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"Why are some Americans, people in the world, homophobic?" asks Henry Rollins.

He wants to know: "Why do they fear the gay? And why do they oppose, at least in America, so strongly, gay marriage, gay unions?"

Wait, people are still homophobic?

I know. It's hard for a lot of us to understand why anyone would be opposed to everyone having equal rights — and even worse, hateful of those who are "different."

But it's a fact. LGBTQ people are still fighting for the right to marry in 13 states and for equal treatment in general everywhere.

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Henry Rollins: The question. Why are some Americans, people in the world, homophobic? Why do they fear the gay? And why do they oppose, at least in America, so strongly, gay marriage, gay unions?

I am not convinced that that many people really have a problem with gay marriage. I think there are some people absolutely hate and fear the gay and are very opposed to the gay marriage.

I think it has become a consistent and dependable fundraiser. To where if every homosexual person in America said, "Okay, we're awful. We have a bad lifestyle and we'll slither under the rock that we should be living under and we'll never ask to be married again, so we'll just take our queer asses and scuttle back into the slimy shadows where we belong, with the slugs," they would lose a major fundraising tool. And people on the right would go, "No, no, no! Come back, queer want to get married guy. We need you in the Bible Belt. We need you in South Carolina, Arkansas, Florida, Texas to raise the bucks, 'cause Islamophobia only goes so far. But hating the gay? That one always runs. That one always performs." So you'll always have that up for debate.

What makes people fear the gay and gay marriage? It's because you're giving these people equality. And that's the biggest fear that people with power have, that you'll get some too. People who get married, to me, the whole contract is completely insane. I live in the state of California. If I married some nice gal and we got divorced, by law, does she get half of my record collection? Oh, no way. She might, after I get done with a chainsaw. But she's not getting my Ramones first pressing. Oh no no. She's not getting my Bob Ludwig mastered version of Houses the Holy. I think not. She can go on eBay and overpay like I did for her own copy. So marriage for me is, I love to go to weddings, but I don't want to be married.

But if two people are crazy enough to be that in love with each other, damn, that's a great thing. Give them a break. Life's really short. Let them have a little happiness. There's two men. They're married. They're in a house. The house, I don't know, doesn't smell any different, doesn't look any different. The lawn looks fantastic. But if you don't want a gay marriage, then don't have one. Same thing with abortion. No woman wants to have an abortion, but they've got to have the right to have one safely, your opinion does not matter here.

And so in America, in this century, there's going to be gay marriage. It's going to be okay in more than half of the United States. But we used to have slaves, so that's why we have amendments to the constitution, so it has wiggle room. I think gay marriage is already covered under the first amendment. So I think this conversation's over, to where there shouldn't be anything against the law about two men or women getting married. It always breaks down to a religious thing. And they'll tell you, "Well no. They have all the equality they need." Okay, are you one of those radical Christians? "Well I am. That has nothing to do with it." It kind of does, a lot. And so that's it basically. You have ignorance. And you have hatred.

What a lot of these people don't understand is they are surrounded by the gay. They've got gays in their family at Thanksgiving. I went to an all boys school. And I had gay bosses as a kid growing up. I lived in Washington, D.C. which is just, it's a lot of gay people. My mom had gay friends. I got it. I understood it. I never feared it. My boss in high school at the movie theater was this amazing man of Portuguese descent with incredible hair who's a fantastic, old school character actor, old school queen. His name was Bob. On Saturday nights, he reverted to Roberta. I'd go, "Roberta?" "Yes." And I spent high school with this guy, every Saturday night at the movie theater. We had the best time.

And if my uptight friends from my suburban prep school could have seen who I was hanging out with, I don't know what they would have thought. So I had no problem the gay. But it also gave me good gaydar. And in high school, we all hit ninth and tenth grade, whatever. I realized, we have at least two gay teachers, and I've got gay peers. There's gay students. One guy's kind of like, a mini Dick Cheney, he's keeping it to himself. One guy was like, yeah you're gay and you're okay with it. You know, he's keeping it to himself.

