TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Dr. who shot Cecil the Lion getting death threats and closes his practice

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

OK, I am fine with hunting. There are a lot of hunters here but they eat what they kill. Venison is a big deal. And making jerky is a time honored tradition as everyone has their own secret recipes. But, I do not understand trophy hunts. I have no problem shooting a lion if it is attacking you. Or, if you live there and it is a source of food. So, not a fan of trophy hunters.

But, the outrage over this versus killing human beings is quite interesting.

FNW · Guru

I agree with you, LGS. However, if you are a trophy hunter, then hunt. Luring the lion out of his safe haven is not hunting. Sit in a tree, stalk the tracks, whatever. This was like going to the zoo and killing one of the "pets". But still, I don't think this guy's actions warrant death threats.

He does sound like a piece of work.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I would not want to shoot such a beautiful, majestic animal. And, most of these hunts really aren't hunts. They are rich people having their egos stroked as mighty hunters while the locals cash their check and bring out the fish in a barrel.

FNW · Guru

Yep.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

His practice is about 30 minutes away from me. The streets were closed yesterday there so people could protest. He is probably going to lose his practice. They had to shut down his website and the phone line. He was caught 7 or 8 years ago doing something similar in Wisconsin. He illegally shot a bear and then lied about it. He was on probation from hunting, and he was charged with a felony I think. This isn't his first hunting "mistake". He is a serial liar.

I happen to think trophy hunting is disgusting. How you could look at an animal in the wild like that and just shoot it for sport is beyond me.

Deer hunting - totally different. They are overpopulated anyway and most people here eat what they kill.

Tangerine · Guru

Trophy hunting is sickening to me. This guy sounds like a real scumbag.

huskerbb · Guru

It all hinges on what he knew and his participation in luring the animal away from the protected zone.

No matter what our personal feelings on the matter, big game trophy hunting is legal and an important part of the economy in some of the poorest areas of the world--not to mention that a few such hunters contribute more to wildlife conservation than all these protesters combined.

If he truly did not know the origin of this lion, then it is not his fault. It is the fault of his guides who damn well did know better. If he knew, then obviously he is culpable.

I agree with gaga that the outrage expressed over this lion compared to the outrage when most humans are killed is baffling--not to mention that he is hardly the first lion to be hunted and killed and these protesters never gave a crap until now.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Well I think the outrage mostly stems from the fact that this lion had a GPS tracking collar on (making his claims that he didn't know it was protected totally bogus). He shot it with a bow and arrow first, meaning it had to be a pretty close range, close enough to see the tracking device. Also, the animal was only wounded and the hunter spent 40 hours tracking him down while the animal suffered. This is what all the outrage is about. Not the trophy hunting per se, but the WAY this douche rocket chose to do it.

As I said, it's a local story for me and that's what I am hearing and seeing. There is no shortage of hunters here. But people are upset at this man for not following the rules. And its the second time he has killed a protected animal and claimed ignorance. If he is that ignorant he shouldn't be shooting a gun. He was convicted in Wisconsin 7 or 8 years ago for shooting a bear illegally. He learned nothing.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Thursday 30th of July 2015 09:26:51 AM

huskerbb · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Well I think the outrage mostly stems from the fact that this lion had a GPS tracking collar on (making his claims that he didn't know it was protected totally bogus). He shot it with a bow and arrow first, meaning it had to be a pretty close range, close enough to see the tracking device. Also, the animal was only wounded and the hunter spent 40 hours tracking him down while the animal suffered. This is what all the outrage is about. Not the trophy hunting per se, but the WAY this douche rocket chose to do it.

As I said, it's a local story for me and that's what I am hearing and seeing. There is no shortage of hunters here. But people are upset at this man for not following the rules. And its the second time he has killed a protected animal and claimed ignorance. If he is that ignorant he shouldn't be shooting a gun. He was convicted in Wisconsin 7 or 8 years ago for shooting a bear illegally. He learned nothing.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Thursday 30th of July 2015 09:26:51 AM

he didnt "choose" to wound it and have to track it for two days.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

He chose to shoot at an animal that had a GPS collar around its neck - which he had to have seen. And he sucked so badly at shooting it that he had to track it. If you are going to do something - do it right. Shoot if with the gun the first time. Don't try and shoot it with something that may or may not get the job done.

FNW · Guru

Archery is the tool of choice in the sport, I understand.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Which he apparently sucked at.

