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‘Abortion should be mandatory for 30 years’ for ‘population control’: Famed gay activist (video)

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SYDNEY, November 6, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Women should be forced to abort their children for the next 30 years as a part of global population control, homosexual activist Dan Savage told Australian television on Monday.

Savage, whose anti-bullying program “It Gets Better” was heavily promoted by President Barack Obama, made the statement during a four-member panel during the “Festival of Dangerous Ideas.”

Audience member Lisa Malouf closed the program by asking, “Which so-called 'dangerous idea' do you each think would have the greatest potential to change the world for the better if it were implemented?”

After a moment's thought, Savage replied, “Population control. There's too many G-d d----ed people on the planet.”

“You know, I'm pro-choice, I believe that women should have a right to control their bodies,” he added. “Sometimes in my darker moments, I'm anti-choice. I think abortion should be mandatory for about 30 years.”

The audience responded with overwhelming applause at the suggestion that the world's women lose control of their fertility.

Savage did not indicate how many children, if any, females would be allowed to bear. The world's most restrictive population regime, China, has enforced a one-child policy since 1979 that has “prevented 400 million births,” according to the People's Daily. That number includes approximately 336 million abortions, most of them forced.

Although Savage has offered no denial, video footage made clear that he meant business.

“In retrospect, Savage might try to insist that he was only joking but there's no smile on his face and the point seems quite seriously made,” Tim Stanley of the London Telegraph wrote. He added that, because Savage spoke “about abortion, he'll probably be defended by radical pro-choicers. But what he's basically saying here is that women should be compelled to abort their children so that there are less people around to annoy Dan Savage.”

The statement was Savage's second about abortion in the hour-long ABC program. At one point he told fellow panelist Peter Hitchens, the pro-life Christian brother of the late Christopher Hitchens, “Forcing women to give birth against their will damages women.”

Hitchens answered Malouf's question by saying, “The most dangerous idea in human history and philosophy remains the belief that Jesus Christ was the Son of God and rose from the dead. And that is the most dangerous idea you will ever encounter.”

The divinity of Christ is so dangerous “because it alters the whole of human behavior and all our responsibilities,” Hitchens said. “It turns the universe from a meaningless chaos into a designed place in which there is justice and there is hope and, therefore, we all have a duty to discover the nature of that justice and work towards that hope.”

“It alters us all,” he said. “If we reject it, it alters us all was well.”

 

Savage has a long history of angry and over-the-top rhetoric. The gay rights activist said in 2011 he wished all Republicans were “f---ing dead.” Last May, he told a group of high school students the Bible is full of “bull----” and that Christian teenagers were “pansy ---ed” for walking out of his talk.

In 2000, Savage licked doorknobs and put pens in his mouth inside the headquarters of Gary Bauer's presidential campaign in the hopes of infecting the pro-family Republican leader.

Savage is not the only influential figure with ties to the White House to endorse mandatory abortion as a worthy national policy. Obama administration Science Czar John Holdren wrote in his 1978 book Ecoscience, “population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.”  



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He sounds like a nutcase to me.



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Unbelievable. This guy is so far out of it. Don't even start with freedom of speech in this case....

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He's jealous.

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How do such nut jobs get the media's attention?

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

How do such nut jobs get the media's attention?


Because they report sensationalism, not news. no



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How do such nut jobs get the media's attention?


Because they report sensationalism, not news. no


Yup, money is the bottom line. no 



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And this is the guy with the "it gets better" campaign that included Woody from Toy Story and other characters geared toward kids.

One says kill all babies for 30 years and the other says Jesus is bad.

I cant help but see a connection between the two comments.



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He's crazy.

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And I assure you, he doesn't speak for 99% of us who are concerned about choice.

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And I assure you, he doesn't speak for 99% of us who are concerned about choice.


 Make that 99.9%.

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And I assure you, he doesn't speak for 99% of us who are concerned about choice.


 Make that 99.9%.

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I know.

But this line of thinking is out there.

I don't think things like this should be ignored. It should spark real conversation.

At least that is my opinion.

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lilyofcourse wrote:

I know.

But this line of thinking is out there.

I don't think things like this should be ignored. It should spark real conversation.

At least that is my opinion.


 Well the opposite view would be the people who think abortion doctors should be murdered to prevent more abortions. There are extremists in every viewpoint. 



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I read up on this. He's an idiot. The only thing he did that, to me, was a big deal is he had the flu and licked all the pens and doorknobs to infect everyone else. I've been told this kind of thing is against the law and can land you into big trouble. Not sure how true that is but it's kind of a crappy thing to do. I hope he got some worse disease from licking everything.

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Wait, a TV show host asked for a controversial opinion, and now everyone is upset that he gave one? Seriously? Not an issue.

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I know.

But this line of thinking is out there.

I don't think things like this should be ignored. It should spark real conversation.

At least that is my opinion.


 Lily what should we have a conversation about?  Ideas for population control?  Abortion? Or ****ty questions being asked of ****ty people?  

I think MM is right, there are extremists on both sides.  This type of ridiculous statement is best ignored.

