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I suspect my friend of grooming an 11-year-old girl for molestation.

 
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Dear Prudence,
I live in a close-knit community, and my husband and I are, or were, close friends with a couple who live in our apartment building. We are all in our late 50s. In our community there is a single mother with an 11-year-old daughter, and many of us are friends with the mother. The husband of the couple who lives in our building offered to be a father figure for the 11-year-old because her father is not in the girl’s life. He tutored the girl in school subjects with which she was having trouble. One day the girl came to me and told me that while she was being tutored in “Mark’s” apartment, his wife had to go out. He then offered to read a book to her. He chose a book about teenagers’ changing bodies. He told her to sit on his lap, which she did, and they leafed through the book until they came to the parts about boys’ changing bodies, and there were drawings of boys’ erect penises and “Mark” asked her if she had ever seen an erect penis. After she told me this, I arranged for her to talk with an experienced social worker. The social worker is convinced that Mark did not molest her, and while what he did was clearly inappropriate, it is not reportable or prosecutable. I can’t get this scenario out of my head. My husband and I confronted this couple. They think that Mark has done nothing wrong and Mark’s wife is adamant that he didn’t do anything inappropriate. We no longer speak to them. When people in the community ask why we are no longer friends with them, we don’t know what to say. We have not told people about this situation, but do we have an obligation to warn other parents about this, or is it slander? They still want to be friends with us, and keep inviting us to go out with them. Help!

—Friend No More

 

Dear Friends,
Obviously Mark’s mentoring was actually grooming. He’d been waiting for the day that his wife had to run some errands so he could proceed to lecture this little girl about male genitalia. It’s not hard to imagine what Mark has in mind for subsequent instruction. You are friends with the mother and you have taken the lead in getting this girl help. So now I hope you can convince the mother that her daughter has to tell this story to the police. You could offer to contact the special victims unit on their behalf—if your community has one—and start the reporting process. The social worker may be correct that nothing legally actionable has taken place, but it’s better to get the authorities involved as soon as possible. The police should pay a visit to Mark and his wife to find out what went on, while letting them know he’s on their radar and that a file has been opened (or possibly reopened). You should also ask the police about what can be done to keep other children safe from him. I wish you could hire a plane to fly a banner over your community warning parents about Mark’s tutoring service. But I agree that spreading this story could open you to potential liability, and even if you don’t name the girl her identity will be obvious, and her privacy needs to be taken into consideration. If people ask what happened to your friendship, you can say that unfortunately you and Mr. and Mrs. Mark had a falling out. It’s not clear from your letter whether Mark and his wife denied every part of the girl’s story, or just say that his actions were misconstrued. But you believe the child, so when they call again, explain that your friendship is over and they know why.

—Prudie



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Mark was completely out of line. Even if it had been a different book having an 11 yo girl that is not your child or grandchild sit on your lap is unacceptable behavior.

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His behavior is so creepy in so many ways. Everyone should keep their kids away from this man.

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Major red flags! This guy is a predator. He is just waiting for an opportunity.

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Gross. I can't believe the 11 year old was ok with that. I would have mortified.



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Gross. I can't believe the 11 year old was ok with that. I would have mortified.


 Yeah at 11 I doubt I would have sat on anyone's lap.  She must have felt something was off because she told the LW about the incident.



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Why does a man in his late 50s even HAVE that book in his house? My kids are grown and anything like that that we had around is long gone...

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11 year old told and the parents blew it off. Now she is in real danger.

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Ohfour wrote:

Why does a man in his late 50s even HAVE that book in his house? My kids are grown and anything like that that we had around is long gone...


 Huh, good question.  I didn't even think of that.



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Southern_Belle wrote:

11 year old told and the parents blew it off. Now she is in real danger.


 I don't know what her mom did because LW doesn't say.  It was the perv & his wife that blew it off as nothing.  It makes you wonder if the wife is also a perv or an enabler at the very least.



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I misread, I thought the parents had been told. LW really needs to tell the mother, now!

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Southern_Belle wrote:

I misread, I thought the parents had been told. LW really needs to tell the mother, now!


 I found it weird that she called a social worker before calling the mom.  Maybe she did tell the mom & just left that part out since it wasn't really relevant to her actual question.



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I want to now what the girl's mother thought about all this.

This man is sick and the mother needs to keep her daughter away from him and his wife who is either in denial or a co-conspirator.

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Well. She needed to tell the mom if she hasnt.

But she also talked to a professional who said it was nothing.

So now what?

Well. No matter what you think, you don't go smear someones name without more to prove it happened.

Not saying it didn't happen, but like others said, at 11, what girl is going to sit in a man's lap?

I don't know. It seems something is off about it all.

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Something is off about Mark.

My child would not be back in his apartment or be alone with him ever again.

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chef wrote:

Something is off about Mark.

My child would not be back in his apartment or be alone with him ever again.


 But first, you would need the information. 

The LW hasn't told the mom.



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My first question is why didn't the LW tell the girl's mother? That's just weird.

And if Prudie edited it out, then bad call, Prudie. You're messing us up here on the message board.

We need all the facts in order to discuss this to death.



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Someone on Husker's version of the thread also suggested that there is no reason to go to the police; I would go anyways. The social worker doesn't know if this guy has a previous record, or is on probation or is on a watch list, or anything else, so I think that bringing the police into the equation - even if there is no actionable crime - just to be sure that there isn't more going on that the police need for their file.

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Southern_Belle wrote:

11 year old told and the parents blew it off. Now she is in real danger.


I don't see how the parents "blew it off" here.  A social worker was contacted and visited with the girl and the perv.  He didn't, in fact, commit a crime, so I'm not sure what else you think they should do. 

Also, it's not "parents", it's parent.  Single mom, as the article says.  



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11 year old told and the parents blew it off. Now she is in real danger.


I don't see how the parents "blew it off" here.  A social worker was contacted and visited with the girl and the perv.  He didn't, in fact, commit a crime, so I'm not sure what else you think they should do. 

Also, it's not "parents", it's parent.  Single mom, as the article says.  


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Tignanello wrote:

Someone on Husker's version of the thread also suggested that there is no reason to go to the police; I would go anyways. The social worker doesn't know if this guy has a previous record, or is on probation or is on a watch list, or anything else, so I think that bringing the police into the equation - even if there is no actionable crime - just to be sure that there isn't more going on that the police need for their file.


I suggested that.  If they are going to second guess the social worker--then why get them involved in the first place? 

 

From what we know, there was no crime committed.  They can't arrest him for not committing a crime.  



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chef wrote:

Something is off about Mark.

My child would not be back in his apartment or be alone with him ever again.


Well, that's a given.  Although, to be fair, the mom didn't know she would be alone with him.  His wife was there and then left.  



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If the LW didn't tell the girl's mother right away--before getting the social worker involved--then the LW is as big of a dupe as the guy's wife is.

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The LW needs to tell the girl's mom, and the mom needs to talk to the daughter AND tell her she needs to stay away from him and why.

The SW didn't say nothing was wrong with what he did. She said that no crime had been committed. Which is true.

The LW was correct to report it to CP, but she should also have talked to the girl's mother.

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The social worker is worthless. This guy was grooming that girl. When stopped most likely moved on to some other girl. Sick.

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The social worker is worthless. This guy was grooming that girl. When stopped most likely moved on to some other girl. Sick.


????  Of course he was grooming her--that's not in question.  I guess I don't know what else you would expect the social worker to do, though, or why you think they were "worthless". 

 

No crime was committed at this point--thank God.  There's not much more that can be done.  



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