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ed11563 · Guru

Physicians Blamed for Low HPV Vaccination Rates

Ohfour · Hooker

I voted other. I don't believe there has been enough research on the vaccine to have given it to my daughter. Our Dr agrees with us. Many doctors agree with us...

Daughter hasn't gotten it as an adult...

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Wait, isn't the disease a result of unprotected sex? Sure blame the doctors, they can only recommend it not force parents to agree.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Ohfour wrote:
I voted other. I don't believe there has been enough research on the vaccine to have given it to my daughter. Our Dr agrees with us. Many doctors agree with us...

Daughter hasn't gotten it as an adult...

I'm on the fence about it. DD is almost the age for it. I turned it down at her 10YO check up because of the lack of data on results and issues some may have with the vaccine. I really need an education on it.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I voted other as well.

I didn't get it for my daughter either.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Did not feel there was enough info about it, didnt get it.

ed11563 · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Wait, isn't the disease a result of unprotected sex? Sure blame the doctors, they can only recommend it not force parents to agree.

I believe the Human Papiloma virus can be transferred by kissing, and causes what are usually called "cold sores" in the mouth. So even 11 year olds are at risk.

And once it's in the body, it's too late. (Or is that Herpes? Now I'm confused. Again.) cry

ed11563 · Guru

Votes???

One vote for "too late, kids are grown" and

3 votes for "other", BUT

only two votes registered.

Is Sparklit screwing this up?

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

I, for one, is on the fence about voting. I am sure I am skewing your results. :)

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

DD was already past the recommended age when the shot was first introduced.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

ed11563 wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Wait, isn't the disease a result of unprotected sex? Sure blame the doctors, they can only recommend it not force parents to agree.
I believe the Human Papiloma virus can be transferred by kissing, and causes what are usually called "cold sores" in the mouth. So even 11 year olds are at risk.
And once it's in the body, it's too late. (Or is that Herpes? Now I'm confused. Again.)

That's herpes or gonorrhea.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I voted other. I don't believe there has been enough research on the vaccine to have given it to my daughter. Our Dr agrees with us. Many doctors agree with us...

Daughter hasn't gotten it as an adult...
I'm on the fence about it. DD is almost the age for it. I turned it down at her 10YO check up because of the lack of data on results and issues some may have with the vaccine. I really need an education on it.

This. I was all for it, and then did more research, and there really isn't quite enough. We're probably going to do it - but, I'm waiting until she's 12 or 13. I do think that emotionally and mentally, parents are not ready to think about this for their 11 year olds.

weltschmerz · Guru

We go to the schools to give the vaccinations.

Ohfour · Hooker

You seem proud of that. It's rather disturbing. Kinda like a horror movie. Ve vill do as ve please vith your children, parental choice ve damned.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Yeah I don't like that either.

But that's exactly where this country is headed if we don't stop giving government control.

weltschmerz · Guru

from fromOhfour wrote:
You seem proud of that. It's rather disturbing. Kinda like a horror movie. Ve vill do as ve please vith your children, parental choice ve damned.

Proud? Where did you get that from? Which particular word? There aren't a whole lot of them. I was stating a fact.

Don't be absurd. Parental consent is required, unless the child is of age to give medical consent.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I want the schools to be as little involved as possible in my kids lives.

I don't think there should be any medical care that isn't necessary.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Meh. Sometimes, it's easier. When I was in school, the health department came to school to give us our tetanus boosters in 10th grade. We all needed them, and it was convenient. Of course, I lived in a really small town where the entire high school was 400 students.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I voted other. I dont' believe in running out and getting every new vaccine that comes down the Pike. I would rather wait a bit and see how it plays out. Then, I will consider it after it is time tested.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
You seem proud of that. It's rather disturbing. Kinda like a horror movie. Ve vill do as ve please vith your children, parental choice ve damned.

She's all about Choice, except when she isn't. wink

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I also remember the SS administration coming to my middle school to register kids for their numbers. I already had mine, so we didn't do it - but other parents took advantage of it.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

weltschmerz wrote:
from fromOhfour wrote:
You seem proud of that. It's rather disturbing. Kinda like a horror movie. Ve vill do as ve please vith your children, parental choice ve damned.

Proud? Where did you get that from? Which particular word? There aren't a whole lot of them. I was stating a fact.
Don't be absurd. Parental consent is required, unless the child is of age to give medical consent.

Then state that next time. Your post came across as if you were proud of the fact that the Gov't/school takes care of all that, and you indicated no reference to parental consent.

ed11563 · Guru

The Salk vaccine (injection for Polio) was given at the County Health Department. I don't remember what year.

It was injected in the upper arm using an air gun of some sort.

Soon after, the Sabin oral vaccine was given out to anyone who showed up at the High School on a Saturday.

Parental consent was clear because the parents took the kids, and got vaccinated at the same time.

One sugar cube per person.

weltschmerz · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Meh. Sometimes, it's easier. When I was in school, the health department came to school to give us our tetanus boosters in 10th grade. We all needed them, and it was convenient. Of course, I lived in a really small town where the entire high school was 400 students.

