TOTALLY GEEKED!

I know a lot of people blame the vac. on autisim but where my daughter lives they have to do the same vac. there as they do here and their country does not have a high % of kids with autism. Just because you do your "research" on the internet does not mean you are getting the correct information. My dd is a nurse and she does understand there are risk in getting vac. but she went ahead and vaccinated her kids. I had measles when I was 16 and I was miserable.

Why? If you are vaccinated, then what is the problem? Isn't that the POINT?

Most people here vaccinate. I know a few people who don't and I won't take Baby A around them until she is fully vaccinated.

And kids aren't fully vaccinated for years. Nope, not gonna try it...

Vaccines don't always "take". I received all of the typcal immunizations, but






I've had measles 3 times, and mumps 5 times - all in my mid-late teens.

We just got a notice from our ENT that a 2 yr old with TB was in their office in the last two months.

You can't ever fully protect yourself from everything.

flan327 wrote:

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Maybe a stupid question:

When my boys were in school, you had to show up-to-date vaccination records in order to register them for that year. Is this no longer done, or does it vary from district to district?

flan

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This is NOT to start a political discussion, but the more liberal districts are the ones that are relaxing that rule. It's just the truth... 

lilyofcourse wrote:

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We had to show up to date shots when starting a new school. After that, who knows who is up to date.

There is also a form that exempts the child.

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My kids had to show shot records every other year.  There was one vaccine that had just started when DD started 7th grade.  They gave everyone a 2 weeks grace period, after that, you couldn't come to school.  Maybe it was the Hep B vaccine? I know there were 3 shots, each about 3 months apart.  And trust me, the school kept up with it...

Ohfour wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Maybe a stupid question:

When my boys were in school, you had to show up-to-date vaccination records in order to register them for that year. Is this no longer done, or does it vary from district to district?

flan

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This is NOT to start a political discussion, but the more liberal districts are the ones that are relaxing that rule. It's just the truth... 

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 No problem, it makes total sense, ohfour.

flan

p.s. Don't tell anyone that I disagree!!!

We are required to show proof of vaccination before starting school. There is one that must be received before entering 6th grade. They send reminders out in December for the following school year. No vaccine, no entering 6th grade.

FNW wrote:

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My boys both had to have their pneumococcal vaccines repeated. They would never have known they didn't take, until they saw the allergist/immunologist who ran tests to see if this particular vaccine was working, given #2's propensity for chest infection. Since results showed his didn't, they tested #1 as well and sure enough. Possibly it was a bad batch? But it makes me wonder about their other vaccines....

I never really think to find out if someone is or isn't vaccinated. I figure my kids are, so it doesn't matter, right?

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You reminded me of something I deal with occasionally at work. 

There are companies that sell counterfeit drugs, that look like the real ones, but could contain tap water or almost any clear liquid.

My customers get email and fax offers from "grey market" companies ALL - THE -TIME offering them whatever drugs are in short supply, frequently at 10 or 20 times the regular price, saying they are our products purchased in Europe or somewhere else.

They usually are NOT.

Alternatively, they can be look-alike counterfeit drugs or vaccines that are priced LOWER than the market price, but again, they are fakes.

 

So it's certainly possible that the doctor's office got a "deal", and only thought they were selling you (or anyone) real vaccines.

(There's a way to find out ... )

 

And vaccines don't cause autism. I think it could be artificial sweeteners. I have no scientific basis for that at all, but autism rates have gone up and up at the same time "sugar free" and "diet" have become more and more popular.

A Brief History of Artificial Sweeteners

The first artificial sweetener, saccharin, was synthesized in 1879. It became popular because of its low cost of production at the time of sugar shortages during World Wars I and II. After these wars, when sugar once more became available and inexpensive, the reasons for using saccharin shifted from economics to health (calorie reduction primarily). In the 1950s cyclamate was introduced, and Sweet ’N Low became a popular mixture of a blend of saccharin and cyclamate. The artificial sweetener market was shaken in the 1970s when the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) banned cyclamate from all dietary foods in the USA because of a cancer risk found in experimental animals (other countries still allow cyclamate). In 1981 the next artificial sweetener, aspartame, marketed as Nutra-Sweet, became popular. Since then several new nonnutritive sweeteners have been introduced with a promise to be more like real sugar with few calories.

I do not believe vaccines cause autism.

Please make note of that.

But I do wonder if they could help bring symptoms to light.

I have no proof. Just the musings of my own thoughts.

Autism usually becomes visable, for lack of a better word, around 2ish. Now we all know that there can be adverse side effects from vaccines. They are rare but they do happen.

I wonder if maybe, in some, it could make autism symptoms worse. More pronounced.

Of course a child who is autistic is born that way. No vaccine will cause it.

