TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

So HORRIBLY absurd - I cannot believe the levels of thoughtlessness.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I cannot stop laughing in a "how could anybody be that stupid and clueless" way.

TrudyML · Guru

Wow. Idiots.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Giant fans would probably be a better option.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lexxy wrote:
Giant fans would probably be a better option.

Ya think? LOL!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Here's the thing - someone had to come up with this bright idea, and then someone had to approve it, and probably another person approved the expense, and then somebody installed them. The fact that NO ONE along this chain stopped and thought, "you know - perhaps showers as you enter death camp where people were mass executed in the SHOWERS is not such a good idea...."

I dunno - seems like somebody should have had that thought. Just reading the headline made it jump out at me.

cadiver · Senior Member

Here what they look like:

http://www.jta.org/2015/08/31/news-opinion/the-telegraph/auschwitz-showers-for-tourists-cool-off-some-offend-others

The use of the word shower rather then mister makes the headline jump.

Water fountains may have been better. One suggestion on the site was verticle fans with a mister, not sure how that would have been received.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Those look like outdoor showers - so how would naming them "misters" help when you are right there?

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

I've seen them at outdoor concerts. They do feel really good when it is hot out but I agree they are not the best idea for this site.

cadiver · Senior Member

Lawyerlady wrote:
Those look like outdoor showers - so how would naming them "misters" help when you are right there?

They look like misters to me. Same thing used at restaurants at outdoor tables.

ed11563 · Guru

I've never seen outdoor misters like these, used by people with their clothes on.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

ed11563 wrote:
I've never seen outdoor misters like these, used by people with their clothes on.

These are very common, in Texas.

At the zoo.

Outdoor restaurants.

Six Flags.

They are all over the place.

They spray a fine mist, that feels good on a hot day.

And no, they look nothing like a shower.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
I've never seen outdoor misters like these, used by people with their clothes on.

These are very common, in Texas.
At the zoo.
Outdoor restaurants.
Six Flags.
They are all over the place.
They spray a fine mist, that feels good on a hot day.
And no, they look nothing like a shower.

This.

Everything could be something if you want it to be.

Look. Not dismissing the travesty that occurred there at all.

This is just silly knee jerk reaction.

weltschmerz · Guru

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
I've never seen outdoor misters like these, used by people with their clothes on.

These are very common, in Texas.
At the zoo.
Outdoor restaurants.
Six Flags.
They are all over the place.
They spray a fine mist, that feels good on a hot day.
And no, they look nothing like a shower.

Yes, the misters are ubiquitous at our outdoor festivals.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

The deadly shower room

Looks a lot different from the misting system that is outside, in the open, used in almost every outdoor venue, completely voluntary, and doesn't kill.

huskerbb · Guru

I disagree. Although I don't agree with their reasons for putting them in, I do think that they could incorporate it into some kind of mock realism that could enhance the tour for many and bring home the horror to future generations who are far removed from such horrors.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Anything related to a shower or looking like a shower for the public should NOT be put there lightly. It's horrible. As Husker said- if it was purposely put there as a teaching tool, that is different - but as comfort? I don't think so.

And the misters in THAT picture look nothing like the misters at the zoo or anyway else.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Anything related to a shower or looking like a shower for the public should NOT be put there lightly. It's horrible. As Husker said- if it was purposely put there as a teaching tool, that is different - but as comfort? I don't think so.

And the misters in THAT picture look nothing like the misters at the zoo or anyway else.

I don't think this is a permanent installation.

I'd guess these are portables.

Easy to take down and store, once the weather cools off.

As for comfort. Not wanting to have a bunch of tourists passing out left and right from the heat, seems more like a health concern, rather than just comfort.

JMHO.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Anything related to a shower or looking like a shower for the public should NOT be put there lightly. It's horrible. As Husker said- if it was purposely put there as a teaching tool, that is different - but as comfort? I don't think so.

And the misters in THAT picture look nothing like the misters at the zoo or anyway else.
I don't think this is a permanent installation.
I'd guess these are portables.
Easy to take down and store, once the weather cools off.
As for comfort. Not wanting to have a bunch of tourists passing out left and right from the heat, seems more like a health concern, rather than just comfort.
JMHO.

