TOTALLY GEEKED!

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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I could understand someone who has gone through a sex change. But this was a man. Not a woman. He just identifies himself a woman. And while it's wonderful to live in a PC world being naked in a locker room with a man would make a lot of women uncomfortable.

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 There are change rooms and private stalls.  There is plenty of privacy.  You can totally avoid being naked in front of a man.

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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This woman was repeatedly harassing another patron, and had zero intention of stopping. Yup, she got the boot, and I have no sympathy for her.

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Exactly! Maybe she should start her OWN gym...

flan 

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Why do the "comfort" rights of the Transgender trump others?

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In this instance, it was the decision of the business. Their philosophy is clearly stated.

flan 

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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That isn't the question I asked.

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flan

Lawyerlady wrote:

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"Planet Fitness is committed to creating a non-intimidating, welcoming environment for our members."

Except for women who don't want to share locker rooms with men.

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Find another gym.

flan 

lilyofcourse wrote:

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They would have had to worry about booting me. If they did nothing to remedy the situation I would have left on my own.

This letting the opposite sex into dressing rooms and bathrooms is going to become a major problem. When it does, I don't want to hear the "I had no idea" crap.

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 How? Why?

flan

Lawyerlady wrote:

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"Planet Fitness is committed to creating a non-intimidating, welcoming environment for our members."

Except for women who don't want to share locker rooms with men.

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I agree. Just like in schools, presence or absence of a penis has to determine which bathroom / locker room an individual uses.

They are clearly saying that this male should not be exposed to other penis-equipped humans, and the women should share facilities with HIM.

If  they want to accommodate him, give him a uni-sex changing room and bathroom. With its' own entry door, not through the women's area.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Because anyone can say they are anything. Some perv will take advantage and then you are sharing the locker room with Handy Andy and you can't do or say anything because all he has to do is claim "transgender" and he's still in there and you are the trouble maker.

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 Exactly.  Physiology matters.  Use the room for the body you were born with. 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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BTW - THIS is sexism against women. It says their feelings on the matter don't mean anything. **** you and your feelings - only the transgender people matter.

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This is definitely NOT sexism.

From the OP:

The women's locker room offers private changing stalls and includes bathroom stalls with doors.

flan 

flan327 wrote:

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Then if all the women leave the gym, they'll go out of business. Problem solved...

flan

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 One can hope.

flan327 wrote:

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For me, this is a refreshing change from the "I refuse to bake a wedding cake for homosexuals" threads.

flan

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 It's not even remotely the same thing.  But, yes, I can see how you would prefer discrimination against women than transgenders.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Transgender people are mentally ill - they need treatment, not enabling.

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Whatever floats your boat.

flan 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Tignanello wrote:

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Well, I don't think that it is a free for all. In reading PH's statement, they are looking for a sincere and heartfelt choice. While being gender-fluid might be heartfelt, the switching back and forth would cause disruptions and that person would likely be excluded from switching and would have to pick one. If someone is honoring the policy and not just being a PITA about it, they will hopefully stick to a choice.

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 Yes, it is.  Because according to their policy - it would be wrong to even ask.  This is RIPE for abuse.  It opens the doors for perverts to pretend to be transgendered.  It is absolutely a ridiculous over-doing for stupid political correctness.  And being politically correct about this should NOT even be an issue.  They have a penis - they are not women.  Your sex is not in your head, it's in your genitals.

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 And obviously many people disagree with you.

flan

Tignanello wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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I could understand someone who has gone through a sex change. But this was a man. Not a woman. He just identifies himself a woman. And while it's wonderful to live in a PC world being naked in a locker room with a man would make a lot of women uncomfortable.

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 There are change rooms and private stalls.  There is plenty of privacy.  You can totally avoid being naked in front of a man.

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 That's not what would bother me. It would be the "man" walking around totally naked in the women's locker room that would be a problem for me. Plenty of people walk around naked in locker rooms. Nothing stopping this "guy" from doing it.

