When Mary Kay Letourneau Fualaau was forced to go public in 1997 with an affair she was having with her former sixth grade student, Vili Fualaau, after she became pregnant with his child, it was the teacher-student sex scandal heard around the world.
At the time, Mary was a 34-year-old, married teacher in Seattle, who already had four children of her own. Vili was just 13 years old. Mary was arrested and served seven and a half years in prison.
Today, Mary is 53 and Vili is 31. The couple is still together and are about to celebrate their 10th wedding anniversary. The two daughters they have together are now teenagers -- older than Vili was when the affair started.
Mary and Vili sat down for an exclusive interview with Barbara Walters to talk about how they managed to stay together all these years, despite their very public and forbidden relationship.
“If it wasn't strong enough in the beginning, it wouldn't have carried through those years,” Mary told Walters.
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PHOTO: In an exclusive interview with Barbara Walters, Mary Kay Letourneau Fualaau and Vili Fualaau sit down together on the eve of their 10th wedding anniversary.
This interview is a part of Barbara Walters' upcoming new series, "American Scandal," on Investigation Discovery, which revisits some of her most famous interviews.
During the interview, Mary described how her and Vili's relationship moved from emotional to sexual when he was in middle school. When she was his teacher, she began to spend more and more time with Vili to help him develop what she thought was a gift for drawing. By the end of the school year, she said the two had bonded. By summer, they started having an affair.
"The incident was a late night that it didn't stop with a kiss," Mary said. "And I thought that it would and it didn't."
When asked if she felt guilty or disgusted with herself for having the affair, Mary said, "I loved him very much, and I kind of thought, 'why can't it ever just be a kiss?'"
By the end of summer 1996, Mary was pregnant with Vili's child, their first daughter. Shortly after the new year in 1997, Mary's husband discovered a love letter Mary had written. The authorities were alerted, and Mary was arrested.
The story of the Seattle teacher-student sex scandal caught wide national attention. She gave birth to her and Vili’s first child, Audrey, on May 29, 1997. Three months later, Mary pleaded guilty to two counts of second-degree child rape. On Friday, Nov. 14, 1997, she was sentenced to 89 months in prison.
Mary was paroled after serving six months on the condition that she stay away from Vili and attend counseling sessions for sex offenders. But within a month of being paroled, she was back in prison for ignoring the court order and her sentence was reinstated. While on parole, Mary became pregnant again with Vili's child and gave birth to a second daughter, Georgia, behind bars on October 16, 1998. Mary's husband then filed for divorce and moved their four children to Alaska.
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PHOTO: Former grade school teacher Mary Kay LeTourneau, who had an affair with a 13-year-old boy, and had his baby, has her handcuffs removed at the start of a hearing in Seattle, Feb. 6, 1998.
For Vili, the journey to get where he is today has not been easy. He said he battled depression over the years.
“I’m surprised I’m still alive today,” Vili said. “I went through a really dark time.”
Vili grew up impoverished without a father and had a tumultuous relationship with his mother. When his affair with Mary began, and after she became pregnant with his child, Vili said he felt that he had no support system to help him through it.
“It was a huge change in my life, for sure,” he said. “I don’t feel like I had the right support, the right help behind me ... from my family, from anyone, in general. I mean, my friends couldn't help me because they had no idea what it was like to be a parent, I mean, because we were all 14, 15.”
Vili said he had counseling sessions, but even then he struggled because he said counselors wanted him to take antidepressant medication to "even him out."
“I don’t even think the counselors knew how to deal with it. It was just weird,” he said. “I was like, ‘Why do I need to be on an antidepressant pill?’ And they said it was to level you out so they can have a conversation with you. ... It just kind of just really annoyed me through the years.”
Vili was forbidden from visiting Mary in prison, but he said it would have helped him if he had been able to talk to her during that time.
“I think the only person that I really ... needed to talk to-- I mean, if they gave me more options or choices to make instead of just saying, ‘Oh, you can’t talk to her anymore,’ and I was like, ‘I really do want to talk to her, though,’” Vili said.
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PHOTO: Mary Kay Letourneau and Villi Fualaau pose, April 9, 2005, in their home in the Puget Sound area of Seattle.
Mary was released from prison in August 2004, and the couple was married 10 months later in a lavish ceremony at a winery in Washington state. Vili was 21 years old.
"It was a huge relief to actually get married... [after] just going through all those years and then having so many questions and them not being answered," he said.
Mary and Vili have stayed in the same Seattle community where Mary had lived with her first husband. When she and Vili got married, Mary said they didn’t move because they wanted to focus on "getting on track with life.” Through all of this, Mary said her four children from her previous marriage have remained part of their family.
“All of our holidays were always together,” she said. “And they're very close with their sisters.”