But is it possible, in rare cases, it triggers, or dulls, something that may make it worse.
Again, just a thought.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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And vaccines don't cause autism. I think it could be artificial sweeteners. I have no scientific basis for that at all, but autism rates have gone up and up at the same time "sugar free" and "diet" have become more and more popular.

A Brief History of Artificial Sweeteners

The first artificial sweetener, saccharin, was synthesized in 1879. It became popular because of its low cost of production at the time of sugar shortages during World Wars I and II. After these wars, when sugar once more became available and inexpensive, the reasons for using saccharin shifted from economics to health (calorie reduction primarily). In the 1950s cyclamate was introduced, and Sweet ’N Low became a popular mixture of a blend of saccharin and cyclamate. The artificial sweetener market was shaken in the 1970s when the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) banned cyclamate from all dietary foods in the USA because of a cancer risk found in experimental animals (other countries still allow cyclamate). In 1981 the next artificial sweetener, aspartame, marketed as Nutra-Sweet, became popular. Since then several new nonnutritive sweeteners have been introduced with a promise to be more like real sugar with few calories.

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 good to know.  I would like to see a more detailed study conducted.

Ohfour wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Maybe a stupid question:

When my boys were in school, you had to show up-to-date vaccination records in order to register them for that year. Is this no longer done, or does it vary from district to district?

flan

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This is NOT to start a political discussion, but the more liberal districts are the ones that are relaxing that rule. It's just the truth... 

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 Not necessarily just a "liberal" state issue. Many traditionally conservative states also allow a waiver instead of vaccinations. All a parent has to do is sign a paper that says they are against vaccines and they are exempt. Indiana is a very conservative state and they allow the waiver in public and private schools. 

And that's a liberal state so it isn't necessarily a liberal/conservative issue. Indiana which is a super conservative state doesn't require vaccines, you can just sign a waiver stating you don't believe in them.

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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And vaccines don't cause autism. I think it could be artificial sweeteners. I have no scientific basis for that at all, but autism rates have gone up and up at the same time "sugar free" and "diet" have become more and more popular.

A Brief History of Artificial Sweeteners

The first artificial sweetener, saccharin, was synthesized in 1879. It became popular because of its low cost of production at the time of sugar shortages during World Wars I and II. After these wars, when sugar once more became available and inexpensive, the reasons for using saccharin shifted from economics to health (calorie reduction primarily). In the 1950s cyclamate was introduced, and Sweet ’N Low became a popular mixture of a blend of saccharin and cyclamate. The artificial sweetener market was shaken in the 1970s when the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) banned cyclamate from all dietary foods in the USA because of a cancer risk found in experimental animals (other countries still allow cyclamate). In 1981 the next artificial sweetener, aspartame, marketed as Nutra-Sweet, became popular. Since then several new nonnutritive sweeteners have been introduced with a promise to be more like real sugar with few calories.

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 good to know.  I would like to see a more detailed study conducted.

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 There are several things that have become much more prevalent.  Another is ultrasounds/sonograms. There is research that indicates increased ultrasound use had adverse affects - fetuses are very sensitive to increases in heat. 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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And vaccines don't cause autism. I think it could be artificial sweeteners. I have no scientific basis for that at all, but autism rates have gone up and up at the same time "sugar free" and "diet" have become more and more popular.

A Brief History of Artificial Sweeteners

The first artificial sweetener, saccharin, was synthesized in 1879. It became popular because of its low cost of production at the time of sugar shortages during World Wars I and II. After these wars, when sugar once more became available and inexpensive, the reasons for using saccharin shifted from economics to health (calorie reduction primarily). In the 1950s cyclamate was introduced, and Sweet ’N Low became a popular mixture of a blend of saccharin and cyclamate. The artificial sweetener market was shaken in the 1970s when the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) banned cyclamate from all dietary foods in the USA because of a cancer risk found in experimental animals (other countries still allow cyclamate). In 1981 the next artificial sweetener, aspartame, marketed as Nutra-Sweet, became popular. Since then several new nonnutritive sweeteners have been introduced with a promise to be more like real sugar with few calories.

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 good to know.  I would like to see a more detailed study conducted.

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 There are several things that have become much more prevalent.  Another is ultrasounds/sonograms. There is research that indicates increased ultrasound use had adverse affects - fetuses are very sensitive to increases in heat. 

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 I went cold turkey from artificial sweeteners 2 months ago. i felt weird. I have much more energy now.

In my state it's for religious or medical reasons. And it's just not that easy as signing paper. You have to have clergy sign off on the paper or a doctor sign off saying that getting the vaccine would be detrimental to your child's health for reason A, B, or C.

I can't think of any good reason NOT to vaccinate. God gave us people smart enough to figure out how to fight disease. It would almost be an insult to not avail ourselves of their research.

Corn syrup is a big factor in my opinion.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Why? If you are vaccinated, then what is the problem? Isn't that the POINT?

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You haven't finished all your vaccines until you are ready for school.