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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Meet the Peter Pan generation: Grown men forced to drop out of college and move back with parents

FNW · Guru

OMG! Those photos are hilarious. Poor me. Get up off your backs and do something.

And what's wrong with living at home while attending college and/or working towards a goal. I don't call that being lost. Some of those are doing that. The hitch hiker? Well, back in the day kids used to backpack around Europe for a year before starting college, so this is not new.

Personally, I moved "back" home at age 20 because I was escaping an abusive relationship. I remained there for several years until buying a house with my ex. During those "dark" years, I worked full-time and went to school at night. Sure, it was depressing for me to be "back at home", but I kept at it and eventually did something with my life. With the exception of maybe Nolan, they all look like they are still kids.

Ilumine · Regular

Not for nothing, but not a single one of these men moved home and continued on with their education. And they surely do not need to live at home with Mommy if they are NOT paying for tuition/books if they working, right?

So this has nothing to do with an inability to support themselves while going to school and everything to do with looking to excuse their lazyasses.

FNW · Guru

I don't think the parents are doing them any favors either. Yes, college is expensive. Did the parents not plan for this? Are they not helping? Can't they at least help them get student loans or grants? One guy got into Harvard. Didn't say he dropped out, so perhaps he finished and cannot find a job?

Personally, this really is not new. Failure to Launch.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I do think the cost of college has skyrocketed way more than the rate of inflation. Something needs to be done. Everyone is so caught up in healthcare costs- what about the out of control education costs?

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
I do think the cost of college has skyrocketed way more than the rate of inflation. Something needs to be done. Everyone is so caught up in healthcare costs- what about the out of control education costs?

I agree 100%. Education has been de-funded by the state governments and also the federal government. The funding has been drastically cut and the costs had to be passed along somehow. This is what happens when you don't prioritize government spending.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

FNW wrote:
I don't think the parents are doing them any favors either. Yes, college is expensive. Did the parents not plan for this? Are they not helping? Can't they at least help them get student loans or grants? One guy got into Harvard. Didn't say he dropped out, so perhaps he finished and cannot find a job?

Personally, this really is not new. Failure to Launch.

I dont know a lot of families who can afford a 400% increase in ANY bill, let alone college costs. A lot of families simply can't afford to contribute to that extent. They may have something saved, but it's nowhere near what is needed. And for anyone who hopes to qualify for financial aid, if you have separate bank accounts for each child in the parents and the child's name...the FAFSA requires you to count all the money you have saved for all your children towards the first child going to school. So if you have 5 kids and $50,000 saved ($10k for each child) the FAFSA considers that to be $50k you have to spend on the first kid whp gets to college. It's difficult for a lot of families to save when their wages have not increased at the same rate. I don't think it's fair to blame the families for not having the money.

Blame the families for not instilling the work ethic - this I agree with.

JPT · Senior Member

Trade school...a lot of those jobs are going begging for qualified bodies, and the pay is pretty darned impressive!

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

JPT wrote:
Trade school...a lot of those jobs are going begging for qualified bodies, and the pay is pretty darned impressive!

I totally agree! Not everyone is cut out for college. Our high schools seem to push everyone that direction - yet a lot of kids really have no desire to go and don't have the skills to finish.

Plumbers and electricians make really really good money. And if someone wanted to be their own boss and start their own company, they could pick and choose the jobs they wanted. It's a great way to make a really good living.

burns07 · Guru

wouldn't want to try anything too strenuous like the military--perhaps a career, life skills, discipline, work ethic, etc.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

burns07 wrote:

wouldn't want to try anything too strenuous like the military--perhaps a career, life skills, discipline, work ethic, etc.

I can't really blame people for not wanting to join the military while Obama is Commander in Chief.

burns07 · Guru

I can't really blame people for not wanting to join the military while Obama is Commander in Chief.
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true--but some of the critical career paths take several years and he'll be long gone ( or permanently gone ) before then

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

The photos look like bad soft porn...

flan

chillepeppa · Regular

flan327 wrote:
The photos look like bad soft porn...

flan

That was what i thought, like they were hoping to catch themselves some sugar mamas...