But for Vili, who is only about a year and a half older than Mary’s oldest son, it has been more difficult.
“It's an awkward feeling, for sure, to be close in age with someone technically your stepson or stepdaughter,” he said.
Today, Vili works at a home and garden center, but his passion is working his night job as a DJ. His DJ name is “DJ Headline.”
"I do a lot of weddings, private parties," he said. "Eventually, I want to get into producing."
Mary is working as a legal assistant but hopes she can return to teaching. Her teaching license was revoked during the scandal, but she has now started tutoring and giving piano lessons. She is still registered as a sex offender, but is trying to get her name removed from the registry.
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PHOTO: Mary Kay Letourneau Fualaau and Vili Fualaau are seen here with their two teenage daughters, Audrey and Georgia.
Their two teenage girls, who are in the same school district where Mary used to teach, said their parents have told them how they met, and they knew their mother was different from others when their interaction was limited to prison visits. But the girls seem unfazed by the controversial circumstances of how their family was formed.
“There was never a sit-down chat: ‘Now is the time we're going to talk to our children about this,” Mary said. “They seemed to already know ... because they grew up with it. ... There's just never been a, ‘Wow, we better explain.’”
Audrey graduates from high school this coming June, and will attend community college in the fall. Georgia is a sophomore and a cheerleader. Both sing in their high school choir. Their parents are very protective, and Vili said he has warned his daughters against having boyfriends.
“The reason for me telling them that was just from, out of experience,” he said. “A relationship could lead to something that you think you wanted back then. You don't really want it, maybe, years later.”
If either of their girls did what they did, if they came home one day and said they were sleeping with their teacher, both Mary and Vili said they would be shocked and upset.
“I don't support younger kids being married or having a relationship with someone older,” Vili said. “I don't support it.”
They were both born while she was in prison. I feel he is with her because he never known anything else. He was a child from a unstable home and he saw her as a adult who cared about him and took advantage of his adolescent hormones.
They were both born while she was in prison. I feel he is with her because he never known anything else. He was a child from a unstable home and he saw her as a adult who cared about him and took advantage of his adolescent hormones.
Yeah, I saw that.
He talks about being depressed & not knowing where to turn, so maybe this is better than being a drug addict or gang member?
“The reason for me telling them that was just from, out of experience,” he said. “A relationship could lead to something that you think you wanted back then. You don't really want it, maybe, years later.”
If either of their girls did what they did, if they came home one day and said they were sleeping with their teacher, both Mary and Vili said they would be shocked and upset.
“I don't support younger kids being married or having a relationship with someone older,” Vili said. “I don't support it.”
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It doesn't sound like he is all that happy. Sounds like he has regrets.
“The reason for me telling them that was just from, out of experience,” he said. “A relationship could lead to something that you think you wanted back then. You don't really want it, maybe, years later.”
If either of their girls did what they did, if they came home one day and said they were sleeping with their teacher, both Mary and Vili said they would be shocked and upset.
“I don't support younger kids being married or having a relationship with someone older,” Vili said. “I don't support it.” _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
It doesn't sound like he is all that happy. Sounds like he has regrets.
She is repugnant. A pedophile.
I agree. She is disgusting. And he doesn't sound like he would make the same choices again. Sad for all involved.
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“The reason for me telling them that was just from, out of experience,” he said. “A relationship could lead to something that you think you wanted back then. You don't really want it, maybe, years later.”
If either of their girls did what they did, if they came home one day and said they were sleeping with their teacher, both Mary and Vili said they would be shocked and upset.
“I don't support younger kids being married or having a relationship with someone older,” Vili said. “I don't support it.” _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
It doesn't sound like he is all that happy. Sounds like he has regrets.
She is repugnant. A pedophile.
I agree. She is disgusting. And he doesn't sound like he would make the same choices again. Sad for all involved.
I agree with all the above. It would be interesting to see what happens after the girls are grown and out on their own. He may just be with her because he wants his daughters to have a stable life. I would say this for him, he wants better for his girls and cares deeply for them.
Its ridiculous that women sex offenders aren't treated the same as men. If the genders were reversed people would be looking at this much differently.
I totally agree with this. He is a victim, not a husband-lover. It's a shame that he disregarded the many offers to get some medication to stabilize his moods, or else maybe he would have leveled out enough to imderstand what was happening to him and get some resources together to pick his life up and start over.
If this was a 13 year old girl molested by a male teacher, or a same sex scenario, there would be no doubt that the teacher was a pedophile.
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Pawpaw was 15 and mawmaw was 22 when they married.
I don't know how long they had dated before they married.
Grandma was 14 and grandpa was 26 when they married.
This age difference thing is not new.