Ohfour · Hooker

Mellow Momma wrote:
He chose to shoot at an animal that had a GPS collar around its neck - which he had to have seen. And he sucked so badly at shooting it that he had to track it. If you are going to do something - do it right. Shoot if with the gun the first time. Don't try and shoot it with something that may or may not get the job done.

How would he have seen it?

huskerbb · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
He chose to shoot at an animal that had a GPS collar around its neck - which he had to have seen. And he sucked so badly at shooting it that he had to track it. If you are going to do something - do it right. Shoot if with the gun the first time. Don't try and shoot it with something that may or may not get the job done.

We don't know he saw the collar. Also, even the best of shooters don't hit the mark 100% of the time--even with a gun. I've only ever hunted with a rifle and scope and I've tracked lots of deer, for myself and others.

huskerbb · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Which he apparently sucked at.

that statement just shows an extreme ignorance of weapons and hunting.

Scooby · Newbie

I'm not a fan of trophy hunting at all but the outrage and hysteria regarding this is just stupid to me.

I like this article about it:

One of the joys of the digital age, at least to many, is the thrill of discovering a new World’s Most Despicable Person. You know the drill: First, some poor sap says or does something dumb or politically incorrect. Next, mobs of wild-eyed, unhinged keyboard cops swoop in to judge, shame, excoriate, and issue over-the-top condemnations. Finally, if they’re lucky, the Mean Typing League might even manage to destroy a life or a reputation or a business or two, not to mention everyone’s general faith in humanity.

After performing this ritual cleansing, one assumes, those involved feel slightly better about themselves. This sense of inner peace and superiority has not yet been scientifically measured, but it lasts, alas, for only a few fleeting days. That’s when it’s time to find a new World’s Most Despicable Person.

This week, that person is Dr. Walter James Palmer, a dentist from Minnesota with the unfortunate habit of paying copious amounts of money to kill large, exotic animals around the globe. Earlier in July, as the world discovered this week, Palmer messed with the wrong large, exotic animal: Cecil the Lion, one of Africa’s most beloved and famous lions, a favorite of wildlife researchers, and the “star attraction” of Zimbabwe’s Hwagne National Park.

I, like most of humanity, had never heard of Cecil the Lion until this week—thanks to the Internet, he now has approximately five million devoted new best friends, who had also, oddly, never heard of him until now—but there are several videos of him circulating online. He seems like a nice enough lion, I guess, if you like sexist oppressor male kings of the jungle.

I kid, I kid! Sort of. Alas, the truth about Cecil’s links to the patriarchy is all on YouTube for the world to see: the roaring and biting at those born without male privilege; the casual, utter disregard for female lion self-esteem; the skulking around like a half-hungry Marlon Brando trapped in a Mafia pizza parlor. This is because he was a wild animal, of course, and not a cartoon character. Regardless, let’s move on.

Cecil lived on nationally protected land in Zimbabwe, but Dr. Palmer’s apparently shady and unscrupulous guides—for whom he paid a whopping $54,000—lured the unsuspecting lion off his nature preserve. There, Palmer shot him with a crossbow. That didn’t do the trick, so a fatal rifle shot came next, but only after tracking the wounded, suffering lion for nearly 40 hours. This was followed by the beheading and skinning of poor Cecil, who certainly didn’t deserve such a cruel fate, but who also, just as a friendly, safety-related reminder, would probably happily eat you in a casual and relaxed fashion if he had the chance.

This week, Cecil’s story exploded, inciting batten-down-the-hatches outrage. Animal rights group PETA, for instance, declared that Dr. Palmer should be “extradited, charged, and preferably hanged” for killing such a beloved creature. In a heated op-ed, former CNN host Piers Morgan proposed a new sport, “Big Human Hunting,” in which he would kill Dr. Palmer with a crossbow, torture him, and skin him alive, which sounds normal if you just had a brain transplant from, say, Jeffrey Dahmer.

Actress Debra Messing argued for revoking Dr. Palmer’s citizenship; Sharon Osborne, who is married to a man who once bit the head off a bat, called for the eradication of Palmer’s home, business, and money. On Tuesday night, an emotional Jimmy Kimmel questioned Dr. Palmer’s erectile abilities before a chortling television audience, called him “vomitous” and “the most hated man in America who never advertised Jell-O pudding on television,” and then helpfully noted that we probably shouldn’t “start a witch hunt for the guy.” Oh. Okay. We’ll just ignore those first parts, broadcast to millions!

