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ed11563 · Guru

Can Car Talk Convince People to Stop Idling? A Reader's Plea

weltschmerz · Guru

Idling your car for more than a few minutes is against the law here. More pollution, more wasting of resources and damaging to the environment.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Tuesday 28th of July 2015 02:54:30 PM

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

People need to mind their own business.

Ohfour · Hooker

G starts my car for me every morning. To either warm it up or cool it off.

Yes, people need to mind their own damn business. Neb****ters...

weltschmerz · Guru

That's right...I'll pollute needlessly if I want to, and nobody can stop me. Screw you.
I'll continue to use plastic bags because it's more convenient, and never mind all the dead marine life. Screw them.
I'm American and NOBODY tells me what to do!

Sounds about right. I've heard it a million times.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Yes. I am American and I will do what I want, within the law, in my country.

Every car in the nation could idol a whole tank of gas out at the same time and wouldn't be a nth of the natural gases given off from the swamps, animals, and rotting things in the same amount of time.

Tinydancer · Guru

Unless you don't waste a single damn thing you really have no right to criticize others.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
That's right...I'll pollute needlessly if I want to, and nobody can stop me. Screw you.
I'll continue to use plastic bags because it's more convenient, and never mind all the dead marine life. Screw them.
I'm American and NOBODY tells me what to do!

Sounds about right. I've heard it a million times.

You sound a tad jealous....

Tinydancer · Guru

Canadian?

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
That's right...I'll pollute needlessly if I want to, and nobody can stop me. Screw you.
I'll continue to use plastic bags because it's more convenient, and never mind all the dead marine life. Screw them.
I'm American and NOBODY tells me what to do!

Sounds about right. I've heard it a million times.
You sound a tad jealous....

LOL! If I wanted to be American, I would have stayed in the USA.

Ohfour · Hooker

Tinydancer wrote:
Canadian?

Not at all obvious is it?

Tinydancer · Guru

Because Canadians never waste anything...Only us Americans...lol

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

I idle a little in the driveway in winter just to get the oil moving but generally I'm running late in the morning (yes damn near every morning) so I don't dawdle & leaving work, well I just want to get home so no idling there either.

My previous roommate had this old diesel p/u that he'd let idle for 15 minutes every morning. I'm sure the neighbors loved it. Actually I know it bugged some because they reported him to the HOA & wanted the truck to have to park out on the main road where commercial vehicles parked.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Well, the whole 98 degree thing and turning your car off until it gets uncomfortable and then turning it back on is just STOOOOOPID. How many threads have we had about how quickly the inside of a car heats up? Hello - even with the windows down, it's still 98 flippin degrees - so yes, I will keep my car running with my air on while sitting in my car in extremely hot weather. I prefer to waste my money on the gas than the doctor's visit for heat stroke - but hey, that's just me.

And when I lived in Michigan, you are damn straight I "warmed up" my car. It was necessary to keep from being a popsicle, and to help defrost my Windows. And I dare ANYONE from the north, whether northern U.S. or Canada to deny they "warm up" their cars in the winter (when parked outside), because if they do - they are a damn liar.

However, from the O.P. - yes the semi truck thing is ridiculous. However, I'd be calling code enforcement and not bothering to complain about the idling.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Tuesday 28th of July 2015 03:45:02 PM

Scooby · Newbie

The semi truck thing doesn't bother me. If it's very hot or very cold, he needs to cool it off or warm it up too. He's probably gone a week or more so what does 30 minutes one day matter? Then a week later he's back and idles 30 more minutes. I don't see a big deal.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Scooby wrote:
The semi truck thing doesn't bother me. If it's very hot or very cold, he needs to cool it off or warm it up too. He's probably gone a week or more so what does 30 minutes one day matter? Then a week later he's back and idles 30 more minutes. I don't see a big deal.