And there was this one poor guy who was gay right now. And he hit tenth or eleventh grade and, hello September! And I was like, "No, no!" because I just saw what was going to happen to him. And we had some really bad teachers there. And one teacher would make fun of him, made fun of his name and turned it into an anti-gay slur. So that teacher basically greenlighted him, if you know the term, basically greenlighted the guy. It's a death warrant. Once a teacher can do that, that means you can do that. This is not good leadership. The teacher should have never, as an adult with a bunch of stupid high school students, me being one of them, should have never okayed that. And by the end of the school day, this guy had his head put in the toilet. He was a dorm kid. We had a dorm at the school for post-grads and kids who lived far from home. And he got teased enough to where he locked himself in his room and tried to kill himself by slashing his wrists. Thankfully, he did not succeed. But at Christmas break he left. He never came back. His name was never mentioned in the school again. Ever. Not by any teacher, ever. He never happened.

And that politicized me. That made me anti-homophobe. I don't know how you say it, but gay rights to me, it's civil rights. And when I see racism which I encounter, having it being done to me as a kid from the '60s in Washington, D.C., when I see homophobia, it's that straw that breaks the camel's back, and I'm the camel. I go hard against it. Real hard. Real loud. Real flagrantly. Real right now.

And so what you combat in America is a lot of undereducated people who have some idea that Christianity's about "beat up on the gay." A lot of people just like to hate. And a gay person, even though you're surrounded by them, as I tell my audiences at a show, "Dig it. There was gay cave men. Get your head around that. There was big hairy men from millions of years ago going, "Hey. Let's, you know. Let's go hit the bushes and see what's up." Gay pirates, gay samurai, gay everything. And that's how it is.

Why some people can't absorb and accept and deal with that information, it's too bad. I believe things are getting better. I think homophobia is an endangered species in America. As long as I'm around, it is. And I know I'm not the only person pushing against it.

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What makes people fear the gay and gay marriage? It's because you're giving these people equality. And that's the biggest fear that people with power have, that you'll get some too.
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The article's premise that disagreeing with something equates to fear and hatred makes the article nothing but idiocy.

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Lawyerlady wrote:

The article's premise that disagreeing with something equates to fear and hatred makes the article nothing but idiocy.

I'm trying to see it from the author's point of view.

Hated for something you have no control over? no

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You have no control over who you have sex with or marry? Gosh, I didn't know that!

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That's just stupid.

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Ohfour wrote:

You have no control over who you have sex with or marry? Gosh, I didn't know that!

Do you think L/G people could choose to go straight? 

Telling them that they are making a choice to be what they are

might not be "hate" in some people's vocabulary,

but telling them to go straight or completely abstain, or go to Hell

is certainly nasty bullying (IMHO).

 



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ed11563 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:

You have no control over who you have sex with or marry? Gosh, I didn't know that!

Do you think L/G people could choose to go straight? 

Telling them that they are making a choice to be what they are

might not be "hate" in some people's vocabulary,

but telling them to go straight or completely abstain, or go to Hell

is certainly nasty bullying (IMHO).

 

Exactly, you opinion.  I don't mince words and saying I "hate" someone because of the choices they make is ridiculous.   



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Things ARE changing.

For the better...

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Not agreeing with someone doesn't mean you HATE them. I don't agree with homosexuality and I think it's a sin, but there are still many gay people I love dearly...

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ed11563 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:

You have no control over who you have sex with or marry? Gosh, I didn't know that!

Do you think L/G people could choose to go straight? 

Telling them that they are making a choice to be what they are

might not be "hate" in some people's vocabulary,

but telling them to go straight or completely abstain, or go to Hell

is certainly nasty bullying (IMHO).