Also, I'm a fan of allowing nature to take its course with population control.  

As an aside, this is the guy that decided to give Santorum a filthy definition.  



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voiceofreason wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

I know.

But this line of thinking is out there.

I don't think things like this should be ignored. It should spark real conversation.

At least that is my opinion.


 Lily what should we have a conversation about?  Ideas for population control?  Abortion? Or ****ty questions being asked of ****ty people?  

I think MM is right, there are extremists on both sides.  This type of ridiculous statement is best ignored.

Also, I'm a fan of allowing nature to take its course with population control.  

As an aside, this is the guy that decided to give Santorum a filthy definition.  


 I have no idea. He's an idiot. What is there to discuss?

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He's always controversial. Always has been. If someone invites them on their show they are looking for controversy.

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voiceofreason wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

I know.

But this line of thinking is out there.

I don't think things like this should be ignored. It should spark real conversation.

At least that is my opinion.


 Lily what should we have a conversation about?  Ideas for population control?  Abortion? Or ****ty questions being asked of ****ty people?  

I think MM is right, there are extremists on both sides.  This type of ridiculous statement is best ignored.

Also, I'm a fan of allowing nature to take its course with population control.  

As an aside, this is the guy that decided to give Santorum a filthy definition.  


 Conversations about all of it.

Real conversations. Not shock and awe comments.

I don't really know how to pose the questions or start the conversations.

Yes. This guy is a loon.

And yes I see a connection between thinking Jesus is a bad thing and the abortion for everyone comments even though they were made by two separate people.

It left me speechless when I read it. It's one of those head scratcher things.

I still don't even know what to say.



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I don't think there's a strong correlation between abortion and atheism. I'm going to try and find percentages but I seem to remember there being none.

Do you think there's a correlation between criminals and atheism? Surprisingly, nearly 95% of prisoners identify as Christian.

The reason I bring this up is, simply believing that if one believes in Jesus, one wouldn't make life choices that include abortion or murder or rape, is a tenuous and unsupported position to take.

I don't believe for one minute that there's a correlation.   

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Here's one study, I can't verify how accurate it is.


What proportion of U.S. women obtaining abortions are religious?
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More than seven in 10 U.S. women obtaining an abortion report a religious affiliation (37% protestant, 28% Catholic and 7% other), and 25% attend religious services at least once a month.[38] The abortion rate for protestant women is 15 per 1,000 women, while Catholic women have a slightly higher rate, 22 per 1,000.[32]

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VOR, didn't you know how many people find god in prison? It's amazing! As far as the people claiming to be religious I believe the stats you posted. However, claiming to be religious and actually having any faith at all is different. When I go to the hospital and they ask me my religion I state Baptist. Why? Because they want an answer. I'm not sure I really fall into that category but that is how I was raised and still carry some of the beliefs. I believe when women have an abortion they are asked the same question JIC something happens. I think most people will state SOMETHING. Even if it's not really the truth.

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When I've been admitted to the hospital, I've either not been asked or if asked I say I'm "none". I probably fall into the "other" catagory.

Njn, do you really give an answer because they WANT one? I see you more as the raised eyebrow disapproving look type if someone asks a question you don't want to answer. Lol.

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Oh, and part of the intake questioning for prisoners is the question of religious affiliation. They probably state Christian as that is what they were raised.

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When I've been admitted to the hospital, I've either not been asked or if asked I say I'm "none". I probably fall into the "other" catagory.

Njn, do you really give an answer because they WANT one? I see you more as the raised eyebrow disapproving look type if someone asks a question you don't want to answer. Lol.


 I guess I never thought about it.  When I used to work in the hospital as a nurse it was a question we asked because, if things became critical, we knew what type of clergy to call to comfort the family if they wanted.  Usually there is someone on staff and you tell them that the family is Catholic, Baptist, Atheist or whatever.    That's the only reason they ask.  I think it's one of those questions that needs to come off those forms but no one has really challenged it.  Does anyone really need a clergy these days?  I mean most people who want them have them already and those that don't well don't.

I usually just answer Baptist.  I was raised Baptist and go to a loosely based Baptist women's group.  I figure if I die my husband can call whoever he wants.  I'll be dead anyway.



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Let me see if I can say this right.

I do think it is easier for one who doesn't believe in God to have less regard for life.

I don't mean that they don't value life, but that it is easier for one to mean more than the other.

To come up with excuses for things like abortion.

I know it is not all.

I don't know how to say it and it not sound bad.

I am not pointing fingers at anyone in particular. I am speaking in general.



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There is a vast difference between someone who identifies with a religion and someone who practices a religion, IMHO. That is the real question to talk about.

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There is a vast difference between someone who identifies with a religion and someone who practices a religion, IMHO. That is the real question to talk about.


 Exactly.  That's why, even though I believe those stats are accurate, they are not.  Identifying with something and practicing it are two different things.



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A quick Google search shows that states with the most religious population (measured in terms of church attendance) also have the highest rates of crime, STD transmission and teenage pregnancy.

Ststes with the lowest rates of church attendance have higher education attainment, and among the lowest rates of crime and teen pregnancy in the union.

