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Sebastian Murdock · Guru

A Michigan father and his son will spend years in prison for raping the same underage girl.

Marc Rowe Sr., 45, and his son, Marc Rowe Jr., 19, were convicted earlier this year of several counts of criminal sexual conduct for sexually abusing the girl for two years, starting when she was 12, MLive reports.

The elder Rowe will serve 22 to 35 years in prison, according to the New York Daily News. His son will serve at least three years. The family members were sentenced just hours apart, MLive reported on Tuesday.

The father sexually assaulted the victim from 2012 until May 2014, at which point his son began to assault the girl, who was then in eighth grade. The younger Rowe was a freshman in college at the time.

Most of the abuse took place at the father's residence, where he "coerced the victim to submit by exerting his authoritative position," according to an arrest warrant.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/04/father-son-underage-girl_n_7513136.html?utm_hp_ref=crime

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

What??????

ed11563 · Guru

How might he have lured her into his house? Maybe hired her to babysit for his little boy? (his 17 y.o. little boy?)

There has to be a lot more to this story.

huskerbb · Guru

They obviously knew her.

Our society is paranoid about "stranger danger", when the FACT is that you are hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of times more likely to be hurt, kidnapped, or killed by someone you know.

Everyone freaks the fvck out if you let your child go play at the park alone--but it's usually the weird neighbor, a relative, a teacher, a youth leader, or coach, etc... that the kids KNOW that cause them harm.

We have our collective heads up our asses on this issue.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

A friend of mine recently took her kids to the park. They saw these two girls playing. Thought nothing of it thinking the parents were somewhere near. The little one fell and skinned her knee. My friend went over to help. Turns out the girls were five and seven and the parents had left them there while they went shopping. I would have called the police. My friend waited until the parents returned.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
A friend of mine recently took her kids to the park. They saw these two girls playing. Thought nothing of it thinking the parents were somewhere near. The little one fell and skinned her knee. My friend went over to help. Turns out the girls were five and seven and the parents had left them there while they went shopping. I would have called the police. My friend waited until the parents returned.

Why call the police? That's ridiculous--and exactly what I'm talking about.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

My friends were there for an hour before the parents showed back up. Who knows how long those girls were there before they got there. They didn't walk to the park, their parents dropped them off there when they went shopping. The seven year old panicked when her sister fell and skinned her knee. So obviously she wasn't at the point where she felt comfortable caring for her little sister. Don't know if they knew their address or not. They didn't even know WHERE their parents were other than "shopping". Anyone who can't see the inherent danger there is BLIND.

huskerbb · Guru

Anyone who sees "danger" in kids playing at a park is paranoid.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Anyone who sees "danger" in kids playing at a park is paranoid.

Really? In 2015? When there are literally 100's of convicted pedophiles within a 2 mile radius of everyone? Oh, ok. confuse

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I guess you can call me paranoid. For awhile we had a pedophile living a few doors down from us. He had sodomized a kid the same age as my SS. We didn't allow my SS to go out front and play and he wasn't allowed to walk up and down the street with supervision. We let him go out now but the pedophile has moved to another state. Other people let their kids out more now too.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

But really, you don't know if you are rubbing elbows with pedophiles any where.

School functions, grocery stores, restaurants.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
Anyone who sees "danger" in kids playing at a park is paranoid.

YOUNG kids playing WITHOUT parents, husker. Did you even read what she said?

A 7-year-old is TOO YOUNG to be in charge of a 5-year-old.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

A 7yr old cannot be in charge of a 5 yr old.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Anyone who sees "danger" in kids playing at a park is paranoid.
YOUNG kids playing WITHOUT parents, husker. Did you even read what she said?
A 7-year-old is TOO YOUNG to be in charge of a 5-year-old.
flan

It would be different if these kids lived near the park. Or if they had a cell phone or something. The parents dumped them there and went shopping. The kids didn't have any idea where their parents were.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Anyone who sees "danger" in kids playing at a park is paranoid.
YOUNG kids playing WITHOUT parents, husker. Did you even read what she said?
A 7-year-old is TOO YOUNG to be in charge of a 5-year-old.
flan

Yes, I read it. No, it's not too young.