The semi bothers me more being in a residential neighborhood than the idling.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

weltschmerz wrote:
That's right...I'll pollute needlessly if I want to, and nobody can stop me. Screw you.
I'll continue to use plastic bags because it's more convenient, and never mind all the dead marine life. Screw them.
I'm American and NOBODY tells me what to do!

Sounds about right. I've heard it a million times.

I'm absolutely positive you leave a 0 percent carbon footprint.

LOL

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Scooby wrote:
The semi truck thing doesn't bother me. If it's very hot or very cold, he needs to cool it off or warm it up too. He's probably gone a week or more so what does 30 minutes one day matter? Then a week later he's back and idles 30 more minutes. I don't see a big deal.
The semi bothers me more being in a residential neighborhood than the idling.

Why, LL? You drive your car to work, he drives his semi FOR work.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

just Czech wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Scooby wrote:
The semi truck thing doesn't bother me. If it's very hot or very cold, he needs to cool it off or warm it up too. He's probably gone a week or more so what does 30 minutes one day matter? Then a week later he's back and idles 30 more minutes. I don't see a big deal.
The semi bothers me more being in a residential neighborhood than the idling.
Why, LL? You drive your car to work, he drives his semi FOR work.

In most residential neighborhoods no commercial vehicles can be there, even in your own driveway. They have to park out on the entrance road. It goes back to the whole HOA discussion. In my neighborhood even if it is a p/u but has signage on it you can't park it. If it has one of those magnetic signs you have to remove it overnight.

huskerbb · Guru

Lexxy wrote:
just Czech wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Scooby wrote:
The semi truck thing doesn't bother me. If it's very hot or very cold, he needs to cool it off or warm it up too. He's probably gone a week or more so what does 30 minutes one day matter? Then a week later he's back and idles 30 more minutes. I don't see a big deal.
The semi bothers me more being in a residential neighborhood than the idling.
Why, LL? You drive your car to work, he drives his semi FOR work.
In most residential neighborhoods no commercial vehicles can be there, even in your own driveway. They have to park out on the entrance road. It goes back to the whole HOA discussion. In my neighborhood even if it is a p/u but has signage on it you can't park it. If it has one of those magnetic signs you have to remove it overnight.

That is not "most" residential neighborhoods. it may apply to many newer suburban neighborhoods, but overall not "most". HOA's are relatively new, also.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

just Czech wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Scooby wrote:
The semi truck thing doesn't bother me. If it's very hot or very cold, he needs to cool it off or warm it up too. He's probably gone a week or more so what does 30 minutes one day matter? Then a week later he's back and idles 30 more minutes. I don't see a big deal.
The semi bothers me more being in a residential neighborhood than the idling.
Why, LL? You drive your car to work, he drives his semi FOR work.

Because it is a commercial vehicle and residential neighborhood roads are not made to withstand that type of traffic. PLUS, they make too much noise and they don't belong there. Yes, I drive TO work - my work is not at my home. Most residential neighborhoods are zoned against businesses in the neighborhood - that would include commercial vehicles.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
just Czech wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Scooby wrote:
The semi truck thing doesn't bother me. If it's very hot or very cold, he needs to cool it off or warm it up too. He's probably gone a week or more so what does 30 minutes one day matter? Then a week later he's back and idles 30 more minutes. I don't see a big deal.
The semi bothers me more being in a residential neighborhood than the idling.
Why, LL? You drive your car to work, he drives his semi FOR work.
Because it is a commercial vehicle and residential neighborhood roads are not made to withstand that type of traffic. PLUS, they make too much noise and they don't belong there. Yes, I drive TO work - my work is not at my home. Most residential neighborhoods are zoned against businesses in the neighborhood - that would include commercial vehicles.

