TOTALLY GEEKED!

That's really sad

Not surprising either, given the current climate. And I'm not talking about weather.

The devil walks among us.

I have no issue with anyone of any religion sharing what it has inspired them to do. If they say Budda inspired them to go on a mission trip, great. No problem. If a Muslim says Allah inspired them to donate time to a hospital, great. No problem. Remember, this was an assignment about inspiration. IOW's doing good things. Now if we have kids saying Allah inspired them to kill, nope. I got a problem. Just like I would have a problem if anyone said their belief system inspired them to do bad things.

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I agree that that is sad, and I'd like it if she could use God in her papers, but I also see the possible problems that allowing kids to use religion in their papers could cause.

What about the Satanist kid? What about the Hindu kid? What about the Muslim kid? What about the Wiccan kid?

Would we want our Christian kids as a captive audience to those kids extolling the virtues of their God(s) or religious tomes? In this secular nation of ours, where we have the right to believe and worship as we see fit, it's best to keep religion out of our secular institutions. Those of us that want religion in school should send their kids to a religious school.

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 what about them?  if religion truly influenced those other kids then what is the big deal?

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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I have no issue with anyone of any religion sharing what it has inspired them to do. If they say Budda inspired them to go on a mission trip, great. No problem. If a Muslim says Allah inspired them to donate time to a hospital, great. No problem. Remember, this was an assignment about inspiration. IOW's doing good things. Now if we have kids saying Allah inspired them to kill, nope. I got a problem. Just like I would have a problem if anyone said their belief system inspired them to do bad things.

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 I agree.  But here's the main problem - both assignments were about HER.  What inspires HER life, what gives HER self esteem.  The fact that both of those come from God for her are part of who she is. 

And let's try not to ignore that pesky "freedom of religion" part of the Constitution.  A government entity telling a girl to shut up about God is pretty much a textbook definition of denying religious freedom.

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 I agree whole heartedly.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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WYSIWYG wrote:

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I agree that that is sad, and I'd like it if she could use God in her papers, but I also see the possible problems that allowing kids to use religion in their papers could cause.

What about the Satanist kid? What about the Hindu kid? What about the Muslim kid? What about the Wiccan kid?

Would we want our Christian kids as a captive audience to those kids extolling the virtues of their God(s) or religious tomes? In this secular nation of ours, where we have the right to believe and worship as we see fit, it's best to keep religion out of our secular institutions. Those of us that want religion in school should send their kids to a religious school.

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 what about them?  if religion truly influenced those other kids then what is the big deal?

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 That's what I was trying to say.  I don't really care what religion it is if it inspired them.

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 I agree!

flan

Yes. Her parents are right. God made man, and woman, in His image. He loves us so much He sent His own Son to be tortured and killed for us. He put us over every other thing on the planet. He calls us His Beloved. He has a special name for each and every one of us. He put us above the Heavenly Hosts. 

 

When you realize how much you are loved, how far God will go for you. How can you not have self esteem through the roof? 

 

Why? He put us above His own angels.

I'm not saying we should be prideful. Boasting.

But understand how important we are to Him.

Your kids are not prideful in your love. But they are sending ure in your love. How does that not give them a big old shot of self esteem?

See what I mean?

what about them? if religion truly influenced those other kids then what is the big deal? - huskerbb

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There may not be a big deal. But, then again, there may be a big deal when the religion has beliefs that are in conflict with the beliefs of other children.

Based on recent interactions here, I'll create a hypothetical situation where it could be a big deal. And for simplicity, I'll even keep it to Christianity.

What if my hypothetical child goes to the same school and same class as Tinydancer's or Lawyerlady's hypothetical child. And that child is extolling the virtues of how he or she has been religiously taught to properly treat homosexuals, how to deny them and how to shun them and how to otherwise make them feel less than worthy of God's Grace. I don't want that message conflicting with my belief, and what I would instill in my hypothetical child, in God's Grace and love for all his children.

That situation, I would imagine, would work in reverse as well. I believe that Tinydancer and Lawyerlady wouldn't want my hypothetical child putting out there to their hypothetical children that homosexuals should be loved and respected and treated as equals under the law.

