TOTALLY GEEKED!

Right. Nothing is Obama's fault, even in 6+ yrs. Blame Bush.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Right. Nothing is Obama's fault, even in 6+ yrs. Blame Bush.

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heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! 

ed11563 wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Sorry, but Obama's policies either through purposeful lack of action or purposeful action has consequences for the world and the Nation. We see the consequences in the Middle East. We see 95 Million Americans umemployed. Obama hasn't done a damn thing except stroke his own doinky.

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 A local school district blaming state and federal mandates for their money troubles, is nothing new.

It's really about mismanagement.

 

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They were managing quite well until all of the extra Federal tax mandates cam through... 

ed11563 wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Sorry, but Obama's policies either through purposeful lack of action or purposeful action has consequences for the world and the Nation. We see the consequences in the Middle East. We see 95 Million Americans umemployed. Obama hasn't done a damn thing except stroke his own doinky.

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 A local school district blaming state and federal mandates for their money troubles, is nothing new.

It's really about mismanagement.

 

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 Unfunded mandates are impossible to account for and devastating when they occur.

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I said years ago, the purpose of the ACA was not to help people get insurance, but rather to bankrupt the states and make them dependent on the federal government.

Federal Mandates (including Obamacare ones) bankrupting local government agencies? Who could have possibly seen this coming?

I did.

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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I said years ago, the purpose of the ACA was not to help people get insurance, but rather to bankrupt the states and make them dependent on the federal government.

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So why is there only ONE school district in the country affected?

flan 

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 More than one have been affected, but other school district raise taxes to take care of it.  My school taxes have gone up by a couple of hundred dollars on each of my houses in the past 2 years.

huskerbb wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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I said years ago, the purpose of the ACA was not to help people get insurance, but rather to bankrupt the states and make them dependent on the federal government.

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So why is there only ONE school district in the country affected?

flan 

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 every school is affected.  Don't you pay property taxes?

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 Our schools are still open.

City and county.

flan

ed11563 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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I said years ago, the purpose of the ACA was not to help people get insurance, but rather to bankrupt the states and make them dependent on the federal government.

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So why is there only ONE school district in the country affected?

flan 

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 More than one have been affected, but other school district raise taxes to take care of it.  My school taxes have gone up by a couple of hundred dollars on each of my houses in the past 2 years.

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Their electric bills also go up, the cost of water and sewer services go up, teacher salaries go up, heating and cooling bills go up, never down. 

All our local area schools provide healthcare benefits. All the union contracts require it. If the ACA is requiring coverage for things that were not covered before, so what?

Saying that they're shutting down because of THIS mandate is politics, not reality.

 

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They budget for that.  The mandate is taking a HUGE chunk out of their budget all at once.   

Lawyerlady wrote:

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ed11563 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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I said years ago, the purpose of the ACA was not to help people get insurance, but rather to bankrupt the states and make them dependent on the federal government.

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So why is there only ONE school district in the country affected?

flan 

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 More than one have been affected, but other school district raise taxes to take care of it.  My school taxes have gone up by a couple of hundred dollars on each of my houses in the past 2 years.

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Their electric bills also go up, the cost of water and sewer services go up, teacher salaries go up, heating and cooling bills go up, never down. 

All our local area schools provide healthcare benefits. All the union contracts require it. If the ACA is requiring coverage for things that were not covered before, so what?

Saying that they're shutting down because of THIS mandate is politics, not reality.

 

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 I think they are better qualified to know what new mandates and costs put them in the red than you are.

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I've worked in cost accounting, and I've seen how organizations deal with less funding / revenue that they are spending.

First, always blame someone who can't defend themselves.

Then cut costs ...

Hospitals fire nurses and raise the workload of those who remain;

Schools fire teachers and increase the number of students in a classroom.

Manufacturers fire sales people.

Stores fire full-time sales people and replace them with lower paid part time people, who don't qualify for perks.

My county government borrows millions of dollars and calls that "revenue", then they sell off county assets, which gives them one-time revenues and higher long-term obligations.

(Selling the Sewer system to a company that will collect a lot more than they've paid for it over just a few years.)

(Sold the bus system to a private company that cut routes and raised fares.)

(Sold county owned buildings and land to cronies of the politicians, who then lease the buildings back to the county, recovering their "investment" in just a few years, then continuing to collect lease payments from the county forever.