One of my jobs is in Community Health, for the CLSC (centre local de services communautaires) It's much easier to go to the schools to give Twinrix, DpT, MMR boosters and Gardasil that way. Some parents put off getting boosters, or forget, or misplace the paperwork or don't know because we have a lot of immigrants or whatever. This way, we send info sheet, and consent forms home, and then do all the vaccinations for the whole school in a day or two. I live in a really big city, though.

Just for the record I'm not being proud, horrified, guilty, disgusted, flummoxed, elated, or joyous, etc. I'm stating a fact, in case some are easily confused.

weltschmerz · Guru

In schools with huge numbers of recent immigrants, we also do tuberculin skin testing. Just giving you a fact.

(Again, not being haughty or proud or arrogant or judgemental or critical or disparaging, so don't get your knickers in a knot.)

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Around where I live there is a new surge of anti vaxxers taking place. UGH.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

weltschmerz wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Meh. Sometimes, it's easier. When I was in school, the health department came to school to give us our tetanus boosters in 10th grade. We all needed them, and it was convenient. Of course, I lived in a really small town where the entire high school was 400 students.
One of my jobs is in Community Health, for the CLSC (centre local de services communautaires) It's much easier to go to the schools to give Twinrix, DpT, MMR boosters and Gardasil that way. Some parents put off getting boosters, or forget, or misplace the paperwork or don't know because we have a lot of immigrants or whatever. This way, we send info sheet, and consent forms home, and then do all the vaccinations for the whole school in a day or two. I live in a really big city, though.
Just for the record I'm not being proud, horrified, guilty, disgusted, flummoxed, elated, or joyous, etc. I'm stating a fact, in case some are easily confused.

I do not think the Gardisil vaccine should be given at school. That's a personal decision that parents need to make for their girls.

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:

I do not think the Gardisil vaccine should be given at school. That's a personal decision that parents need to make for their girls.

HPV effects over 50% of the population. It might be a personal decision that parents need to make NOW, but if we as a society want to wipe out this disease,

we're going to have to treat it like Polio (and smallpox when I was little), and vaccinate ALL the children.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

I do not think the Gardisil vaccine should be given at school. That's a personal decision that parents need to make for their girls.
HPV effects over 50% of the population. It might be a personal decision that parents need to make NOW, but if we as a society want to wipe out this disease,
we're going to have to treat it like Polio (and smallpox when I was little), and vaccinate ALL the children.

It's not going to wipe it out even if everyone gets it. The vaccine only covers some of the strains, when HPV is like the flu - it has tons of different strains and it mutates. And it's new - it is not yet proven enough for some people, and that is their decision to make.

Ohfour · Hooker

ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

I do not think the Gardisil vaccine should be given at school. That's a personal decision that parents need to make for their girls.
HPV effects over 50% of the population. It might be a personal decision that parents need to make NOW, but if we as a society want to wipe out this disease,
we're going to have to treat it like Polio (and smallpox when I was little), and vaccinate ALL the children.

TOTALLY different circumstance. This is not airborne. This is transmitted a certain way. Through sexual intercourse.

huskerbb · Guru

I'm torn on this one.

It's not in the same class of disease as, say, measles or pertussis which are much more easily communicable.

At the same time, many parents are stunningly naive. They say things like, well, I don't have to worry about it for my daughter because she would "never" have premarital sex--and then she does.

FNW · Guru

While I do not have daughters to worry about it, I am on the fence about this issue. I know four people, one of which died from cervical cancer, the other three agonize each time they get a pap/vag exam because they have the HPV. Each one of these women "caught" HPV from their husbands. My MIL caught it from FIL, and sMIL has it as well. If...and because there is not enough information on this vaccine it's a big if.....it safely prevents contraction of HPV without any side effects, then I'm all for it. But like others have said, not enough information is known about the long term ramifications of vaccination.

Women are going to have sex. Probably some unprotected sex as well, so why not arm them?

huskerbb · Guru

PLENTY is known about long term effects of vaccination. They work nearly EVERY time at preventing the disease they are supposed to. They are effective and safe.

To say this one is different than that one just isn't an argument. They all work basically the same way.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
PLENTY is known about long term effects of vaccination. They work nearly EVERY time at preventing the disease they are supposed to. They are effective and safe.

To say this one is different than that one just isn't an argument. They all work basically the same way.

Most vaccines have been around for decades, if not a century. The Human Services Vaccine Registry acknowledges 88 injuries and 8 deaths related to recieving the Gardisil vaccine and as of only 2010, more than 18,000 complaints were recieved about side effects. I was ALL for this vaccine until adverse reactions started occurring. More research is needed. And Gardisil, btw, only covers 4 strains. There is another vaccination that covers another 2 strains. But there are 100 types of HPV. And the body, in most cases, will clear HPV on its own within 2 years.

So, yes, asking if the risks outweigh the benefits is something that parents should do. There is no reason a parent cannot question things and make a decision themselves.