Definition of inspire:

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a : to influence, move, or guide by divine or supernatural inspiration
b : to exert an animating, enlivening, or exalting influence on <was particularly inspired by the Romanticists>
c : to spur on : impel, motivate <threats don't necessarily inspire people to work>
d : affect <seeing the old room again inspired him with nostalgia>
2
a archaic : to breathe or blow into or upon
b archaic : to infuse (as life) by breathing
3
a : to communicate to an agent supernaturally
b : to draw forth or bring out <thoughts inspired by a visit to the cathedral>
4
: inhale 1
5
a : bring about, occasion <the book was inspired by his travels in the Far East>
b : incite
6
: to spread (rumor) by indirect means or through the agency of another

WYSIWYG wrote:

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what about them? if religion truly influenced those other kids then what is the big deal? - huskerbb

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There may not be a big deal. But, then again, there may be a big deal when the religion has beliefs that are in conflict with the beliefs of other children.

Based on recent interactions here, I'll create a hypothetical situation where it could be a big deal. And for simplicity, I'll even keep it to Christianity.

What if my hypothetical child goes to the same school and same class as Tinydancer's or Lawyerlady's hypothetical child. And that child is extolling the virtues of how he or she has been religiously taught to properly treat homosexuals, how to deny them and how to shun them and how to otherwise make them feel less than worthy of God's Grace. I don't want that message conflicting with my belief, and what I would instill in my hypothetical child, in God's Grace and love for all his children.

That situation, I would imagine, would work in reverse as well. I believe that Tinydancer and Lawyerlady wouldn't want my hypothetical child putting out there to their hypothetical children that homosexuals should be loved and respected and treated as equals under the law.

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 You have got to be kidding. Your hypothetical child can extoll any mumbo jumbo he wants but my child is and will be well versed in the Bible so will know exactly what God means, not what you'd like him to mean. You keep using the word shun but again it doesn't mean what you wish it means. I have never taught my child to mistreat anyone nor do I think anyone is less worthy of God's Grace. Again, the Bible tells us how to gain God's Grace. Stop trying to make the Bible say things it clearly doesn't say because it just makes you look deceitful.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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WYSIWYG wrote:

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what about them? if religion truly influenced those other kids then what is the big deal? - huskerbb

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There may not be a big deal. But, then again, there may be a big deal when the religion has beliefs that are in conflict with the beliefs of other children.

Based on recent interactions here, I'll create a hypothetical situation where it could be a big deal. And for simplicity, I'll even keep it to Christianity.

What if my hypothetical child goes to the same school and same class as Tinydancer's or Lawyerlady's hypothetical child. And that child is extolling the virtues of how he or she has been religiously taught to properly treat homosexuals, how to deny them and how to shun them and how to otherwise make them feel less than worthy of God's Grace. I don't want that message conflicting with my belief, and what I would instill in my hypothetical child, in God's Grace and love for all his children.

That situation, I would imagine, would work in reverse as well. I believe that Tinydancer and Lawyerlady wouldn't want my hypothetical child putting out there to their hypothetical children that homosexuals should be loved and respected and treated as equals under the law.

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 It's never been more obvious that you know nothing about Christians, or the Bible, or what the difference is between loving the person and hating the sin.

You also confuse tolerance with acceptance.

So nice try. But you fail. 

Try again when you figure it out.

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 Did you have a point? Just to insult WYSIWYG?

flan

flan327 wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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WYSIWYG wrote:

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what about them? if religion truly influenced those other kids then what is the big deal? - huskerbb

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There may not be a big deal. But, then again, there may be a big deal when the religion has beliefs that are in conflict with the beliefs of other children.

Based on recent interactions here, I'll create a hypothetical situation where it could be a big deal. And for simplicity, I'll even keep it to Christianity.

What if my hypothetical child goes to the same school and same class as Tinydancer's or Lawyerlady's hypothetical child. And that child is extolling the virtues of how he or she has been religiously taught to properly treat homosexuals, how to deny them and how to shun them and how to otherwise make them feel less than worthy of God's Grace. I don't want that message conflicting with my belief, and what I would instill in my hypothetical child, in God's Grace and love for all his children.

That situation, I would imagine, would work in reverse as well. I believe that Tinydancer and Lawyerlady wouldn't want my hypothetical child putting out there to their hypothetical children that homosexuals should be loved and respected and treated as equals under the law.

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 It's never been more obvious that you know nothing about Christians, or the Bible, or what the difference is between loving the person and hating the sin.