FNW · Guru

I know, right? The photos cracked me up.

huskerbb · Guru

Get a damn job. Jaysus. My kids are 20 and 21. They moved out on their own at 19 for the older one and 18 for the younger. There are jobs out there for people who want to work, especially young, healthy men. Quit being such losers.

huskerbb · Guru

burns07 wrote:

wouldn't want to try anything too strenuous like the military--perhaps a career, life skills, discipline, work ethic, etc.

I agree--but-- the military is cutting forces so much they are pretty picky about who gets in. Some certainly could, though.

NAOW · Vette's SS

huskerbb wrote:
Get a damn job. Jaysus. My kids are 20 and 21. They moved out on their own at 19 for the older one and 18 for the younger. There are jobs out there for people who want to work, especially young, healthy men. Quit being such losers.

No joke. I did one semester of college out of high school and it wasn't for me. So I got a job and a house to rent and started my life. It did not even occur to me to go sponge off my parents. I learned some new skills and improved my resume until I could get a better job. It might take longer, but it is entirely possible to work your way into a career and decent paycheck. And it's much more respectable than doing nothing.

JPT · Senior Member

Lawyerlady wrote:
burns07 wrote:

wouldn't want to try anything too strenuous like the military--perhaps a career, life skills, discipline, work ethic, etc.
I can't really blame people for not wanting to join the military while Obama is Commander in Chief.

Well, considering more of them died under the previous president...ummm...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

JPT wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
burns07 wrote:

wouldn't want to try anything too strenuous like the military--perhaps a career, life skills, discipline, work ethic, etc.
I can't really blame people for not wanting to join the military while Obama is Commander in Chief.
Well, considering more of them died under the previous president...ummm...

Go poll them. Ask them which one they would rather die for.

burns07 · Guru

No joke. I did one semester of college out of high school and it wasn't for me. So I got a job and a house to rent and started my life. It did not even occur to me to go sponge off my parents. I learned some new skills and improved my resume until I could get a better job. It might take longer, but it is entirely possible to work your way into a career and decent paycheck. And it's much more respectable than doing nothing.
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bless you--you have true work ethic--and congratulations on your success ( in the past and in the future )

FNW · Guru

I knew several secret service men who bailed when Clinton was in office, too.

burns07 · Guru

know several ss folks--their loyalty is to the office, not to the man--arguably the only reason we've had to endure this administration for many years versus a couple

Ilumine · Regular

College expenses have nothing to do with State and Federal defunding. Total Bullscheiße!

The time of a Non-Profit University is gone. NO ONE can tell me that it literally takes $20 to $50 THOUSAND dollars per student to run a university. There are 2590 students living on SUNY Brockport's campus at $11,000 per year. That's $28,490,000 this school brings in EVERY SINGLE YEAR. There is NO WAY it costs THAT MUCH MONEY to cover the costs of housing these adults.

Over the lifetime of a 4 years, that is $113,960,000 million dollars. Again, someone has to tell me how, even with the loss state and federal funding, there is no way $114 million dollars isn't going to be able to cover the utilities, food, support staff and building maintenance. Its not as if they have to reroof, repaint, rewire, the buildings every 4 years. Its not like they are need to buy all new ovens/fridges for every meal halls every 4 years.

And that does not even TOUCH the TUITION portion. Its $15,820 per year. So given that there are 7,000 students enrolled that's $110,740,000 a year. Even if you take 1/2 of that out for the support of the education halls, thats $55,370,000 a year.
But over a 4 year period, that comes to $221,480,000.

The problem is not with the Student Loan programs/laws or with the federal government funding or not funding the school. It has everything to do with crap management and an entitlement attitude with the Educators and Senior Staff.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Nothing to do with college, but a young person living at home isn't a bad thing.

I didn't read the article. But around this area, it isn't uncommon for people to live at home till they marry.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Nothing to do with college, but a young person living at home isn't a bad thing.

