TOTALLY GEEKED!

It's a distraction! LOL! What an excuse!


Create jobs with renewable energy - you mean like the Solyndria debacle? She should have learned from Obama's mistakes.

My main concern about the pipeline is that parts of it pass over the Ogallala Aquifer, the largest underground aquifer in the world, in the breadbasket of the U.S.A..

The aquifer can never be replaced and it can never be cleaned up after a major spill.

The news has been stifled by spills that have already occurred, so I don't have much confidence in the "science" or the left wing reporting on spills.

But, her reasoning is silly. Back it up or go home.

The spills are happening when people don't follow guidelines. BP falsified documents and cut corners. They were warned over and over again about the possibility of things happening. BP wasn't a surprise to people in the industry. Most of the spills in the industry are preventable. Most of the deaths are preventable. Usually someone is doing something wrong or not doing what they should. The pipeline can bring Americans jobs. MANY jobs. And when the quote the numbers of jobs that the pipeline brings it's very one sided.

Here's the deal. Behind all the workers on the pipeline are the support people. For every one person who is actively working on the pipeline there's probably about a hundred working behind the scenes to get them to that point. When the BP spill happened and they had to shut down LA went dead. There are places that ship food to the people on the platforms. And others take waste away. And still others transport workers. And then there are families who relocate so they can be closer to the person working. All the supplies have to be shipped in so if you don't need supplies you can shut down those industries as well. It's like throwing a pebble into a pond and watching the ripple effect.

"The announcement was viewed with disappointment in Canada, where Prime Minister Stephen Harper has said as recently as last month that he was confident the next U.S. president would approve the project."

Wrong. It's being viewed with disappointment by Harper, the rabid anti-environmentalist. We're in the middle of an election. If the Liberals or NDP win, and it's looking more and more likely, they'll put a stop to the pipeline.

For someone who keeps yammering on about how detrimental GMOs are to the environment, you seem to have no problem with this pipeline and its filthy heavy crude, so thick that they need to use toxic thinning agents, which eat away at the pipelines. Whether it's Enbridge or Keystone, it's nothing but spill after spill after spill.

 

 

 

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Fine. I agree with Hillary. The pipeline is a Very Bad idea, viewed with favour only by Harper. There's an excellent chance that the whole thing will be scrapped soon, anyway.
Better?

Ohfour, I just burst out laughing!

Well, of course, if they are going to do it, they should do it right. Which, I guess, considering the idiocy of government, I can understand your concern.

But, two points - transporting the oil by rail is not really much safer as accidents regarding those are increasing, and most importantly - I try not to ingest oil or feed it to my kids. And as far as I'm aware - the food industry is not trying to secretly feed us oil. However, considering their secrecy and refusal at transparency, it really wouldn't suprise me.

Try to keep the arguments on topic, please.

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Fine. I agree with Hillary. The pipeline is a Very Bad idea, viewed with favour only by Harper. There's an excellent chance that the whole thing will be scrapped soon, anyway.
Better?

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 Wanna see my shocked face?

Thank the Good Lord you don't get a vote...

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Right back atcha! I'm glad you can't vote here. 

Yeah, Canadian politics do not interest me at all. Never even crossed my mind that I would want a vote in Canada.

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And I'm a proud Canadian, who will NOT be voting for Harper in less than a month. Trudeau and Mulcair will put an end to the pipeline.

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Never heard of them....*shrug* 

Because as she stated her concern is in the USA not Canada.

I don't really know much about the Canadian government, but haven't they already approved it? Are your Prime Ministers like Kings - they can just undo what the government has approved?

Alright Weltz - without Googling, who is the leader of the following:

Ghana
Panama
Peru
Norway

And Moldova...

Winner gets a star sticker on the forehead!

And...

Chad

Slovenia

Suriname

Swaziland

Tonga

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If I'm going to pay attention to the leaders of foriegn countries and how their governments run - it's going to be because they are relevant to what is happening in the world.

I'm not going to know the details of Canada any more than I would Switzerland b/c really, what difference does it make?

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 You incorporated a Hillary quote!  HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Oh, for heaven's sake! When you live next to your biggest trading partner, when their policies affect your policies, it behooves you to know just a little something about that country.

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If I'm going to pay attention to the leaders of foriegn countries and how their governments run - it's going to be because they are relevant to what is happening in the world.

I'm not going to know the details of Canada any more than I would Switzerland b/c really, what difference does it make?

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 You incorporated a Hillary quote!  HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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 I wondered if anyone would catch that!  Hah!

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If I'm going to pay attention to the leaders of foriegn countries and how their governments run - it's going to be because they are relevant to what is happening in the world.

I'm not going to know the details of Canada any more than I would Switzerland b/c really, what difference does it make?

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What difference does it make? By all means, feel free to expound on Keystone, weighing and debating the pros and cons, while not knowing the whole thing may come to a screeching halt in the very near future. 

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 Well, I did ask you, but you don't seem inclined to help educate - only criticize. 

 

But you are right - I SHOULD know more about Canada.  I've been to Canada, though - which I doubt is true for the majority of Americans.

You should also know more about their favorite store, Roots. Did you know Roots outfits the Olympic team? They got that coffee chain all love. Tim Hortons.

Get with it, LL! They are your neighbor!

Canada is home of my favorite TV show.

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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If I'm going to pay attention to the leaders of foriegn countries and how their governments run - it's going to be because they are relevant to what is happening in the world.

I'm not going to know the details of Canada any more than I would Switzerland b/c really, what difference does it make?

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What difference does it make? By all means, feel free to expound on Keystone, weighing and debating the pros and cons, while not knowing the whole thing may come to a screeching halt in the very near future. 

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 Well, I did ask you, but you don't seem inclined to help educate - only criticize. 

 

But you are right - I SHOULD know more about Canada.  I've been to Canada, though - which I doubt is true for the majority of Americans.

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I've been to Canada!!!!!  G goes 5 or 6 times a year.  And my friends that stayed with me last week?  Canadian....I actually have quite a few Canadian friends... 

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Oh, and Trudy - I do know who the leader of Swaziland is. King Mswati III (sp?). That is, if he hasn't died recently. Probably not - he's young. I wonder how many wives he has now?

Swaziland is an INTERESTLY country to say the least.

Of course, I only know all of this because of a documentary I watched.

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I'm going to a presentation on Borneo tonight. 

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Whoa, whoa and you don't spend your time hashing out politics with these friends? Do they sneak down Canadian beer?

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They bring Walleye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We actually get along REALLY well.  She cried this morning when she left.  We are like sisters, and I've only known her a few months.   She's a liberal atheist.  We have looonngggg interesting discussions. 

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I don't really know much about the Canadian government, but haven't they already approved it? Are your Prime Ministers like Kings - they can just undo what the government has approved?

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Can yours? Can a new POTUS undo the ACA? They're saying they're going to do it. 

So yes, an NDP or Liberal government can undo the Keystone mess.

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 No, a new President can't undo a law alone.  But, when you have a Congress controlled by the same party as the President  - that would be possible.  Our president has the right to veto or sign into law a bill passed by Congress.  He doesn't have the unilateral power to undo a law.  But, the House has passed a bill to repeal Obamacare several (ok - more than several) times now.  So, if we get a President who wants it repealed, chances are pretty high it will be.

 

So, now that I have disabused you of how you think our government works, please explain how your Prime Minister can unilaterally undo acts of your government?

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Not unilaterally and not if it's a minority government, but of course it can be done.