 

 I think if God is the focus in your life, you will choose to live according to his teachings, or at least attempt to.  You will acknowledge your sins when you fail, and you will try to do better.  You will not simply say - I am what I am and that is perfectly fine.  No Christian should ever say that about any of thier sins - they should be attempting to please God.  And every human has struggles with sin - homosexuality is not special. 



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Ohfour wrote:

Not agreeing with someone doesn't mean you HATE them. I don't agree with homosexuality and I think it's a sin, but there are still many gay people I love dearly...

 Exactly.  I don't hate homosexuals.  But that doesn't mean I support their choices. 

I'm not going to hate my kid if they decide to move in with their boyfriend at 22, but I'm sure as hell not going to approve of it.  Does that mean I'll cut them out of my life?  No.  Just like if one ends up pregnant at 16 - I will help them, but I'm not going to pretend it's a great life choice.

Giving in to your sin is a choice.  Being gay is not a sin - acting on those feelings is. 



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Not agreeing with someone doesn't mean you HATE them. I don't agree with homosexuality and I think it's a sin, but there are still many gay people I love dearly...

 Exactly.  I don't hate homosexuals.  But that doesn't mean I support their choices. 

I'm not going to hate my kid if they decide to move in with their boyfriend at 22, but I'm sure as hell not going to approve of it.  Does that mean I'll cut them out of my life?  No.  Just like if one ends up pregnant at 16 - I will help them, but I'm not going to pretend it's a great life choice.

Giving in to your sin is a choice.  Being gay is not a sin - acting on those feelings is. 

Let me see if I understand. 

God made an individual have strong sexual feelings for people of his/her same gender.

God wants that person to abstain from sex for all of his/her life. That's God's plan.



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Not agreeing with someone doesn't mean you HATE them. I don't agree with homosexuality and I think it's a sin, but there are still many gay people I love dearly...

 Exactly.  I don't hate homosexuals.  But that doesn't mean I support their choices. 

I'm not going to hate my kid if they decide to move in with their boyfriend at 22, but I'm sure as hell not going to approve of it.  Does that mean I'll cut them out of my life?  No.  Just like if one ends up pregnant at 16 - I will help them, but I'm not going to pretend it's a great life choice.

Giving in to your sin is a choice.  Being gay is not a sin - acting on those feelings is. 

Let me see if I understand. 

God made an individual have strong sexual feelings for people of his/her same gender.

God wants that person to abstain from sex for all of his/her life. That's God's plan.

 God made people - people have feelings.  Teenagers lust like the dickens, having sex is still a sin. 

God wants you to worship him above all else.  If sex is a distraction from that - then absolutely, YES.  You don't need sex to live. 



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ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
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Not agreeing with someone doesn't mean you HATE them. I don't agree with homosexuality and I think it's a sin, but there are still many gay people I love dearly...

 Exactly.  I don't hate homosexuals.  But that doesn't mean I support their choices. 

I'm not going to hate my kid if they decide to move in with their boyfriend at 22, but I'm sure as hell not going to approve of it.  Does that mean I'll cut them out of my life?  No.  Just like if one ends up pregnant at 16 - I will help them, but I'm not going to pretend it's a great life choice.

Giving in to your sin is a choice.  Being gay is not a sin - acting on those feelings is. 

Let me see if I understand. 

God made an individual have strong sexual feelings for people of his/her same gender.

God wants that person to abstain from sex for all of his/her life. That's God's plan.

Are you second guessing God's plans? 



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ed11563 wrote:
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Ohfour wrote:

Not agreeing with someone doesn't mean you HATE them. I don't agree with homosexuality and I think it's a sin, but there are still many gay people I love dearly...

 Exactly.  I don't hate homosexuals.  But that doesn't mean I support their choices. 

I'm not going to hate my kid if they decide to move in with their boyfriend at 22, but I'm sure as hell not going to approve of it.  Does that mean I'll cut them out of my life?  No.  Just like if one ends up pregnant at 16 - I will help them, but I'm not going to pretend it's a great life choice.

Giving in to your sin is a choice.  Being gay is not a sin - acting on those feelings is. 

