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How an Antibiotic Can Make You Pregnant

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One recent morning, a 17-year-old college freshman was brought into the ER by ambulance. He was feeling weak and confused and had a dark purple rash and a fever. Christel, the registered nurse who first examined the teenager, quickly surmised that he might have a life-threatening infection, so she called the lab and told the staff there to expect a sample of spinal fluid (the best way to diagnose the illness she suspected). Meanwhile, she asked a colleague to draw blood while she started an IV line and paged me to come to the exam room to perform a spinal tap. Christel was right. The young man had neisseria meningitidis—a bacterial infection that causes meningitis and is well known to be fatal within 24 hours.

Because meningitis is so deadly and contagious, we needed to treat the staff who had close contact with the patient once he was admitted to intensive care. Most of the staff who treated him had no drug allergies or contraindications, so each of them was able to take just one tablet of the powerful antibiotic ciprofloxacin (Cipro). Christel, however, had several allergies. For that reason, her only choice was to take a two-day regimen of rifampin (Rifadin), an antibiotic that is used mainly to treat tuberculosis but also prevents meningitis. Rifampin is famous for turning one’s urine and tears red or purple, which is harmless unless you wear soft contact lenses. Like some antibiotics, it has also been shown to interact with literally hundreds of medications. All the hospital staff who treated the patient got complete instructions about the disease we were trying to prevent and the medication that was going to be given to protect them.

 

Fortunately, no one who cared for the patient got ill, and according to the college the young man attended, there were no further cases of the disease. However, about a month later, Christel pulled me aside. “Can rifampin change a woman’s menstrual cycle?” she asked. When I said that it can—because it can decrease the effectiveness of oral contraceptives—I could see Christel’s eyes open wide. “I better take a pregnancy test!” she said. As it turns out, she was indeed pregnant and admitted that she had been careless about the potential drug interaction. Eight months later, she and her husband welcomed a healthy baby boy to their family.

LESSON LEARNED: The use of antibiotics can be tricky. There are more significant side effects and interactions with these drugs than perhaps with any other medication. Diarrhea is a risk for anyone taking virtually any antibiotic. But other surprises include violent vomiting if you mix the antibiotic Flagyl with alcohol, and people using ciprofloxacin can suffer ruptured tendons. Not all doctors agree that all antibiotics have an effect on oral contraceptives, but rifampin has been clearly shown to make the Pill less effective. To be safe, I tell women who are taking a course of antibiotics that is 15 days or less to continue taking their contraceptives to avoid irregular periods—but to not trust the contraceptives for birth control for 28 days, which is one full menstrual cycle. This will virtually eliminate the chance of any obstetrical surprises!

Source: Richard O'Brien, MD, is an associate professor of emergency medicine at The Commonwealth Medical College of Pennsylvania in Scranton. He is also a spokesperson for the American College of Emergency Physicians, ACEP.org, and a recipient of the group's Communications Lifetime Achievement Award. Please send comments and suggestions for future columns to Dr. O'Brien in care of Bottom Line/Health, Box 10702, Stamford, CT 06904-0702...or via e-mail at OBrien@BottomLineHealth.com.


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This might be a little misleading. Ladies, you still would need a sperm donor. smile



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Worst headline ever. Not to mention you are always counseled about this type of stuff by the pharmacist and pills come with these warnings. Do you really think the adults on this board really need this info?

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I've known about antibiotics and birth control for at least 30 years.

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Worst headline ever. Not to mention you are always counseled about this type of stuff by the pharmacist and pills come with these warnings. Do you really think the adults on this board really need this info?


Are you saying that I shouldn't waste your time by posting things that might be helpful to someone else? 

 

Apparently, "Christel, the registered nurse who first examined the teenager" didn't think of it, or didn't know it, until she was pregnant.



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I've known about antibiotics and birth control for at least 30 years.


 Yep, it is relevant, because maybe WE don't need the info for ourselves, but can warn offspring.  I remember when FDIL was taking an antibiotic for something or other, and DS came home on leave.  I knew she took oral contraception, and knowing that they might be intimate (might?  lol!) I took my son aside and quietly recommended that he use backup protection.