Dr. Palmer, meanwhile, is in hiding. His business is closed, piled with threats and hate mail. Cecil’s killing, the embattled dentist declared in a statement, was a terrible mistake: “I relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt." This may or may not be true; Dr. Palmer may or may not be an unsavory and unethical character. It’s a sad situation; we’ll have to wait and see. One thing, however, seems indisputable: The world is, as is its eternal wont—and here I shall quote an eminent showbiz bat-biter—going off the rails on a crazy train.

Paying $54,000 to kill a wild, beautiful animal seems like a strange and questionable hobby at best; at worst, it seems downright cruel. On the other hand, some conservationists applaud the practice, at least when it’s done legally. What’s telling, however, is that the great Cecil conflagration of 2015 occurred on the same day undercover operatives released the third in a series of graphic, disturbing Planned Parenthood videos. This video, unlike the former two, featured body parts. Tiny body parts. Detailed, well formed, and unmistakably human.

But never mind. Let’s talk about Cecil, a lion that has emerged as a benevolent, finely sketched cartoon creature in the global moral imagination, setting our hyperactive but wildly misfiring outrage meter into a wild, chaotic spin. He’s a lot more fun to think about than unborn baby humans, apparently. The villains in his case are certainly more dramatically drawn. And really: Who doesn’t like cartoons better than reality?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/07/30/cecil_the_lion_and_americas_broken_outrage_meter.html

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I think people should know that when these animals are killed, the meat is eaten by the locals - they use every part of the animal that the game hunter is not bringing back as a trophy.

Tangerine · Guru

I would like to add that while, based on the additional info provided by MM, I do this guy is a scumbag who doesn't really care about whether or not a hunt is legal; I also think it is despicable to send him death threats and shut down his place of business.
That's a pretty scumbaggy thing to do to a person as well.
I do hope this fellow rethinks his hobby. I just think it's wrong to kill something for its head. That's just my opinion.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Tangerine wrote:
I would like to add that while, based on the additional info provided by MM, I do this guy is a scumbag who doesn't really care about whether or not a hunt is legal; I also think it is despicable to send him death threats and shut down his place of business.
That's a pretty scumbaggy thing to do to a person as well.
I do hope this fellow rethinks his hobby. I just think it's wrong to kill something for its head. That's just my opinion.

I agree. But, it is a huge economy thing for these small villages in Africa.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Tangerine wrote:
I would like to add that while, based on the additional info provided by MM, I do this guy is a scumbag who doesn't really care about whether or not a hunt is legal; I also think it is despicable to send him death threats and shut down his place of business.
That's a pretty scumbaggy thing to do to a person as well.
I do hope this fellow rethinks his hobby. I just think it's wrong to kill something for its head. That's just my opinion.
I agree. But, it is a huge economy thing for these small villages in Africa.

Yes it is. And in most cases is perfectly legal. This whole thing is wrong though. This wasn't really what I would consider a hunt.

I really have mixed emotions about this. Yes, I think they guy is a douche. No, I don't think he should be getting death threats. It was an animal, and it's legal (with a permit) to hunt said animal. This particular lion was...what word am I looking for here...not domesticated, really, but he was not afraid of people. He was kind of like the neighborhood dog. It's just a shame...

burns07 · Guru

lots of things wrong with this whole event--from the baiting to the shooting to the wounding to the suffering of the animal for 40 hours to this guy being a repeat offender hunting-wise

kudos for trying-on dangerous game with a bow and arrow BUT you should have at least one back-up guide with a firearm to dispatch the animal quickly to prevent this exact scenario and end its life mercifully--lord, you're dealing with a lion--THE apex predator in Africa and throughout most of history--be respectful of the animal and show a bit of honor yourself

huskerbb · Guru

burns07 wrote:

lots of things wrong with this whole event--from the baiting to the shooting to the wounding to the suffering of the animal for 40 hours to this guy being a repeat offender hunting-wise

kudos for trying-on dangerous game with a bow and arrow BUT you should have at least one back-up guide with a firearm to dispatch the animal quickly to prevent this exact scenario and end its life mercifully--lord, you're dealing with a lion--THE apex predator in Africa and throughout most of history--be respectful of the animal and show a bit of honor yourself

They had firearms, but you don't always get a chance to use them before the animal disappears into the cover. Even with firearms, even the best shooters don't always get a kill shot every time. The animal might move at the time of the shot, a fraction of an inch either way makes an lot of difference.

be angry all you want about certain aspects of this, but the fact they had to track down a wounded animal is part and parcel of hunting. It happens and when it does, it is unavoidable.

Scooby · Newbie

Saw this on Yahoo....