Let me see if I understand. 

God made an individual have strong sexual feelings for people of his/her same gender.

God wants that person to abstain from sex for all of his/her life. That's God's plan.

God made all sorts of people.  He made people that want to eat other people, He made people that like to have sex with children.  He made people that are born with addiction.  What's your point?



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ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:

Not agreeing with someone doesn't mean you HATE them. I don't agree with homosexuality and I think it's a sin, but there are still many gay people I love dearly...

 Exactly.  I don't hate homosexuals.  But that doesn't mean I support their choices. 

I'm not going to hate my kid if they decide to move in with their boyfriend at 22, but I'm sure as hell not going to approve of it.  Does that mean I'll cut them out of my life?  No.  Just like if one ends up pregnant at 16 - I will help them, but I'm not going to pretend it's a great life choice.

Giving in to your sin is a choice.  Being gay is not a sin - acting on those feelings is. 

Let me see if I understand. 

God made an individual have strong sexual feelings for people of his/her same gender.

God wants that person to abstain from sex for all of his/her life. That's God's plan.

Are you second guessing God's plans? 

 God's plan is that we all get salvation and join him in heaven.  Your sex life is not even an iota of God's plan.



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Since you are second guessing God's plans, what about birth defects, epilepsy, mental disabilities, accidents, etc?
Please, do not give me that cRap.... God's plans are for each individual to live for him first. IMHO, everyone has a disability in one form or another and we all have to live with those disabilities and the CHOICES we make due to those disabilities. Our focus should still remain on God and living our lives a HE intended, not for how YOU intended.
NOTE, I said we ALL have disabilities.
This article is a load of cRap.

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I just want to know where this idea that sex is the most important thing the in world comes from?

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Lawyerlady wrote:

I just want to know where this idea that sex is the most important thing the in world comes from?

 Propagation of the species.

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Tell the guy that started the homophobe thread.

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I just want to know where this idea that sex is the most important thing the in world comes from?

 Propagation of the species.

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 Which has NOTHING to do with homosexuality.



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And really, we have more than enough people right now.

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Isn't it funny that the liberals are always the ones that start the gay threads. It's like they WANT this to be an issue, when really, it's not something I think about often...

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Isn't it funny that the liberals are always the ones that start the gay threads. It's like they WANT this to be an issue, when really, it's not something I think about often...

 Yep.  Seriously, for everyday life, this is really a non-issue.  I certainly don't go around asking people if they are gay and chastising them. 



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I've said it before. Ex is homophobic. He HATES gay people. He HATES anything that might be a gay symbol. He wouldn't be caught dead in a pink or purple man's shirt. When DD was a baby he refused to carry her diaper bag, ever. It was gray. He also would refuse to hold my purse. Even for 2 seconds.

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You know, my whole issue with Christianity stems from the concept of a God that created life for no other reason than to worship him.
I mean, really? If a mother said she had kids so that she would have someone to worship her we would think she was nuts.
It's insane. And yes, I reject the notion that humanity only exists to worship a jealous God that would so test and torment his creations.

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I've said it before. Ex is homophobic. He HATES gay people. He HATES anything that might be a gay symbol. He wouldn't be caught dead in a pink or purple man's shirt. When DD was a baby he refused to carry her diaper bag, ever. It was gray. He also would refuse to hold my purse. Even for 2 seconds.

Is he still in the closet? Sounds like he still won't admit it  to himself... 

 



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You know, my whole issue with Christianity stems from the concept of a God that created life for no other reason than to worship him.
I mean, really? If a mother said she had kids so that she would have someone to worship her we would think she was nuts.
It's insane. And yes, I reject the notion that humanity only exists to worship a jealous God that would so test and torment his creations.

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I've said it before. Ex is homophobic. He HATES gay people. He HATES anything that might be a gay symbol. He wouldn't be caught dead in a pink or purple man's shirt. When DD was a baby he refused to carry her diaper bag, ever. It was gray. He also would refuse to hold my purse. Even for 2 seconds.

