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Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Kid dies from Bubonic Plague

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I want to know when his parents will be arrested since this could have been treated with antibiotics. evileye

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Not even remotely the same.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Not even remotely the same.

flan

How not? He was infected by FLEAS on a dead squirrel at his home - not exactly hygenic. Even though he had terrible common "flu" symptoms, his parents treated him at home and did not take him to the doctor, and by the time they took him to the hospital, it was too late. Had they taken him to the doctor and gotten antibiotics - he would most likely be alive.

How is that "not even remotely the same"?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I mean, WTH? Two days after gettting sick - they had him at a Colorado rockies game while he was sick. With the PLAGUE.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/21/star-teenage-athlete-dies-after-flu-symptoms-turn-out-to-be-plague/

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

bubonic plague

[byo̅o̅bon′ik]
Etymology: Gk, boubon, groin; L, plaga, stroke

the most common form of plague. It is characterized by painful buboes in the axilla, groin, or neck; fever often rising to 106° F (41.11° C); prostration with a rapid, thready pulse; hypotension; delirium; and bleeding into the skin from the superficial blood vessels. The symptoms are caused by an endotoxin released by a bacillus, Yersinia pestis, usually introduced into the body by the bite of a rat flea that has bitten an infected rat. Inoculation with plague vaccine confers partial immunity; infection provides lifetime immunity. Treatment includes antibiotics, supportive nursing care, surgical drainage of buboes, isolation, and stringent precautions against spread of the disease. Conditions favor a plague epidemic when a large infected rodent population lives with a large nonimmune human population in a damp, warm climate. Improved sanitary conditions and eradication of rats and other rodent reservoirs of Y. pestis may prevent outbreaks of the disease. Killing the infected rodents, which may include ground squirrels and rabbits, and not the fleas allows a continued threat of human infection. It is a possible agent of bioterrorism if the bacilli are aerosolized and has the highest potential for negative public health. Also called
Usage notes: (informal)
black death, black plague. Compare pneumonic plague, septicemic plague. See also bubo, plague, Yersinia pestis.
Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier.
A rare bacterial infection due to Yersinia pestis; in its full-blown fulminant form—explosive Y pestis growth—it may kill in 24 hrs, by destroying normal tissues; after 3 days of incubation, high fever, black blotchy rashes—DIC—plus petechial hemorrhage, delirium; bursting of a bubo—a massively enlarged lymph node—is extremely painful
Epidemiology Y pestis is transmitted by Oriental rat fleas—Xenopsylla cheopis—which bite the rat, ingesting Y pestis; these rapidly reproduce in the flea, forming a ‘plug’ of obstructing bacteria in the flea’s gut, making the flea ravenously hungry and making it go into a feeding frenzy, in which it repeatedly bites the rat and regurgitates Y pestis; once the usual hosts—rats—die, the fleas becomes less discriminating and attack any mammal; in humans, aerosol is the common mode of transmission
Incubation 2–10 days
Mortality Without antibiotics, nearly 100%; with antibiotics, 5%

Medical History The Black Plague of Middle Ages Europe arrived with the Tartars in Sicily in late 1347, reaching Paris by the following winter; within 3–4 years, it had killed 25 million, 30% to 60% of Europe’s population at the time; Yersinia pestis infection of mammalian hosts is attributed to suppression and avoidance of the host’s immune defenses—e.g., phagocytosis and antibody production
Segen's Medical Dictionary. © 2012 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I'm very sad for his family. And I hope they don't get this, since it is contagious and can be spread not only by those fleas on their property, but from person to person. At least now they know, and can get treatment as soon as symptoms start.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Not even remotely the same.

flan
How not? He was infected by FLEAS on a dead squirrel at his home - not exactly hygenic. Even though he had terrible common "flu" symptoms, his parents treated him at home and did not take him to the doctor, and by the time they took him to the hospital, it was too late. Had they taken him to the doctor and gotten antibiotics - he would most likely be alive.
How is that "not even remotely the same"?

These are EXACLTY the same.

