TOTALLY GEEKED!

So obliterating history will stop racism how? These people a really screwed up if they think this is right!

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I really find the term "liberals" used like this to be disagreeable. As if we all think the exact same thing and endorse everything in a collective secret vote of some kind. If they want to say "some liberals" or "a group of liberals" that is fine. But this is like saying all black people like watermelon. That just isn't true and is a gross generalization. Using the term "liberals" like this is just done to encourage divisiveness.

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AMEN!

So some idiot created a stupid map...

flan 

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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I really find the term "liberals" used like this to be disagreeable. As if we all think the exact same thing and endorse everything in a collective secret vote of some kind. If they want to say "some liberals" or "a group of liberals" that is fine. But this is like saying all black people like watermelon. That just isn't true and is a gross generalization. Using the term "liberals" like this is just done to encourage divisiveness.

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AMEN!

So some idiot created a stupid map...

flan 

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 And honestly, that idiot may or may not be a liberal. Who knows? 

Lets try and use language to explain and not inflame. 

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So do either of you disagree with them? Do you think the removal of "offensive" landmarks should occur?

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 I disagree 100%. If the people of the town want to celebrate a certain person they have that right. If the people of the town decide they don't want to celevrste that person any longer, they should go through whatever process is in place to remove that landmark or sign or whatever. The town has a right to erect whatever memorials represent the beliefs of the town as a whole - but NOT the beliefs of just a few people in the town. 

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Yet you want the flag removed? Where do you draw the line of "offensive"? Who gets to decide? So some find the flag offensive. You get to decide that? (You meaning you and all others that want it removed).

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 I only want the confederate flag removed from any state owned property. I don't think any flag other than the state or USA flag should be flown on government property. If it's private property, fly whatever flag you want. But if it's governtment property there should only be 2 flags flown. It has nothing to do with offensive to me. It has to do with the fact that it's government property and the flags flown should only be representative of the people as a whole. Not of any individual group of people, no matter how widely the beliefs are held that it represents. I also think it would be improper to fly the gay pride flag from government buildings or on government property. Again, it has nothing to do with being offensive to me. 

The flag hasn't flown on the State Capitol since 2000. It was removed, reduced in size, and placed next to a Confederate monument. And yes, it's on the Statehouse grounds. But are there any civil war (or any, for that matter) monuments, offensive or otherwise, that aren't erected on government property?

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The flag hasn't flown on the State Capitol since 2000. It was removed, reduced in size, and placed next to a Confederate monument. And yes, it's on the Statehouse grounds. But are there any civil war (or any, for that matter) monuments, offensive or otherwise, that aren't erected on government property?

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 Statehouse grounds is very very different in context from a battlefied. The statehouse and its grounds should be representative of all its people. A battlefield does not have such issues. 

The irony of all this is that for as many that scream "ban it," there are those who aren't screaming, but who are putting their money in their mouths and buying up the merchandise as a way to preserve it.

The person who created this map no more represents liberals any more than the bakery owners represent all conservatives. I think articles written like this one are extremely inflammatory. It makes it sound like all liberals are alike and coming to take your heritage away. I know a lot of liberal people and they would no more agree with this OP than I do. There are extremes in every ideology and the extremes make news. It does not mean the extremes speak for everyone.

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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The person who created this map no more represents liberals any more than the bakery owners represent all conservatives. I think articles written like this one are extremely inflammatory. It makes it sound like all liberals are alike and coming to take your heritage away. I know a lot of liberal people and they would no more agree with this OP than I do. There are extremes in every ideology and the extremes make news. It does not mean the extremes speak for everyone.

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 That seems like an issue for you to take up with the LIBERAL media.

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 Do you think the liberal media wrote the article in the OP?

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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The person who created this map no more represents liberals any more than the bakery owners represent all conservatives. I think articles written like this one are extremely inflammatory. It makes it sound like all liberals are alike and coming to take your heritage away. I know a lot of liberal people and they would no more agree with this OP than I do. There are extremes in every ideology and the extremes make news. It does not mean the extremes speak for everyone.

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 That seems like an issue for you to take up with the LIBERAL media.

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 Do you think the liberal media wrote the article in the OP?

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 No - but the liberals created the map.  The article in the OP was quoting liberals.

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 The artidle quoted a few liberals. When you say it quoted "liberals" it makes it sound like they speak for all liberals which they do not. They are individuals who have their own ideas who happen to also be liberal. They don't speak for everyone and I do not think the article should act like they do. That doesn't have anything to do with the "liberal media". 

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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The person who created this map no more represents liberals any more than the bakery owners represent all conservatives. I think articles written like this one are extremely inflammatory. It makes it sound like all liberals are alike and coming to take your heritage away. I know a lot of liberal people and they would no more agree with this OP than I do. There are extremes in every ideology and the extremes make news. It does not mean the extremes speak for everyone.