 

Of course, blame Obama, since he won't be defending himself.

 

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Yes, yes, of course. Fire the teachers and just let the school run itself. Fire the bus drivers and make the kids walk to school. This isn't a private business - it's a SCHOOL. Where all children are entitled to the same education opportunities.

And hate to break it to you - but there are mandates in place about how many kids can be in a classroom per teacher. So, which mandates would you like them to ignore? The ones that actually hurt the kids education instead of your precious and stupid Obamacare?

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Reduce the number of administrators, $100,000 plus each. 

 

It has obviously been a long time since some have had to deal with school issues.

However, Ed, you actually said what is happening more often than not.

Reducing full time employees in favor of part time.

Part of the problem with ACA is the REQUIREMENT to provide insurance.

Use to, it wasnt everyone they had to provide for.

They could shop around, get the best rates. Rates that fit with their ability to pay.

Now, they don't have that. Why? Because when something is required, you pay what they say.

The insurance companies are not having to earn your business anymore. They are showing up at your proverbial door and taking what they want.

And this school district that was shut down is a small rural district.

Not a big district where funds can be shifted more easily.

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ed11563 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Yes, yes, of course. Fire the teachers and just let the school run itself. Fire the bus drivers and make the kids walk to school. This isn't a private business - it's a SCHOOL. Where all children are entitled to the same education opportunities.

And hate to break it to you - but there are mandates in place about how many kids can be in a classroom per teacher. So, which mandates would you like them to ignore? The ones that actually hurt the kids education instead of your precious and stupid Obamacare?

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Reduce the number of administrators, $100,000 plus each. 

 

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HAHAHAHAHA!   HAHAHAHAHA!  (grabbing my side) HAHAHAHAHA!

There is NO ONE in Clay County that makes 100K per year.  They have ONE school superintendent.   You wanna fire him????

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That's not quite true.  The Clay County school superindent makes $120K a year.  The national average for school superintendents is $160K and I know he makes about half what ours does.  I guess if you want some rumdumb instead of a qualitified individual - you could pay a whole lot less.

 

The Clerk of Superior Court in Clay County makes $125K, and the Board of Commissioners make $175K.

 

 This is the teacher pay scale in Clay county, TN - not exactly rolling in it!

 

CLAY COUNTY Salary Schedule for 2013-2014 Step BA MA MA+30 EdS Dr MA+45 1 30,876 34,291 36,050 37,525 40,785 2 31,446 34,430 36,640 38,105 41,370 3 31,446 34,430 36,640 38,105 41,370 4 31,475 34,975 37,215 38,725 42,060 5 32,080 35,690 37,955 39,510 42,940 6 32,750 36,465 38,775 40,340 43,830 7 34,066 37,906 39,815 41,440 45,030 8 34,315 38,265 40,655 42,330 45,985 9 35,320 39,400 41,850 43,595 47,385 10 36,065 40,245 42,750 44,540 48,410 11 36,220 40,430 42,945 44,720 48,590 12 37,461 41,776 43,875 45,680 49,625 13 37,461 41,776 44,040 45,875 49,835 14 37,950 42,385 44,995 46,855 50,905 15 38,125 42,590 45,180 47,045 51,090 16 38,940 43,500 46,140 48,060 52,190 17 38,940 43,500 46,140 48,060 52,190 18 39,590 44,260 46,945 48,910 53,130 19 39,590 44,260 46,945 48,910 53,130 20 40,255 45,025 47,770 49,775 54,105 21 40,255 45,025 47,770 49,775 54,105 MNB

 

 

 

Face it, ed.  You want to blame anything but the actual cause. 

 

The government over-stepping their boundaries and telling states and individuals what they have to have and pay for is what is ridiculous. I don't want to vote for any stupid Democrat because I swear none of them understands anything about money or economics. They think is just magically appears for everything they want to do with it.

I would like to see how these backing ACA and constantly singing its praises would react if there were another mandatory purchase required.

What if it became the law of the land that the second ammendment became a requirement?

Every person had to prove they had a gun or face a fine.

Or what if every person to purchase and maintain any other thing or service?

ACA is a violation of personal freedom.

And a huge drain on everyone.