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Yep, I always pass that info onto the young ladies I know.

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I've known about antibiotics and birth control for at least 30 years.


 Yep, it is relevant, because maybe WE don't need the info for ourselves, but can warn offspring.  I remember when FDIL was taking an antibiotic for something or other, and DS came home on leave.  I knew she took oral contraception, and knowing that they might be intimate (might?  lol!) I took my son aside and quietly recommended that he use backup protection.


 Exactly, JPT!

Not every young person knows that.

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Got the information from both my doctor and pharmacist 25 years ago. Daughter got the same information from her doctor and pharmacist and me.

It's been on the news, tv talk shows, magazine ads and on the information pack it comes in. And there is a bright orange sticker on the side that warns of it each time it is refilled.

A person would have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not know this.


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Got the information from both my doctor and pharmacist 25 years ago. Daughter got the same information from her doctor and pharmacist and me.

It's been on the news, tv talk shows, magazine ads and on the information pack it comes in. And there is a bright orange sticker on the side that warns of it each time it is refilled.

A person would have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not know this.


 Gee thanks Lily!

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Got the information from both my doctor and pharmacist 25 years ago. Daughter got the same information from her doctor and pharmacist and me.

It's been on the news, tv talk shows, magazine ads and on the information pack it comes in. And there is a bright orange sticker on the side that warns of it each time it is refilled.

A person would have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not know this.


You might be surprised at the number of people who just don't pay attention. 

 

 



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lilyofcourse wrote:

Got the information from both my doctor and pharmacist 25 years ago. Daughter got the same information from her doctor and pharmacist and me.

It's been on the news, tv talk shows, magazine ads and on the information pack it comes in. And there is a bright orange sticker on the side that warns of it each time it is refilled.

A person would have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not know this.


You might be surprised at the number of people who just don't pay attention. 

 

 


 ESPECIALLY teens!

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Let's not forget they also cause yeast infections!

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If your pharmacist isn't telling you this when you get your antibiotic - they are not doing their job.

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If your pharmacist isn't telling you this when you get your antibiotic - they are not doing their job.


   And if you aren't listening that's your problem.



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Maybe someone else picks up the prescription?

And I don't see how a PSA hurts.

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-- Edited by flan327 on Friday 20th of March 2015 01:46:35 PM

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It doesn't hurt. But if he wants to provide useful information for this board, maybe he should look for articles that relate to age and demographics of the board.

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I don't care that he posts it, but what can't people say "duh"?

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I really think people need to take more responsibility for their health. I know this is the unpopular view but seriously, I have NEVER had a doctor that wrote me a prescription I had never been on before that didn't sit down and explain in detail what to look for when using the drug. Even when I have taken it before they will "remind" you what the side effects are. Sometimes both the doctor AND the nurse. So, if you have a doctor that is not telling you these things, and not asking their nurse to tell you, you need to find a new doctor and that's on YOU. I would not go to a doctor that didn't tell me what to look for. Some side effects, while scary if you aren't expecting them, are quite normal. For example, orthostatic hypertension. Which is when you stand up quickly you get really really dizzy and light headed. It's a common side effect of many drugs but if you don't know that you could get very scared if it happened every time you stood up. Once I was on an antibiotic that, if it wasn't working right, caused massive bruising. One morning I woke up and found bruises all over my body. Tons of them. I didn't get bruised in my sleep. I knew right away to go see the doctor. Take responsibility for your own health. Ask questions. If a doctor doesn't tell you then ask! It's YOUR body and YOUR health. Why do people put it all off on everyone else?

And don't tell me what doctors should and shouldn't do. For every doctor that graduated in the top half of his class there's another that graduated in the bottom half. Remind me, who's that doctor that was on the very bottom of the grading scale? Oh yeah, he's a doctor.

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ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

Got the information from both my doctor and pharmacist 25 years ago. Daughter got the same information from her doctor and pharmacist and me.

It's been on the news, tv talk shows, magazine ads and on the information pack it comes in. And there is a bright orange sticker on the side that warns of it each time it is refilled.

A person would have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not know this.