That's why we raise kids who don't know how to do anything. Helicopter parenting.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Anyone who sees "danger" in kids playing at a park is paranoid.
Really? In 2015? When there are literally 100's of convicted pedophiles within a 2 mile radius of everyone? Oh, ok.

LOL!!!!

You are delusionally paranoid--and exactly what I'm talking about. You see all this mythical "stranger danger"--when the FACT is they are likely MORE in danger at home from people they know.

Heck, if you have a home swimming pool, a child is EXPONENTIALLY more likely to drown at home--EVEN IF THE PARENTS ARE HOME--than get kidnapped by some stranger at a park.

About 115 children per year are kidnapped by strangers in the entire U.S. More than 700 drown--and more than half of those in home swimming pools.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 7th of June 2015 06:38:58 PM

-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 7th of June 2015 06:41:24 PM

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Anyone who sees "danger" in kids playing at a park is paranoid.
YOUNG kids playing WITHOUT parents, husker. Did you even read what she said?
A 7-year-old is TOO YOUNG to be in charge of a 5-year-old.
flan
Yes, I read it. No, it's not too young.

That's why we raise kids who don't know how to do anything. Helicopter parenting.

Yes, sir, it definitely IS too young.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Oops I pasted my response on another thread. Lol

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Anyone who sees "danger" in kids playing at a park is paranoid.
Really? In 2015? When there are literally 100's of convicted pedophiles within a 2 mile radius of everyone? Oh, ok.
LOL!!!!

You are delusionally paranoid--and exactly what I'm talking about. You see all this mythical "stranger danger"--when the FACT is they are likely MORE in danger at home from people they know.

Heck, if you have a home swimming pool, a child is EXPONENTIALLY more likely to drown at home--EVEN IF THE PARENTS ARE HOME--than get kidnapped by some stranger at a park.

About 115 children per year are kidnapped by strangers in the entire U.S. More than 700 drown--and more than half of those in home swimming pools.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 7th of June 2015 06:38:58 PM

-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 7th of June 2015 06:41:24 PM

Yep. I agree 100% with Husker.

So far this week I have agreed with Husker, LL and Lily. Hell might be freezing over about now.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Anyone who sees "danger" in kids playing at a park is paranoid.
YOUNG kids playing WITHOUT parents, husker. Did you even read what she said?
A 7-year-old is TOO YOUNG to be in charge of a 5-year-old.
flan
Yes, I read it. No, it's not too young.

That's why we raise kids who don't know how to do anything. Helicopter parenting.
Yes, sir, it definitely IS too young.
flan

BS. When I was 5, I was driving a tractor mowing fields. That's a hell of a lot more complicated than going down a slide or playing on some monkey bars.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Oh goody for you!

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Oh goody for you!

Kids will generally do what you expect them to do. If you expect nothing--you'll get nothing.

Just because society has moved to a point where we don't WANT our children working in fields, in mines, factories, etc...--doesn't mean they aren't capable.

karl271 · Guru

I have to agree with Husker on this one, too.

A skinned knee. Not something to panic over, I would think.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

So Karl, are you saying the 7 year old had no right to panic?

I just can't see dropping kids that age off and going off shopping and not telling them where you were going. They couldn't get home till their parents came to pick them up. Would have been bad if the parents were in an accident on the way home to pick them up.

karl271 · Guru

Kids panic all the time whether there is an adult with them or not. Just what they do. I meant other posters on the board need not panic over a skinned knee.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I would not leave my five and seven year old anywhere alone and not tell them where I was going to be and not leave them any way to get hold of someone in an emergency. That doesn't mean I am a helicopter parent.

karl271 · Guru

True enough. I do not think that would make anyone a helicopter parent (as I understand the term). I have only know one helicopter parent and that was when I was growing up and the kid lived down the block from me and we were the same age. His mother insisted on knowing where he was all the time, regulated who he could play with, would not allow him to wear jeans, etc... I often wonder what happened to him.

