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family in public housing makes $498,000. HUD wants them to stay.

 

 

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A family of four in New York City makes $497,911 a year but pays $1,574 a month to live in public housing in a three-bedroom apartment subsidized by taxpayers.

In Los Angeles, a family of five that’s lived in public housing since 1974 made $204,784 last year but paid $1,091 for a four-bedroom apartment. And a tenant with assets worth $1.6 million — including stocks, real estate and retirement accounts — last year paid $300 for a one-bedroom apartment in public housing in Oxford, Neb.

In a new report, the watchdog for the Department of Housing and Urban Development describes these and more than 25,000 other “over income” families earning more than the maximum income for government-subsidized housing as an “egregious” abuse of the system. While the family in New York with an annual income of almost $500,000 raked in $790,500 in rental income on its real estate holdings in recent years, more than 300,000 families that really qualify for public housing lingered on waiting lists, auditors found.

But HUD has no plans to kick these families out, because its policy doesn’t require over-income tenants to leave, the agency’s inspector general found. In fact, it encourages them to stay in public housing.

“Since regulations and policies did not require housing authorities to evict over income families or require them to find housing in the unassisted market, [they] continued to reside in public housing units,” investigators for Inspector General David Montoya wrote.

[During the shutdown, a HUD employee put thousands on his agency credit card for hotels, groceries]

The review, conducted in 2014 and 2015 at the request of  Rep. Phil Roe (R-Tenn.), found that 45 percent of the 25,226 public housing tenants with incomes higher than the threshold to get into the system were making $10,000 to $70,000 a year more. About 1,200 of them had exceeded the income limits for nine years or more, and almost 18,000 for more than a year.

HUD sets the low-income limits at 80 percent and very low-income limits at 50 percent of the median income for the local area. The agency sets  “fair market rents” every year based on incomes, housing demand and supply. In Los Angeles, for example, the threshold was $70,450 for a family of five. In Oxford, Neb., it was $33,500 for an individual.

New York, Puerto Rico and Texas had the most over-income families in public housing, while Utah, Idaho and Wyoming had the fewest, investigators found.

About 1.1 million families in the country live in public housing. The over-income tenants represent 2.6 percent of the system. Based on these numbers, HUD officials said the inspector general was  “overemphasizing” the problem. But the watchdog didn’t buy it.

“Although 25,226 over income families is a small percentage of the approximate 1.1 million families receiving public housing assistance, we did not find that HUD and public housing authorities had taken or planned to take sufficient steps to reduce at least the egregious examples of over income families in public housing,” the audit said. “Therefore, it is reasonable to expect the number of over income families participating in the program to increase over time.”

The watchdog estimated that taxpayers will pay more than $104 million over the next year to keep these families in public housing, money that should be used for low-income people.

[HUD offers help to ‘surviving spouses’ who are facing the loss of their houses]

But under HUD regulations, public housing tenants can stay as long as they want, no matter how much money they make, as long as they are good tenants. The agency is only required to consider a tenant’s income when an individual or family applies for housing, not once they’re in the system. This is different from the housing choice voucher program that used to be called Section 8, which gives families subsidies for rentals in private apartment buildings. That program has an annual income limit; tenants who go above it get less money.

Tenants can wait years to get into both programs.

HUD tweaked its policy on high-earning tenants in 2004, encouraging the thousands of housing authorities in the system to move families out of public housing if they earn more than the income limit for their area. While HUD gives money to the housing authorities, they’re run by states and local governments.

But the 15 authorities investigators looked at told them they had no plans to evict these families, because if they did, poverty would continue to be concentrated in government-subsidized housing. The goal, they said, was to create diverse, mixed-income communities and allow tenants who are making good money to serve as role models for others.

HUD officials repeatedly objected to the audit, saying that evicting over-income families could “negatively affect their employment and destabilize properties.”

“There are positive social benefits from having families with varying income levels residing in the same property,” Milan Ozdinec, HUD’s deputy assistant secretary for public housing and voucher programs, wrote in a lengthy rebuttal to the inspector general.

“Forcing families to leave public housing could impact their ability to maintain employment if they are not able to find suitable housing in the neighborhood,” Ozdinec wrote. “Further, for families with children, it may be more difficult to find affordable child care, and it may impact school-age children’s learning if they are forced to change schools during a school year.”

The watchdog said it didn’t believe that HUD should kick out every family that earns more than the income threshold. But at the very least, the agency should create “limits to avoid egregious cases.”