You might be surprised at the number of people who just don't pay attention. 

 

 


 So your posting it here is going to make a difference? 

I highly doubt any of the ladies on this board needs this reminder. 

 

Now, if you have articles on how to stop hot flashes and mood swings or something more relavent then great!



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Let's not forget they also cause yeast infections!


 And weight gain! 

I put on 25 pounds the first two months I started taking oral BC. 

I swear ear I could walk past a pastry and 5 pounds would just jump on. 

 



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Did I miss the memo regarding "no PSA posts allowed if every single member of the board doesn't approve of or like the info"?

Geez, click into another thread if you can't use the info - easy peasy. evileye



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Um, there ARE a few spunky young things on here! *I* certainly have no use for menopause info, or the proper solution in which to soak dentures, but I won't complain if Ed decides to indulge you!
Oh, and no, not all doctors will mention that sort of thing. I stepped on a nail at seventeen, and had to be on antibiotics. The doctor chatted about how it would make me sleepy, and I should take it with food, etc,etc, but he never asked me if I was on birth control, never mentioned it could interfere with it. I didn't think to ask, because how would I have known to?
As chance would have it, I was bopping around the internet, and chanced across an article like this. . .
And sure enough, when I examined the bottle more closely, the info was there, written sideways in small letters. (It was a small bottle, and most of the space was taken up with warnings about taking with food and not driving.)
So, thank you Ed. You never know who will be reading this, and you never know who might need it.

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Thanks Dona, I'm a little surprised about the responses ed is getting. I actually just recently learned about the antibiotics thing, so I guess I've had my deaf blind and dumb head under a rock.

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ED Good PSA. I find it astounding how younger folks don't know about the impact on oral contraceptives that anti biotics have, It is so well known that it is almost common sense. This info is like saying don't chew on lead paint. given the responses, I guess it needed to be stated again.

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Thank you, my younger friends.

 

 



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Dona, I would think at 17 a doctor may not discuss BC if a parent is in the room. Don't know if you had a parent present or not. If your doctor didn't I'd find a new one. As a nurse, I've never in my life heard of an antibiotic making you sleepy. I even did some research on this and all I could find was some antibiotics MAY make you dizzy. That does not sound like accurate information. Also, the pharmacist should have told you. So apparently they were all remiss.

Does anyone read the labels on the bottles or the package inserts? I take daily meds and every month when I pick them up there is an information sheet in the prescription that details the side effects at length. It's usually two pages long on everything. I can't believe it's always someone else's responsibility to inform you, general you, about what you are ingesting. If my doctor didn't tell me anything about the meds they gave me (after I found a new one) I would at least read the package insert. I would not take something that I did not know what the side effects are. You can chastise me if you want but what happened to personal responsibility? It's your body. Don't blindly put just anything in it.

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Nope I don't read that crap. I need my meds regardless, so I have to deal with the side effects no matter what.

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I would suspect that someone that needs meds regularly would already know the side effects and wouldn't need to read it each month. My point is if you've never taken it before and no one tells you anything about it then there are ways to find out. ALL medicine has the capacity to cause side effects. Every single one. I won't take something new without finding out. And yes, I take some stuff every day and when I go get the meds I just throw the inserts away. I ALREADY know the side effects.

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I guess I just don't get it. Over on the homeopathic thread the same people here arguing that you have no way of knowing this are saying that you shouldn't take anything without finding out what's in it. So you shouldn't take any homeopathic remedies without investigation but you should just blindly take a prescription without knowing? Makes perfect sense.

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I don't get it either. That's one thing I have always made sure to know about. What me medicine will do and not do that is.

I'm a woman and what I do with my body is my responsibility. All of it. I can't afford to leave it up to someone else.

You need to read your labels and info packs on meds for all possible interactions.

Can't believe intelligent women would blindly take medicine.

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My mother wasn't in the room, but it was a younger pediatrician that seemed unsure of what to do with a teen. He kept talking me like I was four.
My mother picked up the meds from the pharmacy, so I don't know what the pharmacist said or didn't say.
I am sure it was some form of antibiotic, but now that you mention it, antibiotics don't usually make people sleepy. But mine did, and it said so. It was for a nasty infection I got in my foot after stepping on a nail in the barn wearing my old ratty sneakers. My foot was miserable for days.