"What lion?" Zimbabweans ask....

HARARE (Reuters) - As social media exploded with outrage this week at the killing of Cecil the lion, the untimely passing of the celebrated predator at the hands of an American dentist went largely unnoticed in the animal's native Zimbabwe.

"What lion?" acting information minister Prisca Mupfumira asked in response to a request for comment about Cecil, who was at that moment topping global news bulletins and generating reams of abuse for his killer on websites in the United States and Europe.

The government has still given no formal response, and on Thursday the papers that chose to run the latest twist in the Cecil saga tucked it away on inside pages.

One title had to rely on foreign news agency copy because it failed to send a reporter to the court appearance of two locals involved.

In contrast, the previous evening 200 people stood in protest outside the suburban Minneapolis dental practice of 55-year-old Walter Palmer, calling for him to be extradited to Zimbabwe to face charges of taking part in an illegal hunt.

Local police are also investigating death threats against Palmer, whose location is not known. Because many of the threats were online, police are having difficulty determining their origins and credibility.

Palmer, a lifelong big game hunter, has admitted killing Cecil with a bow and arrow on July 1 near Zimbabwe's Hwange national park, but said he had hired professional local guides with the required hunting permits and believed the hunt was legal.

For most people in the southern African nation, where unemployment tops 80 percent and the economy continues to feel the after-effects of billion percent hyperinflation a decade ago, the uproar had all the hallmarks of a 'First World Problem'.

"Are you saying that all this noise is about a dead lion? Lions are killed all the time in this country," said Tryphina Kaseke, a used-clothes hawker on the streets of Harare. "What is so special about this one?"

As with many countries in Africa, in Zimbabwe big wild animals such as lions, elephants or hippos are seen either as a potential meal, or a threat to people and property that needs to be controlled or killed.

The world of Palmer, who paid $50,000 to kill 13-year-old Cecil, is a very different one from that inhabited by millions of rural Africans who are more than occasionally victims of wild animal attacks.

According to CrocBITE, a database, from January 2008 to October 2013, there were more than 460 recorded attacks by Nile crocodiles, most of them fatal. That tally is almost certainly a massive underrepresentation.

"Why are the Americans more concerned than us?" said Joseph Mabuwa, a 33-year-old father-of-two cleaning his car in the center of the capital. "We never hear them speak out when villagers are killed by lions and elephants in Hwange."

http://news.yahoo.com/lion-zimbabweans-ask-amid-global-cecil-circus-140822692.html

burns07 · Guru

Even with firearms, even the best shooters don't always get a kill shot every time. The animal might move at the time of the shot, a fraction of an inch either way makes an lot of difference
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you have to be close to use a bow and hunting dangerous game you normally have two and sometimes three people on target in order to cover one another--you're not hunting deer or such--you're dealing with an animal that can kill you and will typically not run away but will charge you--have never hunted lion but have hunted kodiak and grizz and trust me, they don't run because you're prey and you have to drop them then and there

Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

Speed reading got me again. I saw, "Dr. Who Shot Cecil the Lion..." biggrin

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

burns07 wrote:

lots of things wrong with this whole event--from the baiting to the shooting to the wounding to the suffering of the animal for 40 hours to this guy being a repeat offender hunting-wise

kudos for trying-on dangerous game with a bow and arrow BUT you should have at least one back-up guide with a firearm to dispatch the animal quickly to prevent this exact scenario and end its life mercifully--lord, you're dealing with a lion--THE apex predator in Africa and throughout most of history--be respectful of the animal and show a bit of honor yourself

Exactly my thoughts but much better stated than my post. Thank you.

This man is a repeat offender. He needs to stop. Now.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Ohfour wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
He chose to shoot at an animal that had a GPS collar around its neck - which he had to have seen. And he sucked so badly at shooting it that he had to track it. If you are going to do something - do it right. Shoot if with the gun the first time. Don't try and shoot it with something that may or may not get the job done.
How would he have seen it?

The GPS collar is around the lion's neck and to shoot at the lion with a bow, it is estimated that he was within 30 yards of the lion. All experts say he hunter AND the guides should have seen the collar. Also, after they killed him and they found the collar, they tried to hide what they did. Typically if an animal that is tagged is killed, the guides contact the owner of the tag and let them know what happened. It's common practice. In this case, everyone involved tried to cover it up after the fact. Cowards.