So you've never had anything delivered on a tractor trailer? And no one in your neighborhood can?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
just Czech wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Scooby wrote:
The semi truck thing doesn't bother me. If it's very hot or very cold, he needs to cool it off or warm it up too. He's probably gone a week or more so what does 30 minutes one day matter? Then a week later he's back and idles 30 more minutes. I don't see a big deal.
The semi bothers me more being in a residential neighborhood than the idling.
Why, LL? You drive your car to work, he drives his semi FOR work.
Because it is a commercial vehicle and residential neighborhood roads are not made to withstand that type of traffic. PLUS, they make too much noise and they don't belong there. Yes, I drive TO work - my work is not at my home. Most residential neighborhoods are zoned against businesses in the neighborhood - that would include commercial vehicles.
So you've never had anything delivered on a tractor trailer? And no one in your neighborhood can?

A tractor trailer? No. Box trucks - sure. But even those are not daily. Semis do not belong in neighborhoods tearing up the roads, making all sorts of ruckus.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

huskerbb wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
just Czech wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Scooby wrote:
The semi truck thing doesn't bother me. If it's very hot or very cold, he needs to cool it off or warm it up too. He's probably gone a week or more so what does 30 minutes one day matter? Then a week later he's back and idles 30 more minutes. I don't see a big deal.
The semi bothers me more being in a residential neighborhood than the idling.
Why, LL? You drive your car to work, he drives his semi FOR work.
In most residential neighborhoods no commercial vehicles can be there, even in your own driveway. They have to park out on the entrance road. It goes back to the whole HOA discussion. In my neighborhood even if it is a p/u but has signage on it you can't park it. If it has one of those magnetic signs you have to remove it overnight.
That is not "most" residential neighborhoods. it may apply to many newer suburban neighborhoods, but overall not "most". HOA's are relatively new, also.

I guess I should have said in most residential neighborhoods where I live. I am in suburbia. All the neighborhoods are 20 years or newer.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
just Czech wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Scooby wrote:
The semi truck thing doesn't bother me. If it's very hot or very cold, he needs to cool it off or warm it up too. He's probably gone a week or more so what does 30 minutes one day matter? Then a week later he's back and idles 30 more minutes. I don't see a big deal.
The semi bothers me more being in a residential neighborhood than the idling.
Why, LL? You drive your car to work, he drives his semi FOR work.
Because it is a commercial vehicle and residential neighborhood roads are not made to withstand that type of traffic. PLUS, they make too much noise and they don't belong there. Yes, I drive TO work - my work is not at my home. Most residential neighborhoods are zoned against businesses in the neighborhood - that would include commercial vehicles.
So you've never had anything delivered on a tractor trailer? And no one in your neighborhood can?
A tractor trailer? No. Box trucks - sure. But even those are not daily. Semis do not belong in neighborhoods tearing up the roads, making all sorts of ruckus.

How can any company possibly know that before they ship something to an address? That's absurd. What if someone hires mayflower to move? They can't unload their belongings? I highly doubt those rules apply to deliveries.

Ohfour · Hooker

We've had lumber and cabinets and all kids of stuff delivered on a tractor trailer. I see at least a couple a month in our neighborhood.

And the guy in the post wasn't there every day. Most likely one a week, if that.

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
We've had lumber and cabinets and all kids of stuff delivered on a tractor trailer. I see at least a couple a month in our neighborhood.

And the guy in the post wasn't there every day. Most likely one a week, if that.

Sofa, TV....

weltschmerz · Guru

just Czech wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
That's right...I'll pollute needlessly if I want to, and nobody can stop me. Screw you.
I'll continue to use plastic bags because it's more convenient, and never mind all the dead marine life. Screw them.
I'm American and NOBODY tells me what to do!

Sounds about right. I've heard it a million times.
I'm absolutely positive you leave a 0 percent carbon footprint.
LOL

I do my absolute best to leave as small carbon footprint as possible.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
just Czech wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
That's right...I'll pollute needlessly if I want to, and nobody can stop me. Screw you.
I'll continue to use plastic bags because it's more convenient, and never mind all the dead marine life. Screw them.
I'm American and NOBODY tells me what to do!

