TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

So now I'm curious - Canadian Prime Minister

huskerbb · Guru

No round bacon jokes?

Tinydancer · Guru

I love Canada and the people are the most polite and helpful. I just don't appreciate that Welts comes here and lumps all Americans into one category. There's not a single country in this world where ALL the people do and feel the same things about any subject. I guess if it makes her feel superior she can have at it. I for one am proud to be an American and wouldn't want to be any other nationality.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
No round bacon jokes?

That is not bacon. It's ham being called bacon.

Tinydancer · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
No round bacon jokes?
That is not bacon. It's ham being called bacon.

Exactly...lol

Ohfour · Hooker

I don't care what they call it. It's still delicious.

And Canada has THE best fishing anywhere in the world. I know little to nothing about their political system though. It doesn't affect me...

FNW · Guru

He/she/it (welt) just wants to get banned so he can sulk with the others.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

I've been posting with Weltz on another board for years. She is a very interesting lady. Her politics probably don't mesh well with the majority on this board though.

Tinydancer · Guru

FNW wrote:
He/she/it (welt) just wants to get banned so he can sulk with the others.

Yes I saw that she (Welts is a girl or so LGS believes) keeps saying LL's going to ban her at any moment for no reason...lol

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

I like Canadians. I dislike their "bacon ".

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Sigh. Welts isn't even on this thread, yet, so ....REALLY people? I really want her input on the topic, and you are going to turn this into a fight before it can actually be discussed.

Banning -

I rarely ban people. I've only perma-banned 3 people from this board, and I'm pretty sure everyone knows who those 3 people are. I'm a free speech kind of gal for the most part. There also seems to be some misperceptions about who is actually banned from this board. There is one person in particular who keeps saying she is banned, and unless she's the one that signed in as incognito and got her IP banned (And I'm not saying it was her b/c I've always had other suspicians) - I am unaware of that particular ban and she would be welcome here. And the nonsense about me banning liberals is just that - nonsense. The ones that are gone tend to leave on their own in a huff.

FNW · Guru

Lexxy wrote:
I've been posting with Weltz on another board for years. She is a very interesting lady. Her politics probably don't mesh well with the majority on this board though.

THat's good to know. Based on what she's posted here and what she's saying about us on the other board, I was beginning to think she was trolling, but apparently I misjudged.

burns07 · Guru

love Canada--absolutely beautiful countryside--especially BC, the Canadian Rockies, etc. --pristine and EMPTY--have always admired how they care for their public lands--their politics, must admit, are somewhat incomprehensible to me but then do not have the experience of living in the country for a long period of time--when comparing the efficacy / logistics of various systems with theirs is useful to remember the huge disparity in our respective populations--35 to 40 million Canadians to our 300 million plus

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Sigh. Welts isn't even on this thread, yet, so ....REALLY people? I really want her input on the topic, and you are going to turn this into a fight before it can actually be discussed.

Banning -

I rarely ban people. I've only perma-banned 3 people from this board, and I'm pretty sure everyone knows who those 3 people are. I'm a free speech kind of gal for the most part. There also seems to be some misperceptions about who is actually banned from this board. There is one person in particular who keeps saying she is banned, and unless she's the one that signed in as incognito and got her IP banned (And I'm not saying it was her b/c I've always had other suspicians) - I am unaware of that particular ban and she would be welcome here. And the nonsense about me banning liberals is just that - nonsense. The ones that are gone tend to leave on their own in a huff.

Totally agree...

All of the Canadians I know do not like their PM either, but neither do they like Obama. I would also be curious to know why the lovefest for him when he is guilty of doing the same things as their PM. Also, I would like to know why they care about our leaders? Because I couldn't even name one of theirs. Why do they meddle in our politics?

This is asked with sincere inquisition. I can't get this answer from any of my Canadian friends...

weltschmerz · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
So, Welts made me curious about the Canadian prime minister and I went reading. Seems he's not very popular, but this stood out to me -

"If there is one area in which Harper is particularly vulnerable, it’s the charge that he runs one of the most undemocratic regimes in Canadian history – and has undermined and abused democratic institutions and procedures at every turn. In fact, he is the only Canadian prime minister to be found in contempt of Parliament, which occurred in 2011 after his government refused to release costs on certain programs to opposition MPs."

