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Conservatives Think They Have a Magic Formula for Raising People Out of Poverty

 
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I haven't yet read Ta-Nahesi Coates' new book, Between the World and Me. But I did find myself groaning while reading Rich Lowry's review of it at Politico. This was not due to anything Lowry wrote specifically about Coates' work—which, again, I haven't opened—but because he trots out a bit of received conservative wisdom about fighting poverty in a very irksome way. It's a canard I fear we'll hear a lot during the presidential election.

Lowry, who edits National Review, says he dislikes Between the World and Me because it is too nihilistic and doesn't offer a "positive program" to improve the lot of black America. However, he also dislikes Coates' suggestion, put forward in a widely read Atlantic essay, that the government start by considering paying black families reparations. Why? Social science, of course. 

... like all Americans, [blacks] are in a much better position to succeed if they honor certain basic norms: graduate from high school; get a full-time job; don’t have a child before age 21 and get married before childbearing. Among the people who do these things, according to the research of Ron Haskins and Isabel Sawhill of the Brookings Institution, about 75 percent attain the middle class, broadly defined.

In policy circles, this idea is often referred to as the "success sequence." Conservatives —including presidential contender Marco Rubio and sorta-kinda-contender Rick Santorum—are quite fond of it, because in their eyes it shows that personal responsibility is essential to conquering need. Certainly, Lowry seems to think so. Would reparations "be transformative for any individual?" he asks in his review. "No. For poor blacks to escape poverty, it would still require all the personal attributes that contribute to success. So Coates is selling snake oil. Even if he got his fantastical reparations that he has poured such literary energy into advocating, real improvement in the condition of black people would still require the moral effort that he won’t advocate for."

This is, in fact, a statement about much more than reparations, or Coates. Implicitly, it's an argument that unless the poor embrace middle-class "norms"—that all-important three-part code that unlocks membership to the middle class—money is useless.

Which is just sort of silly.

In the end, the "success sequence" is a mildly catchy way of stating the obvious. It is not a magic formula—though people who follow it rarely end up poor, by Sawhill and Haskins' own admission, a good number of people take all of the right steps and still don't make it to the solid middle class. But yes, you are more likely to get there if you both graduate from high school and promptly find full-time work. That's sort of like saying it's easier to go bear hunting with a gun than it is to wrestle a grizzly into submission—nobody would think otherwise. You are also more likely to be middle class if you get married before having children, in part because wedded couples have been found to be more stable, and two incomes are typically better than one, especially when there is a baby to raise.

I somehow doubt that there are many people who need to be told that graduating high school, finding a job, and settling down before starting a family are ideal things to do. Achieving all of these personal milestones is easier, however, if your family happens to have money, or can at least afford to put food on the table. Wealthier children do better in school. Moving poor kids to nicer neighborhoods while they're young improves their future earnings. The more money men make as adults, the more likely they are to get married. "Moral effort," whatever that means, might be useful when it comes to making your way through the world. But cash definitely is.

It is also entirely possible to end up in the middle class while violating the success sequence, which is not, in fact, some sort inviolable law of nature. As Sawhill and Haskins show, a quarter of Americans who miss one or two items on their to-do list end up earning above 300 percent of the poverty line. Many of those individuals were probably born middle class or wealthy. But that only goes to show how, with a little help, people can find a decent lot for themselves, even if their lives don't conform to Rich Lowry's strict standards.

And that's why, as I said, I'm not looking forward to conservative politicians picking up the "success sequence" as a theme. If you treat it as a list of things that we should probably help people do, it's fine. But, again, it's not magic. And it shouldn't be treated as an excuse to cut off people from help if they don't live their lives by a very specific set of rules. This country really doesn't need yet another flimsy excuse to let people fend for themselves



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People need to fend for themselves. We need to get rid of the notion that the government has to take care of everyone.

You CANNOT get rid of poverty by handing people money. It's a formula that has been used since the 60's--and there are more people in poverty now than at any time in our nation's history--DESPITE handing out TRILLIONS of dollars to people in that time.

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The only way to end poverty is to create jobs and teach people to be willing to work them. Liberal policies do not work to create jobs and handing people money does not teach them to work.

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one of the more important things have learned about poverty was taught by one of my grandfathers--he maintained that the best way to help the poor was by not becoming one of them

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Yes. Because throwing money at people is NOT the answer. Since increasing the minimum wage in Seattle employers are actually having people come to them and ask them to cut their hours so they don't make as much money. That way they can still receive their benefits.

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If you take away the gov't checks for the long term, you take away the incentive to not work. It is plain and simple. Those who want to better themselves will. Those who don't, won't. Can't help that crowd. Flame me all you want. But I am a product of the former. I know it can be done.

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At one time, to receive benefits a person had to prove they not only didn't make above a certain amount. They also had to prove they were unable to work.

There were also programs that those receiving benefits came with and we're available. An education program and job training and placement services.

Way back in 1994, these programs were being phased out. The only ones participating at that time were the ones finishing up. No new enrollment.



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It is simple. Get up. Take responsibility for yourself and family and do the right things.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

It is simple. Get up. Take responsibility for yourself and family and do the right things.


 And that is the right thing to do.  However, I have seen a parent suddenly thrown into single parent life with kids to support and it takes time for them to finish education, get a job or such.  Those are the people that need help.



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I know. But life isn't fair. And if you spend each day working to move ahead rather than feeling sorry for your self , then you will move ahead. Nobody has any guarantee of an easy life.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

It is simple. Get up. Take responsibility for yourself and family and do the right things.


 And that is the right thing to do.  However, I have seen a parent suddenly thrown into single parent life with kids to support and it takes time for them to finish education, get a job or such.  Those are the people that need help.


If they get thrown into that due to death--they should have had life insurance as a cushion.

 

Divorce--they should at least get child support. 

 

I have a good friend that just got into that situation recently (due to divorce).  You do what you have to do. It's not necessarily everyone else's responsibility to bail you out.   



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The only way to end poverty is to create jobs and teach people to be willing to work them. Liberal policies do not work to create jobs and handing people money does not teach them to work.


 I am in 100% agreement with this. 

I cant tell you how many "first generation job holders" have worked for me. Dozens. Quite a few that had a promising career in front of them. Almost all either quit right when they hit the number of days needed to be "off the system" so they could restart their benefits, or would do something to get themselves fired on purpose. Still others were woefully ignorant of what it took to hold a job - showing up on time every day was something they really struggled with. "Miss MM, I am only 15 minutes late! What's the big deal?!"  Well the big deal is Sarah can't go to lunch until you clock in! Also, actually working all shifts scheduled - they have no idea that's required. Honestly they lack the skills to do it because they have never seen anyone in their neighborhoods do it, no one in their family has done it and they don't see that behavior modeled for them. It's stunning. 



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