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Are genetically modified plants and animals safe to eat? [14 vote(s)]

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Poll: Scientists overwhelmingly think GMOs are safe to eat. The public doesn't.

Updated by Brad Plumer on January 29, 2015, 4:45 p.m. ET

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John Handy displays a handful of GMO (genetically modified organism) Roundup Ready soybeans brought in by a farmer to the Demeter grain elevator October 9, 2003 in South Beloit, Illinois (Scott Olson/Getty Images)

Scientists broadly agree that genetically modified foods are safe to eat. Much of the public does not.

That's one takeaway from this new Pew poll, which surveyed both the public and scientists with the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) on a wide variety of topics. Here's the GMO split:

(Pew Research Center)

In the survey, 88 percent of AAAS scientists agreed that GMOs are "generally safe" to eat. (Pew polled 3,748 scientists in a wide variety of fields, not just crop scientists with specific expertise here.) By contrast, only 37 percent of the public agreed that GMOs were safe.

For the record, the scientists' view is supported by multiple scientific panels that have investigated this issue and found that, yes, GMOs are safe to eat. But much of the public doesn't seem to be on board with these findings — two-thirds of respondents thought that scientists "do not have a clear understanding" of the health effects.

So what's going on here? One plausible explanation is that most people just don't know much about GMOs and aren't aware of what scientists think about them. Indeed, an earlier 2013 survey of Americans found that 54 percent of people knew little or nothing about genetically modified foods, while 25 percent said they'd never even heard of them.

There's also a fraction of people who have heard of GMOs — but don't trust the scientific majority here. Anti-GMO activists have been fairly successful at raising doubts about genetic engineering. And GMOs are often associated with large, unpopular corporations.

That all said, GMOs don't seem to be a pressing concern for most people, regardless of what the polls say. Americans eat GMOs every day without worrying too much about it — the vast majority of US corn is genetically modified, and more than 60 percent of processed foods in the grocery store contain GM ingredients. What's more, when voters in states like Colorado have considered initiatives to label GMOs, they've usually rejected them.

Why do scientists believe GMOs are safe to eat?

At this point, billions of people around the world have been eating GM foods for decades without any noticeable ill effects. And numerous scientific studies have concluded that the GM crops currently on the market pose no more of a health risk than conventional crops.

'The science is quite clear'

Here's what AAAS concluded in its 2012 statement: "The science is quite clear: crop improvement by the modern molecular techniques of biotechnology is safe." The European Commission agreed, after sifting through 25 years of research. So did the American Medical Association — although the latter is in favor of stricter pre-market safety testing.

The rough scientific argument goes like this: Traditional crop-breeding techniques have long altered the genes of plants and animals. That's a messy process. The risk of random mutations and unexpected outcomes has always been present. (To take one example, crop scientists often use radiation on seeds to induce mutations and improve the odds of getting desired traits.) Nevertheless, food produced by conventional breeding is broadly considered "safe."

So what most scientific advisory panels have concluded is that using genetic engineering techniques to alter plant DNA doesn't seem to be any riskier than using conventional breeding to alter plant DNA. It's more or less the same principle — genetic engineering is just faster and more precise:

(FDA)

To be sure, this view isn't universal. A minority of scientists still insist that more research is needed before GM foods can be considered 100% safe. After all, genetic engineering isn't exactly like traditional breeding and it may have downstream effects scientists haven't fully studied. For instance, in a dissent to that AAAS statement above, 21 researchers argued that increased herbicide use — which can occur with crops engineered to be resistant to Roundup — might have health effects we don't yet know about.

But that's a minority view, and it's basically an argument that there may be unknown unknowns lurking out there. For now, there's no evidence that the GM foods on the market pose any special threat. Which is why so many scientists tend to think they're "generally safe" to eat.

By the way, do note that we're only talking about the health effects of eating GM foods — that's what the Pew poll is about. But there are, of course, separate questions about, say, the environmental impacts of GM crops (such as Roundup-Ready crops that are resistant to herbicide). That's a much more complicated question, and there's not the same broad consensus on the answer. Here's an introductory overview.

The GMO "split" is bigger than the split on other issues

There was one other noteworthy aspect of the Pew poll: curiously enough, the public and AAAS' scientists were further apart on GMO safety than they were on any other science-related question.

