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According to crime statistics from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), knives are consistently used to kill people far more often than rifles are used. And the numbers aren’t even close: five times as many murders were committed with knives than were committed with rifles last year.

The FBI statistics show that knives have been used as a murder weapon far more often than rifles — even those evil “assault weapons” we hear so much about — for quite a while. In 2013, knives or other cutting instruments were used to kill 1,490 victims. In contrast, rifles were the cause of death of 285 murder victims. Shotguns were used in 308 murders. In 2009, the ratio was very similar: knives were used in five times as many murders as rifles.

FBI Murder Victims 2013

The 2013 numbers are even more interesting when you compare them to data from 2003, the last year in which the 1994 federal “assault weapon” ban was in effect. In 2003, 390 people were murdered with a rifle. That’s right. The number of rifle murders is 27 percent lower today — ten years after the expiration of the “assault weapon” ban — than it was in 2003, the last year “assault weapons” were banned by the federal government.

“But what about handgun murders?” you might ask. “They’re responsible for the majority of gun murders, so why don’t we just ban them and stop worrying about rifles?”

Easy: because gun bans and strict gun control don’t really prevent gun violence. Take, for example, Illinois and California. In 2013, there were 5,782 murders by handgun in the U.S. According to FBI data, 20 percent of those — 1,157 of the 5,782 handgun murders — happened in Illinois and California, which have two of the toughest state gun control regimes in the entire country. And even though California and Illinois contain about 16 percent of the nation’s population, those two states are responsible for over 20 percent of the nation’s handgun murders.

Chicago is a perfect example of the total failure of gun controllers to prevent gun violence.Until recently, the city basically banned any and all transfers or sales of handguns. It was virtually impossible to get a concealed carry permit. Did that do anything to stem the tide of gun-related bloodshed? Of course not. Chicago was the murder capital of the U.S. in 2012.

In 2013, however, Chicago’s murder rate fell to its lowest level in 48 years. What could have possibly led to such a drastic change? Thismight help explain it.

Gun owners in the nation’s third-largest city will no longer have to register their firearms with the local authorities, ending a policy that has helped the police track guns here for decades.

Chicago’s City Council voted to make the change on Wednesday, modifying the municipal code to comply with a new state law that will make Illinois the last in the nation to allow people to carry concealed weapons in public. While the city’s strict bans on assault weapons and gun dealers remain, the loss of control over its own registry, in effect since 1968, was another setback for gun control proponents — this time in President Obama’s hometown, in a state run by Democrats.

The 2013 law passed by the Chicago city council didn’t just kill the city’s gun registry. More important, it also removed a ban on gun possession outside the home, a much-needed change that finally gave law-abiding citizens the ability to protect themselves throughout the city. And earlier that year, the state legislature in Illinois finally passed a lawallowing lawful citizens to carry concealed weapons to protect themselves.

Meanwhile, new polling data from Gallupsuggests that the American public increasingly believes that guns are necessary to keep Americans and their homes safe from criminals. Over the past 15 years or so, Americans have become more and more supportive of basic gun rights:

Gallup Guns Home Safer

While Gallup figures on U.S. gun ownership have not shifted much since 2006, the percentage of Americans who say that having a gun in the home makes that household safer has drastically climbed over the past eight years.

Americans own guns for a wide array of reasons, but the increase in the perceived safety value of owning them suggests that guns are taking on more of a protective role than they have in the past.

Baseless gun control laws don’t keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Instead, those laws keep lawful, innocent Americans from being able to protect themselves from the very same criminals who regularly violate the nation’s gun laws. Thankfully, that’s a fact that more and more Americans understand.



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Well it is the knives fault after all!

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Look at the numbers.

Riffles kill far less than knives.



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"Baseless gun control laws don’t keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Instead, those laws keep lawful, innocent Americans from being able to protect themselves from the very same criminals who regularly violate the nation’s gun laws. Thankfully, that’s a fact that more and more Americans understand."


This is my favorite paragraph. Luckily more and more Americans are learning that we'll have to protect ourselves because no one else will.

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Bullspit. All guns combined killed more people than knives.


The post uses data selectively, ignoring the significant role handguns play in gun violence.

Fine. You support killing living breathing people with guns.





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Bullspit. All guns combined killed more people than knives.


The post uses data selectively, ignoring the significant role handguns play in gun violence.

Fine. You support killing living breathing people with guns.




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Bullspit. All guns combined killed more people than knives.


The post uses data selectively, ignoring the significant role handguns play in gun violence.

Fine. You support killing living breathing people with guns.




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So it's ok for YOU to decide killing is legitamate?

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Bullspit. All guns combined killed more people than knives.


