It says "alleged". We don't know who "alleged". If he was having an asthmatic attack , the cops may have just said "Oh he's on LSD". Let's see what toxicology says.

his wife, apparently, called the police. It's often a bad idea. If he was no threat--why call them? Why even pull over? If he was acting in a way that could have caused an accident--then he was a threat. They don't get to have it both ways.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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You are right. Calling the Police for anything now is a "bad idea". I used to believe the Police were there to help. And, would help professionally and also in a way that minimize harm to anyone. Now, that simply isn't the case anymore.

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 Not only is there that possibility, but you take a chance on things not going the way you want.  WTF did she expect them to do?  Just watch him run around?  She could have done that by herself.  

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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You are right. Calling the Police for anything now is a "bad idea". I used to believe the Police were there to help. And, would help professionally and also in a way that minimize harm to anyone. Now, that simply isn't the case anymore.

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 Not only is there that possibility, but you take a chance on things not going the way you want.  WTF did she expect them to do?  Just watch him run around?  She could have done that by herself.  

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Was it her job to figure out what they should do?  She wanted them to help him be safe and probably get him in an ambulance or maybe they had an epi pen or something.  I dont' think she expected them to MURDER her husband.  Wow. 

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 We don't know why he died, so to call it murder at this point is prematrue, to say the least.  Beyond that, he resisted.  There's only so much you can do when someone resists.  Playing tiddly winks with him at that point is not going to happen. They did, in fact, aid in getting him into the ambulance.

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If you sit on someone to the point that they can't breathe and they suffocate, I think that is called murder.

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 We do not know at this point that is how he died.  Also, he was resisting the police.  Accidental death is more likely even if that is how he died--and that's a big IF.

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Let's wait toxicology. If he was on LSD, then yes, he may have gone bezerk in a bad way. If he was having an asthma attack and suffocating from hypoxia and acting erratically, that is a different thing. Acting erracting, btw, doen'st mean the police need to KILL you either. Sheesh.

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 I am waiting on the autopsy.  You are the one screaming murder.  I'm saying we don't know.  

 

Either way, they didn't do it deliberately, so to say nonsense like "need to kill" is absurd.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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It won't matter for you either way. You assume the police are right no matter what. Even if they choke and kill a guy for selling loose cigarettes. Welcome to the Totalitarian State.

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 LOL!!!!  Have you ever read any of my posts?  I pretty much hate the po-po.  I would almost never recommend getting them involved.  I thought the guy in Ferguson Missouri should have been charged with murder.

 

Youve lost it.

The crazy thing is, teachers learn restraint techniques. Why don't police? Have you ever tried restraining a wild, kicking, screaming, elementary school child ? It's like trying to catch a greased pig. If tiny old ladies can do it, police officers should be able to as well.

Especially since there are so many of them that typically respond to the simplest of calls. I got pulled over for not wearing my seatbelt (I had it on, it's black and so was my top and the officer couldn't see it) and 3 cruisers surrounded my car as the officer ran my license and plates. 6 total officers got out of the car and surrounded me for a seatbelt infraction that I didn't even commit. It was ridiculous. As the officer gave me back my license and I asked him why the big response and show of force for such a small infraction, he put his hand on his gun, and said loudly and with force "this is the way we do things here ma'am. Do you have a problem with that?" Ridiculous.

I agree that may have been the case. I would be interested in knowing what techniques the police tried or did they go directly to hog tying him ? Is it even legal to tie someone up like that? Why didn't they pepper spray him to subdue him ? So many choices...

People saying "I can't breathe" should be a clue as well! Perhaps he needed assistance! Duh! 

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Tuesday 21st of July 2015 11:34:18 AM

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his wife, apparently, called the police. It's often a bad idea. If he was no threat--why call them? Why even pull over? If he was acting in a way that could have caused an accident--then he was a threat. They don't get to have it both ways.

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 They were allegedly TOLD he took LSD.  I agree - they can't have it both ways.  Either he was acting so whacked his wife had to pull over and call the cops, or he wasn't.  Which is it?

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 That's my main beef.  They are NOW saying he was "no threat"--but normally cops aren't called unless there is some perceived threat of some sort.

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This guy brought this on himself.

It's a sad turn of events.

But if he hadn't been doing what he was doing, he wouldn't be dead.

Police are trained to serve and protect. Not diagnose and treat.

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 Yup. Its beyond sad this guy died.  However, it's not like they shot an unarmed man.  They didn't intentionally use deadly force--even IF their actions were the proximate cause of death.