Is he still in the closet? Sounds like he still won't admit it  to himself... 

 

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You know, my whole issue with Christianity stems from the concept of a God that created life for no other reason than to worship him.
I mean, really? If a mother said she had kids so that she would have someone to worship her we would think she was nuts.
It's insane. And yes, I reject the notion that humanity only exists to worship a jealous God that would so test and torment his creations.

 God does not do that.  Satan does and people do.  You are blaming the wrong person.  God is about love.  He loved everyone so much that he sacrificed his son for our sins because they can't resist the temptations Satan puts in front of them.  He has made it very simple for people to get into heaven. 



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Children born with terminal, painful birth defect? Cancer? AIDS? All those nasty, painful illnesses are created by the devil instead of your all powerful l knowing God? Riiiight.
You want to give God credit for all the good in the world and none of the bad, have at it.
But honestly, what is he point of creating sentient beings with free will if you only want them to do one thing, and intend to punish them with Hell for not doing it? I mean, why even bother in the first place?

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Children born with terminal, painful birth defect? Cancer? AIDS? All those nasty, painful illnesses are created by the devil instead of your all powerful l knowing God? Riiiight.
You want to give God credit for all the good in the world and none of the bad, have at it.
But honestly, what is he point of creating sentient beings with free will if you only want them to do one thing, and intend to punish them with Hell for not doing it? I mean, why even bother in the first place?

 All those nasty things are created by PEOPLE.  Do you know what we do to ourselves?  AIDS came from unnatural contact with chimpanzees, and then spreading it around.  Cancers are more prevalent around toxic sites, and people cause those.  People voluntarily put poison in their body everyday in the form of artificial sweeteners and yet it's God's fault when you or your children are not healthy.

Why do you blame God?  He gives people free will.  The decisions of you, your grandparents, everybody, has an impact on our world and our bodies. 

 

And let me ask you this - if you had children and they turned their back on you, said you didn't exist, cursed you, and denied you and lived their life doing everything you abhor, would you let them live in your house?



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Children born with terminal, painful birth defect? Cancer? AIDS? All those nasty, painful illnesses are created by the devil instead of your all powerful l knowing God? Riiiight.
You want to give God credit for all the good in the world and none of the bad, have at it.
But honestly, what is he point of creating sentient beings with free will if you only want them to do one thing, and intend to punish them with Hell for not doing it? I mean, why even bother in the first place?

 Very well said!



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Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

Children born with terminal, painful birth defect? Cancer? AIDS? All those nasty, painful illnesses are created by the devil instead of yotu ur all powerful l knowing God? Riiiight.
You want to give God credit for all the good in the world and none of the bad, have at it.
But honestly, what is he point of creating sentient beings with free will if you only want them to do one thing, and intend to punish them with Hell for not doing it? I mean, why even bother in the first place?

 All those nasty things are created by PEOPLE.  Do you know what we do to ourselves?  AIDS came from unnatural contact with chimpanzees, and then spreading it around.  Cancers are more prevalent around toxic sites, and people cause those.  People voluntarily put poison in their body everyday in the form of artificial sweeteners and yet it's God's fault when you or your children are not healthy.

Why do you blame God?  He gives people free will.  The decisions of you, your grandparents, everybody, has an impact on our world and our bodies. 

 

And let me ask you this - if you had children and they turned their back on you, said you didn't exist, cursed you, and denied you and lived their life doing everything you abhor, would you let them live in your house?



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 18th of March 2015 04:36:40 PM

 Of course not-- but if the only reason I had kids was for them to wait on me and do whatever I said and to agree with me in all things, well,  I would be the only one surprised when they spurned me.



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Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

Children born with terminal, painful birth defect? Cancer? AIDS? All those nasty, painful illnesses are created by the devil instead of your all powerful l knowing God? Riiiight.
You want to give God credit for all the good in the world and none of the bad, have at it.
But honestly, what is he point of creating sentient beings with free will if you only want them to do one thing, and intend to punish them with Hell for not doing it? I mean, why even bother in the first place?