For example, on global warming, 87 percent of the AAAS scientists agreed that humans were the main cause, whereas only 50 percent of the public did. That's a fairly big split. But it still wasn't as big as the split on GMOs:

(Pew Research Center)

So what's going on here? On Twitter, Matthew Nisbet pointed out that AAAS scientists are more ideologically liberal than the public at large. That might explain some of the gaps above. But belief in the safety of GMOs isn't a notably liberal cause. The gap there really stands out — and might just be due to the fact that so few people have even heard of GMOs.

Meanwhile, some of the questions in the poll are rather odd. Why ask scientists about offshore drilling? There's not really a straightforward "scientific" answer to that.

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How is GMO food different from regular food?

It might help to distinguish genetic engineering from traditional techniques for producing food.

Humans have been selectively breeding plants and animals for tens of thousands of years to get certain desired traits. Over time, for example, farmers (and scientists) have bred corn to become larger, to hold more kernels on an ear, and to flourish in different climates. That process has certainly altered corn's genes. But it's not usually considered "genetic engineering."

Genetic engineering, by contrast, involves the direct manipulation of DNA, and only really became possible in the 1970s. It often takes two different forms: There's"cisgenesis," which involves directly swapping genes between two organisms that could otherwise breed — say, from wheat to wheat. Or there's"transgenesis," which involves taking well-characterized genes from a different species (say, bacteria) and transplanting them into a crop (say, corn) to produce certain desired traits.

Ultimately, genetic engineering tries to accomplish the same goals as traditional breeding — create plants and animals with desired characteristics. But genetic engineering allows even more fine-tuning. It can be faster than traditional breeding and it allows engineers to transfer specific genes from one species to another. In theory, that allows for a much greater array of traits.

Here's a diagram from the Food and Drug Administration:

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Scientists are supposed to render scientific results. It isn't up to them to tell people how to live their lives. And, there is a lot of poor, crappy "science" going on right now as well. Science has been corrupted and people no longer trust it like they used too.

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I have yet to read a Peer Reviewed and approved study that GMOs are "bad". Most of the studies posted on anti-GMO sites are flawed or cherry picked or in some cases not even linked.

HOWEVER, I do believe that the GMO lobby is extremely well connected and was able to push through its plans before the studies were completed to the satisfaction of majority of the world. And I do believe that there needs to be more studies on the effects on the environment in a third hand manner (like third hand smoke.).

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Science is used selectively. Govt uses "data' that supports whatever they try to ram down our throats and ignores conflicting data. And, many scientists are just hacks of some special interest group that funds them to set up a "study" to show that whatever it is they are hawking or whatever point of view they want to push, they invent a study that supposedly supports that.

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I believe that we don't fully know how the GMO's are going to affect us. Just like the overuse of processed foods and wheat for fillers in EVERYTHING has now caused some new issues. Do I think that GMO's are the cause of all evil? No. Not enough research yet. And the research out there is not as valid as it should be. If you stand to gain something from the research you should not be doing it. The results won't be unbiased. It's important to look carefully at research. The doctor that came out with all the research claiming that vaccines cause Autism was later found to have faked ALL his research. He broke so many rules his license was permanently revoked. This is the basis of the research that people like Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy have based all their info on. So be careful what you believe in.

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I look at GMO's this way; who do you want to starve without GMO's to help feed the world?

Simple, bottom line.

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I think we need to do more research on how they effect the environment first. I am not concerned about eating them, I feel they have been proven to be safe. I would like to see more research on how the seeds and plants effect other seed and plants in neighboring fields for example. I don't want non-GMO plants to become extinct or get contaminated by the GMO stuff in case something happens with them and we need to go back to the non GMO stuff.

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What about irradiating meat? Seems like a good idea to me to get rid of Ecoli. I would rather eat that than eat Ecoli.

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I pretty much want my food the way nature made it. However, I'm aware that in some places that means people wouldn't have food. So, if you can have it naturally - get that, if you can't, it's better than no food.

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I pretty much want my food the way nature made it. However, I'm aware that in some places that means people wouldn't have food. So, if you can have it naturally - get that, if you can't, it's better than no food.


 Like the vitamin enriched rice? I think that is an amazing idea. For those that need it, like you said. Let us have regular rice.



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I pretty much want my food the way nature made it. However, I'm aware that in some places that means people wouldn't have food. So, if you can have it naturally - get that, if you can't, it's better than no food.


 Like the vitamin enriched rice? I think that is an amazing idea. For those that need it, like you said. Let us have regular rice.


 Well as long as it isn't white rice.  White rice is the inner part of rice.  Removed from its' outer skin (the skin has the nutrients).