You also confuse tolerance with acceptance.

So nice try. But you fail. 

Try again when you figure it out.

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 Did you have a point? Just to insult WYSIWYG?

flan

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 If WYSIWYG wants to keep saying he knows so much about the Bible than lily has every right to call him out when he's dead wrong.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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WYSIWYG wrote:

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what about them? if religion truly influenced those other kids then what is the big deal? - huskerbb

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There may not be a big deal. But, then again, there may be a big deal when the religion has beliefs that are in conflict with the beliefs of other children.

Based on recent interactions here, I'll create a hypothetical situation where it could be a big deal. And for simplicity, I'll even keep it to Christianity.

What if my hypothetical child goes to the same school and same class as Tinydancer's or Lawyerlady's hypothetical child. And that child is extolling the virtues of how he or she has been religiously taught to properly treat homosexuals, how to deny them and how to shun them and how to otherwise make them feel less than worthy of God's Grace. I don't want that message conflicting with my belief, and what I would instill in my hypothetical child, in God's Grace and love for all his children.

That situation, I would imagine, would work in reverse as well. I believe that Tinydancer and Lawyerlady wouldn't want my hypothetical child putting out there to their hypothetical children that homosexuals should be loved and respected and treated as equals under the law.

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 It's never been more obvious that you know nothing about Christians, or the Bible, or what the difference is between loving the person and hating the sin.

You also confuse tolerance with acceptance.

So nice try. But you fail. 

Try again when you figure it out.

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 Did you have a point? Just to insult WYSIWYG?

flan

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 If you did more than scan the post, you would see it wasn't an insult to them. It was a critique of their argument. 

 

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A critique? Not even close.

flan 

flan327 wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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WYSIWYG wrote:

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what about them? if religion truly influenced those other kids then what is the big deal? - huskerbb

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There may not be a big deal. But, then again, there may be a big deal when the religion has beliefs that are in conflict with the beliefs of other children.

Based on recent interactions here, I'll create a hypothetical situation where it could be a big deal. And for simplicity, I'll even keep it to Christianity.

What if my hypothetical child goes to the same school and same class as Tinydancer's or Lawyerlady's hypothetical child. And that child is extolling the virtues of how he or she has been religiously taught to properly treat homosexuals, how to deny them and how to shun them and how to otherwise make them feel less than worthy of God's Grace. I don't want that message conflicting with my belief, and what I would instill in my hypothetical child, in God's Grace and love for all his children.

That situation, I would imagine, would work in reverse as well. I believe that Tinydancer and Lawyerlady wouldn't want my hypothetical child putting out there to their hypothetical children that homosexuals should be loved and respected and treated as equals under the law.

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 It's never been more obvious that you know nothing about Christians, or the Bible, or what the difference is between loving the person and hating the sin.

You also confuse tolerance with acceptance.

So nice try. But you fail. 

Try again when you figure it out.

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 Did you have a point? Just to insult WYSIWYG?

flan

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 If you did more than scan the post, you would see it wasn't an insult to them. It was a critique of their argument. 

 

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A critique? Not even close.

flan 

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 Well I can see why you would say that. You take every thing personally. 

So again. That is your problem, not mine.

Let's get back to the real subject here. The assignment was to write about something that inspired you. If someone told YOU to do that you would naturally assume that you were supposed to write about something that made you want to do good or better yourself or made happy or a better person. Usually we do not associate inspiration with murder and hate. So in that context I see no reason why it's a problem that any child talks about who/what they believe in.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Let's get back to the real subject here. The assignment was to write about something that inspired you. If someone told YOU to do that you would naturally assume that you were supposed to write about something that made you want to do good or better yourself or made happy or a better person. Usually we do not associate inspiration with murder and hate. So in that context I see no reason why it's a problem that any child talks about who/what they believe in.

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 Stop talking sense, woman.  Don't you know nobody should speak to anyone unless it fits the liberal ideal of political correctness?  I mean, how on earth are they to brainwash the kids if they are given different views now and then?

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 Sorry.  I can actually think for myself and have trained my kids to be respectful and open with me.  I so forgot we have to worry about brainwashing!