THAT just reminds me so much of Obama and it's one of the reasons conservatives hate Obama, which I find interesting b/c it's one of the reasons liberals in Canada dislike Harper. I guess it just depends on what they are abusing their power to accomplish.
Here is the article I was reading - http://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/05/18/news/harper-worst-prime-minister-history

So - I'm just curious. And let's avoid the Canada bashing, please. If you can't discuss Canada without insulting all its citizens, please don't join the discussion.

I really dislike Harper, even though I voted for him many years ago. It's not just what you mentioned, but his anti-environmental stances are repugnant to me. He's fired many environmental scientists, muzzled them, and denied them access to their own research. He thinks it's fine to build oil-shipping ports in marine breeding grounds of endangered species. He's sold too much of our country to foreign interests.

It's time for him to go.

Silence of the Labs.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2429411271/

weltschmerz · Guru

Lexxy wrote:
I've been posting with Weltz on another board for years. She is a very interesting lady. Her politics probably don't mesh well with the majority on this board though.

Thank you, Lexxy. Yeah, my political stances are diametrically opposed to those of most people on this board. I didn't come here expecting to be liked.

I did join a very, very liberal board (Democratic Undergound), but it just wasn't interesting to me, because everyone was high-fiving each other and slapping each other on the back. There was virtually no debate or discourse.

huskerbb · Guru

I, too, like political discourse--but it's going to get heated at times. If you are going to be a whiner about that, then such threads are not for you.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Sigh. Welts isn't even on this thread, yet, so ....REALLY people? I really want her input on the topic, and you are going to turn this into a fight before it can actually be discussed.

Banning -

I rarely ban people. I've only perma-banned 3 people from this board, and I'm pretty sure everyone knows who those 3 people are. I'm a free speech kind of gal for the most part. There also seems to be some misperceptions about who is actually banned from this board. There is one person in particular who keeps saying she is banned, and unless she's the one that signed in as incognito and got her IP banned (And I'm not saying it was her b/c I've always had other suspicians) - I am unaware of that particular ban and she would be welcome here. And the nonsense about me banning liberals is just that - nonsense. The ones that are gone tend to leave on their own in a huff.

This is what bothers me so much about this board. People act all innocent like they don't do anything wrong but Weltz hadn't even posted and people already started in. You can't have a debate. At least it seems like people don't want one.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

weltschmerz wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
So, Welts made me curious about the Canadian prime minister and I went reading. Seems he's not very popular, but this stood out to me -

"If there is one area in which Harper is particularly vulnerable, it’s the charge that he runs one of the most undemocratic regimes in Canadian history – and has undermined and abused democratic institutions and procedures at every turn. In fact, he is the only Canadian prime minister to be found in contempt of Parliament, which occurred in 2011 after his government refused to release costs on certain programs to opposition MPs."

THAT just reminds me so much of Obama and it's one of the reasons conservatives hate Obama, which I find interesting b/c it's one of the reasons liberals in Canada dislike Harper. I guess it just depends on what they are abusing their power to accomplish.
Here is the article I was reading - http://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/05/18/news/harper-worst-prime-minister-history

So - I'm just curious. And let's avoid the Canada bashing, please. If you can't discuss Canada without insulting all its citizens, please don't join the discussion.
I really dislike Harper, even though I voted for him many years ago. It's not just what you mentioned, but his anti-environmental stances are repugnant to me. He's fired many environmental scientists, muzzled them, and denied them access to their own research. He thinks it's fine to build oil-shipping ports in marine breeding grounds of endangered species. He's sold too much of our country to foreign interests.
It's time for him to go.

Silence of the Labs.
http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2429411271/

And do you have an opinion on Obama?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

weltschmerz wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
I've been posting with Weltz on another board for years. She is a very interesting lady. Her politics probably don't mesh well with the majority on this board though.
Thank you, Lexxy. Yeah, my political stances are diametrically opposed to those of most people on this board. I didn't come here expecting to be liked.
I did join a very, very liberal board (Democratic Undergound), but it just wasn't interesting to me, because everyone was high-fiving each other and slapping each other on the back. There was virtually no debate or discourse.