There are many other ways to cool people off. And this is Poland, not Texas. The average highs in the summer in Krakow is 77 degrees - not exactly killer weather.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

77??????????????????????????????? WTH? That's like winter here.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Anything related to a shower or looking like a shower for the public should NOT be put there lightly. It's horrible. As Husker said- if it was purposely put there as a teaching tool, that is different - but as comfort? I don't think so.

And the misters in THAT picture look nothing like the misters at the zoo or anyway else.
I don't think this is a permanent installation.
I'd guess these are portables.
Easy to take down and store, once the weather cools off.
As for comfort. Not wanting to have a bunch of tourists passing out left and right from the heat, seems more like a health concern, rather than just comfort.
JMHO.
There are many other ways to cool people off. And this is Poland, not Texas. The average highs in the summer in Krakow is 77 degrees - not exactly killer weather.

They are in the middle of a heat wave. That is probably why they put up some misters.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/dangerous-heat-wave-from-polan/51607149

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Anything related to a shower or looking like a shower for the public should NOT be put there lightly. It's horrible. As Husker said- if it was purposely put there as a teaching tool, that is different - but as comfort? I don't think so.

And the misters in THAT picture look nothing like the misters at the zoo or anyway else.
I don't think this is a permanent installation.
I'd guess these are portables.
Easy to take down and store, once the weather cools off.
As for comfort. Not wanting to have a bunch of tourists passing out left and right from the heat, seems more like a health concern, rather than just comfort.
JMHO.
There are many other ways to cool people off. And this is Poland, not Texas. The average highs in the summer in Krakow is 77 degrees - not exactly killer weather.
They are in the middle of a heat wave. That is probably why they put up some misters.
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/dangerous-heat-wave-from-polan/51607149

So we're talking 90s. I get that people who are not used to heat might have a problem with that - but then they shouldn't be going out to non-air-conditioned places. What is the number one advice in a heatwave? Drink lots of water, stay out of the sun, and try to stay in cool places.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

I think staying out of the heat is great advice, for people who live near enough to visit whenever they wish.

I'm sure some of the tourists traveled thousands of miles, and may never get another chance.

They are the ones who will brave the heat wave, it seems to me.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

The "shower misters" were installed b/c people had to stand in line outside without any shade. Perhaps putting up canopies for people to stand under with some fans would be a good alternative.

The Jewish people visiting the site were horrified and said that the makeshift showers resembled those their Jewish relatives were forced to use even before entering the gas chambers. I think it is their impression that should matter most, don't you?

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

It was not a good solution at this exhibit due to the nature of the exhibit. Perfectly acceptable at the zoo or amusement parks. Not well thought out for Auschwitz.

msrock · Guru

Maybe it would be better to just let them collapse from the heat or go home. If they don't want to be reminded of the horror... why in hell are they visiting there??

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

msrock wrote:
Maybe it would be better to just let them collapse from the heat or go home. If they don't want to be reminded of the horror... why in hell are they visiting there??

So, part of remembering the horrors of their relatives means going through the motions of what they went through? There is a difference between remembering and making a mockery of it. There was no thought to this whatsoever.

msrock · Guru

I just don't understand why they are even going there, if they don't want to be horrified. There's plenty else to be horrified by at the concentration camp... besides the misters that were supposed to provide some relief.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

msrock wrote:
I just don't understand why they are even going there, if they don't want to be horrified. There's plenty else to be horrified by at the concentration camp... besides the misters that were supposed to provide some relief.

Yes, there is plenty to be horrified by, without an additional modern day slap.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And why do they go? For the same reason people visit cemeteries. Their family members DIED there and were left buried there in mass graves.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 2nd of September 2015 04:05:34 PM

Ohfour · Hooker

I would think that most of the visitors there wouldn't even think a thing about it. I wouldn't have. There are a few people complaining. I understand. It's was an unfortunate choice. What to they want them to do now?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
I would think that most of the visitors there wouldn't even think a thing about it. I wouldn't have. There are a few people complaining. I understand. It's was an unfortunate choice. What to they want them to do now?

Take them down and come up with a better plan for next time, I would think. And perhaps apologize for their thoughtlessness.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

Pretty insensitive. They could come up with many many designs that would be less shower like.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And it doesn't matter that the misting showers don't resemble the gas chambers. The Jews were told they were going to the showers - that is a bad enough correlation to be insensitive.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

It was a really bad idea. You have to consider all the elements.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

So they can't ever hear the word showers?