I would be bothered if I saw an exposed peen on a naked "man" in a women's locker room.

Unfortunately the article didn't say whether he was walking around naked. It matters. If he is, I think she has a right to be bothered.

Blankie wrote:

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Tignanello wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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I could understand someone who has gone through a sex change. But this was a man. Not a woman. He just identifies himself a woman. And while it's wonderful to live in a PC world being naked in a locker room with a man would make a lot of women uncomfortable.

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 There are change rooms and private stalls.  There is plenty of privacy.  You can totally avoid being naked in front of a man.

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 That's not what would bother me. It would be the "man" walking around totally naked in the women's locker room that would be a problem for me. Plenty of people walk around naked in locker rooms. Nothing stopping this "guy" from doing it.

I would be bothered if I saw an exposed peen on a naked "man" in a women's locker room.

Unfortunately the article didn't say whether he was walking around naked. It matters. If he is, I think she has a right to be bothered.

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 He was not.  However, he also wasn't a member.  So, any guest can come in off the street and go in whatever locker room they feel like.  He even admits that he looks like a man.  Planet Fitness' policy is to use the dressing room that matches the way you are dressed.  WTF???

MIDLAND, MI -- A transgender woman who believes she was unknowingly at the center of a Planet Fitness policy controversy said she has only entered the Midland gym's locker room on two separate visits.

The Planet Fitness membership of Midland County resident Yvette Cormier was cancelled after the woman made complaints to fellow gym members over several days about a transgender woman using the locker room. Carlotta Sklodowska believes she is the transgender woman to whom Cormier was referring.

During separate trips to the gym, according to Sklodowska, she entered the women's locker room to hang up her coat and purse, and then to retrieve the items after her workout.

"I'm not actually a member," Sklodowska said. "I was there as a guest of one of my friends."

Carlotta Sklodowski is the woman's chosen name and it is the name she asks that others use when referring to her.

Sklodowska said she asked about the locker room policy regarding transgender individuals before entering the women's locker room.

"You use the locker room that corresponds with how you are dressed," she said the Planet Fitness employee told her.

Cormier has said the transgender woman she saw in the locker room "looked like a man" and was wearing men's clothing.

According to Sklodowska, she wore leggings and a baggy t-shirt during both trips to the gym. She said many people tell her she looks like a man, and she could see why Cormier would see her body structure as masculine.

"It's obvious, even from the back," Sklodowska said.

The Midland resident said she uses public bathrooms all the time and has never had any issues previously.

"No one has complained yet," she said.

Sklodowska said she did not observe anyone in the Planet Fitness locker room who looked distressed about her presence.

Friends told her about the news story circulating regarding Cormier and the locker room policy. That is when Sklodowska figured out that it was likely her to whom Cormier was referring, since she had visited Planet Fitness and is the only transgender woman she knows of in town.

"As far as I can tell, I am the only one in Midland," Sklodowska said.

In general, Sklodowska said she does not see Midland as a very welcoming community for a transgender woman. She has, though, found a group of friends who she said are very supportive.

"I have loads of friends around town," she said. "They are all straight ladies. We have wonderful times together."

Letting the public know she is a member of the Midland community is beneficial, Sklodowska said. That's why she was willing to come forward.

"It's in my best interest," she said.

In reference to Cormier's safety concerns, Sklodowska said she wants to make it clear that she is not looking to harm anyone.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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The current medical approach to treatment for persons diagnosed with gender identity disorder is to support the individual in physically modifying the body to better match the psychological gender identity. This approach is based on the concept that their experience is based in a medical problem correctable by various forms of medical intervention.

flan

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 Which is stupid b/c this leads to higher suicide rates.  It doesn't help - it makes it worse because they THOUGHT it would help and when it doesn't, they feel hopeless, and often kill themselves because of it. This approach is wrong and does not help.  Many people with sex re-assignment surgery are not happy, and would be better served with mental therapy than a drastic physical change.

But regardless - if the physical changes haven't been made, you are still the sex your genitals dictate.

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 According to YOU.

flan