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Q. Sisterly Discord: For most of my life, my sister “Crystal” and I have never had a good relationship. For as long as I can remember, she’s always been horrible to me, criticizing everything from my choice in movies and music to how I act in public. Her attitude is actually a joke between some friends and me. My family has acknowledged her behavior toward me, but their way to keep the peace is to tell me that since I’m the oldest, I need to be mature and ignore it. For the last several years, I’ve lived far enough away that going home during the holidays was a financial burden. However, I recently moved closer, and now the pressure is on to come home for the holidays. Prudie, I’m in my 30s and have discovered my best holidays have been spent with friends, food, beer, and bad horror movies. It’s not that I don’t want to go home; it’s just my desire not to deal with Crystal outweighs my desire to see my family. Last Christmas saw me emptying my brother’s liquor cabinet. What’s a nice way to tell my mom I’m not coming home for Christmas?

A: Your parents held your childhood hostage to the terrible conduct of your younger sister. It doesn’t matter that you were older—there needed to be rules in place about how people behaved toward each other in your family. Perhaps your sister has some kind of personality disorder—these can be intractable and resistant to treatment. But it doesn’t sound as if your parents even tried to figure this out; they just allowed her to express her obsessive jealousy and disdain. Revealingly, she never grew out of it, so you’ve been expected to suck it up on holidays and subject yourself to her shredding—even if you recognize the ridiculousness of the source. Sure, your parents are torn between their daughters, but shame on them for putting the burden on you. You tell your mother that holidays are supposed to be joyful events, and all the joy is stomped out for you because you’re expected to be treated by your sister in a way you would never allow anyone else to treat you. Tell your mother that since you now live closer, you will be seeing her when your sister is not there. So you can visit with your family on less fraught holidays—enjoy your tension-free Arbor Day visit.

Q. Re: Sisterly Discord: That letter could have been written by me 20 years ago. The only thing that has changed in that time is how I deal with both her and my parents. I don’t let my sister’s behavior affect me. My wise therapist told me that I should see her as fishing for a reaction, but that smart fish don’t rise to the bait. She acts up, I walk away. She insults me, I don’t react. She can’t control me or my reactions, and slowly but surely she has backed away from trying. It is difficult, and it is painful to be in the crosshairs of a family member, but I have come away feeling better about myself and having a bit of pity for her. Good luck!

A: What a wise therapist, and how good you had someone to guide you through this awful situation. Indeed, this shows the wisdom of not responding to such people. It’s right you can’t set out to change such a sister, but you can change your response to her. And when there is no reward for awful behavior, such people often do back down. However, I also think it’s perfectly appropriate to come to a point in one’s life where the long, difficult retraining of a vicious family member is just not something you want to undertake on your holiday. Telling your parents you’ll see them later and having fun with friends—as the original letter writer does on the holidays—is also a healthy way to deal.

 



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Wow. Part of the problem is that she has put up with it so long that sis thinks it is ok. She needed to stand up for herself a long damn time ago.

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It doesn't say how old they are--but I am highly doubtful of changing an ingrained pattern of behavior at this point.

If it is once or twice a year, and mom is 85, I might put up with it to make my mother happy in her last years.

If mom is only in her late 50's, though, that would be a tougher proposition since she would be likely to live another 20 or 30 years pretty easy.

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It doesn't say how old they are--but I am highly doubtful of changing an ingrained pattern of behavior at this point.

If it is once or twice a year, and mom is 85, I might put up with it to make my mother happy in her last years.

If mom is only in her late 50's, though, that would be a tougher proposition since she would be likely to live another 20 or 30 years pretty easy.


 If mom has continued to allow this to go on and do nothing about it, making her happy would not be my priority.



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If she had the support of her other family members when the sister started in, LW would feel a whole better about the situation and probably not dread the holidays. I have a sister similar to this one. I can ignore her or laugh her off but it sure would go a lot further if other family members would speak up.

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LW says she is in her 30s.

So the way she has allowed her sister to treat her since she turned, oh 18-20 till now is her own fault.