NAOW · Vette's SS

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I would not leave my five and seven year old anywhere alone and not tell them where I was going to be and not leave them any way to get hold of someone in an emergency. That doesn't mean I am a helicopter parent.

Not here either.

I was not allowed to be at the park by myself at seven either and my parents are not even close to being helicopter parents.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

NAOW wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I would not leave my five and seven year old anywhere alone and not tell them where I was going to be and not leave them any way to get hold of someone in an emergency. That doesn't mean I am a helicopter parent.
Not here either.
I was not allowed to be at the park by myself at seven either and my parents are not even close to being helicopter parents.

The parents didn't even tell them where they were going. Just "Shopping".

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
NAOW wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I would not leave my five and seven year old anywhere alone and not tell them where I was going to be and not leave them any way to get hold of someone in an emergency. That doesn't mean I am a helicopter parent.
Not here either.
I was not allowed to be at the park by myself at seven either and my parents are not even close to being helicopter parents.
The parents didn't even tell them where they were going. Just "Shopping".

I wish the police had been called.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

karl271 wrote:
Kids panic all the time whether there is an adult with them or not. Just what they do. I meant other posters on the board need not panic over a skinned knee.

But it could have been much worse.

flan

chillepeppa · Regular

But seriously now, how do you get a 12yo in your house? And then get her to keep coming back for more? I mean, regardless of his authoritative position in his house, the minute I'm out of that house, he's toast. What are we missing here??

burns07 · Guru

lord--what a couple of depraved twits--a shame they weren't ever caught in the act--could have dispensed with either or both of them on the spot--feel sorry for that young girl--sickening

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

chillepeppa wrote:
But seriously now, how do you get a 12yo in your house? And then get her to keep coming back for more? I mean, regardless of his authoritative position in his house, the minute I'm out of that house, he's toast. What are we missing here??

It is probably a family member, the daughter/sister - but since she's a minor they are not wanting to provide that information in the article b/c it would give away her identity.

FNW · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
But seriously now, how do you get a 12yo in your house? And then get her to keep coming back for more? I mean, regardless of his authoritative position in his house, the minute I'm out of that house, he's toast. What are we missing here??
It is probably a family member, the daughter/sister - but since she's a minor they are not wanting to provide that information in the article b/c it would give away her identity.

That would be my guess as well.

I agree with husker in that pedophiles are among us, and we're more worried about strangers. But I disagree that 7 years is old enough to drop off at a park and leave without anyway way to reach them if they are needed. Not because I worry about them getting hurt, because playgrounds are built so "safe" these days that they are hardly any fun. I would worry about them being snatched, or have them wander away in search of me.

I was raised by a helicopter mom who wanted to know my every whereabouts, who I was with, etc., until I turned 18. But in her defense, she has separation anxiety. She has recurring nightmares that we are in an airport and become separated. It's a fear she has.

I try not to be that extreme with my own boys. I drop them off for their Religious Education classes and leave, allowing them to get to their class. But they know my phone number and where to go to use the phone to call me if they need me.

I think location has a lot to do with my decision to allow more freedom. If they wanted to walk to the nearby park, I wouldn't have a problem. They know how to get home if they need me. I would not leave to go shopping, however. I would not drive them to a different neighborhood far from home and leave them without any way to reach me or return home. And they would need to be together. I would not allow just one to go by himself.

There have been reportings of a man in his 40's driving a silver/grey sedan targeting children leaving/going to bus stops in my county and attempting them to get into his car. So yeah, abduction is a concern.

WYSIWYG · Guru

What happened in the OP is depravity at it's worst. And shouldn't happen to anyone.

I do agree with huskerbb though that we, as a society, are seeing bogey men around every corner when it comes to kids. I remember the good old days when in my mid single digits (6 to 7) I could run out of the house screaming "Bye mom, I'll be back later" and the only response was "Dinner will be at 7. Be back by then if you want any!". Nowadays if a parent were to respond that way, they would be pilloried and pelted with rotten fruit and eggs, before being guillotined in the square.

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