That was actually kind of obvious. But you also seemed to come in with pre-existing opinons about other members.

weltschmerz · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
So, Welts made me curious about the Canadian prime minister and I went reading. Seems he's not very popular, but this stood out to me -

"If there is one area in which Harper is particularly vulnerable, it’s the charge that he runs one of the most undemocratic regimes in Canadian history – and has undermined and abused democratic institutions and procedures at every turn. In fact, he is the only Canadian prime minister to be found in contempt of Parliament, which occurred in 2011 after his government refused to release costs on certain programs to opposition MPs."

THAT just reminds me so much of Obama and it's one of the reasons conservatives hate Obama, which I find interesting b/c it's one of the reasons liberals in Canada dislike Harper. I guess it just depends on what they are abusing their power to accomplish.
Here is the article I was reading - http://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/05/18/news/harper-worst-prime-minister-history

So - I'm just curious. And let's avoid the Canada bashing, please. If you can't discuss Canada without insulting all its citizens, please don't join the discussion.
I really dislike Harper, even though I voted for him many years ago. It's not just what you mentioned, but his anti-environmental stances are repugnant to me. He's fired many environmental scientists, muzzled them, and denied them access to their own research. He thinks it's fine to build oil-shipping ports in marine breeding grounds of endangered species. He's sold too much of our country to foreign interests.
It's time for him to go.

Silence of the Labs.
http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2429411271/

And do you have an opinion on Obama?

I like most things about Obama...not everything. I think he's doing the best he can with what he has to work with.

This thread, however, is about Harper.

Ohfour · Hooker

No, it's comparing the two. How some people can be so anti Harper and so pro Obama is really the point of the OP...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

weltschmerz wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
So, Welts made me curious about the Canadian prime minister and I went reading. Seems he's not very popular, but this stood out to me -

"If there is one area in which Harper is particularly vulnerable, it’s the charge that he runs one of the most undemocratic regimes in Canadian history – and has undermined and abused democratic institutions and procedures at every turn. In fact, he is the only Canadian prime minister to be found in contempt of Parliament, which occurred in 2011 after his government refused to release costs on certain programs to opposition MPs."

THAT just reminds me so much of Obama and it's one of the reasons conservatives hate Obama, which I find interesting b/c it's one of the reasons liberals in Canada dislike Harper. I guess it just depends on what they are abusing their power to accomplish.
Here is the article I was reading - http://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/05/18/news/harper-worst-prime-minister-history

So - I'm just curious. And let's avoid the Canada bashing, please. If you can't discuss Canada without insulting all its citizens, please don't join the discussion.
I really dislike Harper, even though I voted for him many years ago. It's not just what you mentioned, but his anti-environmental stances are repugnant to me. He's fired many environmental scientists, muzzled them, and denied them access to their own research. He thinks it's fine to build oil-shipping ports in marine breeding grounds of endangered species. He's sold too much of our country to foreign interests.
It's time for him to go.

Silence of the Labs.
http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2429411271/

And do you have an opinion on Obama?
I like most things about Obama...not everything. I think he's doing the best he can with what he has to work with.
This thread, however, is about Harper.

Ah, but my OP did question what the article said is a big problem with Harper, and he shares that egotistical trait with Obama.

What party would Harper belong to here? And if not for the environmental issues - which I realize are near and dear to your heart - would he be okay?

weltschmerz · Guru

Well, he is an evangelical, so probably Republican. Hard to say for sure, though.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

yeah, I think that Harper would fall into the Republican category as well. He's an a$$. I'm not sure that this next election will be any better though.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Well, I don't know how a Republican gets elected there and such an extreme liberal here. Can we trade you all our liberals for your conservatives? I think that would work best.

weltschmerz · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, I don't know how a Republican gets elected there and such an extreme liberal here. Can we trade you all our liberals for your conservatives? I think that would work best.

Harper is not a Republican. We don't have a Republican Party. He's a Progressive Conservative.