Not her mom's or anyone elses.

She is in her 30s. So sis is most likely in her 20s.

Tell sis to shut the heck up.

Get a back bone.

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If this was your sibling, what would you say to her NOW?



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Stab her.

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Stab her.


I was thinking, maybe Taze her every time she said something insulting. That would be more fun than stabbing her, because it could be done over and over. 



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I think I would say something a long the lines, "I understand that you do not agree with me on any level, but you don't have to be such a bitch about it."

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And if her behavior did not let up and I continued to receive absolutely no back-up, I would spend the holidays with beer & friends and bad videos.

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huskerbb wrote:

It doesn't say how old they are--but I am highly doubtful of changing an ingrained pattern of behavior at this point.

If it is once or twice a year, and mom is 85, I might put up with it to make my mother happy in her last years.

If mom is only in her late 50's, though, that would be a tougher proposition since she would be likely to live another 20 or 30 years pretty easy.


 If mom has continued to allow this to go on and do nothing about it, making her happy would not be my priority.


 I get your point.  I just think the time to try to change the pattern is probably long past.



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It doesn't say how old they are--but I am highly doubtful of changing an ingrained pattern of behavior at this point.

If it is once or twice a year, and mom is 85, I might put up with it to make my mother happy in her last years.

If mom is only in her late 50's, though, that would be a tougher proposition since she would be likely to live another 20 or 30 years pretty easy.


 If mom has continued to allow this to go on and do nothing about it, making her happy would not be my priority.


 I get your point.  I just think the time to try to change the pattern is probably long past.


The old saying "You can't teach an old dog new tricks" is WRONG. 

Big sister CAN retrain little sister. First, she has to change her own behavior.

 



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Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

It doesn't say how old they are--but I am highly doubtful of changing an ingrained pattern of behavior at this point.

If it is once or twice a year, and mom is 85, I might put up with it to make my mother happy in her last years.

If mom is only in her late 50's, though, that would be a tougher proposition since she would be likely to live another 20 or 30 years pretty easy.


 If mom has continued to allow this to go on and do nothing about it, making her happy would not be my priority.


 I get your point.  I just think the time to try to change the pattern is probably long past.


The old saying "You can't teach an old dog new tricks" is WRONG. 

Big sister CAN retrain little sister. First, she has to change her own behavior.

 


 Even if true, it took YEARS to get this way, does she really want to invest that much effort if it's only once or twice a year?



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LW says she is in her 30s.

So the way she has allowed her sister to treat her since she turned, oh 18-20 till now is her own fault.

Not her mom's or anyone elses.

She is in her 30s. So sis is most likely in her 20s.

Tell sis to shut the heck up.

Get a back bone.


That's a good point.  If you are a 18 and your life is a mess, blame your parents.  If you are 35, then its' on you. 



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ed11563 wrote:

If this was your sibling, what would you say to her NOW?


 Are you asking me?

I had to stand up for myself to my younger brother. He wanted to throw my past in my face every chance he got. BUT some how I was always the perfect one to dump his kids on. 

So I told him off. I stood up to him. 

Told him when he was perfect, I'd welcome his criticism. Until then, he could stop talking to and about me like I was trash and be respectful or he could find another to take care of him and his kids.

And then I followed through. 

Took a few times before he got it. But he finally did.



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huskerbb wrote:
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Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

It doesn't say how old they are--but I am highly doubtful of changing an ingrained pattern of behavior at this point.

If it is once or twice a year, and mom is 85, I might put up with it to make my mother happy in her last years.

If mom is only in her late 50's, though, that would be a tougher proposition since she would be likely to live another 20 or 30 years pretty easy.


 If mom has continued to allow this to go on and do nothing about it, making her happy would not be my priority.


 I get your point.  I just think the time to try to change the pattern is probably long past.


The old saying "You can't teach an old dog new tricks" is WRONG. 

Big sister CAN retrain little sister. First, she has to change her own behavior.

 


 Even if true, it took YEARS to get this way, does she really want to invest that much effort if it's only once or twice a year?