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 That seems like an issue for you to take up with the LIBERAL media.

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 Do you think the liberal media wrote the article in the OP?

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 No - but the liberals created the map.  The article in the OP was quoting liberals.

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 The artidle quoted a few liberals. When you say it quoted "liberals" it makes it sound like they speak for all liberals which they do not. They are individuals who have their own ideas who happen to also be liberal. They don't speak for everyone and I do not think the article should act like they do. That doesn't have anything to do with the "liberal media". 

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 The liberal media is quite responsible for how liberals are portrayed.  If you don't want to be lumped with them, then don't defend their crap.

And don't publish it. This came from a very popular Liberal news site...

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And don't publish it. This came for a very popular Liberal news site...

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 Then they are stupid for perpetuating it. 

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THE liberals didn't create the map. A few people who are liberals did. Word choice makes a difference.

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 As I said on the other thread - anyone who voted for Obama deserves to be lumped with them.  Did you vote for Obama?  If not, then this is not your issue to fight.  If you did, then you are one of them. There is absolutely no defensible excuse for voting for that man even once, let alone twice.

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 But we aren't talking about Obama, why cant I talk about the OP if I voted for him? Seems silly reasoning to me. 

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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THE liberals didn't create the map. A few people who are liberals did. Word choice makes a difference.

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 As I said on the other thread - anyone who voted for Obama deserves to be lumped with them.  Did you vote for Obama?  If not, then this is not your issue to fight.  If you did, then you are one of them. There is absolutely no defensible excuse for voting for that man even once, let alone twice.

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 But we aren't talking about Obama, why cant I talk about the OP if I voted for him? Seems silly reasoning to me. 

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 You are complaining about being lumped in with all liberals.  It is the same liberal mindset that elected Obama.

Can't wait until they start on the Revolutionary War monuments. They will have to nuke Massachusetts to get rid of them all.

Mellow Momma wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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THE liberals didn't create the map. A few people who are liberals did. Word choice makes a difference.

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 As I said on the other thread - anyone who voted for Obama deserves to be lumped with them.  Did you vote for Obama?  If not, then this is not your issue to fight.  If you did, then you are one of them. There is absolutely no defensible excuse for voting for that man even once, let alone twice.

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 But we aren't talking about Obama, why cant I talk about the OP if I voted for him? Seems silly reasoning to me. 

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 You are complaining about being lumped in with all liberals.  It is the same liberal mindset that elected Obama.

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 Actually that's on the other thread. On this thread I am complaining that the OP is written poorly and uses the word liberal as if all people have the same views on everything. The article is written using the word liberal as if all liberals got together and took a vote on the map and decided it was awesome. I think saying that "the liberals" published this or created this map is using poor language. It does not speak for all liberals any more than a map of KKK members speaks for all conservatives. 

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 It is the liberal party calling for all of this stuff.  If you are part of that party - you are one of them.  Don't want to be part of it, then get out of it.  THIS is what the Democratic party is becoming.  If you are saying you don't agree with all this, then it might be time to jump ship.

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Honestly, I've been around a few KKK members. They are ALL democrat.

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Can't wait until they start on the Revolutionary War monuments. They will have to nuke Massachusetts to get rid of them all.

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WHY in the world would THAT happen?

Get a grip.

flan

 

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Honestly, I've been around a few KKK members. They are ALL democrat.

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Of course they are.  The KKK was born in the South.  The South after the Civil War was dominated by Democratic politics.

 

Anti-slavery and equal rights are Northern, Republican positions.   

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 Anti-slavery perhaps, but not equal rights.  The North was not nice to blacks, either. 

Aren't the confederate sites state owned?

So if the banning happens on state owned grounds, it's gong to mean all those beautiful historic places are included.

And when are the things issued by the government going to remove all thing southern or slavery related?

It's well known Ben Franklin kept slaves. Jackson on the $20.

Of course the DoI will have to be removed. Can't have those slave owner's signatures displayed on such an important document.

Yep. Gonna have to completely scrub the whole thing.

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I was just point out to MM that equating Conservatives to KKK members was not the best of comparisons.

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No.  It's actually quite ignorant given the history of the movement.   

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Honestly, I've been around a few KKK members. They are ALL democrat.

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Of course they are.  The KKK was born in the South.  The South after the Civil War was dominated by Democratic politics.

 

Anti-slavery and equal rights are Northern, Republican positions.   

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 Anti-slavery perhaps, but not equal rights.  The North was not nice to blacks, either. 

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G is in Ontario right now.  In a lake town. It was established by black Americans. See, up until the 70s, black people could not own lakefront property in Michigan.  So they drove over the Detroit River and bought lakefront property there.  Lots of the Motown artists (Aretha, Marvin Gaye, Gladys Knight) that lived in Michigan (mostly Detroit at that time) bought land there because they were not allowed to buy it here.

So, no, the North is not the bastion of acceptance that people like to portray.