I didn't read the article. But around this area, it isn't uncommon for people to live at home till they marry.

A young person who does nothing? Yes it is.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Who says they are doing nothing?

They are working, going to school, taking care of the land.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Who says they are doing nothing?

They are working, going to school, taking care of the land.

Doesn't appear that way from the article.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And I said I didn't read the article. I was simply commenting in general.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
And I said I didn't read the article. I was simply commenting in general.

in general, they are doing mostly nothing. You might know some exceptions, but the exceptions do not the rule make.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Well, it's the rule around my neck of the woods.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Nothing to do with college, but a young person living at home isn't a bad thing.

I didn't read the article. But around this area, it isn't uncommon for people to live at home till they marry.

I don't have a problem with it. DH's friend has lived with his mother all his life. She was a widow early on and he never moved out. When he got married and had kids, he bought a house and she moved in with them. My son is 19 and living at home because he is commuting to a local college. My kids are welcome to live at home. But, they must help take care of the house and they must be working or at least truly looking for work.

huskerbb · Guru

Cut the cord.

JPT · Senior Member

Lawyerlady wrote:
JPT wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
burns07 wrote:

wouldn't want to try anything too strenuous like the military--perhaps a career, life skills, discipline, work ethic, etc.
I can't really blame people for not wanting to join the military while Obama is Commander in Chief.
Well, considering more of them died under the previous president...ummm...
Go poll them. Ask them which one they would rather die for.

The ones I know swore to defend the Constitution, and obey the lawful orders given by their superior. Luckily we live in a country where the military is loyal to the oath, not a PERSONALITY.

I can totally sympathize LL, because I haven't seen a Republican candidate I like in many decades. The current crop is even more unlikeable than the last!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Nothing to do with college, but a young person living at home isn't a bad thing.

I didn't read the article. But around this area, it isn't uncommon for people to live at home till they marry.
I don't have a problem with it. DH's friend has lived with his mother all his life. She was a widow early on and he never moved out. When he got married and had kids, he bought a house and she moved in with them. My son is 19 and living at home because he is commuting to a local college. My kids are welcome to live at home. But, they must help take care of the house and they must be working or at least truly looking for work.

I have an uncle who is 60 and has never lived on his own. Never married, no kids.

He has worked since high school and helped buy and flip about 10 houses. They buy them, pawpaw and uncle, live in them and completely remodel them then sell them.

He is still with mawmaw and it helps her have as much independence as possible and she still feels needed.

I honestly don't know what he is going to do when mawmaw is no longer there.

huskerbb · Guru

Norman bates

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

You would go there. With your vile mind.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I do think the cost of college has skyrocketed way more than the rate of inflation. Something needs to be done. Everyone is so caught up in healthcare costs- what about the out of control education costs?
I agree 100%. Education has been de-funded by the state governments and also the federal government. The funding has been drastically cut and the costs had to be passed along somehow. This is what happens when you don't prioritize government spending.

Actually all the easy loans to get for college is one significant cause of the rise in tuition rates. Akin to the housing bubble.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I do think the cost of college has skyrocketed way more than the rate of inflation. Something needs to be done. Everyone is so caught up in healthcare costs- what about the out of control education costs?
I agree 100%. Education has been de-funded by the state governments and also the federal government. The funding has been drastically cut and the costs had to be passed along somehow. This is what happens when you don't prioritize government spending.
Actually all the easy loans to get for college is one significant cause of the rise in tuition rates. Akin to the housing bubble.

They had to make the loans easy to get because the schools were not being funded anymore, so the students needed some way to pay for it.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
You would go there. With your vile mind.

Don't like the comparison to the fictional character--then Ed Gein.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Mellow Momma wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I do think the cost of college has skyrocketed way more than the rate of inflation. Something needs to be done. Everyone is so caught up in healthcare costs- what about the out of control education costs?
I agree 100%. Education has been de-funded by the state governments and also the federal government. The funding has been drastically cut and the costs had to be passed along somehow. This is what happens when you don't prioritize government spending.
Actually all the easy loans to get for college is one significant cause of the rise in tuition rates. Akin to the housing bubble.
They had to make the loans easy to get because the schools were not being funded anymore, so the students needed some way to pay for it.