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Also, I don't ever remember getting an insert of any kind with my meds. Usuay, the bottle is just covered with teeny tiny print of varying colors and sizes. And angles. (Because sideways is best way!)
Not sure who designed them. But those little bottles are the dumbest thing ever.

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Nope I don't read that crap. I need my meds regardless, so I have to deal with the side effects no matter what.


I love you SO much!!!

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My friend has a baby from not knowing about this. The doc in the Urgent Care didn't mention it (even when she told him what other meds she was on) and her husband picked up the Rx and the pharmacist didn't mention it to him. The bottle didn't have a warning sticker on it that mentioned BC. It might have been somewhere in the 2 page pamphlet - but she was really really sick with a high fever and just took it and went to bed. A few days later she felt well enough to make Emma. Not all antibiotics have this effect - lots are safe to take with BC. She just had no idea this one wasn't. She was pretty ticked off at first.

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Well then Ed needs to find something all the meds that can lower the effectiveness of BC.

My body my health until it comes to medicine and then it becomes everyone else's responsibility.

I just don't get that mentality. Knowing what my meds can and can not interact with has actually saved my life. I can imagine taking a med with out knowing this important information.



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lilyofcourse wrote:

Got the information from both my doctor and pharmacist 25 years ago. Daughter got the same information from her doctor and pharmacist and me.

It's been on the news, tv talk shows, magazine ads and on the information pack it comes in. And there is a bright orange sticker on the side that warns of it each time it is refilled.

A person would have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not know this.


You might be surprised at the number of people who just don't pay attention. 

 

 


 So your posting it here is going to make a difference? 

I highly doubt any of the ladies on this board needs this reminder. 

 

Now, if you have articles on how to stop hot flashes and mood swings or something more relavent then great!


 It's unnecessary to rag on ed for this. If you're not interested, don't read it. If just one person happens to read this thread and gets helped by this, then it's worth it.

 



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lilyofcourse wrote:

Got the information from both my doctor and pharmacist 25 years ago. Daughter got the same information from her doctor and pharmacist and me.

It's been on the news, tv talk shows, magazine ads and on the information pack it comes in. And there is a bright orange sticker on the side that warns of it each time it is refilled.

A person would have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not know this.


You might be surprised at the number of people who just don't pay attention. 

 

 


 So your posting it here is going to make a difference? 

I highly doubt any of the ladies on this board needs this reminder. 

 

Now, if you have articles on how to stop hot flashes and mood swings or something more relavent then great!


 It's unnecessary to rag on ed for this. If you're not interested, don't read it. If just one person happens to read this thread and gets helped by this, then it's worth it.

 


 I agree with you. Not sure why people feel the need to jump all over Ed recently. But I find it in extremely poor taste to b!tch at someone who is trying to be helpful. 

Sure we all have the right to post whatever we want. But purposefully telling someome their posts are unhelpful and stupid is just mean for the sake of being mean. 



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I guess I'm wondering why if these same people who didn't pay attention to a nurse, doctor, OR pharmacist would now pay attention to a message board?

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It isn't the PSA. It's the volume of PSAs recalls and FDA articles that becomes cumbersome.

And you know what. It's a public message board. Anything posted is fair game. Yes. He can post whatever he wants. And others can respond how ever they want.

You don't like what I have to say about it? I don't give a flip.

And you can post about my posts all you want. My opinion is just as valid as any one else's.



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Who DIDNT know this? Geez.

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I guess I'm wondering why if these same people who didn't pay attention to a nurse, doctor, OR pharmacist would now pay attention to a message board?


 No kidding. 



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SS has a little half sister because her doctor TOLD SS's mom this could happen but she didn't think it would happen to her. I really wish I had an eye rolling icon.

When she told DH she was pregnant he said, "Didn't the doctor tell you about antibiotics and BC?" She said, "Sure but I didn't think it would happen to ME!"

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Who DIDNT know this? Geez.