I think this is a twisted assignment. If she was not allowed to write about what truly inspired her what is the point. Just give some PC answer that makes the teacher feel warm & fuzzy. I had a Government teacher my senior year that gave an assignment on controversial topics. Those who agreed with her point of view got As. Those of us who didn't got Ds. I hate that type of biased BS.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Let's get back to the real subject here. The assignment was to write about something that inspired you. If someone told YOU to do that you would naturally assume that you were supposed to write about something that made you want to do good or better yourself or made happy or a better person. Usually we do not associate inspiration with murder and hate. So in that context I see no reason why it's a problem that any child talks about who/what they believe in.

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 Stop talking sense, woman.  Don't you know nobody should speak to anyone unless it fits the liberal ideal of political correctness?  I mean, how on earth are they to brainwash the kids if they are given different views now and then?

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 Sorry.  I can actually think for myself and have trained my kids to be respectful and open with me.  I so forgot we have to worry about brainwashing!

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And I can also think for myself.

flan 

flan327 wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Let's get back to the real subject here. The assignment was to write about something that inspired you. If someone told YOU to do that you would naturally assume that you were supposed to write about something that made you want to do good or better yourself or made happy or a better person. Usually we do not associate inspiration with murder and hate. So in that context I see no reason why it's a problem that any child talks about who/what they believe in.

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 Stop talking sense, woman.  Don't you know nobody should speak to anyone unless it fits the liberal ideal of political correctness?  I mean, how on earth are they to brainwash the kids if they are given different views now and then?

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 Sorry.  I can actually think for myself and have trained my kids to be respectful and open with me.  I so forgot we have to worry about brainwashing!

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And I can also think for myself.

flan 

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 Ah yes, this thread is all about YOU.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Let's get back to the real subject here. The assignment was to write about something that inspired you. If someone told YOU to do that you would naturally assume that you were supposed to write about something that made you want to do good or better yourself or made happy or a better person. Usually we do not associate inspiration with murder and hate. So in that context I see no reason why it's a problem that any child talks about who/what they believe in.

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 Stop talking sense, woman.  Don't you know nobody should speak to anyone unless it fits the liberal ideal of political correctness?  I mean, how on earth are they to brainwash the kids if they are given different views now and then?

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 Sorry.  I can actually think for myself and have trained my kids to be respectful and open with me.  I so forgot we have to worry about brainwashing!

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And I can also think for myself.

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So, you are offended if someone says to you, "God has inspired me to go to the VA hospital and read to the patients there."?

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Why in the world would I be offended?

flan 

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Why in the world would I be offended?

flan 

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 This is the assignment we're talking about.  What inspires YOU.  (General you.)  I can't believe some idiot would be offended that a child would say that god inspired her to do good.  If a Muslim child said Allah inspired her to volunteer her time working with kids at the library during the summer-that wouldn't be offensive to me.  If a Buddist child said her god inspired her to collect food for the hungry I wouldn't be offended.  THAT is what this assignment was about.  And for someone to say we need to not have her say that because she's a Christian and her version of god is not another person's version of god is just downright freaking idiotic.  I don't really give a rat's ass if you pray to daffodils if it makes you want to be nice to other people.  And that's another thing.  If a kid had said nature inspires me to want to do good things then I have no problem with that.  I just don't get why people are targeting Christianity in THIS situation.  It was not about hatred or bias, or preaching, or anything else negative.  It was about what brought THAT CHILD happiness.  Or are we so freaking mad about Christianity these days that we just can't let a kid be happy?

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But I agree with you.

flan 

It's never been more obvious that you know nothing about Christians, or the Bible, or what the difference is between loving the person and hating the sin.

You also confuse tolerance with acceptance.

So nice try. But you fail.

Try again when you figure it out.
- lilyofcourse

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The only thing I "fail" at is instead of the lack of that belief that you and several others here appear to have, I have the belief in the greatness and forgiveness of God. I'm okay with that being my "fail".

I prefer to believe in the Goodness of not only people, but also in God. If you don't wish to have that same belief, I can accept that, because not only do I accept that others don't believe as I do, I also accept that they should be allowed to and that it shouldn't be held against them.

Well, let's try to stick with reality here and quit making up situations that may or may not ever happen. Your "what if" situation wasn't what happened so I don't see why you had to what if another reason for it. She wasn't asked to give her testimony and if she had she would have, rightly, gotten into trouble. The OP said she was supposed to write about inspiration and she did. What if till the day is long but you're not dealing with the actual FACTS of what happened. Not that facts actually matter to you.