Sounds about right. I've heard it a million times.
I'm absolutely positive you leave a 0 percent carbon footprint.
LOL
I do my absolute best to leave as small carbon footprint as possible.

Do you own a car?

weltschmerz · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, the whole 98 degree thing and turning your car off until it gets uncomfortable and then turning it back on is just STOOOOOPID. How many threads have we had about how quickly the inside of a car heats up? Hello - even with the windows down, it's still 98 flippin degrees - so yes, I will keep my car running with my air on while sitting in my car in extremely hot weather. I prefer to waste my money on the gas than the doctor's visit for heat stroke - but hey, that's just me.

And when I lived in Michigan, you are damn straight I "warmed up" my car. It was necessary to keep from being a popsicle, and to help defrost my Windows. And I dare ANYONE from the north, whether northern U.S. or Canada to deny they "warm up" their cars in the winter (when parked outside), because if they do - they are a damn liar.

However, from the O.P. - yes the semi truck thing is ridiculous. However, I'd be calling code enforcement and not bothering to complain about the idling.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Tuesday 28th of July 2015 03:45:02 PM

You don't need to warm up the car. I certainly don't...it warms up while I'm driving. I don't have such a delicate azz that I'll freeze to death in the few minutes it takes to warm up.

But it turns out that this idea of idling your car during the winter is just wrong. And so are the many, many Americans who believe it -- one 2009 study found that on average, Americans thought they should idle for over 5 minutes before driving when temperatures were below 32 degrees!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/12/29/the-biggest-winter-energy-myth-that-you-need-to-idle-your-car-before-driving/

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
just Czech wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
That's right...I'll pollute needlessly if I want to, and nobody can stop me. Screw you.
I'll continue to use plastic bags because it's more convenient, and never mind all the dead marine life. Screw them.
I'm American and NOBODY tells me what to do!

Sounds about right. I've heard it a million times.
I'm absolutely positive you leave a 0 percent carbon footprint.
LOL
I do my absolute best to leave as small carbon footprint as possible.
Do you own a car?

Yep! A 15 year old car with less than 40,000 miles on it. I take public transit a lot. Sometimes I HAVE to take the car, but otherwise, no.

Ohfour · Hooker

I don't think I SHOULD, I just do. I don't like to be cold, so I'm not...

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
just Czech wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
That's right...I'll pollute needlessly if I want to, and nobody can stop me. Screw you.
I'll continue to use plastic bags because it's more convenient, and never mind all the dead marine life. Screw them.
I'm American and NOBODY tells me what to do!

Sounds about right. I've heard it a million times.
I'm absolutely positive you leave a 0 percent carbon footprint.
LOL
I do my absolute best to leave as small carbon footprint as possible.

No, you don't. do you set your furnace over 50 degrees Fahrenheit? Do you have a hot water heater? How about an AC (maybe you don't have that in Canada)? Own a pet?

There are a TON of things that would be "possible" for you to do that you don't. You make choices based on your needs and convenience--JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, snowflake.

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
just Czech wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
That's right...I'll pollute needlessly if I want to, and nobody can stop me. Screw you.
I'll continue to use plastic bags because it's more convenient, and never mind all the dead marine life. Screw them.
I'm American and NOBODY tells me what to do!

Sounds about right. I've heard it a million times.
I'm absolutely positive you leave a 0 percent carbon footprint.
LOL
I do my absolute best to leave as small carbon footprint as possible.
No, you don't. do you set your furnace over 50 degrees Fahrenheit? Do you have a hot water heater? How about an AC (maybe you don't have that in Canada)? Own a pet?

There are a TON of things that would be "possible" for you to do that you don't. You make choices based on your needs and convenience--JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, snowflake.

Furnace? I use Hydroelectricity, which is renewable kinetic energy. Quebec gets about 95% of all it's energy from kinetic energy.

I never said I have a zero carbon footprint. I said I try to minimize it as much as I can.