 Apparently a lot of people. 



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Oh, and I haven't "jumped all over ed". I'm simply discussing an article HE posted. I didn't know we weren't allowed to do that anymore. I guess we're just all supposed to applaud ed and not discuss articles he posts for discussion purposes.

And he DOES post a ton of these PSA's. It's his right to post them. But it's also other people's right to say they are excessive.

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And quite frankly, I don't care what ed posts. I will say I despise that he uses shock value titles. He does this routinely. This was one of them. Antibiotics don't cause you to become pregnant. Sex does. If you are taking an antibiotic and not having sex you are NOT going to get pregnant. Title it honestly. Another one was about Abilify. My son is on it and the title of that article was some shock thing that said Abilify being recalled for causing horrible damage blah blah blah. When you opened it up it was only the INJECTABLE Abilify. Nothing else. A simple title of Injectable Abilify being recalled would have been sufficient. Even Vette said she took Abilify. Luckily we had been to the doctor just that day and he is EXTREMELY up to date on things. He hadn't mentioned anything of the sort. So yeah, post all the PSA's you want. Just don't try to make them more than they are.

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If you follow the links to the original articles, you will see that the authors created those titles.

 

If you look back at the beginning of THIS thread, you will probably find the first comment, from me, is ..

"This might be a little misleading. Ladies, you still would need a sperm donor. smile"

 



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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

I guess I'm wondering why if these same people who didn't pay attention to a nurse, doctor, OR pharmacist would now pay attention to a message board?


Something I learned selling to doctors and nurses, is 

Repetition can be very important.

 

Many times, I've repeated the same thing to the same customer 18 times, and they weren't interested or wouldn't listen.

Then the 19th time, before I say anything, the clinician will say, "Ed, I thought of something ..." and repeat it back to me.

They like it, now that it's their own idea.

 



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Southern_Belle wrote:

I've known about antibiotics and birth control for at least 30 years.


Exactly! That's what I was thinking...  "old news." 

I also agree with NJN, people need to be responsible for their own health and BE AWARE of what the meds they are taking might do. I think the attitude that I have to take them anyway so I don't bother to read the drug info is very irresponsible. Yes, you may need to take them. But it is important to know what they may interact with, what may render them less effective, what serious side effects to be aware of...

I've been on my medications for a while, so I don't read the info with every refill, but periodically I DO review that 2-3 pages of print that comes with because I want to be sure  they're doing the best they can for me.



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ladyloonatic wrote:
Southern_Belle wrote:

I've known about antibiotics and birth control for at least 30 years.


Exactly! That's what I was thinking...  "old news." 

I also agree with NJN, people need to be responsible for their own health and BE AWARE of what the meds they are taking might do. I think the attitude that I have to take them anyway so I don't bother to read the drug info is very irresponsible. Yes, you may need to take them. But it is important to know what they may interact with, what may render them less effective, what serious side effects to be aware of...

I've been on my medications for a while, so I don't read the info with every refill, but periodically I DO review that 2-3 pages of print that comes with because I want to be sure  they're doing the best they can for me.



-- Edited by ladyloonatic on Saturday 21st of March 2015 08:53:50 PM


 Thank you ladyloon.  I go to several doctors and I know at each and every one they go over my current meds and allergies each time.  First the nurse takes them and reviews them and makes changes.  Then the doctor verifies them.  Even at the doc in the boxes we have gone to they asked about our meds.  If your doctor is not giving you drug info you need to be asking the following questions...  And yes, this is on you.  What does this drug do/is it for?  When I should expect results?  If a doctor says you should feel better after two days and after two weeks you're not feeling better you need to be following up.  What are the side effects of this drug?  What does an allergic reaction look like?  Does this drug interact with anything else?  Food or drugs?  Some meds can't be taken with green leafy veggies, antacids, or with grapefruit juice.  Some meds lower the potentiality of other drugs.  Of course, if you are on a drug for several years you don't need to ask every single time.  That's silly.  But if you start taking a new med you need to be asking if it interacts with anything you already take.  And yes, if you need meds you need to take them.  But make yourself aware.



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