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This is just ridiculous. Why are tax dollars subsidizing these people. Aaaaaaagggggghhhhhhh. This is why people hate welfare programs!

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We have this kind of stuff here too. People get into HUD homes, real houses, and then stay forever. The waiting list to get on HUD is ridiculous. This is one of the reasons it's so hard for abused women to leave. There's no place for them to go once the shelter can't help them.

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Don't want to kick them out? Just raise their rent. Double, triple, more, based on their income from their tax returns.

 



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I don't know why anyone, in their right mind, would want to stay in government housing a second longer than they have to. I can understand preferring to be homeless than living in some of the housing.



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I don't know why anyone, in their right mind, would want to stay in government housing a second longer than they have to. I can understand preferring to be homeless than living in some of the housing.


 This was me.  I lived in it.  It was small. I mean TINY.  And they had to spray for bugs all the time.  My neighbor always banged on my floor because I lived upstairs and said the kids made too much noise.  Okay, YOU keep three small children quiet all day long.  It was always hot in the summer and cold in the winter.  Parking was a nightmare.  Lugging laundry and groceries up and down stairs...  UGH.  It worked when I needed it but I was glad to leave.



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lilyofcourse wrote:

I don't know why anyone, in their right mind, would want to stay in government housing a second longer than they have to. I can understand preferring to be homeless than living in some of the housing.


 This was me.  I lived in it.  It was small. I mean TINY.  And they had to spray for bugs all the time.  My neighbor always banged on my floor because I lived upstairs and said the kids made too much noise.  Okay, YOU keep three small children quiet all day long.  It was always hot in the summer and cold in the winter.  Parking was a nightmare.  Lugging laundry and groceries up and down stairs...  UGH.  It worked when I needed it but I was glad to leave.


 My friend lived in government housing. It was just a normal apartment building. I'm sure there are bad places, but the newer stuff is nice.



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Around here, section 8 housing is mostly single family homes. They start off as nice homes and the owners go section 8 because they know they will get paid.

By the end of a year though, 99% of them are dumps. And it's almost impossible to kick people out of section 8 houses.

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Example of a Section 8 house in Middle TN....

 

 

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lilyofcourse wrote:

I don't know why anyone, in their right mind, would want to stay in government housing a second longer than they have to. I can understand preferring to be homeless than living in some of the housing.


 It's in very expensive cities where the rent is usually exhorbitant.



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Around here, section 8 housing is mostly single family homes. They start off as nice homes and the owners go section 8 because they know they will get paid.

By the end of a year though, 99% of them are dumps. And it's almost impossible to kick people out of section 8 houses.


 It is still legal in my county to say "No, thank you." to Section 8 when offering a rental.



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It has been suggested to me a few times that I turn my rental into Section 8 housing because you are guaranteed the majority of the rent but I just don't want to get into it.

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It has been suggested to me a few times that I turn my rental into Section 8 housing because you are guaranteed the majority of the rent but I just don't want to get into it.


DON'T.  I've yet to hear of a Section 8 house that wasn't destroyed.  And if you need to evict them, be prepared for it to take forever... 



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It has been suggested to me a few times that I turn my rental into Section 8 housing because you are guaranteed the majority of the rent but I just don't want to get into it.


DON'T.  I've yet to hear of a Section 8 house that wasn't destroyed.  And if you need to evict them, be prepared for it to take forever... 


 Yeah it's hard enough to evict a regular tenant.  I don't want the government in any more of my business than they already are.



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lilyofcourse wrote:

I don't know why anyone, in their right mind, would want to stay in government housing a second longer than they have to. I can understand preferring to be homeless than living in some of the housing.


 This was me.  I lived in it.  It was small. I mean TINY.  And they had to spray for bugs all the time.  My neighbor always banged on my floor because I lived upstairs and said the kids made too much noise.  Okay, YOU keep three small children quiet all day long.  It was always hot in the summer and cold in the winter.  Parking was a nightmare.  Lugging laundry and groceries up and down stairs...  UGH.  It worked when I needed it but I was glad to leave.


 My friend lived in government housing. It was just a normal apartment building. I'm sure there are bad places, but the newer stuff is nice.


 I lived in an apartment.  The apartment itself wasn't bad.  Just small.  It wasn't torn up or anything.  When we moved out there wasn't a single hole in the wall or anything that needed replacing.  We did not tear crap up.  As far as upkeep, it was always hard to get them to do anything in those places.  Any just normal every day wear and tear was a nightmare.  The people were nice enough.  Some were a little strange.  A few of the elderly people were less than friendly shall we say.  But generally the people were all decent people.  At least to me anyway.  We did have a stigma.  Everyone knew they were section 8 housing.  We were right in the middle of a housing development.  A lot of the people that lived in the nice houses that backed up to our apartments wouldn't let their kids play with ours.  We were "trash".  And any time the police came out for anything people ran.  The police would come in and FIND a reason to harass you.  I had one spit in my face one time.