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How many people here eat margarine?
It is one molecule away from being plastic. Bugs and animals will not eat it. But, humans do. Go figure.
We only use real butter here at our house. We always have a garden and I can as much as I can. I know most people can not do those things. But I see no problem with GMO's helping to feed the world.
If you eat margarine, GMO's shouldn't be a problem.
And, really, look at all the preservatives and additives in store bought food. IMHO, that's much worse for people.

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I don't particularly like rice.

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I don't particularly like rice.


Disguise it with a little brown sugar. biggrin 



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How many people here eat margarine?
It is one molecule away from being plastic. Bugs and animals will not eat it. But, humans do. Go figure.
We only use real butter here at our house. We always have a garden and I can as much as I can. I know most people can not do those things. But I see no problem with GMO's helping to feed the world.
If you eat margarine, GMO's shouldn't be a problem.
And, really, look at all the preservatives and additives in store bought food. IMHO, that's much worse for people.


 This.  People have no idea what they are really eating.



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The problem with GMO's is that they don't just stay where you plant them. The genetic modifications will migrate to plants in nearby fields. I personally don't think we should be genetically modifying anything. God and Mother Nature don't like it when you mess with their plans.

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The problem with GMO's is that they don't just stay where you plant them. The genetic modifications will migrate to plants in nearby fields. I personally don't think we should be genetically modifying anything. God and Mother Nature don't like it when you mess with their plans.


God and Mother Nature seem quite content for humans to have a 50% infant mortality rate, and for mass starvation to be a popular method of population control.

Add what are now treatable or preventable illnesses, and no one on this board would be here to keep you company. NO ONE.

 



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The problem with GMO's is that they don't just stay where you plant them. The genetic modifications will migrate to plants in nearby fields. I personally don't think we should be genetically modifying anything. God and Mother Nature don't like it when you mess with their plans.


God and Mother Nature seem quite content for humans to have a 50% infant mortality rate, and for mass starvation to be a popular method of population control.

Add what are now treatable or preventable illnesses, and no one on this board would be here to keep you company. NO ONE.

 


That's a bit of an overstatement, ed. no 



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The problem with GMO's is that they don't just stay where you plant them. The genetic modifications will migrate to plants in nearby fields. I personally don't think we should be genetically modifying anything. God and Mother Nature don't like it when you mess with their plans.


God and Mother Nature seem quite content for humans to have a 50% infant mortality rate, and for mass starvation to be a popular method of population control.

Add what are now treatable or preventable illnesses, and no one on this board would be here to keep you company. NO ONE.

 


That's a bit of an overstatement, ed. no 


 

How so? That's what life was like when my grandparents were born. Half the babies born alive didn't live long enough to reproduce.

Mass starvation occurred periodically. (Irish potato famine, North American Dust Bowl in the 1930's, etc.) 

The number one cause of death in wartime was INFECTION.

Most of the vaccines we now count on were developed in MY lifetime.

A LOT more women died in childbirth.

Maybe God's plan is / was that humans would become very smart, and figure out how to grow more food with a lot less farmers, how to beat those pesky killer diseases, and how to fly (without flapping the wings God didn't give us.)

 

But for thousands of years, Mother Nature and God were in charge as much as they chose to be ... and by today's standards it was pretty nasty.

 

 

 

 



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I don't know if GMO's are bad for us or good for us, but I know it's better to consume those than starving would be.

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I don't particularly like rice.


Disguise it with a little brown sugar. biggrin 


 Oooh, yuck.  If I do eat it, I like saffron rice. 



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And no margarine in our house. And no artificial sweeteners. I get you adults that choose to drink diet sodas for whatever reason, but I cringe like crazy when I see kids drinking it.

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And no margarine in our house. And no artificial sweeteners. I get you adults that choose to drink diet sodas for whatever reason, but I cringe like crazy when I see kids drinking it.


 We don't buy diet sodas either, same reason.



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Diet pop is gross! I drink Seltzer instead. Just like diet pop without the nasty and no calories.

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I don't drink soda at all and margarine has never been eaten in my house. It looks and smells awful and butter is so sweet and creamy I can't imagine why anyone would eat margarine instead. Yuck!

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It amazes me that people really do not know what they are eating.  no



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just Czech wrote:

It amazes me that people really do not know what they are eating.  no


 Yep.  They complain about GMO's and then eat a box of Hamburger Helper or Mac and Cheese.  Those box labels are interesting.



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