Tinydancer · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Not even remotely the same.

flan
How not? He was infected by FLEAS on a dead squirrel at his home - not exactly hygenic. Even though he had terrible common "flu" symptoms, his parents treated him at home and did not take him to the doctor, and by the time they took him to the hospital, it was too late. Had they taken him to the doctor and gotten antibiotics - he would most likely be alive.
How is that "not even remotely the same"?
These are EXACLTY the same.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I wish I was smart!

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
I wish I was smart!

flan

Tell me how these aren't the same? Give one difference.

Tinydancer · Guru

She won't. Flan never answers direct questions.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I wish I was smart!

flan
Tell me how these aren't the same? Give one difference.

Let me see - the ONLY differences I can think of is that she doesn't know the family's general stance on medicine, and they don't live in a camper.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
I wish I was smart!

flan

I can't find anything to argue with in this response.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Did his parents REJECT "modern medicine?"

No.

Did he live in a camper without heat & running water?

You're a lawyer. Apparently you are never wrong.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Did his parents REJECT "modern medicine?"

No.

Did he live in a camper without heat & running water?

You're a lawyer. Apparently you are never wrong.

flan

#1 You do not know this.

# 2 You do not know that the other child didn't have electricity and running waters. As I pointed out, there are a lot of campers that people live in WITH electricity and running water. Even *gasp* children...

Tinydancer · Guru

Do you know they didn't?

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Did his parents REJECT "modern medicine?"

No.

Did he live in a camper without heat & running water?

You're a lawyer. Apparently you are never wrong.

flan

She is not wrong as often as you apparently...lol

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Did his parents REJECT "modern medicine?"

No.

Did he live in a camper without heat & running water?

You're a lawyer. Apparently you are never wrong.

flan

Neither one of those things have anything to do with either death. They are ASIDES. As a lawyer, I know how to cull out the RELEVANT facts - and you apparently do not. And you really don't know the answer to the first question, now do you?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Did his parents REJECT "modern medicine?"

No.

Did he live in a camper without heat & running water?

You're a lawyer. Apparently you are never wrong.

flan
She is not wrong as often as you apparently...lol

I actually admit when I'm wrong. It just happens so rarely, I understand the confusion.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Let's see -

Kid has common illness, parents do not seek medical treatment but instead treat symtoms at home.

Kid dies of freak infection that could have been treated with antibiotics.

Which case am I speaking of?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Did his parents REJECT "modern medicine?"

No.

Did he live in a camper without heat & running water?

You're a lawyer. Apparently you are never wrong.

flan
She is not wrong as often as you apparently...lol
I actually admit when I'm wrong. It just happens so rarely, I understand the confusion.

Ditto, LL!

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Of course, I actually have more opportunity to be wrong, because I'll answer questions rather than claim they are traps. So, ratio wise - I should get more slack, anyway.

Tinydancer · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Of course, I actually have more opportunity to be wrong, because I'll answer questions rather than claim they are traps. So, ratio wise - I should get more slack, anyway.

This made me giggle...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Of course, I actually have more opportunity to be wrong, because I'll answer questions rather than claim they are traps. So, ratio wise - I should get more slack, anyway.

Hey, I'm an English major, not a Math major...

biggrin

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lawyerlady wrote:
Let's see -

Kid has common illness, parents do not seek medical treatment but instead treat symtoms at home.

Kid dies of freak infection that could have been treated with antibiotics.

Which case am I speaking of?

Still waiting for any answer to this.....

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Wow. I had no idea bubonic plague was still a thing.

Kinda makes me want to go burn the yard.

Tinydancer · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Let's see -

Kid has common illness, parents do not seek medical treatment but instead treat symtoms at home.

Kid dies of freak infection that could have been treated with antibiotics.

Which case am I speaking of?
Still waiting for any answer to this.....

"crickets chirping"

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I love crickets.................................................

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Predictable.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

How red IS your neck?

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
How red IS your neck?

flan

Enough to know what a pile bull**** looks like.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Oh. And if you think I'm insulted by you calling me a redneck, you would be sadly mistaken.

Thanks for the compliment.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
I love crickets.................................................

flan

You love crickets but can't give a direct answer. Someday you'll learn how to actually debate an issue. I would have thought being a librarian you would at least have a rudimentary idea of how it's done.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
How red IS your neck?

flan

What does this have to do with ANYTHING? What, you can't debate an issue so you just start throwing out random insults?