The post uses data selectively, ignoring the significant role handguns play in gun violence.

Fine. You support killing living breathing people with guns.




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So it's ok for YOU to decide killing is legitimate?


What's your point?

 

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So it's ok for YOU to decide killing is legitamate?


Yep.  If my or my family's life is at stake, I will absolutely kill.  And have not qualms about it... 



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All women should be able to determine what a threat to their well being is then and take appropriate action.

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All women should be able to determine what a threat to their well being is then and take appropriate action.


 Like killing their babies?



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Exactly! You understand nuance! Good job.

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Sure because a baby is a threat to their life. This comment definitely deserves a big LOL. You make me laugh!

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MyNameIsJoe wrote:

Bullspit. All guns combined killed more people than knives.


The post uses data selectively, ignoring the significant role handguns play in gun violence.

Fine. You support killing living breathing people with guns.




 You don't seem to understand what you read. If you read it.

 



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Not only did I read it, I verified it. You are right. Rifles kil fewer people than knives.

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You support killing people with rifles is ok because knives are used too. So what?

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Unfortunately there are no gun verses in the bible. We just have to assume that god would want you to have guns.

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The only time killing with a rifle (or any gun, knife, car, or whatever) is ok is when it's used in war or self defense. Not sure why you don't understand that.



-- Edited by Tinydancer on Thursday 8th of October 2015 10:18:37 AM

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The only time killing with a rifle (or any gun, knife, car, or whatever) is ok is when it's used in war or self defense. Not sure why you don't understand that.



-- Edited by Tinydancer on Thursday 8th of October 2015 10:18:37 AM


 That isn't biblical.  Sit down.  Next?



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What does that article on rifles have to do with the Bible? Stand up and walk away. Next!

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You are right. There are no gun verses in the Bible.

HUGE reason for that is because GUN WERE NOT INVENTED YET.

But there are PLENTY of verses about swords and arrows and other forms of weaponry.

Again. Your ignorance is showing.

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Ummm, considering the arguments for the separation of church and state, I have no idea what on earth our Constitutional right to bear arms has to do with the Bible. Our right to bear arms is not only about having the right to protect ourselves from criminals, but even more so to prevent our government from becoming too tyrannical. And if you really think that is not a valid worry, you don't pay much attention to the news in the country or any other.

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Oh, the same constitution that protects a woman's right to choose? Agenda certainly influences context and comprehension.

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Oh, the same constitution that protects a woman's right to choose? Agenda certainly influences context and comprehension.


I'm sorry...can you please cite the right to abortion mentioned in the Constitution?  I'm must have missed that....



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Oh, the same constitution that protects a woman's right to choose? Agenda certainly influences context and comprehension.


 Show me where the Constitution says "Women shall have the right to abortions at their whim".  Also - the Constitutional support for abortion is not about the abortion itself - it is about PRIVACY.  Go read Roe vs. Wade - it is CLEAR.



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Laughable. The 14th ammendment clearly gives women the right to kill fetuses. Can you tell me where it says abortion is illegal? You can't. Abortion is just as much of a right as owning a gun. You lose counselor.

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Laughable. The 14th ammendment clearly gives women the right to kill fetuses. Can you tell me where it says abortion is illegal? You can't. Abortion is just as much of a right as owning a gun. You lose counselor.


 Pretty clear to us that killing babies is alright with you. 



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Laughable. The 14th ammendment clearly gives women the right to kill fetuses. Can you tell me where it says abortion is illegal? You can't. Abortion is just as much of a right as owning a gun. You lose counselor.


Nope.  Wrong again.  



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In Roe v. Wade,557 the Court established a right of personal privacy protected by the due process clause that includes the right of a woman to determine whether or not to bear a child. In doing so, the Court dramatically increased judicial oversight of legislation under the privacy line of cases, striking down aspects of abortion-related laws in practically all the States, the District of Columbia, and the territories. To reach this result, the Court first undertook a lengthy historical review of medical and legal views regarding abortion, finding that modern prohibitions on abortion were of relatively recent vintage and thus lacked the historical foundation which might have preserved them from constitutional review.558 Then, the Court established that the word "person" as used in the due process clause and in other provisions of the Constitution did not include the unborn, and therefore the unborn lacked federal constitutional protection.559 Finally, the Court summarily announced that the "Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action" includes "a right of personal privacy, or a guarantee of certain areas or zones of privacy"560 and that "[t]his right of privacy . . . is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy."561

557 410 U.S. 113164 (1973). A companion case was Doe v. Bolton, 410 U.S. 179 (1973). The opinion by Justice Blackman was concurred in by Justices Douglas, Brennan, Stewart, Marshall, and Powell, and Chief Justice Burger. Justices White and Rehnquist dissented, id. at 171, 221, arguing that the Court should follow the traditional due process test of determining whether a law has a rational relation to a valid state objective and that so judged the statute was valid. Justice Rehnquist was willing to consider an absolute ban on abortions even when the mother's life is in jeopardy to be a denial of due process, 410 U.S. at 173, while Justice White left the issue open. 410 U.S. at 223.