Not true of our state schools. And our state schools attract a lot of people due to the sports and academics. They easy money made it so dumb parents would advise their kids to take out loans to pay for college. Funny thing is in my state, we have one of the highest state tuition rates but one of the lowest total loan balance. We have good schools. Point of my first post is you decrease the supply of money and the colleges cannot wildly increase tuition and professor salary because the money isn't there. It will take a long time to recover from those mistakes.

Ilumine · Regular

Mellow Momma wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I do think the cost of college has skyrocketed way more than the rate of inflation. Something needs to be done. Everyone is so caught up in healthcare costs- what about the out of control education costs?
I agree 100%. Education has been de-funded by the state governments and also the federal government. The funding has been drastically cut and the costs had to be passed along somehow. This is what happens when you don't prioritize government spending.
Actually all the easy loans to get for college is one significant cause of the rise in tuition rates. Akin to the housing bubble.
They had to make the loans easy to get because the schools were not being funded anymore, so the students needed some way to pay for it.

Please please please please please explain to me where the $28,500,00 million dollars A YEAR for the 2,590 on campus housed students at SUNY Brockport is going towards. And that is JUST room and board. So those monies are only applied to the dorms, not the dinning halls or classroom buildings. Yearly Maintenance is not that expensive (I was on our Condo Board and I have a pretty good idea what it costs to maintain a building AND I worked for an HBCU President).

The problem is, colleges became fiefdoms, especially the non-for profit ones. When I worked at my HBCU, the president was making $700,000 a year, PLUS living in a house paid for by the college, PLUS having a school paid chauffeur and housekeeper (who made their meals). And while that is an abnormally crazy case, the average salary for a University President is $300,000 plus perks (like cars and/or drivers, memberships to local country clubs, extreme severance and retirement packages and housing allowances). And those perks extend to other administrators and special professors.

This is why i struggle to get behind the disgust towards For Profit Universities. The only difference between University of Phoenix and University of Chicago is that one is HONEST about where the money goes.

Ilumine · Regular

Mellow Momma wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I do think the cost of college has skyrocketed way more than the rate of inflation. Something needs to be done. Everyone is so caught up in healthcare costs- what about the out of control education costs?
I agree 100%. Education has been de-funded by the state governments and also the federal government. The funding has been drastically cut and the costs had to be passed along somehow. This is what happens when you don't prioritize government spending.
Actually all the easy loans to get for college is one significant cause of the rise in tuition rates. Akin to the housing bubble.
They had to make the loans easy to get because the schools were not being funded anymore, so the students needed some way to pay for it.

And honestly, I will be damned it my tax payer dollars are going to go to pay the bloated salaries of the administration & professors and crazy cakes special offers (have you ever read what the University of GA's dinning halls make) on top of then having to pay for these crazy costs directly when my kids are IN college. NO NO NO.

Why should I support Harvard University President's $1million dollar salary (not including the perks) when my kid isn't even going to Harvard? NOPE NOPE NOPE.

burns07 · Guru

when we were still a merit-based society, before AA and " diversity " and " wealth redistribution " ( still have to laugh at that iconic term, straight from marx ) there was an absolute truism in America--taught to me by my father and his father before him going back a long way in time--" you get what you pay for "

unfortunately, it is no longer the standard in our culture--regardless of the cost now, you're more likely forced to accept mediocrity

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Hard truth.

DemoniaD · Senior Member

I want to know who forces them in to dropping out and moving home? And how exactly are they forced? It would seem to me there would be other options available in most if not all the cases, so........

TOTALLY GEEKED!

Meet the Peter Pan generation: Grown men dubbed 'America's Lost Boys' forced to drop out of college and move back with their parents because of rising living costs