 All those nasty things are created by PEOPLE.  Do you know what we do to ourselves?  AIDS came from unnatural contact with chimpanzees, and then spreading it around.  Cancers are more prevalent around toxic sites, and people cause those.  People voluntarily put poison in their body everyday in the form of artificial sweeteners and yet it's God's fault when you or your children are not healthy.

Why do you blame God?  He gives people free will.  The decisions of you, your grandparents, everybody, has an impact on our world and our bodies. 

 

And let me ask you this - if you had children and they turned their back on you, said you didn't exist, cursed you, and denied you and lived their life doing everything you abhor, would you let them live in your house?



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 18th of March 2015 04:36:40 PM

Ahh, AIDS was spread to humans by eating the chimpanzee meat, not by have sex with them. An urban myth, LL. Otherwise, you are right on. 



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just Czech wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

Children born with terminal, painful birth defect? Cancer? AIDS? All those nasty, painful illnesses are created by the devil instead of your all powerful l knowing God? Riiiight.
You want to give God credit for all the good in the world and none of the bad, have at it.
But honestly, what is he point of creating sentient beings with free will if you only want them to do one thing, and intend to punish them with Hell for not doing it? I mean, why even bother in the first place?

 All those nasty things are created by PEOPLE.  Do you know what we do to ourselves?  AIDS came from unnatural contact with chimpanzees, and then spreading it around.  Cancers are more prevalent around toxic sites, and people cause those.  People voluntarily put poison in their body everyday in the form of artificial sweeteners and yet it's God's fault when you or your children are not healthy.

Why do you blame God?  He gives people free will.  The decisions of you, your grandparents, everybody, has an impact on our world and our bodies. 

 

And let me ask you this - if you had children and they turned their back on you, said you didn't exist, cursed you, and denied you and lived their life doing everything you abhor, would you let them live in your house?



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 18th of March 2015 04:36:40 PM

Ahh, AIDS was spread to humans by eating the chimpanzee meat, not by have sex with them. An urban myth, LL. Otherwise, you are right on. 

 Which is unnatural and gross.  How can you eat a species so close?  Ugg - it's almost like canibalism.  But, how the first person got it is unknonw.  But it was then spread by sex. 



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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

Children born with terminal, painful birth defect? Cancer? AIDS? All those nasty, painful illnesses are created by the devil instead of yotu ur all powerful l knowing God? Riiiight.
You want to give God credit for all the good in the world and none of the bad, have at it.
But honestly, what is he point of creating sentient beings with free will if you only want them to do one thing, and intend to punish them with Hell for not doing it? I mean, why even bother in the first place?

 All those nasty things are created by PEOPLE.  Do you know what we do to ourselves?  AIDS came from unnatural contact with chimpanzees, and then spreading it around.  Cancers are more prevalent around toxic sites, and people cause those.  People voluntarily put poison in their body everyday in the form of artificial sweeteners and yet it's God's fault when you or your children are not healthy.

Why do you blame God?  He gives people free will.  The decisions of you, your grandparents, everybody, has an impact on our world and our bodies. 

 

And let me ask you this - if you had children and they turned their back on you, said you didn't exist, cursed you, and denied you and lived their life doing everything you abhor, would you let them live in your house?



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 18th of March 2015 04:36:40 PM

 Of course not-- but if the only reason I had kids was for them to wait on me and do whatever I said and to agree with me in all things, well,  I would be the only one surprised when they spurned me.

You seem to be unaware of all that God has done for us. no

He created the world and everything in it for us. He gave his only son for US. Yeah, a little obedience is not much to expect.  



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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

Children born with terminal, painful birth defect? Cancer? AIDS? All those nasty, painful illnesses are created by the devil instead of yotu ur all powerful l knowing God? Riiiight.
You want to give God credit for all the good in the world and none of the bad, have at it.
But honestly, what is he point of creating sentient beings with free will if you only want them to do one thing, and intend to punish them with Hell for not doing it? I mean, why even bother in the first place?