You Republicans are so funny. This isn't my first go-round on this matter. Evidently, if I don't live in a cave, heat with dung and wear hemp underpants, I'm not a real environmentalist. Any shades of grey in your world?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

weltschmerz wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, the whole 98 degree thing and turning your car off until it gets uncomfortable and then turning it back on is just STOOOOOPID. How many threads have we had about how quickly the inside of a car heats up? Hello - even with the windows down, it's still 98 flippin degrees - so yes, I will keep my car running with my air on while sitting in my car in extremely hot weather. I prefer to waste my money on the gas than the doctor's visit for heat stroke - but hey, that's just me.

And when I lived in Michigan, you are damn straight I "warmed up" my car. It was necessary to keep from being a popsicle, and to help defrost my Windows. And I dare ANYONE from the north, whether northern U.S. or Canada to deny they "warm up" their cars in the winter (when parked outside), because if they do - they are a damn liar.

However, from the O.P. - yes the semi truck thing is ridiculous. However, I'd be calling code enforcement and not bothering to complain about the idling.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Tuesday 28th of July 2015 03:45:02 PM
You don't need to warm up the car. I certainly don't...it warms up while I'm driving. I don't have such a delicate azz that I'll freeze to death in the few minutes it takes to warm up.
But it turns out that this idea of idling your car during the winter is just wrong. And so are the many, many Americans who believe it -- one 2009 study found that on average, Americans thought they should idle for over 5 minutes before driving when temperatures were below 32 degrees!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/12/29/the-biggest-winter-energy-myth-that-you-need-to-idle-your-car-before-driving/

Need to? No. But people do it because they are not going to stand there scraping ice off the car windows only to have them refrost in 3 seconds. So the car is on with the defrosters. And EVERYONE does it. People start their car and then they brush off snow and scrape the ice.

And even the car experts say to idle a bit if the temps are lower than 3. Which they are - regularly. Quite often a whole lot colder than that.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
We've had lumber and cabinets and all kids of stuff delivered on a tractor trailer. I see at least a couple a month in our neighborhood.

And the guy in the post wasn't there every day. Most likely one a week, if that.
Sofa, TV....

No one is having their TV delivered by a tractor trailer. Perhaps it's the vocabulary you are having issue with.

Tractor trailer -

Delivery truck -

Damn pics. Just google the images. A tractor trailer is an 18 wheeler. It is not delivering sofas to your house.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Tuesday 28th of July 2015 05:10:44 PM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And tractor trailers - a/k/a semi trucks are usually prohibited by LAW from parking on residential streets. Just check your local ordinances.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
We've had lumber and cabinets and all kids of stuff delivered on a tractor trailer. I see at least a couple a month in our neighborhood.

And the guy in the post wasn't there every day. Most likely one a week, if that.
Sofa, TV....
No one is having their TV delivered by a tractor trailer. Perhaps it's the vocabulary you are having issue with.

Tractor trailer -

Delivery truck -

Damn pics. Just google the images. A tractor trailer is an 18 wheeler. It is not delivering sofas to your house.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Tuesday 28th of July 2015 05:10:44 PM

Yes, it did. I know what a tractor trailer is. I'm licensed to drive one and im going to bet you are not.

A tractor trailer delivered my sofa and TV. It is becoming more of a common practice as many people make purchases online and companies hire long distance carriers to delver them. Box trucks are usually local.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
just Czech wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
That's right...I'll pollute needlessly if I want to, and nobody can stop me. Screw you.
I'll continue to use plastic bags because it's more convenient, and never mind all the dead marine life. Screw them.
I'm American and NOBODY tells me what to do!

Sounds about right. I've heard it a million times.
I'm absolutely positive you leave a 0 percent carbon footprint.
LOL
I do my absolute best to leave as small carbon footprint as possible.
No, you don't. do you set your furnace over 50 degrees Fahrenheit? Do you have a hot water heater? How about an AC (maybe you don't have that in Canada)? Own a pet?

