If they are so good about providing birth control, why are they providing so many abortions. If they were successful in that endeavor, they wouldn't need to kill so many babies. They enjoy performing abortions. That's the real money maker...

Road to Hell and all that.

It's like saying " oh Ted Bundy washed his mother's windows once".

First of all--#5 is controversial because it includes abortion.

Second, if they quit performing abortions--I'll quit being opposed to their funding.

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By the way, the Minnesota dentist provided oral cancer screening for ALL of his patients. So, why the moral outrage over the killing of one lion when he did so much good for others?

If people can't see the double standard, they are f'd up.

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Well said!!!   However, I am not morally outraged over killing a lion in the first place.  But, then again, the ProDeathers don't seem bothered by hacking up little children either. 

I think people are confusing breast exams with mammograms.

I don't have a problem with them referring people to other doctors. That's a common practice.

You know what? If PP was actually putting as much effort into preventing pregnancy as they do in fighting for abortion rights - they would have a lot less abortions to do.

...and a fifth film of PP was released this morning.

Yeah, they are real winners. Mengele would be so proud.

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Well, abortion is and has been on the decrease for the last 10 years. I think this would be in part to the education and birth control offered at planned parenthood.
That's a good thing right?

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Any decline s a good thing, but still over 1 million a year in the US alone.  That's so sad.  Do you know that over half of all black babies in NYC are aborted?   And that city has a plethora of PP clinics.  If we could stop abortion being used as birth control, I think more people would take prevention seriously...

I am pro-choice. I used PP because my self-insurance did not include birth control coverage or prenatal care.

With that being said, since we HAVE Obamacare, why do we still need PP? Isnt the whole point of ACA to provide everyone with health care coverage by a doctor, not a clinic?

With that being said, since we HAVE Obamacare, why do we still need PP? Isnt the whole point of ACA to provide everyone with health care coverage by a doctor, not a clinic?
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If Obamacare actually worked, I would agree with you. Since it doesn't work, I think we are better off still having the clinics.

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We still have clinics for the millions who don't qualify for and are exempt from ACA coverage.

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 Then what was the point of ACA?  

Look, I actually do not agree with Universal Health care, at least not as compared with what the individual countries of Europe have (apples and oranges comparisons, along with the understanding that those programs have inheirant problems that the average american doesn't know about). 

But I find it 110% hypocritical of the left to defend PP when they are also saying that the ACA is working.  If they TRUELY cared about providing health care for all, they would have ensured that the poor women of the country were the FIRST to get included in a health insurance policy. 

 

 

I wonder how many of you who are SO anti-PP have ever been inside to actually see how they operate? I have and have used several of the services they offer. In my area, I know of 8 PP clinics. Only one performs the abortion procedures. The rest perform womens health services such as the rest of the stuff mentioned.

Yes, they perform abortions. Guess what, so does your OB/GYN probably, just not on as large of a scale since they are not a national program. I know the Womens Health Center I do to does perform them. So does the hospital.

They also provide low or no cost options for women's health such as pap smears and breast exams. As far as the pic, it could be considered porn by showing a breast exam. Showing a mammogram is a better choice than a person lying down and being felt up.

Yes, they treat STIs. Yes, they offer birth control at reasonable prices or free.

Yes, they offer counseling. Again, it is a human who is doing counseling and humans are not perfect. We have our own opinions and they do come out when counseling happens. Sometimes it gets so overwhelming that you just don't care anymore. That is a counselor who should not be doing that anymore.

What is really needed is more education about pregnancy, abstinence and birth control by the parent and the education system. Parents who are talking to their children about using protection (and properly). More availability of birth control to prevent those pregnancies in the first place. More people working toward preventing those pregnancies.

More compassion and less hatred. Less Judgement.

And doctors that may do abortions in thier offices are not using taxpayer funds to lobby and support political candidates to further expand abortion availability. And I would think the doctors are actually considering their patients' health, and are accepted at local hospitals in case something goes wrong, and that they talk to and counsel the women. PP is about preventing the birth of children - whatever the method.

I also know for a fact that my OB does not do elective abortions. We have discussed it. When I lost my last child, she asked if I wanted to deliver him or if I wanted her to perform a D&C. We talked about it, the subject of abortion came up and she said outright that she does not perform elective abortions...

In the fifth of a series of videos from the Center for Medical Progress, a woman identified as Melissa Farrell, director of research for Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast, discusses contributing to the organization's "diversification of the revenue stream" and the potential to "get creative" with conditions for procurement needs. The video was reportedly filmed in April at a Planned Parenthood facility in Texas.

 

"Just depending on the patient's anatomy, how many weeks, where it's placed in the uterus ... we're going to potentially be able to have some that will be more or less intact and then some that will not be," she says.

"But it's something that we can look at exploring how we can make that happen so we have a higher chance," she adds.

"And we've had studies in which the company, or in the case of the investigator, has a specific need for a certain portion of the products of conception and we bake that into our contract, and our protocol, that we follow this. So we deviate from our standard in order to do that.

"If we alter our process and we are able to obtain intact fetal cadavers, then we can make it part of the budget, that any dissections are this, and splitting the specimens into different shipments is this. I mean, it's all just a matter of line items," she says.

Planned Parenthood, which has argued the series of videos are a part of a smear campaign against the organization, quickly fired back.

"The footage released today doesn’t show Planned Parenthood staff engaged in any wrongdoing or agreeing to violate any legal or medical standards," Planned Parenthood Executive Vice President Dawn Laguens said in a six-paragraph statement.

"Instead, the latest tape shows an extremely offensive intrusion and lack of respect for women, with footage of medical tissue in a lab. These extremists show a total lack of compassion and dignity for women’s most personal medical decisions," she added.

Laguens said the latest video "will be difficult for many people to see," adding that "[m]edical procedures and medical research are often difficult to watch."

Laguens alluded to graphic images in the video of a gloved hand with tweezers sifting through a dish of fetal parts and tissue.

"It is standard medical practice to review tissue to ensure the health and safety of patients, and this tissue was being examined and handled under the false pretense of a standard laboratory site visit for people purportedly conducting qualified medical research," she said.

Planned Parenthood has pushed back strongly the videos released over the past few weeks. Officials note that the recordings are heavily edited and maintain that the group does not profit from the transfer of fetal parts and tissue to researchers, but does receive payment to cover costs related to the tissue's preservation and transfer.

The Center for Medical Progress's David Daleiden said earlier Tuesday on CNN's “New Day" that the most recent video shows evidence of "how Planned Parenthood is willing to sell fully intact fetuses to buyers of aborted fetal tissue.”

Debate over federal funding for Planned Parenthood is expected to resume on Capitol Hill after Congress's August recess, after a measure to defund the group failed in the Senate on Monday.

Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards defended the group on Monday, saying the Senate vote was “about denying women access to healthcare in this country.”

The Center for Medical Progress has said it will release more videos.

 

 

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So, PP's response is that "These extremists show a total lack of compassion and dignity for women’s most personal medical decisions," she added."  And yet, talking about their aborted fetuses as nothing more than "line items" shows TONS of compassion and dignity for women's most personal medical decisions.