 All those nasty things are created by PEOPLE.  Do you know what we do to ourselves?  AIDS came from unnatural contact with chimpanzees, and then spreading it around.  Cancers are more prevalent around toxic sites, and people cause those.  People voluntarily put poison in their body everyday in the form of artificial sweeteners and yet it's God's fault when you or your children are not healthy.

Why do you blame God?  He gives people free will.  The decisions of you, your grandparents, everybody, has an impact on our world and our bodies. 

 

And let me ask you this - if you had children and they turned their back on you, said you didn't exist, cursed you, and denied you and lived their life doing everything you abhor, would you let them live in your house?



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 18th of March 2015 04:36:40 PM

 Of course not-- but if the only reason I had kids was for them to wait on me and do whatever I said and to agree with me in all things, well,  I would be the only one surprised when they spurned me.

 Have you read the Bible?  Got created Adam and Eve and gave them dominion over everything in paradise.  They didn't have to work, they didn't have to do anything at all except live in peace and be happy.   They had one rule.  ONE.   How many rules does your house have? 



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Lawyerlady wrote:
just Czech wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

Children born with terminal, painful birth defect? Cancer? AIDS? All those nasty, painful illnesses are created by the devil instead of your all powerful l knowing God? Riiiight.
You want to give God credit for all the good in the world and none of the bad, have at it.
But honestly, what is he point of creating sentient beings with free will if you only want them to do one thing, and intend to punish them with Hell for not doing it? I mean, why even bother in the first place?

 All those nasty things are created by PEOPLE.  Do you know what we do to ourselves?  AIDS came from unnatural contact with chimpanzees, and then spreading it around.  Cancers are more prevalent around toxic sites, and people cause those.  People voluntarily put poison in their body everyday in the form of artificial sweeteners and yet it's God's fault when you or your children are not healthy.

Why do you blame God?  He gives people free will.  The decisions of you, your grandparents, everybody, has an impact on our world and our bodies. 

 

And let me ask you this - if you had children and they turned their back on you, said you didn't exist, cursed you, and denied you and lived their life doing everything you abhor, would you let them live in your house?



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 18th of March 2015 04:36:40 PM

Ahh, AIDS was spread to humans by eating the chimpanzee meat, not by have sex with them. An urban myth, LL. Otherwise, you are right on. 

 Which is unnatural and gross.  How can you eat a species so close?  Ugg - it's almost like canibalism.  But, how the first person got it is unknonw.  But it was then spread by sex. 

97% of our DNA is shared with worms...

Sex between humans, not animals. 



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just Czech wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

Children born with terminal, painful birth defect? Cancer? AIDS? All those nasty, painful illnesses are created by the devil instead of yotu ur all powerful l knowing God? Riiiight.
You want to give God credit for all the good in the world and none of the bad, have at it.
But honestly, what is he point of creating sentient beings with free will if you only want them to do one thing, and intend to punish them with Hell for not doing it? I mean, why even bother in the first place?

 All those nasty things are created by PEOPLE.  Do you know what we do to ourselves?  AIDS came from unnatural contact with chimpanzees, and then spreading it around.  Cancers are more prevalent around toxic sites, and people cause those.  People voluntarily put poison in their body everyday in the form of artificial sweeteners and yet it's God's fault when you or your children are not healthy.

Why do you blame God?  He gives people free will.  The decisions of you, your grandparents, everybody, has an impact on our world and our bodies. 

 

And let me ask you this - if you had children and they turned their back on you, said you didn't exist, cursed you, and denied you and lived their life doing everything you abhor, would you let them live in your house?



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 18th of March 2015 04:36:40 PM

 Of course not-- but if the only reason I had kids was for them to wait on me and do whatever I said and to agree with me in all things, well,  I would be the only one surprised when they spurned me.