There are a TON of things that would be "possible" for you to do that you don't. You make choices based on your needs and convenience--JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, snowflake.
Furnace? I use Hydroelectricity, which is renewable kinetic energy. Quebec gets about 95% of all it's energy from kinetic energy.
I never said I have a zero carbon footprint. I said I try to minimize it as much as I can.
You Republicans are so funny. This isn't my first go-round on this matter. Evidently, if I don't live in a cave, heat with dung and wear hemp underpants, I'm not a real environmentalist. Any shades of grey in your world?

So what if it is hydroelectricity, or not? It goes into the power grid. you don't get to choose what type of electricity you use. You aren't any more af an environmentalist than anyone else.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
And tractor trailers - a/k/a semi trucks are usually prohibited by LAW from parking on residential streets. Just check your local ordinances.

I'm betting that does not apply to deliveries, nor would they ticket a truck for making one.

As as far as my local ordinances go, we park trucks on residential streets all the time. I've done it since, you know, I actually know how to drive one.

Ohfour · Hooker

Like I said, a tractor trailer delivered my cabinets and the wood for my deck. We don't have any ordinances against them evidently. Also, the moving company we used had a tractor trailer...

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
just Czech wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
That's right...I'll pollute needlessly if I want to, and nobody can stop me. Screw you.
I'll continue to use plastic bags because it's more convenient, and never mind all the dead marine life. Screw them.
I'm American and NOBODY tells me what to do!

Sounds about right. I've heard it a million times.
I'm absolutely positive you leave a 0 percent carbon footprint.
LOL
I do my absolute best to leave as small carbon footprint as possible.
No, you don't. do you set your furnace over 50 degrees Fahrenheit? Do you have a hot water heater? How about an AC (maybe you don't have that in Canada)? Own a pet?

There are a TON of things that would be "possible" for you to do that you don't. You make choices based on your needs and convenience--JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, snowflake.
Furnace? I use Hydroelectricity, which is renewable kinetic energy. Quebec gets about 95% of all it's energy from kinetic energy.
I never said I have a zero carbon footprint. I said I try to minimize it as much as I can.
You Republicans are so funny. This isn't my first go-round on this matter. Evidently, if I don't live in a cave, heat with dung and wear hemp underpants, I'm not a real environmentalist. Any shades of grey in your world?

Not necessarily true, but a vast majority of self proclaimed "environmentalists" are raging hypocrites. And most of them are liberal...but I repeat myself...

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Like I said, a tractor trailer delivered my cabinets and the wood for my deck. We don't have any ordinances against them evidently. Also, the moving company we used had a tractor trailer...

I can see not wanting them to park there overnight, but I can't believe they would enforce it on deliveries or a family moving in.

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
just Czech wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
That's right...I'll pollute needlessly if I want to, and nobody can stop me. Screw you.
I'll continue to use plastic bags because it's more convenient, and never mind all the dead marine life. Screw them.
I'm American and NOBODY tells me what to do!

Sounds about right. I've heard it a million times.
I'm absolutely positive you leave a 0 percent carbon footprint.
LOL
I do my absolute best to leave as small carbon footprint as possible.
No, you don't. do you set your furnace over 50 degrees Fahrenheit? Do you have a hot water heater? How about an AC (maybe you don't have that in Canada)? Own a pet?

There are a TON of things that would be "possible" for you to do that you don't. You make choices based on your needs and convenience--JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, snowflake.
Furnace? I use Hydroelectricity, which is renewable kinetic energy. Quebec gets about 95% of all it's energy from kinetic energy.
I never said I have a zero carbon footprint. I said I try to minimize it as much as I can.
You Republicans are so funny. This isn't my first go-round on this matter. Evidently, if I don't live in a cave, heat with dung and wear hemp underpants, I'm not a real environmentalist. Any shades of grey in your world?
So what if it is hydroelectricity, or not? It goes into the power grid. you don't get to choose what type of electricity you use. You aren't any more af an environmentalist than anyone else.

