a Smart TV. What exactly am I missing?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Do you have a phone? Does it have Internet access? Or just a phone without it?

They can be turned on by someone other than you. A school got in some serious trouble because it was turning on its web cams on laptops the students had checked out. It can and is done.

Yes. You can just not have a phone or laptop or this particular t.v. But that is not the point. The point is, the ability to listen in and record private conversations in our homes is not only here but being used.

Ohfour · Hooker

DemoniaD wrote:
And how exactly would they turn them on if you didn't have them to begin with? Because by having them, you are agreeing to their terms. You have invited the invasion of privacy in. No one is forcing people to download these apps. No one is forcing them to buy a Smart TV. What exactly am I missing?

A friend from church is a counselor and was sued by a client. The client's husband filed for divorce and cited several things that the client had ONLY told the counselor. Come to find out, client's husband had put an app on her phone that would let him listen in at will. She now has a no cell phone policy.

and have you never heard of a virus? Yeah, cell phones can get them too. So you may download something and a virus can infect it. So you DON'T actually know what's on your phone at any given time. You would be naïve to think otherwise.

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