I think that is what VoR is referring to, but I could be mistaken and I don't want to speak for her.

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A quick Google search shows that states with the most religious population (measured in terms of church attendance) also have the highest rates of crime, STD transmission and teenage pregnancy.

Ststes with the lowest rates of church attendance have higher education attainment, and among the lowest rates of crime and teen pregnancy in the union.

I think that is what VoR is referring to, but I could be mistaken and I don't want to speak for her.


 Yes.  I'm also saying that my regard for life has no bearing on my religious beliefs.  Actually, I'm much much more empathetic and aware of human suffering.  That may be due to age and  experience as opposed to changing my beliefs.

I think it's easy to disregard the actual statistics and claim they aren't "real" Christians.  This is the thing, one act doesn't disqualify you from being a Christian.  A murderer can still believe in Jesus.  A rapist can still believe in Jesus.  The original statement suggested a connection between those who BELIEVE in Jesus and those who were more likely to have an abortion.  I disagree.  



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I think I understand what you're saying VOR.

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A quick Google search shows that states with the most religious population (measured in terms of church attendance) also have the highest rates of crime, STD transmission and teenage pregnancy.

Ststes with the lowest rates of church attendance have higher education attainment, and among the lowest rates of crime and teen pregnancy in the union.

I think that is what VoR is referring to, but I could be mistaken and I don't want to speak for her.


 Yes.  I'm also saying that my regard for life has no bearing on my religious beliefs.  Actually, I'm much much more empathetic and aware of human suffering.  That may be due to age and  experience as opposed to changing my beliefs.

I think it's easy to disregard the actual statistics and claim they aren't "real" Christians.  This is the thing, one act doesn't disqualify you from being a Christian.  A murderer can still believe in Jesus.  A rapist can still believe in Jesus.  The original statement suggested a connection between those who BELIEVE in Jesus and those who were more likely to have an abortion.  I disagree.  


 Atheists are less likely to commit crimes, less likely to get divorced than Evangelicals, and also more likely to adhere to "family values" than the religious. 



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A quick Google search shows that states with the most religious population (measured in terms of church attendance) also have the highest rates of crime, STD transmission and teenage pregnancy.

Ststes with the lowest rates of church attendance have higher education attainment, and among the lowest rates of crime and teen pregnancy in the union.

I think that is what VoR is referring to, but I could be mistaken and I don't want to speak for her.


 Yes.  I'm also saying that my regard for life has no bearing on my religious beliefs.  Actually, I'm much much more empathetic and aware of human suffering.  That may be due to age and  experience as opposed to changing my beliefs.

I think it's easy to disregard the actual statistics and claim they aren't "real" Christians.  This is the thing, one act doesn't disqualify you from being a Christian.  A murderer can still believe in Jesus.  A rapist can still believe in Jesus.  The original statement suggested a connection between those who BELIEVE in Jesus and those who were more likely to have an abortion.  I disagree.  


 Atheists are less likely to commit crimes, less likely to get divorced than Evangelicals, and also more likely to adhere to "family values" than the religious. 


I looked at one of those studies, lol, done by an affirmed atheist/agnostic expert. Not an official study. Hmmm  Makes me think it's a bit slanted. no 



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There were also other studies done by universities. Keep reading.

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Oh, and AlterNet articles... Yeah, I'm going to run with that.  no



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There were also other studies done by universities. Keep reading.


Haven't found one yet that is reputable. 



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Lots of articles, but no real studies with numbers, statistics, variables and you know, stuff like that. Only articles, hmm.

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There were also other studies done by universities. Keep reading.


I worked for a company that had 140 papers written about their product, all by professors / doctors (of medicine) at major university hospitals.

Not one of them actually said anything, not one of them was worth the paper they were printed on.

To get something both real and useful, I had to find the right people and then manage it myself.

 



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The Psychology Today site wrote of an article by a Pitzer University professor for one.

My point is, if you look, the sources are there.

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And if we are going to discredit the atheist articles and studies because they were written by atheists, then we have to discount any and all pro-religion articles written by religious people. It would be only fair.



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And if we are going to discredit the atheist articles and studies because they were written by atheists, then we have to discount any and all pro-religion articles written by religious people. It would be only fair.


I agree.

If there are no official stats, numbers and true unbiased comparisons, then it is worthless.  IMHO



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And if we are going to discredit the atheist articles and studies because they were written by atheists, then we have to discount any and all pro-religion articles written by religious people. It would be only fair.


I agree.

If there are no official stats, numbers and true unbiased comparisons, then it is worthless.  IMHO


 The Psychology Today article links to the paper by the Pitzer University prof with all the stats and such that you could want. 



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Mellow Momma wrote:

And if we are going to discredit the atheist articles and studies because they were written by atheists, then we have to discount any and all pro-religion articles written by religious people. It would be only fair.


I agree.

If there are no official stats, numbers and true unbiased comparisons, then it is worthless.  IMHO


 The Psychology Today article links to the paper by the Pitzer University prof with all the stats and such that you could want. 


Is that the one from 2008 in Canada? 



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