That comment made no sense. ALL the electricity in our power grid comes from kinetic energy. We have no coal-fired power plants. We generate so much of it, we sell it to you.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Tuesday 28th of July 2015 06:14:52 PM

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Tuesday 28th of July 2015 06:16:00 PM

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
just Czech wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
That's right...I'll pollute needlessly if I want to, and nobody can stop me. Screw you.
I'll continue to use plastic bags because it's more convenient, and never mind all the dead marine life. Screw them.
I'm American and NOBODY tells me what to do!

Sounds about right. I've heard it a million times.
I'm absolutely positive you leave a 0 percent carbon footprint.
LOL
I do my absolute best to leave as small carbon footprint as possible.
No, you don't. do you set your furnace over 50 degrees Fahrenheit? Do you have a hot water heater? How about an AC (maybe you don't have that in Canada)? Own a pet?

There are a TON of things that would be "possible" for you to do that you don't. You make choices based on your needs and convenience--JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, snowflake.
Furnace? I use Hydroelectricity, which is renewable kinetic energy. Quebec gets about 95% of all it's energy from kinetic energy.
I never said I have a zero carbon footprint. I said I try to minimize it as much as I can.
You Republicans are so funny. This isn't my first go-round on this matter. Evidently, if I don't live in a cave, heat with dung and wear hemp underpants, I'm not a real environmentalist. Any shades of grey in your world?
So what if it is hydroelectricity, or not? It goes into the power grid. you don't get to choose what type of electricity you use. You aren't any more af an environmentalist than anyone else.
That comment made no sense. ALL the electricity in our power grid comes from kinetic energy. We have no coal-fired power plants. We generate so much of it, we sell it to you.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Tuesday 28th of July 2015 06:14:52 PM

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Tuesday 28th of July 2015 06:16:00 PM

That shows a COMPLETE lack of ignorance about how the power grid even works. To sit there and smugly say "well, I care about the environment because I live where we have hydroelectric power" is the HEIGHT of ignorance.

First of all, I live less than 20 miles from two hydroelectric plants, so I know what it is.

Second, not everyone can live right beside hydroelectric power. If they did--then the hydroelectric power plants would not keep up, anyway, and coal-fired plants would have to be built.

Third, it makes ZERO SUM difference "where" you get your electric power. If you use electricity in any amount, you are leavning the EXACT SAME carbon footprint as any other person who uses a like amount of electricity.

If YOU didn't use electricity, then the hydroelectric power would be sold to an area that has a coal-fired plant. The coal fired plant could then burn LESS coal--and thus reduce the carbon footprint of that area. The fact that you use electricity means that less of the FINITE amount of hydroelectric power can be sold to that area, thus raising it's carbon footprint.

It makes ZERO difference what type of power you think you use--especially since you have ZERO control over what that is, anyway.

Your blathering proves O4's point. You like to call yourself an environmentalist--but it is just empty words. You recycle some garbage, take public transportation a few times a week, and convince yourself you are doing something substantive when in actuality, you don't know the first thing about it, and you make choices based on need and convenience just like EVERYONE ELSE in the Western World.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 28th of July 2015 06:57:25 PM

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lawyerlady wrote:
Scooby wrote:
The semi truck thing doesn't bother me. If it's very hot or very cold, he needs to cool it off or warm it up too. He's probably gone a week or more so what does 30 minutes one day matter? Then a week later he's back and idles 30 more minutes. I don't see a big deal.
The semi bothers me more being in a residential neighborhood than the idling.

Why? That's how he makes a living.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
just Czech wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
That's right...I'll pollute needlessly if I want to, and nobody can stop me. Screw you.
I'll continue to use plastic bags because it's more convenient, and never mind all the dead marine life. Screw them.
I'm American and NOBODY tells me what to do!