Yes



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ed11563 wrote:
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huskerbb wrote:

It doesn't say how old they are--but I am highly doubtful of changing an ingrained pattern of behavior at this point.

If it is once or twice a year, and mom is 85, I might put up with it to make my mother happy in her last years.

If mom is only in her late 50's, though, that would be a tougher proposition since she would be likely to live another 20 or 30 years pretty easy.


 If mom has continued to allow this to go on and do nothing about it, making her happy would not be my priority.


 I get your point.  I just think the time to try to change the pattern is probably long past.


The old saying "You can't teach an old dog new tricks" is WRONG. 

Big sister CAN retrain little sister. First, she has to change her own behavior.

 


 Even if true, it took YEARS to get this way, does she really want to invest that much effort if it's only once or twice a year?


Yes


 Why?



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Because it bothers her and is affecting her relationships with her entire family. It needs to stop. I'm think a left cross to the jaw might be necessary.

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Because it bothers her and is affecting her relationships with her entire family. It needs to stop. I'm think a left cross to the jaw might be necessary.


 This is what I was thinking.  Being nice went out the window long ago in this situation.  Time to get her attention.



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"Last Christmas saw me emptying my brother’s liquor cabinet."

Sorry, but this sounds like a lot of self imposed melodrama.

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 Even if true, it took YEARS to get this way, does she really want to invest that much effort if it's only once or twice a year?


Yes


 Why?


Assert herself and claim her rightful self respect.

 

I'd recommend the use of a rolled up newspaper to whack her on the head when appropriate. Or maybe on the butt.

 

 

 



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Because it bothers her and is affecting her relationships with her entire family. It needs to stop. I'm think a left cross to the jaw might be necessary.


Just as it took YEARS to ingrain this pattern, it will take YEARS to undo it.  Years of drama she can't get back. 

 

Sure, she can "stand up" for herself--but doing that one time, or ten times, or a hundred times--won't change it.  She'll still hate being around her sister.  She'll have the same basic problem she has now. 

 

Sometimes, it's just not worth it.   



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"Last Christmas saw me emptying my brother’s liquor cabinet."

Sorry, but this sounds like a lot of self imposed melodrama.


 She was making a point about the only way she could tolerate the situation was to distract herself.  Don't read all booze points as "I am an alcholic" " or Meladramatic"



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huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

Because it bothers her and is affecting her relationships with her entire family. It needs to stop. I'm think a left cross to the jaw might be necessary.


Just as it took YEARS to ingrain this pattern, it will take YEARS to undo it.  Years of drama she can't get back. 

 

Sure, she can "stand up" for herself--but doing that one time, or ten times, or a hundred times--won't change it.  She'll still hate being around her sister.  She'll have the same basic problem she has now. 

 

Sometimes, it's just not worth it.   


 That's not necessarily true. Her sister is used to her just being a doormat, there is a very good possibility that if she stands up for herself, loudly and in front of others, her sister will be startled and shamed into submission. 

But yea, if that doesn't work, and for her parents wont stand up for her, then it is just not worth it. 



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"Last Christmas saw me emptying my brother’s liquor cabinet."

Sorry, but this sounds like a lot of self imposed melodrama.


 She was making a point about the only way she could tolerate the situation was to distract herself.  Don't read all booze points as "I am an alcholic" " or Meladramatic"


 I'm sorry, but if a person needs booze to distract themselves, then yeah, they are one or the other.

 



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lilyofcourse wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

"Last Christmas saw me emptying my brother’s liquor cabinet."

Sorry, but this sounds like a lot of self imposed melodrama.


 She was making a point about the only way she could tolerate the situation was to distract herself.  Don't read all booze points as "I am an alcholic" " or Meladramatic"


 I'm sorry, but if a person needs booze to distract themselves, then yeah, they are one or the other.

 


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You have to give people permission to get under your skin. If you don't give a schit about what she says or does, then what is the problem? If she acts up at dinner, you just laugh and say "oh FSS".

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