Tangerine · Guru

I'm hoping more info will be available by the time Bunny is old enough for this vaccine. Some estimates put HPV infection rates as high as 80% of the population, but as LL says most infections clear on their own and the vaccine certainly does not protect against all strains.
I understand it was designed to protect against the most likely to cause cancer strains, though and I do think that is important.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
PLENTY is known about long term effects of vaccination. They work nearly EVERY time at preventing the disease they are supposed to. They are effective and safe.

To say this one is different than that one just isn't an argument. They all work basically the same way.
Most vaccines have been around for decades, if not a century. The Human Services Vaccine Registry acknowledges 88 injuries and 8 deaths related to recieving the Gardisil vaccine and as of only 2010, more than 18,000 complaints were recieved about side effects. I was ALL for this vaccine until adverse reactions started occurring. More research is needed. And Gardisil, btw, only covers 4 strains. There is another vaccination that covers another 2 strains. But there are 100 types of HPV. And the body, in most cases, will clear HPV on its own within 2 years.
So, yes, asking if the risks outweigh the benefits is something that parents should do. There is no reason a parent cannot question things and make a decision themselves.

But they are by far the most common strains, covering approximately 96% of all HPV cases.

Ohfour · Hooker

So? Most cases clear up by themselves. 10 years worth of data is NOT enough to mandate a vaccine. You have no idea the long term side effects. No thank you. DD will not be getting it for her daughter either...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
PLENTY is known about long term effects of vaccination. They work nearly EVERY time at preventing the disease they are supposed to. They are effective and safe.

To say this one is different than that one just isn't an argument. They all work basically the same way.
Most vaccines have been around for decades, if not a century. The Human Services Vaccine Registry acknowledges 88 injuries and 8 deaths related to recieving the Gardisil vaccine and as of only 2010, more than 18,000 complaints were recieved about side effects. I was ALL for this vaccine until adverse reactions started occurring. More research is needed. And Gardisil, btw, only covers 4 strains. There is another vaccination that covers another 2 strains. But there are 100 types of HPV. And the body, in most cases, will clear HPV on its own within 2 years.
So, yes, asking if the risks outweigh the benefits is something that parents should do. There is no reason a parent cannot question things and make a decision themselves.
But they are by far the most common strains, covering approximately 96% of all HPV cases.

Where are you getting that number?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I don't feel it is necessary.

Had one doctor try to tell me it was mandatory.

Uh. No. None of the vaccines are mandatory.

Look, the diseases that are transmitted through social and nondirect contact, I have no problem getting vaccinations.

And isn't HPV a form of cancer?

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
PLENTY is known about long term effects of vaccination. They work nearly EVERY time at preventing the disease they are supposed to. They are effective and safe.

To say this one is different than that one just isn't an argument. They all work basically the same way.
Most vaccines have been around for decades, if not a century. The Human Services Vaccine Registry acknowledges 88 injuries and 8 deaths related to recieving the Gardisil vaccine and as of only 2010, more than 18,000 complaints were recieved about side effects. I was ALL for this vaccine until adverse reactions started occurring. More research is needed. And Gardisil, btw, only covers 4 strains. There is another vaccination that covers another 2 strains. But there are 100 types of HPV. And the body, in most cases, will clear HPV on its own within 2 years.
So, yes, asking if the risks outweigh the benefits is something that parents should do. There is no reason a parent cannot question things and make a decision themselves.
But they are by far the most common strains, covering approximately 96% of all HPV cases.
Where are you getting that number?

From information I read about HPV.

Plus, not all forms of HPV not accounted for would cause health issues.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Monday 3rd of August 2015 11:50:45 AM

Ohfour · Hooker

So you pulled it out of your ass? Cause the CDC says at most 70%....

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
So you pulled it out of your ass? Cause the CDC says at most 70%....

Web MD says 90%. I'm looking for the place I saw the other one.

Ohfour · Hooker

Two HPV vaccines are licensed by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). The bivalent HPV vaccine (Cervarix) prevents the two HPV types, 16 and 18, which cause 70% of cervical cancers.

www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv-vaccine-hcp.htm

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

You have to understand the % is the few strains that vaccine is for.

Not all strains.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

So it may have a 70% success rate for strains A,B, & C. But a 100% failure for the other 23 strains.

Or 97 strains.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
So you pulled it out of your ass? Cause the CDC says at most 70%....
Web MD says 90%. I'm looking for the place I saw the other one.

That's 90% for only the two most common causing genital warts. The two most prevelant strains over all - it's only 70%

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

No matter what, though, the number 96% shows up NOWHERE.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
You have to understand the % is the few strains that vaccine is for.

Not all strains.

But not all strains even cause health issues.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And not everyone who gets a flu shot is 100% immune to the flu.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
You have to understand the % is the few strains that vaccine is for.

Not all strains.
But not all strains even cause health issues.

Not any of the strains cause health issues all the time. That's part of the weighing pros and cons. There are side effects reported, even deaths, and it is not always a huge problem even when you get it. That's why is it a personal decision.