Sounds about right. I've heard it a million times.
I'm absolutely positive you leave a 0 percent carbon footprint.
LOL
I do my absolute best to leave as small carbon footprint as possible.
No, you don't. do you set your furnace over 50 degrees Fahrenheit? Do you have a hot water heater? How about an AC (maybe you don't have that in Canada)? Own a pet?

There are a TON of things that would be "possible" for you to do that you don't. You make choices based on your needs and convenience--JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, snowflake.
Furnace? I use Hydroelectricity, which is renewable kinetic energy. Quebec gets about 95% of all it's energy from kinetic energy.
I never said I have a zero carbon footprint. I said I try to minimize it as much as I can.
You Republicans are so funny. This isn't my first go-round on this matter. Evidently, if I don't live in a cave, heat with dung and wear hemp underpants, I'm not a real environmentalist. Any shades of grey in your world?
So what if it is hydroelectricity, or not? It goes into the power grid. you don't get to choose what type of electricity you use. You aren't any more af an environmentalist than anyone else.
That comment made no sense. ALL the electricity in our power grid comes from kinetic energy. We have no coal-fired power plants. We generate so much of it, we sell it to you.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Tuesday 28th of July 2015 06:14:52 PM

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Tuesday 28th of July 2015 06:16:00 PM
That shows a COMPLETE lack of ignorance about how the power grid even works. To sit there and smugly say "well, I care about the environment because I live where we have hydroelectric power" is the HEIGHT of ignorance.
First of all, I live less than 20 miles from two hydroelectric plants, so I know what it is.
Second, not everyone can live right beside hydroelectric power. If they did--then the hydroelectric power plants would not keep up, anyway, and coal-fired plants would have to be built.
Third, it makes ZERO SUM difference "where" you get your electric power. If you use electricity in any amount, you are leavning the EXACT SAME carbon footprint as any other person who uses a like amount of electricity.
If YOU didn't use electricity, then the hydroelectric power would be sold to an area that has a coal-fired plant. The coal fired plant could then burn LESS coal--and thus reduce the carbon footprint of that area. The fact that you use electricity means that less of the FINITE amount of hydroelectric power can be sold to that area, thus raising it's carbon footprint.

It makes ZERO difference what type of power you think you use--especially since you have ZERO control over what that is, anyway.

Your blathering proves O4's point. You like to call yourself an environmentalist--but it is just empty words. You recycle some garbage, take public transportation a few times a week, and convince yourself you are doing something substantive when in actuality, you don't know the first thing about it, and you make choices based on need and convenience just like EVERYONE ELSE in the Western World.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 28th of July 2015 06:57:25 PM

Husker, you forgot to mention the cost of infrastructure and energy it takes to build the infrastructure, operate, and maintain it for public transit. Not saying it is anymore than individuals driving, but there is still a huge cost and carbon footprint to public transport plus all the trees that were cut down to build the system and rails and digging into the ground very deeply affecting the aqua furs the natural water flow in the ground, which leads to disruption and disruption of the ecosystem is that ground water. Let's not forget about the asphalt!

Tinydancer · Guru

Wow. The arrogance on this thread is amazing. Anyone who thinks they live in 2015 and don't leave their carbon footprint really doesn't understand what a carbon footprint is. Your (general your) heating bill is a drop in the bucket even if you are not an American. Believing you're superior because you have a good heating source is laughable. Where you live also involves getting food and other essentials to you through someone elses carbon footprint. Pretend you're superior if it makes you feel better but I don't buy it.

Ohfour · Hooker

The SLIGHT difference the tree huggers make is laughable. Yes, the commies in the US and Canada think they make a difference. Um...they don't. The rest of the world laughs at them. They are looking for food. Your attitude is funny....

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Like I said, a tractor trailer delivered my cabinets and the wood for my deck. We don't have any ordinances against them evidently. Also, the moving company we used had a tractor trailer...

I bet you have ordinances against them parking there.

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