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ed11563 wrote:

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The government over-stepping their boundaries and telling states and individuals what they have to have and pay for is what is ridiculous. I don't want to vote for any stupid Democrat because I swear none of them understands anything about money or economics. They think is just magically appears for everything they want to do with it.

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 You're describing my local Republican Party.

 

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Tell me, I'm genuinely interested, exactly what your local Republican Party has proposed that is a financially burdensome mandate that affects all employers.   I look forward to your answer... 

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<crickets chirping> 

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I would like to see how these backing ACA and constantly singing its praises would react if there were another mandatory purchase required.

What if it became the law of the land that the second ammendment became a requirement?

Every person had to prove they had a gun or face a fine.

Or what if every person to purchase and maintain any other thing or service?

ACA is a violation of personal freedom.

And a huge drain on everyone.

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 Like car insurance? 

Or license plates for our cars? Or stickers to renew those plates every year? Or maybe the emissions testing for the cars? 

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ed spends most evenings taking care of his wife, I'm guessing.


flan

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Huh?

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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I would like to see how these backing ACA and constantly singing its praises would react if there were another mandatory purchase required.

What if it became the law of the land that the second ammendment became a requirement?

Every person had to prove they had a gun or face a fine.

Or what if every person to purchase and maintain any other thing or service?

ACA is a violation of personal freedom.

And a huge drain on everyone.

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 Like car insurance? 

Or license plates for our cars? Or stickers to renew those plates every year? Or maybe the emissions testing for the cars? 

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You are not mandated to get car insurance or plates or stickers.  You are if you have a car, but you can choose not to have a car. I know lots of people without cars.  They don't have to pay those.  Emissions testing?  Do they still do that? 

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 Usually only in metro areas.

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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I would like to see how these backing ACA and constantly singing its praises would react if there were another mandatory purchase required.

What if it became the law of the land that the second ammendment became a requirement?

Every person had to prove they had a gun or face a fine.

Or what if every person to purchase and maintain any other thing or service?

ACA is a violation of personal freedom.

And a huge drain on everyone.

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 Like car insurance? 

Or license plates for our cars? Or stickers to renew those plates every year? Or maybe the emissions testing for the cars? 

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You are not mandated to get car insurance or plates or stickers.  You are if you have a car, but you can choose not to have a car. I know lots of people without cars.  They don't have to pay those.  Emissions testing?  Do they still do that? 

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 In Indiana, you absolutely ARE required to have insurance & license plates. I don't know anyone without a car (except for DH's DD, who lost her license).

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 But you are not required to have a car - that is the point. 

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Yes, I understand that. Unless you can walk to work, grocery, doctors, school, church, etc., you NEED transportation. Indy's bus service is very poor.

flan

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but it's not mandated.  That's the point.  You don't HAVE to have a car.  Lots of people don't have cars.  They are not forced to purchase one. 

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ed11563 wrote:

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The government over-stepping their boundaries and telling states and individuals what they have to have and pay for is what is ridiculous. I don't want to vote for any stupid Democrat because I swear none of them understands anything about money or economics. They think is just magically appears for everything they want to do with it.

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 You're describing my local Republican Party.

 

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Tell me, I'm genuinely interested, exactly what your local Republican Party has proposed that is a financially burdensome mandate that affects all employers.   I look forward to your answer... 

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<crickets chirping> 

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 I'll bump this since ed is back on now. 

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The burden in County government HERE is real estate taxes, which  are fueled by massive, pervasive graft and corruption.

Sales taxes here are 8.5%, 4% to New York State, and 4.5% to the county. The 4.5% used to be 2%.

 

 

 

ed11563 wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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ed11563 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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The government over-stepping their boundaries and telling states and individuals what they have to have and pay for is what is ridiculous. I don't want to vote for any stupid Democrat because I swear none of them understands anything about money or economics. They think is just magically appears for everything they want to do with it.

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 You're describing my local Republican Party.

 

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Tell me, I'm genuinely interested, exactly what your local Republican Party has proposed that is a financially burdensome mandate that affects all employers.   I look forward to your answer... 

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<crickets chirping> 

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 I'll bump this since ed is back on now. 

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The burden in County government HERE is real estate taxes, which  are fueled by massive, pervasive graft and corruption.

Sales taxes here are 8.5%, 4% to New York State, and 4.5% to the county. The 4.5% used to be 2%.

 

 

 

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And this has what to do with the Republican Party?