Gross? Yeah.
But after this long together, they must be doing something right.
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I know a couple 30years apart in age. He held her when she as a baby.
They have been married almost 10 years and have 3 kids.
All I am saying is people need to start actually listening to what the "victims" are saying instead of automatic charges.
There are millions of people who marry another who is way younger.
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It's not necessarily the age difference that is the issue, it's the fact that he was a minor in the extreme. My bf is 17 years older than me but we started dating when I was 25 not 13.
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Was it a bad day?
Or was it a bad five minutes that you milked all day?
I had a relationship with a much younger man when I was in my 30s. He was 19. Not a 13 year old but he was a lot younger.
All I am saying is that this long after the fact, they are in this relationship by choice. His choice.
So why poo poo it?
It started wrong but it has lasted longer than a lot of our relationships.
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There is something really off with a 34 year old woman even being attracted to a 13 year old boy. What the? What would they have in common to even talk about? His other classmates? There's something really wrong here when a 34 year old wants to spend her life with a 13 year old. Wasn't she already married?
There is something really off with a 34 year old woman even being attracted to a 13 year old boy. What the? What would they have in common to even talk about? His other classmates? There's something really wrong here when a 34 year old wants to spend her life with a 13 year old. Wasn't she already married?
Yes with kids just slightly younger than him. Sick puppy.
I had a relationship with a much younger man when I was in my 30s. He was 19. Not a 13 year old but he was a lot younger.
All I am saying is that this long after the fact, they are in this relationship by choice. His choice.
So why poo poo it?
It started wrong but it has lasted longer than a lot of our relationships.
But was it his choice? When you are groomed from such a young age I think your ability to make those choices for your self are greatly affected. The state, his parents, everyone did a horrible job of protecting him from a predator.
Pawpaw was 15 and mawmaw was 22 when they married.
I don't know how long they had dated before they married.
Grandma was 14 and grandpa was 26 when they married.
This age difference thing is not new.
Gross? Yeah.
But after this long together, they must be doing something right.
A different time and I believe kids back then were a lot more mature and 15 is different then 12/13 and someone old enough to be his mother.
My great great grandma married her rapist when she was a young teenager too. Wasn't ok then, still not ok now. Just because things happened and no one died or people learned to make the best of a bad situation doesn't make it a great idea.
I had a relationship with a much younger man when I was in my 30s. He was 19. Not a 13 year old but he was a lot younger.
All I am saying is that this long after the fact, they are in this relationship by choice. His choice.
So why poo poo it?
It started wrong but it has lasted longer than a lot of our relationships.
But was it his choice? When you are groomed from such a young age I think your ability to make those choices for your self are greatly affected. The state, his parents, everyone did a horrible job of protecting him from a predator.
Like Lindley said he was looking for a caring adult. She totally took advantage of that. She is a predator.
He never had a normal life, never had a special first date, prom or any kind of normal in his young life. There are female predators and it seems there are more of them everyday according to what we hear in the news.
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I feel sorry for him. He doesn't seem happy. I wonder what a body language expert would say about the interview. And they "both would be shocked and upset if their daughters were sleeping with their teacher", really. They did it and are saying how it worked for them, so the daughters will think the same thing.
And I agree, women sexual offenders get less shame than men.
I am not saying it was right. I haven't said that at all.
What I am saying is this isn't a 13 yr old victim anymore. He is an adult and he is choosing to continue the relationship.
It's on him now.
She paid the penalty set forth by the court and it is over and done.
And yes, there are 13 year olds out there that seek out sex. If you don't believe that you have to be living under a rock.
Once a complaint is made, the
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First, I have a crappy lap top so please excuse any typos or lack of proper response time.
Now. Again. I said I didn't say it was right.
I said I wouldn't like it.
But this is a grown man now. He is making the choice to stay every single day.
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I am not going to get into a pissing match with you. I don't really care if you want to argue. Argue with your self.
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I thonk the question is Can she or her family ever be allowed to move beyond the past and live today? And if he doesn't want to be with her he may certainly leave.
If it was a man he wouldn't have even been allowed contact with his daughters. Definitely a double standard.
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I thonk the question is Can she or her family ever be allowed to move beyond the past and live today? And if he doesn't want to be with her he may certainly leave.
Sure--if they quit going on TV for interviews. Absent that, I never would have given them another thought.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Yeah, why does she still need to share with the world that she's a sex offender?
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Isn't there a law that the person who commits a crime can't profit off it?
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I don't care if they profit, or not--but being the subject of scorn is the result of their money-grubbing. You don't get to have it both ways. You can't say on the one hand "just leave us alone to live our lives", and then on the other hand deliberately put yourself in the spotlight when most of America had forgotten all about you.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.