I'd vote for the Rhinoceros Party before I'd vote for Harper again. They're gathering forces with this upcoming election. They got quite a few votes last time.

https://mononcqc.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/rhinoceros-party-of-canada-or-why-canada-used-to-own-politics/

Last time, they declared war on Belgium. Belgium responded by sending them cases of Belgian beer and mussels.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 3rd of August 2015 11:11:47 PM

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

weltschmerz wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, I don't know how a Republican gets elected there and such an extreme liberal here. Can we trade you all our liberals for your conservatives? I think that would work best.
Harper is not a Republican. We don't have a Republican Party. He's a Progressive Conservative.
I'd vote for the Rhinoceros Party before I'd vote for Harper again. They're gathering forces with this upcoming election. They got quite a few votes last time.
https://mononcqc.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/rhinoceros-party-of-canada-or-why-canada-used-to-own-politics/

Last time, they declared war on Belgium. Belgium responded by sending them cases of Belgian beer and mussels.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 3rd of August 2015 11:11:47 PM

This upcoming election is going to be a disaster. With a choice between Harper and Justin Trudeau we're not left with much. I think that Justin is closer to Obama when it comes to playing around in office. I voted Green in the last BC election because even though I knew they had no chance of winning it was better than voting for Christy Clark or whoever was running NDP. Of course, Clark won and now we're dealing with LNG and Yoga on the Bridge on Aboriginals Day. It's a bloody joke.

weltschmerz · Guru

Tignanello wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, I don't know how a Republican gets elected there and such an extreme liberal here. Can we trade you all our liberals for your conservatives? I think that would work best.
Harper is not a Republican. We don't have a Republican Party. He's a Progressive Conservative.
I'd vote for the Rhinoceros Party before I'd vote for Harper again. They're gathering forces with this upcoming election. They got quite a few votes last time.
https://mononcqc.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/rhinoceros-party-of-canada-or-why-canada-used-to-own-politics/

Last time, they declared war on Belgium. Belgium responded by sending them cases of Belgian beer and mussels.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 3rd of August 2015 11:11:47 PM
This upcoming election is going to be a disaster. With a choice between Harper and Justin Trudeau we're not left with much. I think that Justin is closer to Obama when it comes to playing around in office. I voted Green in the last BC election because even though I knew they had no chance of winning it was better than voting for Christy Clark or whoever was running NDP. Of course, Clark won and now we're dealing with LNG and Yoga on the Bridge on Aboriginals Day. It's a bloody joke.

It's a choice between Harper and Mulcair.

apple · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
I love Canada and the people are the most polite and helpful. I just don't appreciate that Welts comes here and lumps all Americans into one category. There's not a single country in this world where ALL the people do and feel the same things about any subject. I guess if it makes her feel superior she can have at it. I for one am proud to be an American and wouldn't want to be any other nationality.

Canada is a large country and you can't really dump all Canadians into one category either. Just the same, one person does not represent all of Canada. Keep that in mind.

I am happy to have grown up a Canadian, I also am extremely happy to have such wonderful neighbors. One thing that I have found is that the internet and message boards like this one have let me get to know my American neighbors even better.

The most notable thing to me is the vast difference from north to south and between political parties there is a very distinct polarization.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

Spectrum of Canadian political parties with American Democrats, American Republicans and Communists added for perspective. Does this help?

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

weltschmerz wrote:
Tignanello wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, I don't know how a Republican gets elected there and such an extreme liberal here. Can we trade you all our liberals for your conservatives? I think that would work best.
Harper is not a Republican. We don't have a Republican Party. He's a Progressive Conservative.
I'd vote for the Rhinoceros Party before I'd vote for Harper again. They're gathering forces with this upcoming election. They got quite a few votes last time.
https://mononcqc.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/rhinoceros-party-of-canada-or-why-canada-used-to-own-politics/

Last time, they declared war on Belgium. Belgium responded by sending them cases of Belgian beer and mussels.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 3rd of August 2015 11:11:47 PM
This upcoming election is going to be a disaster. With a choice between Harper and Justin Trudeau we're not left with much. I think that Justin is closer to Obama when it comes to playing around in office. I voted Green in the last BC election because even though I knew they had no chance of winning it was better than voting for Christy Clark or whoever was running NDP. Of course, Clark won and now we're dealing with LNG and Yoga on the Bridge on Aboriginals Day. It's a bloody joke.
It's a choice between Harper and Mulcair.

Except here in BC where Trudeau is the lead. Heaven knows why. We tried Clark and that was an epic fail. You'd think we'd learn. I need to know more about Mulcair, however. He hasn't got much of a presence out here.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

Although he might be my vote by default.