Ohfour · Hooker

It was also the middle of the night. Yes, they tried to cover it up. But I don't think the dentist knew when he shot him that he was tagged...

huskerbb · Guru

burns07 wrote:

Even with firearms, even the best shooters don't always get a kill shot every time. The animal might move at the time of the shot, a fraction of an inch either way makes an lot of difference
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you have to be close to use a bow and hunting dangerous game you normally have two and sometimes three people on target in order to cover one another--you're not hunting deer or such--you're dealing with an animal that can kill you and will typically not run away but will charge you--have never hunted lion but have hunted kodiak and grizz and trust me, they don't run because you're prey and you have to drop them then and there

But it doesn't always happen--and this one did run. He wasn't alone. There were two guides. They had firearms. If they had a chance they would have dropped it because it's no fun to track something for 40 hours--but it happens. It's called hunting.

huskerbb · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
He chose to shoot at an animal that had a GPS collar around its neck - which he had to have seen. And he sucked so badly at shooting it that he had to track it. If you are going to do something - do it right. Shoot if with the gun the first time. Don't try and shoot it with something that may or may not get the job done.
How would he have seen it?
The GPS collar is around the lion's neck and to shoot at the lion with a bow, it is estimated that he was within 30 yards of the lion. All experts say he hunter AND the guides should have seen the collar. Also, after they killed him and they found the collar, they tried to hide what they did. Typically if an animal that is tagged is killed, the guides contact the owner of the tag and let them know what happened. It's common practice. In this case, everyone involved tried to cover it up after the fact. Cowards.

The guides definitely did the wrong thing. They KNEW what they were doing and what lion it was.

The culpability of the dentist hinges on what he knew and when he knew it.

huskerbb · Guru

Scooby wrote:
Saw this on Yahoo....
"What lion?" Zimbabweans ask....
HARARE (Reuters) - As social media exploded with outrage this week at the killing of Cecil the lion, the untimely passing of the celebrated predator at the hands of an American dentist went largely unnoticed in the animal's native Zimbabwe.
"What lion?" acting information minister Prisca Mupfumira asked in response to a request for comment about Cecil, who was at that moment topping global news bulletins and generating reams of abuse for his killer on websites in the United States and Europe.
The government has still given no formal response, and on Thursday the papers that chose to run the latest twist in the Cecil saga tucked it away on inside pages.
One title had to rely on foreign news agency copy because it failed to send a reporter to the court appearance of two locals involved.
In contrast, the previous evening 200 people stood in protest outside the suburban Minneapolis dental practice of 55-year-old Walter Palmer, calling for him to be extradited to Zimbabwe to face charges of taking part in an illegal hunt.
Local police are also investigating death threats against Palmer, whose location is not known. Because many of the threats were online, police are having difficulty determining their origins and credibility.
Palmer, a lifelong big game hunter, has admitted killing Cecil with a bow and arrow on July 1 near Zimbabwe's Hwange national park, but said he had hired professional local guides with the required hunting permits and believed the hunt was legal.
For most people in the southern African nation, where unemployment tops 80 percent and the economy continues to feel the after-effects of billion percent hyperinflation a decade ago, the uproar had all the hallmarks of a 'First World Problem'.
"Are you saying that all this noise is about a dead lion? Lions are killed all the time in this country," said Tryphina Kaseke, a used-clothes hawker on the streets of Harare. "What is so special about this one?"
As with many countries in Africa, in Zimbabwe big wild animals such as lions, elephants or hippos are seen either as a potential meal, or a threat to people and property that needs to be controlled or killed.
The world of Palmer, who paid $50,000 to kill 13-year-old Cecil, is a very different one from that inhabited by millions of rural Africans who are more than occasionally victims of wild animal attacks.
According to CrocBITE, a database, from January 2008 to October 2013, there were more than 460 recorded attacks by Nile crocodiles, most of them fatal. That tally is almost certainly a massive underrepresentation.
"Why are the Americans more concerned than us?" said Joseph Mabuwa, a 33-year-old father-of-two cleaning his car in the center of the capital. "We never hear them speak out when villagers are killed by lions and elephants in Hwange."
http://news.yahoo.com/lion-zimbabweans-ask-amid-global-cecil-circus-140822692.html

Yeah, this.

Where was all the outrage when the other ONE THOUSAND or whatever lions were killed this year before this one, or the THOUSANDS that have been killed in previous years?

The fact is that whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Big game trophy hunting is LEGAL in that nation.

Now, whether or not it was legal to shoot THIS particular lion in the manner that they did is the debate--but the hypocrisy of these protestors and on this forum is staggering.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Some people are saying he "murdered" the lion. I disagree. You don't "murder" animals. You kill them or slaughter them. Murder is something human beings do to one another.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Some people are saying he "murdered" the lion. I disagree. You don't "murder" animals. You kill them or slaughter them. Murder is something human beings do to one another.