You seem to be unaware of all that God has done for us. no

He created the world and everything in it for us. He gave his only son for US. Yeah, a little obedience is not much to expect.  

 Seriously.  People are pretty ungrateful.  Without God, we would't even exist.  We wouldn't have everything around us.  We wouldn't have the miracles that people pray for. 

So, people want to blame God for all the bad and not give credit for the good? 



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just Czech wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
just Czech wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

Children born with terminal, painful birth defect? Cancer? AIDS? All those nasty, painful illnesses are created by the devil instead of your all powerful l knowing God? Riiiight.
You want to give God credit for all the good in the world and none of the bad, have at it.
But honestly, what is he point of creating sentient beings with free will if you only want them to do one thing, and intend to punish them with Hell for not doing it? I mean, why even bother in the first place?

 All those nasty things are created by PEOPLE.  Do you know what we do to ourselves?  AIDS came from unnatural contact with chimpanzees, and then spreading it around.  Cancers are more prevalent around toxic sites, and people cause those.  People voluntarily put poison in their body everyday in the form of artificial sweeteners and yet it's God's fault when you or your children are not healthy.

Why do you blame God?  He gives people free will.  The decisions of you, your grandparents, everybody, has an impact on our world and our bodies. 

 

And let me ask you this - if you had children and they turned their back on you, said you didn't exist, cursed you, and denied you and lived their life doing everything you abhor, would you let them live in your house?



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 18th of March 2015 04:36:40 PM

Ahh, AIDS was spread to humans by eating the chimpanzee meat, not by have sex with them. An urban myth, LL. Otherwise, you are right on. 

 Which is unnatural and gross.  How can you eat a species so close?  Ugg - it's almost like canibalism.  But, how the first person got it is unknonw.  But it was then spread by sex. 

97% of our DNA is shared with worms...

Sex between humans, not animals. 

 Yes, I know.

And we don't eat worms, either.  At least I hope not.  Gross.



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And where does God say you have to wait on him? He says you have to believe in him, and in his son. That's IT.

Such a tough parent.

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And this is what so many forget. You can still sin and get into heaven. But those of you who choose to hate or turn from God and deny him because you don't like his rules or want to blame him for all the evil people cause, those are the ones not getting into heaven.

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Lawyerlady wrote:
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Lawyerlady wrote:
just Czech wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

Children born with terminal, painful birth defect? Cancer? AIDS? All those nasty, painful illnesses are created by the devil instead of your all powerful l knowing God? Riiiight.
You want to give God credit for all the good in the world and none of the bad, have at it.
But honestly, what is he point of creating sentient beings with free will if you only want them to do one thing, and intend to punish them with Hell for not doing it? I mean, why even bother in the first place?

 All those nasty things are created by PEOPLE.  Do you know what we do to ourselves?  AIDS came from unnatural contact with chimpanzees, and then spreading it around.  Cancers are more prevalent around toxic sites, and people cause those.  People voluntarily put poison in their body everyday in the form of artificial sweeteners and yet it's God's fault when you or your children are not healthy.

Why do you blame God?  He gives people free will.  The decisions of you, your grandparents, everybody, has an impact on our world and our bodies. 

 

And let me ask you this - if you had children and they turned their back on you, said you didn't exist, cursed you, and denied you and lived their life doing everything you abhor, would you let them live in your house?



-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 18th of March 2015 04:36:40 PM

Ahh, AIDS was spread to humans by eating the chimpanzee meat, not by have sex with them. An urban myth, LL. Otherwise, you are right on. 

 Which is unnatural and gross.  How can you eat a species so close?  Ugg - it's almost like canibalism.  But, how the first person got it is unknonw.  But it was then spread by sex. 

97% of our DNA is shared with worms...

Sex between humans, not animals. 

 Yes, I know.

And we don't eat worms, either.  At least I hope not.  Gross.

We eat bacon. 98% of our DNA matches. wink 



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