I realize you are having problems with this thread because no one has yet posted an opinion you can simply agree with, but why not just stay away from it until then instead of this type of childish thing.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Because, LL, just because...

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Another non-answer. Good grief.

Tinydancer · Guru

Are you 5 flan?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Waiting for Flan to answer is like watching paint dry or grass grow.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

See we are still waiting.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

whoa wait, there is no mention that he actually contracted it from a dead rodent, it is just a theory, and where is the antibiotic refusal? There isn't one. Everyone just thought he had the flu.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
I want to know when his parents will be arrested since this could have been treated with antibiotics.

No, according to the other thread, we are "never" supposed to use antibiotics, so even if he had gotten to a doctor in time, their hands would be tied since we apparently are not supposed to use the tools of modern medicine to save lives.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Let's see -

Kid has common illness, parents do not seek medical treatment but instead treat symtoms at home.

Kid dies of freak infection that could have been treated with antibiotics.

Which case am I speaking of?
Still waiting for any answer to this.....

This one because on the other thread, they never had any intention of getting the kid looked at.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Let's see -

Kid has common illness, parents do not seek medical treatment but instead treat symtoms at home.

Kid dies of freak infection that could have been treated with antibiotics.

Which case am I speaking of?
Still waiting for any answer to this.....
This one because on the other thread, they never had any intention of getting the kid looked at.

THANK YOU.

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I didn't know the plague still existed.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Let's see -

Kid has common illness, parents do not seek medical treatment but instead treat symtoms at home.

Kid dies of freak infection that could have been treated with antibiotics.

Which case am I speaking of?
Still waiting for any answer to this.....
This one because on the other thread, they never had any intention of getting the kid looked at.

And you don't know these did, either. Until he started coughing up blood. Both parents took the kids to the hospital when it got DEADLY, but not before.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
whoa wait, there is no mention that he actually contracted it from a dead rodent, it is just a theory, and where is the antibiotic refusal? There isn't one. Everyone just thought he had the flu.

Read the other article that is linked - it tells you where he got it.

And neither parent sought medical attention. There was no REFUSAL of antibiotics on either, but neither went to the doctor for the ailment. Both treated a common illness at home because there was no THOUGHT that the illness would be a deadly infection.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The difference is that they aren't addicts living in a camper who are choosing drugs and alcohol or a life of sloth over getting up to work to support their children. But, I agree, parents aren't going to be thinking that an ear infection is possibly fatal. However, when they were trying to save their kid, mom is more worried about needles and "chemicals' than the life of her daughter. Hello. Something is off. However, should they be charged with trying to handle this at home? No. Unless there is some hard evidence that the kid slipped into a coma at home and they ignored it or something like that. They did seek medical attention and emergency care so they didn't totally eschew it so I don't think there is anything to charge necessarily.

As for the bubonic plague, that is scary. And, a terrible tragedy. And, most parents are just going to put their kid to bed thinking they have the flu and it will be gone in a few days.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Let's see -

Kid has common illness, parents do not seek medical treatment but instead treat symtoms at home.

Kid dies of freak infection that could have been treated with antibiotics.

Which case am I speaking of?
Still waiting for any answer to this.....
This one because on the other thread, they never had any intention of getting the kid looked at.
THANK YOU.
flan

You just could not wait for someone to agree with you...lol. Are you always hoping someone else will answer the questions for you? Do you live your life waiting for others to approve your opinion? Have you ever actually had a real debate about any issue?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The difference is that they aren't addicts living in a camper who are choosing drugs and alcohol or a life of sloth over getting up to work to support their children. But, I agree, parents aren't going to be thinking that an ear infection is possibly fatal. However, when they were trying to save their kid, mom is more worried about needles and "chemicals' than the life of her daughter. Hello. Something is off. However, should they be charged with trying to handle this at home? No. Unless there is some hard evidence that the kid slipped into a coma at home and they ignored it or something like that. They did seek medical attention and emergency care so they didn't totally eschew it so I don't think there is anything to charge necessarily.

As for the bubonic plague, that is scary. And, a terrible tragedy. And, most parents are just going to put their kid to bed thinking they have the flu and it will be gone in a few days.

Another poster pointing out the obvious differences in these 2 incidents...

flan