Well, some people are idiots--and, again, they didn't give a crap about the thousands of other lions that have been killed.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

They don't give a crap about the black lives in Chicago either since it doesnt' serve their political purposes.

chef · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
I think people should know that when these animals are killed, the meat is eaten by the locals - they use every part of the animal that the game hunter is not bringing back as a trophy.

I'm glad to learn this. I don't support hunting for sport but at least the animal doesn't go to waste.

ed11563 · Guru

What does this have to do with Dr. Who? Did he shoot the lion with a Tardis?

(sorry, couldn't resist.)

ed11563 · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
They don't give a crap about the black lives in Chicago either since it doesnt' serve their political purposes.

Who exactly is "They"?

Ohfour · Hooker

The liberals...

burns07 · Guru

He wasn't alone. There were two guides. They had firearms. If they had a chance they would have dropped it because it's no fun to track something for 40 hours--but it happens. It's called hunting.
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nah--it's called stupid--more than likely they panicked which lends more credence to the poaching theory--not professionals ( and certainly not the dentist )--probably a bunch of locals out for a fast buck and the deal went south when william tell didn't drop the lion outright--they probably ran in outright terror--amateurs

huskerbb · Guru

burns07 wrote:

He wasn't alone. There were two guides. They had firearms. If they had a chance they would have dropped it because it's no fun to track something for 40 hours--but it happens. It's called hunting.
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nah--it's called stupid--more than likely they panicked which lends more credence to the poaching theory--not professionals ( and certainly not the dentist )--probably a bunch of locals out for a fast buck and the deal went south when william tell didn't drop the lion outright--they probably ran in outright terror--amateurs

That is not what happened by any account. Not even the authorities are suggesting anything remotely like that. At least one of the guides was a well known professional hunter, there.

If they were going to run--they certainly wouldn't have baited a lion in the first place.

ed11563 · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
The liberals...

Do you mean the "Democrats"?

ladyloonatic · Regular

The fact that they were trying to cut off and destroy the collar is the issue. And whether or not the good dentist knew explicitly what was being done, he paid big bucks, and probably a big bonus for coming home with a trophy.

And the locals have a point about the protesters, Americans don't protest too much about the people being slaughtered in various areas...

weltschmerz · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
I think people should know that when these animals are killed, the meat is eaten by the locals - they use every part of the animal that the game hunter is not bringing back as a trophy.

Eating African lion meat is unusual around the world—including on the predator's home continent, where the meat is not considered palatable, Hunter said.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/13/130510-lion-meat-taco-florida-animal-food-science/

WYSIWYG · Guru

The senseless killing of one of God's beautiful creatures is a crime against humanity and a crime against what makes us greater than the animals. We are supposed to be the shepherds of God's creations.

I understand when killing for food. That's not senseless. Trophy hunting is senseless, and should be outlawed.

huskerbb · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
The senseless killing of one of God's beautiful creatures is a crime against humanity and a crime against what makes us greater than the animals. We are supposed to be the shepherds of God's creations.

I understand when killing for food. That's not senseless. Trophy hunting is senseless, and should be outlawed.

Are you going to replace the millions of dollars that it brings into local economies that are among the poorest in the world?

What about the millions of dollars that hunters spend every year on wildlife conservation?

No? That's what I thought. All talk.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 30th of July 2015 11:51:37 PM

Lindley · Guru

It's funny is that no one in the country I'm in now is even a little bit upset about the shooting of a lion. I'm a little more concerned about the lack of outrage of a brutal beating of a innocent child/baby, child abuse then a lion that I never heard of before.

No I would not hunt a lion or any other animal but when people place more value on a animal then a innocent baby or child I think it is rather hypocritical.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

African Authorities are asking to extradite him back to Africa.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Shouldn't they be going after the tour guide and company that sold him the trip? I mean, I am sorry a lion that people regarded was shot but this is just getting ridiculous.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
The senseless killing of one of God's beautiful creatures is a crime against humanity and a crime against what makes us greater than the animals. We are supposed to be the shepherds of God's creations.

I understand when killing for food. That's not senseless. Trophy hunting is senseless, and should be outlawed.

So, if you don't like something, then it should automatically just be outlawed?

TOTALLY GEEKED!

Walter Palmer closes practice: Dr. who shot Cecil the Lion getting death threats