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I think the house next door is rented out as section 8 housing. Someone will live in a few months and leave. Then the owner spends 6 months fixing everything. The people living there now are quiet but they aren't hauling their trash. It's just building up in the back. To go ANYWHERE you pass the dump. it's opened 12 hours a day 6 days a week. They have a truck so it can't be because they have no way to haul it. Wonder how long this family will last.

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My former MIL lived in government housing. Why not? She worked for DFACs anyway.

Talk about someone who milked the system.

If there was a program she wasn't on, it wasn't invented yet.

Anyway, it was an apartment. Thankfully she had an end unit. It was full of bugs. There was only enough room to get by. We lived there for almost 2 months after we married. I had had enough. It was in a bad area, the walls were paper thin and there might have been a total of 3 English speaking families in the 200+ units.

That's where my car was scratched to heck and back and police told me filing a report would be pointless.

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Example of a Section 8 house in Middle TN....

 

 

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 Hud housing is not Section 8.  So Hud housing is when a developer receives a HUD loan to pay for the property, low interest rate. They have to set aside a large portion for low income, not section 8,  They rent is calculated based on household income.  The other property portion is market rent AT THE TIME the loan is made.  This is a BS article in that it doesn't explain all that.



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Ohfour wrote:
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It has been suggested to me a few times that I turn my rental into Section 8 housing because you are guaranteed the majority of the rent but I just don't want to get into it.


DON'T.  I've yet to hear of a Section 8 house that wasn't destroyed.  And if you need to evict them, be prepared for it to take forever... 


 Yep.  We have had so many applicants for DS' place who have SEction 8.  He is not required to accept it, TG. Won't do it, he can't afford two mortgages. 



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Ohfour wrote:

Example of a Section 8 house in Middle TN....

 

 

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 Hud housing is not Section 8.  So Hud housing is when a developer receives a HUD loan to pay for the property, low interest rate. They have to set aside a large portion for low income, not section 8,  They rent is calculated based on household income.  The other property portion is market rent AT THE TIME the loan is made.  This is a BS article in that it doesn't explain all that.


 This is not HUD housing. I googled Section 8 housing in my zip code. This came up. The title of this listing is "xxxxx (zip code) Section 8 House for Rent". The description lists the square footage, bed/bath, utility estimate, school zones. This is one of the properties that xame up.



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Example of a Section 8 house in Middle TN....

 

 

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 Hud housing is not Section 8.  So Hud housing is when a developer receives a HUD loan to pay for the property, low interest rate. They have to set aside a large portion for low income, not section 8,  They rent is calculated based on household income.  The other property portion is market rent AT THE TIME the loan is made.  This is a BS article in that it doesn't explain all that.


 This is not HUD housing. I googled Section 8 housing in my zip code. This came up. The title of this listing is "xxxxx (zip code) Section 8 House for Rent". The description lists the square footage, bed/bath, utility estimate, school zones. This is one of the properties that xame up.


 Ooops, I replied to the wrong post.  Mea culpa.  



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I don't get it. I know of people who lived/live in HUD housing and if they make more than a certain amount of money they'd have to move.

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I didn't live in HUD. I lived in Section 8. But every year they checked your income and your rent went up or down accordingly. What sucked was that it was based on an average. So if there were families poorer than you you'd be paying more rent. If you were the poorest you'd end up paying the least.

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I don't get it. I know of people who lived/live in HUD housing and if they make more than a certain amount of money they'd have to move.


 There are different housing programs in different areas. 



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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
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Example of a Section 8 house in Middle TN....

 

 

section8.jpg


 Hud housing is not Section 8.  So Hud housing is when a developer receives a HUD loan to pay for the property, low interest rate. They have to set aside a large portion for low income, not section 8,  They rent is calculated based on household income.  The other property portion is market rent AT THE TIME the loan is made.  This is a BS article in that it doesn't explain all that.


 This is not HUD housing. I googled Section 8 housing in my zip code. This came up. The title of this listing is "xxxxx (zip code) Section 8 House for Rent". The description lists the square footage, bed/bath, utility estimate, school zones. This is one of the properties that xame up.


 Ooops, I replied to the wrong post.  Mea culpa.  


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