Coach says "hit the showers", is the insensitive?

"Come to the shower". Oh the insult.

"You need a shower". Death threat!

These misters were meant to help. Nothing else.

It's rather silly being so upset about something so innocent.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
So they can't ever hear the word showers?

Coach says "hit the showers", is the insensitive?

"Come to the shower". Oh the insult.

"You need a shower". Death threat!

These misters were meant to help. Nothing else.

It's rather silly being so upset about something so innocent.

There is quite a difference between a shower in your home at a shower at the entrance to Auschwitz. If you don't understand that, you are seriously ignorant of the horrors and history of that camp.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I'm not ignorant to it at all.

I just think calling and associating these misters "showers" is ignorant and looking to be offended.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I'm not ignorant to it at all.

I just think calling and associating these misters "showers" is ignorant and looking to be offended.

I agree. Much ado about nothing.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Well, the Israeli visitors disagree with you both. And their opinion about it matters much more.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

This isn't the zoo or a restaurant. I think given the circumstances it was a bad idea.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I still can't believe the utter stupidity. I mean, real and complete lack of any thought whatsoever.

msrock · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I'm not ignorant to it at all.

I just think calling and associating these misters "showers" is ignorant and looking to be offended.
I agree. Much ado about nothing.

It's just another thing to be offended about. OMG. What can people do? What can't people do? It's a mystery to me... what's going to be offensive or thoughtless tomorrow. Who knew? Misters were bad?

Now if you want to be offended by Donald Trump... have at it! He's offensive in an awesome way. biggrin

msrock · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
I still can't believe the utter stupidity. I mean, real and complete lack of any thought whatsoever.

I say let them pass out then. Only problem is then this concentration camp would be on the hook for that. Fans and canopies aren't half as effective as misters. Trust me.

It's a no win apparently.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, the Israeli visitors disagree with you both. And their opinion about it matters much more.

Not really.

It's opinions.

Opinions are like butts.

Everybody has one.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, the Israeli visitors disagree with you both. And their opinion about it matters much more.

No, they really don't. The lessons of the Holocaust are NOT just for Jews or people from Israel. They are for the entirety of mankind.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I would think that most of the visitors there wouldn't even think a thing about it. I wouldn't have. There are a few people complaining. I understand. It's was an unfortunate choice. What to they want them to do now?
Take them down and come up with a better plan for next time, I would think. And perhaps apologize for their thoughtlessness.

I think you are wrong O4. I would absolutely think its a bad idea as a visitor on a hot day, and I am Catholic. Having grown up with friends parents/ grandparents and neighbors who were at those camps, the last thing I would expect as a "visitor convenience" is a shower. That is just an awful thought on those who approved it. Sure provide shade and water, but not in the form of a shower.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

msrock wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I still can't believe the utter stupidity. I mean, real and complete lack of any thought whatsoever.
I say let them pass out then. Only problem is then this concentration camp would be on the hook for that. Fans and canopies aren't half as effective as misters. Trust me.
It's a no win apparently.

We're not talking desert conditions - it was in the 90s. SHADE and water would have been fine.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I would think that most of the visitors there wouldn't even think a thing about it. I wouldn't have. There are a few people complaining. I understand. It's was an unfortunate choice. What to they want them to do now?
Take them down and come up with a better plan for next time, I would think. And perhaps apologize for their thoughtlessness.
I think you are wrong O4. I would absolutely think its a bad idea as a visitor on a hot day, and I am Catholic. Having grown up with friends parents/ grandparents and neighbors who were at those camps, the last thing I would expect as a "visitor convenience" is a shower. That is just an awful thought on those who approved it. Sure provide shade and water, but not in the form of a shower.

People have become too far removed. They just don't get it.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, the Israeli visitors disagree with you both. And their opinion about it matters much more.

This is not about someone getting over a purse snatching or such. This is about a whole demographic nearly wiped out by being forced into a "shower". Anyone telling them to get over it, IMO is a jerk and insensitive. Flame suit on.

-- Edited by I know what to do_sometimes on Wednesday 2nd of September 2015 07:58:09 PM