Dear Prudence, My former best friend slept with my husband. To save our marriage, we cut off all ties with her and her family. Reconciliation with my husband has been painful but rewarding. Recently, my husband and I received legal notifications that she had established two very generous college funds for our young daughters. We (especially I) want nothing to do with her or her guilt money; her behavior feels so manipulative. But by refusing the college funds, I’m worried I’m being a bad mother, making my girls’ college careers less certain. Would it be petty to turn down her money?
—Tuition Turmoil
Dear Turmoil, It’s all of a piece that a woman who would sleep with her best friend’s husband would also think it appropriate to set up college funds for the betrayed friend’s daughters, presumably to launder away her guilt. (Let me throw in a condemnation of your husband here, too. His violation was the greater, and he is lucky you were willing to give him another chance.) I understand your wanting to tell her to take her foul funds back, and if that’s what you decide, communicate this through a lawyer so you don’t get drawn into having actual discussions with her. But I am going to suggest you keep the dough. Our civil court system uses money as a form of compensation for injury or loss. Sure, there was no legal finding here, but your friend shattered your world and destroyed your trust. The money won’t undo that, but it will make your life easier when the tuition bills come due. If you’re able to think to yourself, “Damn right, you owe me!” then take the money and don’t dwell on its origin. Of course, if she tries to use it as an opening to re-establish contact, your lawyer should be in touch with hers to clarify that there are no conditions on the money, and there will be no reconciliation. Because even if she funds an academic study of friendship and betrayal in your name, you will never speak to her again.
Wow! Now that takes some balls to set up a college fund to erase your guilt. I bet she really believes it will work in her favor.
What a freakin' loser.
I'm not sure I could accept tainted money. It just seems like it would degrade me all over again. Since it is going to the kids, that might make it easier though.
And the biotch does need to pay for her infidelity with her former friends DH, more in the form of roasting her over a bed of hot coals type of thing though.
After thinking about it, take the money. LW does not have to actually touch the money and it will lessen financial burdens for the kids.
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I wouldn't think of the money as a handout, but more a restitution. The kids never need to know and the lawyer can handle all contact.
Why burden yourself financially if some idiot gives you money that you may need?
Not everyone is financially well off and I can see Prudies point.
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Well, I see so many people who let other people fund their lives and then complain because they are beholden to them. I seriously doubt this is going to be freely given with no strings. Most money is not.
If there are strings attached, then she can easily refuse. That would be the lawyers job.
I really don't see a problem with accepting the money if no strings are attached.
Think of it as winning the lottery. Woo Hoo, now get out of my face.
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Faith isn't something that keeps bad things from happening. Faith is what helps us get through bad things when they do happen.
I wouldn't think of the money as a handout, but more a restitution. The kids never need to know and the lawyer can handle all contact. Why burden yourself financially if some idiot gives you money that you may need? Not everyone is financially well off and I can see Prudies point.
I'm with Czech. Take the money. But, make sure there are no stipulations spelled out. If there are not, any "strings" would be of your own doing. If some idiot wants to give me money, I'll take it. If they have some feeling towards it, that's their issue, not mine.
Do you really want to take money from a former best friend who slept with your husband to pay for your kids? I mean really? I know that it's all about the Money nowadays but seems we would still have some standards. Maybe not.
Like watching "It's a Wonderful Life'. The point when George Bailey is offered to sell out to Mr Potter and Mr. Potter offers him a job as his manager and opportunity to make bank and travel the world. But, George refuses on principal. But if you made that movie today, that would be the end of the movie and we would see George in a designer suit traveling first class with his wife in furs.
Money ALWAYS comes with strings attached. Either physically, mentally, emotionally or spiritually. Just say no and Hell no.
Yeah. Prudie is being completely ridiculous on that point. Its obvious the "friend" wants to use this money to start some type of reconciliation. Its not just a random gift. The LW needs go decline or accept it based on that.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I wouldn't think of the money as a handout, but more a restitution. The kids never need to know and the lawyer can handle all contact. Why burden yourself financially if some idiot gives you money that you may need? Not everyone is financially well off and I can see Prudies point.
I'm with Czech. Take the money. But, make sure there are no stipulations spelled out. If there are not, any "strings" would be of your own doing. If some idiot wants to give me money, I'll take it. If they have some feeling towards it, that's their issue, not mine.
That's exactly what the loser boyfriends on Judge Judy say about taking money from their single mom girlfriends who are barely getting by, themselves. "Well, if someone is going to give me money, I'm not going to turn it down."
BS. Either decline it, or realize the conditions it comes with. Forgiveness is an option--although whether a bribed one is sincere, or not is a fair point.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I wouldn't think of the money as a handout, but more a restitution. The kids never need to know and the lawyer can handle all contact. Why burden yourself financially if some idiot gives you money that you may need? Not everyone is financially well off and I can see Prudies point.
I'm with Czech. Take the money. But, make sure there are no stipulations spelled out. If there are not, any "strings" would be of your own doing. If some idiot wants to give me money, I'll take it. If they have some feeling towards it, that's their issue, not mine.
That's exactly what the loser boyfriends on Judge Judy say about taking money from their single mom girlfriends who are barely getting by, themselves. "Well, if someone is going to give me money, I'm not going to turn it down."