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Oh, we have some people here who fancy themselves smarter than supreme court justices. That is blathering nonsense. Woman, you are clearly not smart. Not smarter than me and not smarter than the highest court in America.

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Oh, we have some people here who fancy themselves smarter than supreme court justices. That is blathering nonsense. Woman, you are clearly not smart. Not smarter than me and not smarter than the highest court in America.


And you would be wrong again... 



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All I see is someone who thinks he's smarter than God. Good luck with that boy.

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Laughable. The 14th ammendment clearly gives women the right to kill fetuses. Can you tell me where it says abortion is illegal? You can't. Abortion is just as much of a right as owning a gun. You lose counselor.


 OH my.  This should be good.  Please tell me what part of this amendment does that? 

 

Amendment XIV

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5.

The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

 

 



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In Roe v. Wade,557 the Court established a right of personal privacy protected by the due process clause that includes the right of a woman to determine whether or not to bear a child. In doing so, the Court dramatically increased judicial oversight of legislation under the privacy line of cases, striking down aspects of abortion-related laws in practically all the States, the District of Columbia, and the territories. To reach this result, the Court first undertook a lengthy historical review of medical and legal views regarding abortion, finding that modern prohibitions on abortion were of relatively recent vintage and thus lacked the historical foundation which might have preserved them from constitutional review.558 Then, the Court established that the word "person" as used in the due process clause and in other provisions of the Constitution did not include the unborn, and therefore the unborn lacked federal constitutional protection.559 Finally, the Court summarily announced that the "Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action" includes "a right of personal privacy, or a guarantee of certain areas or zones of privacy"560 and that "[t]his right of privacy . . . is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy."561

557 410 U.S. 113164 (1973). A companion case was Doe v. Bolton, 410 U.S. 179 (1973). The opinion by Justice Blackman was concurred in by Justices Douglas, Brennan, Stewart, Marshall, and Powell, and Chief Justice Burger. Justices White and Rehnquist dissented, id. at 171, 221, arguing that the Court should follow the traditional due process test of determining whether a law has a rational relation to a valid state objective and that so judged the statute was valid. Justice Rehnquist was willing to consider an absolute ban on abortions even when the mother's life is in jeopardy to be a denial of due process, 410 U.S. at 173, while Justice White left the issue open. 410 U.S. at 223.


 Pretty much EXACTLY what I said.  Thank you.



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Laughable. The 14th ammendment clearly gives women the right to kill fetuses. Can you tell me where it says abortion is illegal? You can't. Abortion is just as much of a right as owning a gun. You lose counselor.


 OH my.  This should be good.  Please tell me what part of this amendment does that? 

 

Amendment XIV

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All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5.

The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

 

 


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Are you suggesting the 14th amendment isn't protecting abortion?

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As do you. It's called having an opinion.

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As do you. It's called having an opinion.





Yes, but not all opinions have equal validity and truth. Some opinions are better than others.

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Interesting.

So if it becomes legal then it becomes morally ok?

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Interesting.

So if it becomes legal then it becomes morally ok?


 Killing in self defense is still killing which is immoral.  Very few things are black or white.  That's a very thin argument.   



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Interesting.

So if it becomes legal then it becomes morally ok?


 Killing in self defense is still killing which is immoral.  Very few things are black or white.  That's a very thin argument.   


 You are avoiding the question. 



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Simply becoming legal doesn't make something moral.

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Simply becoming legal doesn't make something moral.


Exactly.  Abortion for one... 



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Simply becoming legal doesn't make something moral.


 So abortion is wrong even though it is legal?



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Are you suggesting the 14th amendment isn't protecting abortion?


Any type of reliance on the 14th amendment to protect abortion is going to need the Court to say and rationalize why it applies to abortion, because it does not say that.  And to do so, it's going to take a whole lot of legal rambling.  Abortion was ILLEGAL when the Constitution was written, so it pretty much was not intended to protect a woman's "right" to abortion.  Roe vs. Wade was about a woman's RIGHT TO PRIVACY in her medical care - it does not say there is a Constitutional right to abortion. 

 

Whereas, the 2nd amendment is pretty damn clear and unequivacal, not leaving any room for doubt or interpretation -

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.



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