BS. Either decline it, or realize the conditions it comes with. Forgiveness is an option--although whether a bribed one is sincere, or not is a fair point.
Yes, and it makes those men less than who they should be.
I want to know what kind of account? Is this the kind of account that will keep her active in thier lives? Or did she really just set it up and you never have to talk to her again.
This may be her way of holding on to this family.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
But I would get a lawyer and get him to ask "what are the conditions/strings attached?" Cause you there will be.
Then I would submit a list of conditions a mile long with the ability to add more as I see fit. First and foremost. You/your family will have no contact my family.
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I want to know what kind of account? Is this the kind of account that will keep her active in thier lives? Or did she really just set it up and you never have to talk to her again.
This may be her way of holding on to this family.
Of course it is. She is trying to buy forgiveness. Accepting the money implies it is given.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I want to know what kind of account? Is this the kind of account that will keep her active in thier lives? Or did she really just set it up and you never have to talk to her again.
This may be her way of holding on to this family.
Of course it is. She is trying to buy forgiveness. Accepting the money implies it is given.
Implications can be assertively denied.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
I wouldn't think of the money as a handout, but more a restitution. The kids never need to know and the lawyer can handle all contact. Why burden yourself financially if some idiot gives you money that you may need? Not everyone is financially well off and I can see Prudies point.
All of this. I would take the money in a heartbeat.
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I want to know what kind of account? Is this the kind of account that will keep her active in thier lives? Or did she really just set it up and you never have to talk to her again.
This may be her way of holding on to this family.
Ok I amend my response. I would only take the money if no strings attached.
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I want to know what kind of account? Is this the kind of account that will keep her active in thier lives? Or did she really just set it up and you never have to talk to her again.
This may be her way of holding on to this family.
Ok I amend my response. I would only take the money if no strings attached.
I mean, do they have to contact her to take the money out? That kind of thing. Or, will they be able to walk into the bank at 18 and say, "please give me my money."?
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
I want to know what kind of account? Is this the kind of account that will keep her active in thier lives? Or did she really just set it up and you never have to talk to her again.
This may be her way of holding on to this family.
Of course it is. She is trying to buy forgiveness. Accepting the money implies it is given.
Implications can be assertively denied.
Then I'm betting the money offer will be withdrawn.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I want to know what kind of account? Is this the kind of account that will keep her active in thier lives? Or did she really just set it up and you never have to talk to her again.
This may be her way of holding on to this family.
Of course it is. She is trying to buy forgiveness. Accepting the money implies it is given.
Implications can be assertively denied.
Then I'm betting the money offer will be withdrawn.
She actually does need to forgive her. Not for the mistress' sake but for her own. But forgiveness does not mean letting her back in her life.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
I think one thing I would be weary of is the mistress contacting the girls when they are in college to let them know that Auntie Skank paid for their schools.
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Sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug.
I want to know what kind of account? Is this the kind of account that will keep her active in thier lives? Or did she really just set it up and you never have to talk to her again.
This may be her way of holding on to this family.
Of course it is. She is trying to buy forgiveness. Accepting the money implies it is given.
Implications can be assertively denied.
Then I'm betting the money offer will be withdrawn.
She actually does need to forgive her. Not for the mistress' sake but for her own. But forgiveness does not mean letting her back in her life.
But that is the string that is attached. It couldn't be more obvious. Prudie and others are naive beyond belief to think that isn't the case.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
The mistress is not the problem child. Her husband is the one who made the vows. Hello.
So, if your best friend sleeps with your husband, that's ALL his fault? She is not to blame? Bull.
Of course, he is a problem - but so is she. Pretending otherwise is ridiculous. She betrayed her friend and slept with a married man. Either of those are terrible on their own - both of them together are heinous.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
The husband has the greater responsibility to you.
So? That doesn't mean anything in context to what SHE did.
And she has a bigger investment in her husband also - a marriage, children, etc. which give her more incentive to forgive him.
But he still committed the greater wrong--yet she can forgive him. It's illogical.
I don't think so. In the scheme of things, your spouse is supposed to be THE most important person in your life - if you are going to forgive anyone, it should be them. Plus, if you have kids, keeping the family together is incentive for forgiveness. But, forgiveness usually comes long before trust returns.
This woman is an outsider to the family - there is no incentive to keep her in their lives. Plus, reconciliation with the husband would be impossible with the constant reminder of his mistress around, I would think. And trust would absolutely impossible.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Well, Gaga - if your husband ever sleeps with your best friend, you are more than welcome to continue staying friends with her. You would be nuts - but it's your call.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Well, Gaga - if your husband ever sleeps with your best friend, you are more than welcome to continue staying friends with her. You would be nuts - but it's your call.
Where did I say that? Now you are being ridiculous. Yes, I would tell her to Go to Hell. But, I would feel more anger and betrayal at him.
Again, So?????? Why does that matter? This is not about comparing blame - this is about what SHE did.
The Blame fall squarely on him.
It takes TWO. This was her BEST FRIEND - are you kidding me?????
It doesn't take Two. The lifelong commitment was from him and him alone. It only takes one. HE transgressed. Who cares about the friend? She can go pound salt. Obviously she wasn't a friend.
I think one thing I would be weary of is the mistress contacting the girls when they are in college to let them know that Auntie Skank paid for their schools.
Can I just say that I love the name "Auntie Skank?"